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"Topaz"
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:44 PM
These are stats to die for. What a beautiful match! Congrats to both ladies!


Venus*Williams (USA) [8] 4 3
Maria*Sharapova (RUS) [2] 6 6
Elapsed Time By Set 31 46

Match Summary Williams Sharapova
1st Serve % 74% 74%
Aces 5 2
Double Faults 2 1
Winning % - 1st Serve Pts. 27 of 40 = 68% 34 of 45 = 76%
Winning % - 2nd Serve Pts. 8 of 14 = 57% 11 of 16 = 69%
Winners (including service) 22* 11*
Unforced Errors 24* 12*
Break Point Conversions 0 of 6 = 0 % 2 of 5 = 40 %
Net Approaches 10 of 12 = 83 % 3 of 4 = 75 %
Total Points Won 51* 64*
Fastest Match Serve Speed 121 MPH 108 MPH
Average Match Serve Speed 105 MPH 101 MPH

Some very strong signals have been sent to the tour by both ladies. :worship:

virtue05
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:50 PM
Maria actually played well.

"Topaz"
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:00 PM
Maria actually played well.So did Venus, but Masha was too much on cue today. With stats like those above, they each would have won against anybody else.

Kabezya
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:00 PM
I'm impressed with Venus. A win would have topped everything, but the girl has it and she's going to do well this year.

UDiTY
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:01 PM
Maria has 11 winners, but probably 15-20 unreturnables, cuz Venus always gets her racket on balls.

Maria was too good.

RussiansFan
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:09 PM
Masha played very well. Venus also played well, at least until 4-5 in the first set. However, it's very difficult to serve when you're 4-5 or 5-6...
In the 2nd Venus played worse, expecially with her forehand, except for the last game, when she recoveder her toughness. But Masha was too consistent, today...

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:14 PM
Maria has 11 winners, but probably 15-20 unreturnables, cuz Venus always gets her racket on balls.

Maria was too good.

yep, venus DENIES winners. toughest lady on the circuit to ace, for sure.

jacobruiz
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:16 PM
Both girls played very, very well today. I wish Venus had been a little more aggressive but Maria was just too good and played the big points extremely well.

Congrats, MASHA!!:kiss: :bounce:

Keep on playing great, Venus!:D

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:24 PM
The only thing seperating Venus and Sharapova today was the service breaks. Venus played well. Maria served better. Actually, Maria placed her serves better. When Maria went 0-40 on her serve in the last game of the match, she served to Venus' forehand. Smart tennis.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:26 PM
So did Venus, but Masha was too much on cue today. With stats like those above, they each would have won against anybody else.

Agreed.

xan
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:30 PM
Main differences:

Maria's second serve did more damage.

Maria didn't go to net enough. (Room to improve there.)

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:33 PM
Agreed.

Venus played good but it wasn't good enough today. Venus forehand was off compared to her match against Serena. The serve was still good today. Sharapova has obviously showed that her lost to Lindsay has no long term effect on her. Sharapova might win the whole thing. Mauresmo isn't playing great right now and Clijsters is running on empty.

P.S. Julia is in the green. It's kinda odd I'm so use to the black.

Jakeev
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:34 PM
Maria has 11 winners, but probably 15-20 unreturnables, cuz Venus always gets her racket on balls.

Maria was too good.

That is interesting too because I had to tape the match at 6-4, 3-0 and when I began watching it at that point, a stat window had popped up that said Venus had 18 winners and Maria 21.

So I guess who ever does the Nasdaq site stats records one way and the ESPN stat man/woman does it another.

skanky~skanketta
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:37 PM
she could have gone to the net much more.

"Topaz"
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:42 PM
That is interesting too because I had to tape the match at 6-4, 3-0 and when I began watching it at that point, a stat window had popped up that said Venus had 18 winners and Maria 21.

So I guess who ever does the Nasdaq site stats records one way and the ESPN stat man/woman does it another.Could have been a mistake. I've seen mistakes like that quite often.

daniela86
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:50 PM
what a pity i didn't see that match :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: but i'm very glad to see that both players played an awesome tennis especially Maria. (i knew that Venus always plays great here :p ) Her double baggel from IW is just a bad remembrance now, she definitly bounced back and i'm so proud of her :) Yeahhhhh, congrats Masha!! :kiss: Good luck in final, whoever she meets (i hope kimmie) it will be very interesting:p
and venus, good luck on clay :p :)

"Topaz"
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:59 PM
...Maria didn't go to net enough. (Room to improve there.)She didn't have to; her heavy ground strokes and angles were effective enough. She came in only when Venus gave her a mid-court ball, which the latter did quite often upon difficult retrievals.

Hi, Daniela! Yup, you missed a great match. But don't worry, there are lots more to come. :)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:21 PM
Wow - those are incredible stats.

Venus almost always wins anytime her Winner/UE ratio is like -5 or better. Sharapova must have played great.

Jakeev
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:21 PM
Could have been a mistake. I've seen mistakes like that quite often.

No evidentally ESPN included both players forced errors into the winner count while the Nasdaq site does not.

Meesh
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:26 PM
It was a great match. They showed the serve placements on the video thingy for Maria. They were all over the place.

Serendy Willick
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:31 PM
No fucking agression from Venus.

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:01 PM
Wish I could have seen it, even though I hate watching Venus lose. She seems to have volleyed well, from the stats, but didn't get to net enough, which I did expect to be a problem vs Sharapova.

Well, this is certainly an improvement over the first three months of 2004. But now comes the big point defense. Charleston, Warsaw, Berlin.

WorldWar24
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:07 PM
Wish I could have seen it, even though I hate watching Venus lose. She seems to have volleyed well, from the stats, but didn't get to net enough, which I did expect to be a problem vs Sharapova.

Well, this is certainly an improvement over the first three months of 2004. But now comes the big point defense. Charleston, Warsaw, Berlin.

yep and the rulers of clay are back (Clijsters, Henin). Venus will probably fall in the rankings even though she is playing much better than last year

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:50 PM
yep and the rulers of clay are back (Clijsters, Henin). Venus will probably fall in the rankings even though she is playing much better than last yearYou'll understand that isn't my greatest concern, given Venus' lifetime record against the 'rulers of clay' (6-2 and 7-1) respectively, and Venus greater recent and lifetime success on the surface.

However, since the upcoming part of the schedule is where Venus is defending the most points, a drop in the standings wouldn't be a shock. Venus still isn't assured of a victory facing any of the top ten, besides Henin-Hardenne and Clijsters.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:11 PM
You'll understand that isn't my greatest concern, given Venus' lifetime record against the 'rulers of clay' (6-2 and 7-1) respectively, and Venus greater recent and lifetime success on the surface.

However, since the upcoming part of the schedule is where Venus is defending the most points, a drop in the standings wouldn't be a shock. Venus still isn't assured of a victory facing any of the top ten, besides Henin-Hardenne and Clijsters.


Playing on clay might give Venus extra time to come to the net (which is what she's been trying to do recently). As I recall, she was attacking a lot on clay during those events last year. Albeit, its not logical clay court tennis to come to the net a lot, but with her wingspan and willingness to attack, it just might work well for her again.

Infiniti2001
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:17 PM
I'm impressed--- Damn those break points Vee :fiery: Oh well time to move on :p

jacobruiz
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:29 PM
That is interesting too because I had to tape the match at 6-4, 3-0 and when I began watching it at that point, a stat window had popped up that said Venus had 18 winners and Maria 21.

So I guess who ever does the Nasdaq site stats records one way and the ESPN stat man/woman does it another.


I wondered about that too, and saw onscreen toward the end of the first set that Venus and Maria were even with 16 winners apiece. I think the forced errors should be counted in some form to give a more complete picture of the match.

nysaga
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:34 PM
I'm impressed--- Damn those break points Vee :fiery: Oh well time to move on :p

did you watch the match? those bp were in the very last game. If Venus had broken, she would have still trailed 4-5. Not even a contest.

Knizzle
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:45 PM
I wouldn't say Venus played well, she did on points, but she was up and down. She definitely wasn't aggressive enough like she's been in her earlier matches. It was kind of disappointing to watch her not matching any of Maria's aggression.

"Topaz"
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:45 AM
I wouldn't say Venus played well, she did on points, but she was up and down. She definitely wasn't aggressive enough like she's been in her earlier matches. It was kind of disappointing to watch her not matching any of Maria's aggression.I think that's a product of game maturation and maturity in general. When she was 17-21, she used to go for broke from get go. At her current stage in the game, she's learnt:

- to save energy as matters could go three sets
- to protect her body and avoid tearing up muscles and tendons
- not to dive into concrete (or try to)
- to have respect for the opponent and avoid over-exposed positions

And yet, she still managed twice as many winners and UE's as the opponent, which is indicative of greater aggressiveness. So, lack of aggression wasn't really the problem throughout the match. The UE's were.

Serendy Willick
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:52 AM
did you watch the match? those bp were in the very last game. If Venus had broken, she would have still trailed 4-5. Not even a contest.

It would've then been on Vees racket to continue the match dumbass.

TonyP
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:20 AM
Venus played well, not spraying the ball, although still hitting a few too many unforced errors. She played the final game beautifully. (Why do some players turn in their best work when their back is against the wall?)

She showed lots of fight and her serve didn't really fail her this time in that there were only two double faults, something that would be expected from any big server like her.

But Maria is the one who has proven something this tournament, fighting back to take the third set from Henin-Hardenne and taking out a rejuveniated Venus in straight sets.

Obviously, the loss to Davenport at Indian Wells was just one of those bad days virtually every player has on rare occasions. But, following her choke against Serena at the AO, it gave everyone pause to wonder whether Maria had come too far too quickly and was about to experience her sophomore slump.

It doesn't look that way now. No matter how she comes out in the final, she's proven she's got it together again.

Ryan
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:31 AM
Hmm, those winner starts for Maria are wrong! 11? She had 12 in the first set alone, and more than 12 in the second. ESPN showed their winner ratio many times, and both players had many winners.

SzavayFi
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:32 AM
I saw this match, very high quality at times. Like Mary Joe said, the fire has returned in Vee :)

"Topaz"
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:51 AM
Hmm, those winner starts for Maria are wrong! 11? She had 12 in the first set alone, and more than 12 in the second. ESPN showed their winner ratio many times, and both players had many winners.Well, Dr Ryan, you ought to contact the officials at Nasdaq-100 Open. You never know, you might even get a reward. ;)

Ryan
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:55 AM
Well, Dr Ryan, you ought to contact the officials at Nasdaq-100 Open. You never know, you might even get a reward. ;)

lol, I know. But anyone who watched the match must agree too?

faboozadoo15
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:16 AM
lol, I know. But anyone who watched the match must agree too?
thought it was weird too... but o well

CJ07
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:27 AM
ESPN's stats are with a doubt the wrong ones. Maria didn't hit as many winners as they said she did.

Venus played average 2002 level. The only difference was that her return was off. Had she returned better, she would've won by the same scoreline IMO.

But her serve seems to be back, and she didn't seem to concerned with the loss. She is definitely on her way back up. I'm glad she said she needs to be back in the Top 4 by Wimbledon. Also I think Venus was tired. She just seemed a bit flat. She missed a lot of sitters and didn't seem all that into it until the end

Janet
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:49 AM
Venus did say she was tired in her match today it happens to the best of best, but oh will she forgot about the lost and time to move on to the next tourament good job she did in Miami all the best to her in the clay season

"Topaz"
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:55 AM
Venus did say she was tired in her match today ...Well, Venus must know she must say NO, the night before a big match. :tape:

Sevenseas
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:20 AM
These are stats to die for. What a beautiful match! Congrats to both ladies!

Some very strong signals have been sent to the tour by both ladies. :worship:


I could watch the match as Eurosport decided to show it. :rolleyes: It was a great match and I was almost certain that it would go to a third set and if Venus had reduced her unforced errors, it definitely would have and I can just imagine how exciting the final set would be then. :) As I told you before ♥Topaz, I knew Venus would come back to her good old days and she did regardless of the final score of the match. :)

Congratulations to both Maria and Venus! :worship:

VRee_Willario
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:51 AM
Venus- errors errors errors and winners winners winners, it was all Venus in this match. If she had like 10 less errors, she would've won.

Dymension
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:55 AM
Nice stats ;)