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mr_zebra
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:53 PM
i'm not a huge fan, but i have to admit - she is one of the very few today that could very well become one of the best players of all time.
I realize it's too early in her career to speculate, but barring injury, barring her father, barring her media blitz.
She has *the* best game on court right now, hands down.

tennislover
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:57 PM
yes i agree: right now she is the best....

tennis ace
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:45 PM
Ok people talk about how bad Venus game is to the point that any good player that can hit the ball across the court can beat her and then when she gets beat by Sharapova we get threads like this :confused: seems to me that Sharapova beating Venus should not be a big deal and yet she gets the win and you guys are ready to compare her to the best players of all time.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:49 PM
i'm not a huge fan, but i have to admit - she is one of the very few today that could very well become one of the best players of all time.
I realize it's too early in her career to speculate, but barring injury, barring her father, barring her media blitz.
She has *the* best game on court right now, hands down.

Of any of todays younger players, I'd have to give Maria the nod.

She has an excellent opportunity to become one of the best. However, until she's playing for her 20th + grand slam singles title (as I would say for any youngster), we'll have to wait about ten years to see how that culminates.

Consider that there aren't ANY teen American's in the top 100. When's the last time that happened????? Talk about weird. Why aren't younger American teens motivated today???

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:51 PM
Maria has won one major. Lets wait until she wins 10 more, before we talk about the best players ever.

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:52 PM
what makes you "one of the very best"?
winning each of the four slams in a career? bc then i think she has an excellent shot. 10 slams, 15 slams? then we're getting difficult.
it's too difficult to say, we're got a 17 year old on our hands. a lot can happen. she's certainly the best right now imo, and the only great player out there who will be playing several years down the line.

shap_half
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:52 PM
I don't think she has the best game of the current field.

I think Serena, Amelie, Kim, Lindsay, and Justine all have a better game that she has.

If Lindsay can double bagel her and Justine who hasn't played in 7 months stretch her all the way to a third set and save three MPs against her, her being best is suspect.

Lemonskin.
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:53 PM
Dasha Sharapova? Too young to tell yet :angel:

Ask Alexus Jones that :p

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:54 PM
Maria has done a good job of developing her game, up until this point.
It's never easy. To get near the top, or to stay there.

mr_zebra
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:55 PM
Amelie ??? wha ?
Hantuchova beats her.

virtue05
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:58 PM
I think Maria is going to win 4 or 5 slams, but I don't think she will be up in the double digits. She has the same problem that Venus and Serena have, they have to many outside interest. I also thik Yuri is pushing her a little to much right now. The kid may be 17 but she needs a break, she is going to be tired as heck torwards the end of the year.

I know it may seem that I don't like Maria sometimes, but I do. I just think to much preasure is being put on her to early. And a lot of it comes from her father if you ask me.

Angel_Mars
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:24 PM
Considering what Maria has accomplished at her age, she could be well on her way at being one of the best, barring injury and other problems........

"Topaz"
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:30 PM
That 60-60 against Davey still puzzles me, otherwise I would tend to give that a nod. So, let's wait a bit; actually let's wait till she's 20 or 21, ie, three years hence.

jonny84
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:45 PM
Sharapova has all it takes to be the best - she has already won Wimbledon at the age of just 17 and then the YEC.

She came close to the Australian Open title (losing with 3 MPs against Serena in the semifinal - she could have taken out Davenport).

She has :eek: 9 :eek: tour titles before turning 18 - a really impressive number.

She needs to work on clay more as that is where she has not WTA titled but her other surfaces are good and she seems unstoppable on grass.

She is one of the best at the monent and I would not be surprised if she won all four slams and Wimbledon more times again.

Bacardi
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:48 PM
2 Words:

HELL NO!

roarke
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:57 PM
Of course she can... She can be great.. She is surely making a good start.
She has to be careful though of injuries or apathy. If she is pushed too hard or remains at a high intensity level for too long without regular breaks she may face burn out. She needs to relax and take some timeoff and manage her schedule. Right now she is red hot.. and if you look at tennis players these days they tend to shine brightly for a while then their lights get dull and they need to take time to re-group. Some recover, some don't. Of the ones who recover some do it faster than others but they all seem to suffer that lapse where the body and or mind breaks down for a while. They haven't chosen an easy life.. all that wear an tear, logged travel time, and not really having a stable base for long affects them at some point even the most family nourished athlete.

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:57 PM
she hits the ball hard and thats bascially it........its impressive she has done this much honestly............i give it 2 more years of glory and then her predictable and boring game will be exposed for what it is!

*by the way i am extremly bitter about today's loss and i have to have a way to get out my frustration ;) :p

Angel_Mars
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:08 PM
she hits the ball hard and thats bascially it........its impressive she has done this much honestly............i give it 2 more years of glory and then her predictable and boring game will be exposed for what it is!

*by the way i am extremly bitter about today's loss and i have to have a way to get out my frustration ;) :p



Geez, there's a woman named Serena Williams that managed to win 7 slams by just hitting the ball hard and a woman named Venus Williams that won 4 that way.......... isn't it a bit premature to write off Maria? :devil:

.ivy.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:18 PM
I say that she's not even close.

Compared to the best players ever she's not even close. Sure, after she wins about 5 more Grand Slams we can start to consider that, but the girl's only been in one GS final. Big whoop. Look at Hingis. She was one of the best. I don't think Sharapova's even close to that.

.ivy.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:20 PM
She has :eek: 9 :eek: tour titles before turning 18 - a really impressive number.


And how many of those are Tier 1s? Just about any player ranked in the top ten can go to some random Tier 4 tournament and count that in their tour titles count. The majority of those wins are Tier 3s and 4s.

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:21 PM
I say that she's not even close.

Compared to the best players ever she's not even close. Sure, after she wins about 5 more Grand Slams we can start to consider that, but the girl's only been in one GS final. Big whoop. Look at Hingis. She was one of the best. I don't think Sharapova's even close to that.

But she is still only 17! She has a good 10-15 years left in her career! Goodness knows how many slams she could achieve!

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:22 PM
Geez, there's a woman named Serena Williams that managed to win 7 slams by just hitting the ball hard and a woman named Venus Williams that won 4 that way.......... isn't it a bit premature to write off Maria? :devil:

im sorry but i dont go for one-dimensional players like maria.............serena and venus have a lot more than just power but you obviously are too biased to see it (and just look at the quality of the winners serena and venus can hit compared to maria..........mashona washington was right "maria is good but she doesnt have any omg shots") womens tennis will boring as hell if she dominates.........she has no personality (and her feeble attempt at one is pathetic.........everything she does and says feels manufactored and fake)

Dawn Marie
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:23 PM
I knew Maria would one day be a great player but I don't think she will be the best ever.

The field is too strong now and she will not dominate and win all the slams. Infact I think players are learning how to play her and beat her as each tourney goes by.


these young players come up with fresh legs and we all think they will continue to be that way. Maria will get injuries and will lose points and have to rebuild her game again. This is how it always pans out.

I though am surprised at how it ed like the old Venus is finally coming around.

GO VENUS!!:)

By the way when Venus was younger and dominating she would have whipped Maria 1 and 2. :)

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:25 PM
But she is still only 17! She has a good 10-15 years left in her career! Goodness knows how many slams she could achieve!

have you seen her attempt a drop shot :tape: .............i mean honestly this girl wasnt taught anything in the crucial years other than to hit the ball hard.......it will come back to bite her in the ass soon enough :kiss:

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:26 PM
Did any of you watch the match today? Some of Masha's winners were awesome! As were Venuses but I feel it is well harsh to criticise Masha for being "boring" - she certainly was not during todays match!

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:28 PM
have you seen her attempt a drop shot :tape: .............i mean honestly this girl wasnt taught anything in the crucial years other than to hit the ball hard.......it will come back to bite her in the ass soon enough :kiss:

All players take time to develop a perfect game - in time her net play and drop shots will improve Im sure of it.

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:30 PM
Did any of you watch the match today? Some of Masha's winners were awesome! As were Venuses but I feel it is well harsh to criticise Masha for being "boring" - she certainly was not during todays match!

well maybe boring doesnt describe her...............'annoying' probably suits her better :wavey: ...............oh well hopefully she will get bored of tennis after a year or so and take the kournikova route............ :bounce:

Angel_Mars
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:31 PM
have you seen her attempt a drop shot :tape: .............i mean honestly this girl wasnt taught anything in the crucial years other than to hit the ball hard.......it will come back to bite her in the ass soon enough :kiss:


Are you kidding? Have you seen Serena attempt a drop shot lately? I think it took her ten years to even get one.... and she got ONE against Venus I think the other night, and made a couple of bad attempts before that one! And how often does Venus even attempt to hit a drop shot? To say Sharapova is not going to be great because of a lack of variety at this stage of her game, then act like Serena and Venus did much but bash the ball for years, is just ludicrous!!

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:32 PM
All players take time to develop a perfect game - in time her net play and drop shots will improve Im sure of it.

in case you havent noticed honey...........old habits die hard...........what you learn when you are between the ages of 7-13 stays with you forever.........whenever maria gets in tight situations u honestly think she is gonna have any sort of plan B

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:32 PM
well maybe boring doesnt describe her...............'annoying' probably suits her better :wavey: ...............oh well hopefully she will get bored of tennis after a year or so and take the kournikova route............ :bounce:

I agree that she can be annoying to non-Masha fans - but then so can a lot of other players. I feel though its more of an intensity which I actually applaud. I always find its the same when watching Masha and Williamses - they are always intense - which I feel is a good thing.

I can't see Masha going the Kournikova way although I suppose we will soon find out when shes 18 and legal... I do hope she stays with tennis though :D

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:34 PM
whenever maria gets in tight situations u honestly think she is gonna have any sort of plan B

Well she didn't against Davenport... whether that was a one off or not remains to be seen I suppose. She nearly lost it against Henin-Hardenne but there she did show fighting spirit!

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:41 PM
Are you kidding? Have you seen Serena attempt a drop shot lately? I think it took her ten years to even get one.... and she got ONE against Venus I think the other night, and made a couple of bad attempts before that one!

I will give Serena princess points for faking her "moan" as she prepared to hit a drop against Pere. Most players use their backswing to fake a drop shot. Serena used her acting abilities.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:43 PM
she hits the ball hard and thats bascially it........its impressive she has done this much honestly............i give it 2 more years of glory and then her predictable and boring game will be exposed for what it is!

*by the way i am extremly bitter about today's loss and i have to have a way to get out my frustration ;) :p

You've just described Venus Williams, who last won a Grand Slam singles title in 2001.

WorldWar24
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:44 PM
Actually I've seen Sharapova hit decent dropshots, against the right opponent. Oh yes coz there's a thing called tactics which says you shouldn't display an arsenal of different shots just because, shots should have a purpose and that's why Sharapova isn't beating the top players with slice and dropshots. And now I also remember Maria hitting some of the best lobs the wimbledon crowds have ever seen, in a final against some player who happened to own the tournament for some time

Dawn Marie
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:47 PM
Maria has that X factor, but she is not going to dominate nor is she going to be the best ever. The tour is just too strong now. I wouldn't be surprised if this year we have 4 different slam winners. if anyone has the game to win them all it is Serena.:)

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:52 PM
You've just described Venus Williams, who last won a Grand Slam singles title in 2001.

julia kiss my ass......................you are evil.........evil..........evil........ please just go away........nobody likes you :sad:

PaulHopkins
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:56 PM
Maria has that X factor, but she is not going to dominate nor is she going to be the best ever. The tour is just too strong now.

I agree with you there that the tour is as strong as it ever has been - thats the only reason she won't dominate in the way that Graf, Navratilova and Hingis did.

roarke
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:39 PM
Lets see how Maria handles herself for the next few months........ in tennis anything can happen and she is just as vulnerable as the rest of the players......... home life, fitness, boyfriends, outside interests may affect her game much more than training, shot selections or determination. She ahs doen well for herself so fr no neend ot put a crown onher head... we need to get back to appreciating the beauty of the game and not become star struck sad pathtic groupies.........

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.......
Why are you so bitter and hateful......? Gosh your bitterness to same players could curdle fresh milk on a cold day.... If you are like that in your real life then I feel so sorry for you.

RenaSlam.
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:40 PM
Are you kidding? Have you seen Serena attempt a drop shot lately? I think it took her ten years to even get one.... and she got ONE against Venus I think the other night, and made a couple of bad attempts before that one! And how often does Venus even attempt to hit a drop shot? To say Sharapova is not going to be great because of a lack of variety at this stage of her game, then act like Serena and Venus did much but bash the ball for years, is just ludicrous!!

Also, one of the Williams' biggest strengths is their speed. They are faster than most of the WTA players, and latest Venus has looked the quickest out of anyone. Venus is faster than Maria. That's one advantage she will always possess over Maria. :)

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:48 PM
Lets see how Maria handles herself for the next few months........ in tennis anything can happen and she is just as vulnerable as the rest of the players......... home life, fitness, boyfriends, outside interests may affect her game much more than training, shot selections or determination. She ahs doen well for herself so fr no neend ot put a crown onher head... we need to get back to appreciating the beauty of the game and not become star struck sad pathtic groupies.........

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.......
Why are you so bitter and hateful......? Gosh your bitterness to same players could curdle fresh milk on a cold day.... If you are like that in your real life then I feel so sorry for you.

well if you are referring to me then well........... :kiss: :wavey: :)

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:52 PM
julia kiss my ass......................you are evil.........evil..........evil........ please just go away........nobody likes you :sad:


I guess not even witches can see the color green :kiss:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:08 PM
I guess not even witches can see the color green :kiss:

face the fact... no ones likes you... :rolleyes:

WorldWar24
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:33 PM
I like Julia1968 :)

Angel_Mars
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:41 PM
face the fact... no ones likes you... :rolleyes:


I like her.......... :D

Julia1968
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM
face the fact... no ones likes you... :rolleyes:


Like I said, I guess not even witches can see the color green.

Julia1968
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:01 AM
I like Julia1968 :)

:wavey: Thanks!!

Julia1968
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:02 AM
I like her.......... :D


Thanks Angel :cool:

And thanks to everyone who privated me and continue to be supportive and nice to me in this forum.

10nisfanofruz
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:08 AM
She is the best player today but we have to wait if she is the best player ever. :) However, will she be or not? I don't think it matters because she is already a star. I mean she showed us some great tennis and lots of potential to be great. :D :worship:

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:09 AM
Everyone hates Julia1968...What's new?

serenafan08
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:12 AM
You know, I think Maria can become one of the greats in the game - but right now there's one glaring weakness, and that's the inability to win a close set. That's what plagued Serena and Justine for years; they could not win the close matches on the big stages. But when they got that breakthrough match, that's when their streak started. I think that when Maria can prove herself consistently to win big matches when the socre is close, then she can be considered one of the greats. I mean, beating someone 6-2 6-2 is great, but if you notice all the matches that go to three sets, she usually loses the sets that are 6-4, 7-5 or 7-6. That's not going to cut it. I know people will say that she's come from behind before, but that's all. She's never won a match with a score like 6-7, 7-5, 6-4. She usually races through those sets, and that won't always win you matches. It's nice to be able to steamroll, but you've got to learn how to win when it's close too. All the great players have won those matches that go to 7-6 or 9-7 in the final set. When she can start doing that, then we can call Maria one of the greats.

Geisha
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:19 AM
She needs to work on clay more as that is where she has not WTA titled but her other surfaces are good and she seems unstoppable on grass.

She is one of the best at the monent and I would not be surprised if she won all four slams and Wimbledon more times again.

She seems unstoppable on grass? I think not. She beat a tired Lindsay Davenport (who had a good chance of beating her, had it not been for the rain) in the semifinals and an out-of-form Serena Williams in finals. Tatiana Golovin, Amy Frazier, Ai Sugiyama- yeah, that's some incredible and top-notch grass court quality opponents.

There is no doubt Maria has incredible talent. But, I am afraid that she has only one Slam, even if she is 17. She won YEC, yes. Last year, she won Birmingham over some top 50 players, and she defeated one top 50 player in her two tournament titles in Asia. I mean, here are Venus' first nine titles:

01. Oklahoma City '98
02. Miami '98
03. Grand Slam Cup '98
04. Oklahoma City '99
05. Miami '99
06. Hamburg '99
07. Rome '99
08. New Haven '99
09. Zurich '99
*10. Wimbledon '00

Venus won five Tier I tournament titles before she turned 20: Miami '98, Miami '99, Rome, and Zurich. Her first nine titles are a lot more impressive than Maria's, no doubt, even without Wimbledon.

Serena also had a great first nine tournament victories:

01. Paris
02. Indian Wells
03. Los Angeles
04. US Open
05. Grand Slam Cup
06. Hannover
07. Los Angeles
08. Tokyo
09. Indian Wells

Before Serena turned 18, she had won those tournaments. One Grand Slam and three Tier I titles. That's pretty incredible to me.

In all reality, though, Maria probably will win 4-8 more Slams. She looked great on grass and her hardcourt game is solid. We still haven't seen her really play on clay, quite so early in her career. So, that is where I will leave it off:

Maria is one of the best players of today, but if she can keep this up throughout her teens and into her next decade is another story.

serenafan08
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:23 AM
She seems unstoppable on grass? I think not. She beat a tired Lindsay Davenport (who had a good chance of beating her, had it not been for the rain) in the semifinals and an out-of-form Serena Williams in finals. Tatiana Golovin, Amy Frazier, Ai Sugiyama- yeah, that's some incredible and top-notch grass court quality opponents.

There is no doubt Maria has incredible talent. But, I am afraid that she has only one Slam, even if she is 17. She won YEC, yes. Last year, she won Birmingham over some top 50 players, and she defeated one top 50 player in her two tournament titles in Asia. I mean, here are Venus' first nine titles:

01. Oklahoma City '98
02. Miami '98
03. Grand Slam Cup '98
04. Oklahoma City '99
05. Miami '99
06. Hamburg '99
07. Rome '99
08. New Haven '99
09. Zurich '99
*10. Wimbledon '00

Venus won five Tier I tournament titles before she turned 20: Miami '98, Miami '99, Rome, and Zurich. Her first nine titles are a lot more impressive than Maria's, no doubt, even without Wimbledon.

Serena also had a great first nine tournament victories:

01. Paris
02. Indian Wells
03. Los Angeles
04. US Open
05. Grand Slam Cup
06. Hannover
07. Los Angeles
08. Tokyo
09. Indian Wells

Before Serena turned 18, she had won those tournaments. One Grand Slam and three Tier I titles. That's pretty incredible to me.

In all reality, though, Maria probably will win 4-8 more Slams. She looked great on grass and her hardcourt game is solid. We still haven't seen her really play on clay, quite so early in her career. So, that is where I will leave it off:

Maria is one of the best players of today, but if she can keep this up throughout her teens and into her next decade is another story.
Damn...this will shut up a lot of people.

WorldWar24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
"It's not a sprint, it's a marathon" - Maria Sharapova, 2005

rue
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
There are too many good players out there and we can't assume anything now, unless if she won two grandslams this year. I think its going to be hard but she will be a great champion but not one of the greatest

Brooks.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:25 AM
"It's not a sprint, it's a marathon" - Maria Sharapova, 2005

is that quote supposed to intimidate us or something :lol:

.ivy.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:28 AM
All players take time to develop a perfect game - in time her net play and drop shots will improve Im sure of it.

Maria's play at net seems too awkward to develop good consistent net skills and drop shots for a while. She should sticks to what she does best. Hit the ball hard.

WorldWar24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:29 AM
is that quote supposed to intimidate us or something :lol:

well um... NO!? :confused:

Intimidate who, by the way? Are you Venus or Serena? All I wanted to say is that players can have instant success and then fade away, like Jaeger, or they can have moderate success and make their careers last 15 years. And that I think Maria has understood coz that's what her quote implies, or at least I hope

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:32 AM
Of any of todays younger players, I'd have to give Maria the nod.

She has an excellent opportunity to become one of the best. However, until she's playing for her 20th + grand slam singles title (as I would say for any youngster), we'll have to wait about ten years to see how that culminates.

Consider that there aren't ANY teen American's in the top 100. When's the last time that happened????? Talk about weird. Why aren't younger American teens motivated today???

Finally you make some sense.

I agree that maria has the potential. In fact everyone playing who is under 25 has the potential. Nav didnt win her first till 23.

Time will tell. There are four big names possibly only three when counting greats: Court Graf Nav maybe Evertt if we're being generous.

Brooks.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:33 AM
well um... NO!? :confused:

Intimidate who, by the way? Are you Venus or Serena? All I wanted to say is that players can have instant success and then fade away, like Jaeger, or they can have moderate success and make their careers last 15 years. And that I think Maria has understood coz that's what her quote implies, or at least I hope

well thats impressive considering she doesnt have an education.........but that besides the point.............its all about the money, after all ;)

WorldWar24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:40 AM
well thats impressive considering she doesnt have an education.........but that besides the point.............its all about the money, after all ;)
Is it? I don't think so, read Maria's "after Venus" interview. Money doesn't drive people to work out 6 hours a day, especially when you are as rich as Maria is at 17

LDVTennis
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:49 AM
I LIKE Julia too.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:07 AM
I LIKE Julia too.

You only like her because she dislikes Venus and Serena...The only people who like her are people who dislike Venus and Serena...Anybody who are "neutral" or "objective" towards Venus and Serena HATE Julia1968 too...

jacobruiz
Apr 1st, 2005, 05:59 AM
She seems unstoppable on grass? I think not. She beat a tired Lindsay Davenport (who had a good chance of beating her, had it not been for the rain) in the semifinals and an out-of-form Serena Williams in finals. Tatiana Golovin, Amy Frazier, Ai Sugiyama- yeah, that's some incredible and top-notch grass court quality opponents.

There is no doubt Maria has incredible talent. But, I am afraid that she has only one Slam, even if she is 17. She won YEC, yes. Last year, she won Birmingham over some top 50 players, and she defeated one top 50 player in her two tournament titles in Asia. I mean, here are Venus' first nine titles:

01. Oklahoma City '98
02. Miami '98
03. Grand Slam Cup '98
04. Oklahoma City '99
05. Miami '99
06. Hamburg '99
07. Rome '99
08. New Haven '99
09. Zurich '99
*10. Wimbledon '00

Venus won five Tier Iurnament titles before she turned 20: Miami '98, Miami '99, Rome, and Zurich. Her first nine titles are a lot more impressive than Maria's, no doubt, even without Wimbledon.

Serena also had a great first nine tournament victories:

01. Paris
02. Indian Wells
03. Los Angeles
04. US Open
05. Grand Slam Cup
06. Hannover
07. Los Angeles
08. Tokyo
09. Indian Wells

Before Serena turned 18, she had won those tournaments. One Grand Slam and three Tier I titles. That's pretty incredible to me.

In all reality, though, Maria probably will win 4-8 more Slams. She looked great on grass and her hardcourt game is solid. We still haven't seen her really play on clay, quite so early in her career. So, that is where I will leave it off:

Maria is one of the best players of today, but if she can keep this up throughout her teens and into her next decade is another story.


Your facts are wrong. Serena only won FOUR tournaments before she turned 18 - one Tier I, 2 Tier II's, and a Slam. She won her 9th tournament when she was 19, which is still impressive, considering that she played less than most players.

Venus won 2 tournaments before the age of 18, a Tier III and a Tier I. She did win 5 Tier I titles before age 20 but I expect Maria will win at least 4 more Tier I's before she turns 19. Venus won 2 Tier III tournaments, one when she was 18.

Maria has won 4 Tier III titles, 2 when she was only 16. She did win ONE Tier IV tournament(Oh, the SHAME!) but that was the only Tier IV she played - ever. She has also won a Tier I and a Tier II.

All three girls earned impressive records at an early age but Serena's and Venus's records are really no better than Masha's, even accounting for the fact that they played less.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:05 AM
Your facts are wrong. Serena only won FOUR tournaments before she turned 18 - one Tier I, 2 Tier II's, and a Slam. She won her 9th tournament when she was 19, which is still impressive, considering that she played less than most players.

Venus won 2 tournaments before the age of 18, a Tier III and a Tier I. She did win 5 Tier I titles before age 20 but I expect Maria will win at least 4 more Tier I's before she turns 19. Venus won 2 Tier III tournaments, one when she was 18.

Maria has won 4 Tier III titles, 2 when she was only 16. She did win ONE Tier IV tournament(Oh, the SHAME!) but that was the only Tier IV she played, at least after she turned 15. She has also won a Tier I and a Tier II.

All three girls earned impressive records at an early age but Serena's and Venus's records are really no better than Masha's, even accounting for the fact that they played less.

However, Serena was 13-2 vs. the Top 5 and had a winning record or tie against Hingis, Davenport, Graf, and Venus...

Also, she was a combined 7-1 against Davenport and Hingis who were ranked 1 and 2 at the time...

le bon vivant
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:20 AM
Definitely, as long as she continues to keep working on her game an improving.

She has what it takes INSIDE OF HER to be an all time great. The determination.

LUIS9
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:30 AM
Also not to discredit Serena by any means, even by going with the stats given Serena had only won 2 tier 1's That Tokyo is not the Pan Pacific tier 1, but rather the princess cup which was a tier 3 and recently has been upgraded to tier 2 maybe like 3 yrs ago or two. Nonetheless aweseme stats, just the fact that she pumled down on Davenport makes her stats just incredible. Plus she overpowered Hingis like no other, perhaps Davenport but Hingis could tired Davenport once in a while not so frequently versus an inform Serena sadly enough!

Dasha_
Apr 1st, 2005, 07:23 AM
sharapova has the potential. But I think that it was not to hard for her last year - Serena and Venus just coming back, Justine and Kim not playing ...
And, the best one should not have so many problems with closing up the match - she usually needs at least 3 match opints to make it happen.
I belive that sometimes around U.S. Open we shall se what is she able to do, when everyone is back and in good form.
But, I still think that, if we assume that everyone of those girls plays at her best, Serena is the best.
Lets just wait and see...

Geisha
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:17 PM
Consider the following: Venus and Serena bursted onto the tour in 1997 and 1998. They had some great results from those years, onto 2003. In 1997, Sharapova was something like 10 years-old. This is a prime stage where young players begin to form a game-style and develop their games. Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, Myskina, Vaidisova, etc., all started developing their games at this time, aswell. Do you think they are going to look up to Martina Hingis during this point in her career? No. They are going to look at the Williams Sisters and Davenport, Seles, Capriati, Pierce- all of the dominating power players. So, Sharapova, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, Vaidisova, and Myskina, are all saying: "I want to dominate tennis, so I am going to go to a power game and hit the heck out of the ball and it will stay in all time time." Guess what? That is working now. Venus and Serena started a revoloution of power tennis and now, people that looked up to them, can do it much better. But, I think in Maria's case, it won't take so long for players to realise that it is easier to beat her. I mean, already young players are working out hard, they already have power games. But now, their coaches are saying "you need to develop a good volley and dropshot, because Maria doesn't have them." So, when a young 17 year-old in 3 years players Maria, she will match her for power and hit a dropshot like a pro. Which is why, I think, Maria can dominate for a couple of years, but the transition won't be as long as it was for people to catch up with Serena and Venus.

tennnisfannn
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:41 PM
why does age determine so mcuh anyway, what maria or serena won at 17 or 18 is quite irrelevant and does not necessarily mean that is how a player'scareer will pan out.
Now hingis winning 3 out 4 at 16 or so, that is impressive but thenagain who would have thought she wouldn't win at least 30 slams by the age of 30. Note Hingis stopped winning slams long before she was injured!
maria has the potential but who is to say there are no more new comers, this time last year who would have thought svetlana would win a slam last year, she was barely known.
alot will depend on how maria does over the next 2 to 3 years before she even enters the conversation despite her almost being 18 and all!

rikvanlooy
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:44 PM
why does age determine so mcuh anyway, what maria or serena won at 17 or 18 is quite irrelevant and does not necessarily mean that is how a player'scareer will pan out.
Now hingis winning 3 out 4 at 16 or so, that is impressive but thenagain who would have thought she wouldn't win at least 30 slams by the age of 30. Note Hingis stopped winning slams long before she was injured!
maria has the potential but who is to say there are no more new comers, this time last year who would have thought svetlana would win a slam last year, she was barely known.
alot will depend on how maria does over the next 2 to 3 years before she even enters the conversation despite her almost being 18 and all!

You're correct, and a lot of people already know what I think about those "official" ages.

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