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dreamgoddess099
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:52 PM
Damn Venus, too many UFEs. But way to hit twice as many winners than Maria and prove what a better offensive defense player you are too. If only you would have played the whole match with the same intensity you played the last few games.

starr
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:57 PM
Venus had only two more ue's than winners. For her that is an EXCELLENT ratio. Against Serena, Venus had only one more winner than error. If Venus keeps her errors nearly equal to her winners, she is playing excellent tennis by her standards. That means to me that Sharapova was outplaying her and played very very well. :)

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:00 PM
Once again Someone thinking that HITTING is all there is too tennis. CONTROL with power is necessary. Yes Venus hits harder but what good is that when she cannot keep them in the court? :rolleyes:

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:01 PM
Damn Venus, too many UFEs. But way to hit twice as many winners than Maria and prove what a better offensive defense player you are too. If only you would have played the whole match with the same intensity you played the last few games.

The errors did her in. She cant afford those mistakes when playing the top players.

GoDominique
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:02 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.

SelesFan70
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:03 PM
Damn Venus, too many UFEs. But way to hit twice as many winners than Maria and prove what a better offensive defense player you are too. If only you would have played the whole match with the same intensity you played the last few games.

I disagree. Maria outhit Venus today, espeically on the big points. The stats don't count FORCED errors... ;)

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:03 PM
Once again Someone thinking that HITTING is all there is too tennis. CONTROL with power is necessary. Yes Venus hits harder but what good is that when she cannot keep them in the court? :rolleyes:

This is true but she usually can keep them in court except on the forehand side. She needs to fix this. If her forehand was as good as her backhand she would have won that match.

Maria did what every smart player does: attack your opponent's weakness.

Venus needs to shore up that forehand somehow. Whats wrong with her parents? Dont they want to fix her forehand?? Its the same with capriati with her serve. Sometimes I dont think parent coaches are such a good thing all the time. They should bring in people to help and then let them go and bring them back when needed.

ys
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:04 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.

Absolutely. Maria played just one tentative game - last game.. And other than that she was very dominant throughout the match.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:04 PM
some people are still in la-la land
Masha when it came to the crunch, she won the points that mattered.
thats all it boils down to.
Maria was in control thru out

winners mean little, getting an edge on a racquet means its no longer a winner.

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:04 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.
the first set was even until that game venus went walkabout.

Maria Croft
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:04 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.


yeah she really did, she was always searching for the lines, that Venus has more winners means nothing, Venus may played very well and made more winners but it was Maria that was in control, not really in the first but for sure in the second !!

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:05 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.

Dominique:

I think some of them are looking for that small glimpse of hope to hang on to. Let's let them have that. ;)

GoDominique
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:06 PM
some people are still in la-la land
Masha when it came to the crunch, she won the points that mattered.
thats all it boils down to.
Maria was in control thru out

winners mean little, getting an edge on a racquet means its no longer a winner.
Correct.

There were at least 15 points where Maria moved Venus around at the baseline and eventually Venus would hit a FORCED error.

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:06 PM
Absolutely. Maria played just one tentative game - last game.. And other than that she was very dominant throughout the match.

And someone could say Venus played a very passive match except for the last game where she played aggressive.

Look the bottom line is that maria was the better player today. Venus still had a great tournament even though she lost and Maria is having a great touranment eventhough she lost 0-6 0-6 last week.

Martian Jeza
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:06 PM
Venus totaly hit out Maria Sharapova ? :confused: :eek: From which planet are you from ?

UDiTY
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:07 PM
What match have you been watching ??????????????

Stats are meaningless. Maria dominated throughout the match.

That was hardly a domination. Maria was too solid, but she didn't destroy Venus.

Venus couldn't return Sharapova's serve, and Maria was more solid off the ground. End of Story...people are so dumb:rolleyes:

ys
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:07 PM
the first set was even until that game venus went walkabout.


As even as that zillion of sets that Sampras used to win 6:4, breaking his opponents for set.

Pengwin
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:09 PM
The reason Venus had more winners was becuase she basically got a racquet onto most of Maria's 'winners' as she is a far better mover.

ys
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:14 PM
The reason Venus had more winners was becuase she basically got a racquet onto most of Maria's 'winners' as she is a far better mover.

She used to be a far better mover. No longer. Maria defended very well when needed. Slower footwork is the biggest reason of Venus Williams decline. She has always has an atrocious footwork, but she used to compensate for it with her footspeed. With her footspeed going down significantly in last few years she is out of position more and more and all those unforced errors are a direct result of that.

She tries to do the right thing. She will never get that her game of past back, that footspeed will never be back. She needs to change her game, use her great reach, her wingspan, her height, come to the net more. Then she can again become somewhat a threat.

franny
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:15 PM
Maria definitely was the enforcer out there. Stats don't always show how the match was. Maria really was dictating play and really didn't allow Venus to do to her what she did to Serena, which was attack and come to net. Maria definitely dictated play. As stated already, it seems like Venus hit a lot more winners because she got to a lot of Maria's shots and hit a forced error. Many times she would be pulled out so wide that she would barely get a racket on it and the ball would hit the bottom of the net. What is really telling from this match is that Sharapova had just 12 errors. 12 errors in 19 games while dictating much of the play shows how well she played in this match. I'm very impressed. Venus impressed me with her speed and like this match totally showed me that she is on her way back up. It's really only a matter of time before Venus reached the top 5 again.

gmak
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:17 PM
The reason Venus had more winners was becuase she basically got a racquet onto most of Maria's 'winners' as she is a far better mover.

exactly ;) venus got a racquet to some balls no other player could...

BK4ever
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:17 PM
There are two people in here who are from a country that has such immense national pride and is always going on and on about the players from their country, but neither of them would go live there if u paid them :haha:

anyway...back to thread topic. Venus was toe to toe with Maria in that first set up until that last game. They were both being very dominant on serve. Even in that first set Vee's FH was not great but not horrible either. The minute she lost the first set...it went totally south.

Maria was not in control throughout and anyone who believes that was watching the match with rose colored glasses. And please spare me the BS about Maria forcing errors. The mojority of Vee's errors were UNFORCED.

But this is all irrelevant because they both played well, Maria was alot more steady on her groundies than Venus and that was the difference.

Philip
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:21 PM
maria definitely out hit venus.

it was a good match, shame it wasnt longer!

ys
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:23 PM
it was a good match, shame it wasnt longer!

It was a good mismatch. It last just enough.

DemWilliamsGulls
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:34 PM
Well thats what she has to work on...unforced errors. Like Richard said....Venus and Serena beat themselves.

ys
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:41 PM
Venus and Serena beat themselves.

That is an old, good and honorable practice. By whipping oneself mediaval monks demolished all of the evil or wrong sins that they have committed.