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G1Player2
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:13 PM
At least Serena would have made this a little more competetive!

Knizzle
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:13 PM
Fire against Serena, but none against Maria.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:20 PM
Venus' problem in this match are her UE's and not forcing a break point on Maria's serve. Honestly, I don't think she is playing all that bad. She fought off a match point so far.

No Name Face
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:21 PM
the queen is making a comeback...if she wins this, then she will serve to tie it up. it's not over yet!

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:32 PM
the queen is making a comeback...if she wins this, then she will serve to tie it up. it's not over yet!

She lost 6-4, 6-3:sad:

But she had a great tournament.

I will be rooting for Kim or Amelie to win the title, though.

No Name Face
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:33 PM
She lost 6-4, 6-3:sad:

But she had a great tournament.

I will be rooting for Kim or Amelie to win the title, though.

i agree and same here. i don't like momo, but i'd root for her over maria. judging by the way maria played she would have beat serena too (although in three sets). maria was just on fire. she's really good. if she stopped screeching and being so hyped up, then maybe i could deal with her a little more.

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:34 PM
I want kim to win!

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:35 PM
you people are a joke...
maria beat venus because she's better than venus even when venus is playing well. you can't expect that all to change just because she gets one win over serena. she's got things to work on beyond that one matchup.

maria is just too good.

Stamp Paid
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:36 PM
Everybody fucking trees against my baby...Venus included. And now this shit? Serena could have used that Maria practice.

SJW
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:40 PM
Serena wasnt good enough to be in the SF. hate to say it, but it's true. she was playing poor all tournament. both of them need to hit the practice court. im not worried, just wait...:angel:

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:42 PM
i agree and same here. i don't like momo, but i'd root for her over maria. judging by the way maria played she would have beat serena too (although in three sets). maria was just on fire. she's really good. if she stopped screeching and being so hyped up, then maybe i could deal with her a little more.


Her fans (particulary on this board) and father make her hard to like too.

However, I don't think she would have beaten Serena, espcially based on that last game.

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:43 PM
you people are a joke...
maria beat venus because she's better than venus even when venus is playing well. you can't expect that all to change just because she gets one win over serena. she's got things to work on beyond that one matchup.

maria is just too good.
I don't like to admit it, but that's about how I see it as well. That just makes Venus' win over Serena harder to stomach because we all know that Serena vs. Maria would have been a different match entirely. I'm not saying Serena would have definietely won, I just think it would have been a more closely contested match. Venus is on her way back to the top and has been looking better lately, but she still has a ways to go.

Congrats to Maria- and she better thank the stars that Venus made her route a little easier...

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:44 PM
i agree and same here. i don't like momo, but i'd root for her over maria. judging by the way maria played she would have beat serena too (although in three sets). maria was just on fire. she's really good. if she stopped screeching and being so hyped up, then maybe i could deal with her a little more.
wait, you're saying maria has control over her hype??? and then you say she's good (and will therefore win) yet you think her hype will just go away even if she wanted it to? :retard:

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:45 PM
Another lizchris's prediction went down in flames today. At least she has learnt not to make predictions for the final. Well, maybe they will come later.

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:48 PM
I don't like to admit it, but that's about how I see it as well. That just makes Venus' win over Serena harder to stomach because we all know that Serena vs. Maria would have been a different match entirely. I'm not saying Serena would have definietely won, I just think it would have been a more closely contested match. Venus is on her way back to the top and has been looking better lately, but she still has a ways to go.

Congrats to Maria- and she better thank the stars that Venus made her route a little easier...
you realize that that makes no sense at all, don't you? i realize it's a different matchup altogether.... but
venus beat serena primarily with consistency and aggression, and serena was spraying the ball. then venus plays a great match against maria, and maria beats her in straight sets. there's hardly any logic at all to suggest serena would have done any better against maria. not today.

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 31st, 2005, 06:51 PM
maria is just too good.

Lindsay Defeat Maria 6-0 6-0

No one is unbeatable. Venus had her chances and could have won. She didn't. She still had a great tournament. Hell beating Serena is more impressive than winning this tournament because she lost five grand slam finals to the woman!

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:01 PM
Another lizchris's prediction went down in flames today. At least she has learnt not to make predictions for the final. Well, maybe they will come later.


There is still the final, unless it was canceled because Amelie and Kim decided not to play the other semifinal and went home.:rolleyes:


I still say that a Russian will not win the final and I can still be right.

Kabezya
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:04 PM
You know, it's always easy for people to come up with the negative when someone loses, and especially when Venus or Serena loses.

The fact of the matter is that the win over Serena had it's own significance and importance. That cannot be taken away nor can it be compared at the moment to Venus losing to Sharapova. Even with Venus losing to Sharapova, there are so many positives that I'm surprised they aren't being counted.

Venus beat Serena. Kudos to Venus. She didn't get the job done against Maria, but that in itself is not the end of the world. It's one match.

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:12 PM
OK, lizchris, your predictions were wrong twice and you still hasn't learnt anything. You still make predictions instead of expressing them as just your hopes. Well, I guess some people don't learn even on their own mistakes.

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:24 PM
you realize that that makes no sense at all, don't you? i realize it's a different matchup altogether.... but
venus beat serena primarily with consistency and aggression, and serena was spraying the ball. then venus plays a great match against maria, and maria beats her in straight sets. there's hardly any logic at all to suggest serena would have done any better against maria. not today.
The logic I'm using to suggest that the possible matchup between Serena and Maria would have been more competittive is based on their preivious history. You say there's hardly any logic to suggest Serena would have done any better against Maria- to that, I would argue that there isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise. Just because Maria played well against Venus today, and Serena didn't play well against Venus last night, you can't assume that Maria would have played equally well against Serena had they played today- it doesn't work that way in tennis. You have to conceed that the stakes are higher when Maria plays Serena. If for no other reason, Serena is one of only two players that has beaten Maria this year- there's going to be much more mental intensity from both players. In truth, it's all just inferring at this point. Maria played extremly well today, but who knows how Serena would have played today- no one saw Maria's double bagel coming...

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:33 PM
OK, lizchris, your predictions were wrong twice and you still hasn't learnt anything. You still make predictions instead of expressing them as just your hopes. Well, I guess some people don't learn even on their own mistakes.


Funny, I didn't see you say anything when I said at the beginning of this tournament that Serena was going to beat Venus. I was wrong there. I also said that Dementieva was not going to get back to the final. I was right there. I also sais that Clijsters would be a semifinliast. I was also right with that prediction, but of course, you don't remember that.:rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:35 PM
Lindsay Defeat Maria 6-0 6-0

No one is unbeatable. Venus had her chances and could have won. She didn't. She still had a great tournament. Hell beating Serena is more impressive than winning this tournament because she lost five grand slam finals to the woman!
um incorrect.... for venus it's not about winning 1 match, it's about getting through the draws and holding up the biggest trophy. if she had won this title without beating serena she would have MORE positives than beating serena one night and then getting beaten in straight sets by maria. this says to her that she still has a way to go if she wants to beat the top 2,3,4 times in a row, which is tough when she runs into someone playing as well as sharapova played today.

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:37 PM
Lizchris, I don't care about either of those mentioned above. And the ones that you were right about were almost as obvious as a (hypothetical) prediction that Maria wouldn't lose in her first match in Miami.

You consistently undersell Maria in your predictions. This should've told you long time ago that you cannot be objective about her and better keep your mouth shut when you are tempted to make predictions about her.

No Name Face
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:40 PM
wait, you're saying maria has control over her hype??? and then you say she's good (and will therefore win) yet you think her hype will just go away even if she wanted it to? :retard:

no, but it doesn't mean i have to like the hype...and when the williams' were winning all the time they weren't overhyped, in fact, they were ostracized because the game was 'boring' or 'predictable.' i don't think it's her fault that she's overhyped, but it doesn't mean i have to like her.

jacobruiz
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:44 PM
Venus played a very good tournament; she just ran into someone playing even better.

I don't think players, or their fans, should be expecting another match like the 6-0 6-0 one from Maria. Something tells me it will become just a hiccup in Maria's career; not that she won't lose again - but not like that.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:46 PM
Lizchris, I don't care about either of those mentioned above. And the ones that you were right about were almost as obvious as a (hypothetical) prediction that Maria wouldn't lose in her first match in Miami.

You consistently undersell Maria in your predictions. This should've told you long time ago that you cannot be objective about her and better keep your mouth shut when you are tempted to make predictions about her.


Anyone who complains that the Williams sisters play too many GS finals before she had the capcity to get to one, you bet I can't be objective about her. (USO 2003 interview with Tracy Austin).

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:50 PM
i agree and same here. i don't like momo, but i'd root for her over maria. judging by the way maria played she would have beat serena too (although in three sets). maria was just on fire. she's really good. if she stopped screeching and being so hyped up, then maybe i could deal with her a little more.
I agree with you, but I hope Kim makes it through to the finals because Momo can't beat Maria. I really think Kim has the game that can. However, I do think Maria is the one to beat in the WTA now. She's got a great game and Venus did not fall apart. She had a couple of loose games, but she played very, very well and I think she's back to form. She and the others have to find the chink in Maria's armor. Venus fought harder than I thought she would and she had very few errors. It was a very well-played, clean match. Maria just outplayed Vee. :sad:

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:51 PM
She lost 6-4, 6-3:sad:

But she had a great tournament.

I will be rooting for Kim or Amelie to win the title, though.

I am shocked, and truly surprised :eek: :eek: :eek:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:52 PM
you people are a joke...
maria beat venus because she's better than venus even when venus is playing well. you can't expect that all to change just because she gets one win over serena. she's got things to work on beyond that one matchup.

maria is just too good.
Did you even watch the match? It was closer than the scoreline suggests. Venus took it to her and she won it. It could have gone either way, if Venus had not played loose at the end of the first set and the beginning of the second. :rolleyes:

You are a joke faboo.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:53 PM
I agree with you, but I hope Kim makes it through to the finals because Momo can't beat Maria. I really think Kim has the game that can. However, I do think Maria is the one to beat in the WTA now. She's got a great game and Venus did not fall apart. She had a couple of loose games, but she played very, very well and I think she's back to form. She and the others have to find the chink in Maria's armor. Venus fought harder than I thought she would and she had very few errors. It was a very well-played, clean match. Maria just outplayed Vee. :sad:


I think she has beaten her before. At last year's YEC.

Becool
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:53 PM
I think with Serena's desire to win every freakin match, I'm sure she would be much more competitive than Venus.. I know you guys say she's trying to comeback, and that Venus tries to be a better player, but it doesn't matter.. Serena's fighting skills are better, and even playing poorly like she did against Venus on the quarters, Serena still managed to have a few set points, but well.. she was playing really bad, cuz I know that a healthy Serena wouldn't lose to Venus, in any given day.
And Maria kinda is much more intimidated by Serena, than with Venus, and she would feel the pressure playing against Serena..

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:54 PM
Lizchris, one can only hope that you don't bet against Maria with real cash. You'd have to file for bankruptcy pretty soon.

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:54 PM
I don't like to admit it, but that's about how I see it as well. That just makes Venus' win over Serena harder to stomach because we all know that Serena vs. Maria would have been a different match entirely. I'm not saying Serena would have definietely won, I just think it would have been a more closely contested match. Venus is on her way back to the top and has been looking better lately, but she still has a ways to go.

Congrats to Maria- and she better thank the stars that Venus made her route a little easier...
Did you see the match Stef? If you did, you couldn't possibly feel that way. :confused:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:56 PM
you realize that that makes no sense at all, don't you? i realize it's a different matchup altogether.... but
venus beat serena primarily with consistency and aggression, and serena was spraying the ball. then venus plays a great match against maria, and maria beats her in straight sets. there's hardly any logic at all to suggest serena would have done any better against maria. not today.
Well, if you use that type of logic, than Kim should have no problem in trouncing Maria. :p Since Lindsay stomped Maria at Indian Wells and then lost to Kim. :rolleyes:

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:57 PM
Lizchris, one can only hope that you don't bet against Maria with real cash. You'd have to file for bankruptcy pretty soon.


Not if I bet on the AO, which I knew Serena would win (and she did saving three MP:angel: ).

I also bet against her at IW, but I didn't think she would be embarassed they way she was.

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:57 PM
I think she has beaten her before. At last year's YEC.
I mean now. IMO, Maria is playing better now than she played at Wimby and YEC.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:57 PM
Funny, I didn't see you say anything when I said at the beginning of this tournament that Serena was going to beat Venus. I was wrong there. I also said that Dementieva was not going to get back to the final. I was right there. I also sais that Clijsters would be a semifinliast. I was also right with that prediction, but of course, you don't remember that.:rolleyes:

You also predicted that there wouldn't be a Russian semifinalist either. Just to jog your memory. :rolleyes:

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:59 PM
Not if I bet on the AO, which I knew Serena would win (and she did saving three MP:angel: ).

I also bet against her at IW, but I didn't think she would be embarassed they way she was.

Don't you think its quite amazing for Sharapova to rebound so quickly from such an embarassing loss??? Its about courage and character. :kiss: :kiss:

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:59 PM
You also predicted that there wouldn't be a Russian semifinalist either. Just to jog your memory. :rolleyes:


I did because I didn't feel they would get there. I was right on all but one.:rolleyes:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 07:59 PM
OK, lizchris, your predictions were wrong twice and you still hasn't learnt anything. You still make predictions instead of expressing them as just your hopes. Well, I guess some people don't learn even on their own mistakes.
And, you obviously 'hasn't learnt anything' in school. :retard: :lol:

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:00 PM
Don't you think its quite amazing for Sharapova to rebound so quickly from such an embarassing loss??? Its about courage and character. :kiss: :kiss:

It's called showing up and not playing like shit.

BTW, after losing 6-0, 6-0, she had nowhere to go but up.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:01 PM
Anyone who complains that the Williams sisters play too many GS finals before she had the capcity to get to one, you bet I can't be objective about her. (USO 2003 interview with Tracy Austin).

You've twice referred to the USO 2003 interview between Sharapova and Austin, yet have never provided a transcript or any tangible proof it happened or what was "supposedly" said. That would have made Sharapova 16. Hmmmm.....

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:04 PM
It's called showing up and not playing like shit.

BTW, after losing 6-0, 6-0, she had nowhere to go but up.

I think everyone knows you really hate Maria, but clean up the gutter talk. There are impressionable teenagers that participate here.

Tennisaddict
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:04 PM
To faboozadoo: Maria is a better player then Venus right now. But she is not and will never be better then Venus in terms of ability.

Back to topic: Venus win over Serena was deserved and Serena would have had a difficult time to beat Sharapova too, mainly because she has not played well in this tournament and Sharapova has. Venus gave Sharapova a run for her money but failed short on the points that mattered. I'm just glad to see that Venus is getting stronger in every tournament she enters and is posing a threat to all the top players again. People should not forget that she lost to the nr 3 player in the world. Sharapova has that ranking for a reason. It won't be long until Venus is back in the top 5 where she belongs.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:04 PM
You've twice referred to the USO 2003 interview between Sharapova and Austin, yet have never provided a transcript or any tangible proof it happened or what was "supposedly" said. That would have made Sharapova 16. Hmmmm.....


Because there isn't a transcript. If there was one, I'd provide it. It was done by Tracy Austin at the USO and it was on the USA network.

Look, you can believe me or not, I don't care. I have nothing to gain by saying she said it when she didn't.

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:05 PM
And, you obviously 'hasn't learnt anything' in school. :retard: :lol:

Apparently, that's the only weakness you could find in the argument of a non-native English speaker. What a mature :retard: you are.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:09 PM
I think everyone knows you really hate Maria, but clean up the gutter talk. There are impressionable teenagers that participate here.


I don't care for Maria mainly becaue of her fans (like you) and a father who apparently doesn't work and depends on his child to provide a lifestyle he never had the capacity to make for himself. Plus he kind of reminds me of Jim Pierce:scared:.

Before you even bring up Richard, he had his own business prior to his children turning pro and at least coaches his children

BTW, I never said she couldn't play.

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:12 PM
Apparently, that's the only weakness you could find in the argument of a non-native English speaker. What a mature :retard: you are.
Oh, excuse me for thinking you were from the US with that big red, white and blue flag by your name. :retard: I would still expect for you to speak properly, even if it is your second language. You choose to speak it, so speak it correctly.

Also, I found plenty of weaknesses with your argument, but it wasn't my argument to fight it was lizchris. Just note that when you make a declaratory statement such as "Another lizchris's prediction went down in flames today. At least she has learnt not to make predictions for the final. Well, maybe they will come later." be sure to be specific. :p

:wavey:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:14 PM
It's called showing up and not playing like shit.

BTW, after losing 6-0, 6-0, she had nowhere to go but up.
:worship: :worship: :lol: :lol:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:15 PM
To faboozadoo: Maria is a better player then Venus right now. But she is not and will never be better then Venus in terms of ability.

Back to topic: Venus win over Serena was deserved and Serena would have had a difficult time to beat Sharapova too, mainly because she has not played well in this tournament and Sharapova has. Venus gave Sharapova a run for her money but failed short on the points that mattered. I'm just glad to see that Venus is getting stronger in every tournament she enters and is posing a threat to all the top players again. People should not forget that she lost to the nr 3 player in the world. Sharapova has that ranking for a reason. It won't be long until Venus is back in the top 5 where she belongs.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:17 PM
Oh, excuse me for thinking you were from the US with that big red, white and blue flag by your name. :retard: I would still expect for you to speak properly, even if it is your second language. You choose to speak it, so speak it correctly.

Also, I found plenty of weaknesses with your argument, but it wasn't my argument to fight it was lizchris. Just note that when you make a declaratory statement such as "Another lizchris's prediction went down in flames today. At least she has learnt not to make predictions for the final. Well, maybe they will come later." be sure to be specific. :p

:wavey:


I think Amelie has a better shot at beating Maria than Kim, but you never know.

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:18 PM
Did you see the match Stef? If you did, you couldn't possibly feel that way. :confused:
Don't get me wrong I can't fault Venus she played a good match today and Maria was simply in a zone. Honestly, Maria would have been tough to beat no matter who was playing her today.

As for me agreeing w/Faboo-
maria beat venus because she's better than venus even when venus is playing well. you can't expect that all to change just because she gets one win over serena. she's got things to work on beyond that one matchup. maria is just too good.
No, I don't really believe that... If Venus is playing at her best she's going to push anyone to their limits to beat her, that's how I honestly feel. But I do feel that Vee still has a ways to go. I also agree that her winning this title would have been a bigger boost for confidence than lossing to Maria after beating Serena.

I'm having a good time watching tennis right now- and in addition to rooting for Kimmie and Serena, I love to root against Maria (and MoMo), it just all part of the fun...(I respect Maria's game and love her matches, although I'm not a fan and I'm usually rooting for her opponent). So I'm more disapointed that no one was able to stop her (so far,) and that Serena didn't get a chance to get a piece of her- but that's Serena's fault- no one but her to blame for that. If I come across a little harsh on Venus it's just me reacting to Serena's loss...

NOW COME ON KIM AND WIN THIS!!!!

DelMonte
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:18 PM
Argh, silly thread.

Back to my Colombard Chardonnay and good ole English tea biscuits. Yum!

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:21 PM
Don't get me wrong I can't fault Venus she played a good match today and Maria was simply in a zone. Honestly, Maria would have been tough to beat no matter who was playing her today.

As for me agreeing w/Faboo-

No, I don't really believe that... If Venus is playing at her best she's going to push anyone to their limits to beat her, that's how I honestly feel. But I do feel that Vee still has a ways to go. I also agree that her winning this title would have been a bigger boost for confidence than lossing to Maria after beating Serena.

I'm having a good time watching tennis right now- and in addition to rooting for Kimmie and Serena, I love to root against Maria (and MoMo), it just all part of the fun...(I respect Maria's game and love her matches, although I'm not a fan and I'm usually rooting for her opponent). So I'm more disapointed that no one was able to stop her (so far,) and that Serena didn't get a chance to get a piece of her- but that's Serena's fault- no one but her to blame for that. If I come across a little harsh on Venus it's just me reacting to Serena's loss...

NOW COME ON KIM AND WIN THIS!!!!
I can relate sister. Believe me. :rolleyes: :worship: :worship: :worship:

densuprun
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:24 PM
Denise:

specific? lizchris knows which prediction I am talking about. it's none of your business, Denise. I don't have to explain you every little detail of our little conversation with her.

red, white and blue indicates my location, nothing more.

you may expect world piece, democracy and just society everywhere just as much as you can expect everyone to speak proper English.

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:25 PM
I don't care for Maria mainly becaue of her fans (like you) and a father who apparently doesn't work and depends on his child to provide a lifestyle he never had the capacity to make for himself. Plus he kind of reminds me of Jim Pierce:scared:.

Before you even bring up Richard, he had his own business prior to his children turning pro and at least coaches his children

BTW, I never said she couldn't play.


You poor thing!

You've been Sharapovanated!!!!!!

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 08:28 PM
You poor thing!

You've been Sharapovanated!!!!!!

You are the poor thing.

For one, you can't deny anyting I said was incorrect and at least I have never been banned.:rolleyes:

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:05 PM
You are the poor thing.

For one, you can't deny anyting I said was incorrect and at least I have never been banned.:rolleyes:

Its not my job to prove your assertions correct.

Now.

Prove what Sharapova said to Tracy Austin at the 2003 US Open. Anything from the net will suffice, as long as its quoted accurately. Otherwise, it makes it look as if you just made that stuff up.

I've never understood why people like you "quote", when they can't prove it ever happened.

Oh, and prove I was banned why you are at it. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

See the sig.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:07 PM
Its not my job to prove your assertions correct.

Now.

Prove what Sharapova said to Tracy Austin at the 2003 US Open. Anything from the net will suffice, as long as its quoted accurately. Otherwise, it makes it look as if you just made that stuff up.

I've never understood why people like you "quote", when they can't prove it ever happened.

Oh, and prove I was banned why you are at it. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

See the sig.


When I have time, I will.

Jakeev
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:11 PM
Argh, silly thread.

Back to my Colombard Chardonnay and good ole English tea biscuits. Yum!

MMmmmm I want some......:drool:

Jasmin
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:16 PM
Venus just doesn't play as good as she can consistently. You never know now which Venus will show up.

Angel_Mars
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:19 PM
Its not my job to prove your assertions correct.

Now.

Prove what Sharapova said to Tracy Austin at the 2003 US Open. Anything from the net will suffice, as long as its quoted accurately. Otherwise, it makes it look as if you just made that stuff up.

I've never understood why people like you "quote", when they can't prove it ever happened.

Oh, and prove I was banned why you are at it. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

See the sig.


TRue, quotes are meaningless unless they can be backed up with a printed interview or something....... anybody can make up stuff

Serendy Willick
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:26 PM
:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: When it was fucking crunch time, Venus tanked just like she did vs Amelie in Belgium Damn you Venus, thanks a fucking million.:mad: :mad: :mad: :fiery:

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:35 PM
TRue, quotes are meaningless unless they can be backed up with a printed interview or something....... anybody can make up stuff


You are correct.

I would probably believe Liz except she is SO anti-Sharapova that her credibility is shot in that regard.

lizchris
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:40 PM
You are correct.

I would probably believe Liz except she is SO anti-Sharapova that her credibility is shot in that regard.


Well, with that logic, I can't believe anything you say about Venus and Serena because you are so anti- Williams.

Like I said, my problem isn't with her, it is with her so-called fans and her semi-insane father.

fammmmedspin
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:43 PM
Venus played well. Maria played better - i suspect because apart from move she can do everything better or at least more often. Venus didn't lack fight. Maria had a bit more.

Don't know where Serena came into it. If she was playing better she would have beaten venus. its true she fought out a win at the AO over Maria but she fought so hard because she put herself in a bad situation by playing a poor match up to then. No one knows what would have happened if Maria hadn't let her back in and the lesson of today, if there is one, is that Maria didn't let Venus back in in a similar (actually worse) situation. Maria may have just got and played better rather than Venus being a worse player or less lucky than Serena.

SharapovaFan16
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:44 PM
venus fought like a champ. did you see the final game? it just wasn't in the stars. i thought it was a great match. maria likes making it hard on her fans when she is trying to close out a match haah

volta
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:46 PM
work that FH Vee and BE AGRESSIVE thats all that u need the serve is on but this 2 are not

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:46 PM
look can we just settle this already............the williams sisters at their peak will always always always be better than sharapova.............THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS BETTER!........not the cheap carbon copy

Kabezya
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:48 PM
:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: When it was fucking crunch time, Venus tanked just like she did vs Amelie in Belgium Damn you Venus, thanks a fucking million.:mad: :mad: :mad: :fiery:

Maybe you should put some of that ill placed anger towards Serena where it belongs.

SharapovaFan16
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:48 PM
carbon copy? the williams sisters are black sharapova's white no copy there? someone will always be better in the future... if sharapova becomes the best someone down the line will be better than her. it's proven in sports. dan marino then peyton manning. lou gehrig to cal ripken. michael jordan to lebron james??? only time will tell i mean come on now!

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:49 PM
look can we just settle this already............the williams sisters at their peak will always always always be better than sharapova.............THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS BETTER!........not the cheap carbon copy

:cuckoo:

Serendy Willick
Mar 31st, 2005, 09:54 PM
Maybe you should put some of that ill placed anger towards Serena where it belongs.


Dont think I'm not pissed at Serena:fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:00 PM
Denise:

specific? lizchris knows which prediction I am talking about. it's none of your business, Denise. I don't have to explain you every little detail of our little conversation with her.

red, white and blue indicates my location, nothing more.

you may expect world piece, democracy and just society everywhere just as much as you can expect everyone to speak proper English.
Well, when you post in a public forum on a message board, I would assume that you don't have any private business to discuss. :rolleyes:

Okay, you live in the US. Am I supposed to know that you're not from the US by osmosis?

Naww, I don't expect world piece. :p

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:02 PM
You are the poor thing.

For one, you can't deny anyting I said was incorrect and at least I have never been banned.:rolleyes:
:o :tape: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:05 PM
Venus played well. Maria played better - i suspect because apart from move she can do everything better or at least more often. Venus didn't lack fight. Maria had a bit more.

Don't know where Serena came into it. If she was playing better she would have beaten venus. its true she fought out a win at the AO over Maria but she fought so hard because she put herself in a bad situation by playing a poor match up to then. No one knows what would have happened if Maria hadn't let her back in and the lesson of today, if there is one, is that Maria didn't let Venus back in in a similar (actually worse) situation. Maria may have just got and played better rather than Venus being a worse player or less lucky than Serena.

Maria took her chances and capitalized on Venus' mistakes and Venus didn't. End of story. Venus played very well. Seconldy, Serena didn't beat Maria with luck. Those winners at match points were not as a result of luck, but skill. :wavey:

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:09 PM
:cuckoo:

your one to call somebody crazy..............you wrote the book on crazy julia!

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:10 PM
carbon copy? the williams sisters are black sharapova's white no copy there? someone will always be better in the future... if sharapova becomes the best someone down the line will be better than her. it's proven in sports. dan marino then peyton manning. lou gehrig to cal ripken. michael jordan to lebron james??? only time will tell i mean come on now!
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Well, Lindsay has never bageled either sister, so I doubt they are carbon copies of someone who has that honor.:p The sisters were first with this type of game and they are the originals. You can always make a copy from an original, but you can't make an original from a copy.

faste5683
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:24 PM
The sisters were first with this type of game and they are the originals. You can always make a copy from an original, but you can't make an original from a copy.

First with what type of game? Original in what way?

:wavey:

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:31 PM
First with what type of game? Original in what way?

:wavey:

in every way :wavey:

Infiniti2001
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:38 PM
What a rubbish thread... Venus is not the first player to have a huge win only to disappoint in the next round. Remember the #1 player?? She won her semi final match 6-0 6-0 @ IW only to lose the final to a player who has been out of the game for a while :rolleyes:

bandabou
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:38 PM
each match is different.....venus needed to get a win over Serena.....but Maria was just too good today....

Julia1968
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:43 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Well, Lindsay has never bageled either sister, so I doubt they are carbon copies of someone who has that honor.:p The sisters were first with this type of game and they are the originals. You can always make a copy from an original, but you can't make an original from a copy.

Denise:

The Game of tennis began in the 1800's. The current state of today's players is a result of what started long before you, I, Sharapova and "they" were born.

Sir Stefwhit
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:51 PM
First with what type of game? Original in what way?

:wavey:
The first to incorporate ALL of the following:
1. An aggressive Serve
2. Aggressive ground strokes off the forehand and back hand side
3. Athleticism to the highest degree
4. Ability to turn a defensive point into an offensive one

Martina N- had 1 and 3 but wasn't intimidating from the baseline
Seles- had 1 and 2, but was far from a world class athlete, and didn't really have a defensive game
Steffi- had 1 and 3, and parts of 2, but didn't apply the same kind of pressure off of both sides (although what she did was probably more effective IMO)
Pierce- had 1 and 2, but was lacking 3 and 4
Lindsay- has 1 and 2 and parts of 4, but has limitation in the athletic department

The brand of tennis Venus and Serena played with had elements of Seles' ground strokes, Martina's serve (at her time it was one of the best,) and Steffi's athleticism. I'm not saying their brand of tennis is any better or worse than anyone else's, but it was original- IMO.

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:55 PM
First with what type of game? Original in what way?

:wavey:

Ed, do you want something more besides your girl winning today? Hell I thought since Justine was back, you'd hop off that Maria bandwagon and jump back on the Justine one. But, then again she lost to Maria, so stay with a winner. ;) Good choice, I ain't mad at ya. :yeah:

The power game and in every way. Does that answer your fucking questions?

:wavey:

Denise4925
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:56 PM
The first to incorporate ALL of the following:
1. An aggressive Serve
2. Aggressive ground strokes off the forehand and back hand side
3. Athleticism to the highest degree
4. Ability to turn a defensive point into an offensive one

Martina N- had 1 and 3 but wasn't intimidating from the baseline
Seles- had 1 and 2, but was far from a world class athlete, and didn't really have a defensive game
Steffi- had 1 and 3, and parts of 2, but didn't apply the same kind of pressure off of both sides (although what she did was probably more effective IMO)
Pierce- had 1 and 2, but was lacking 3 and 4
Lindsay- has 1 and 2 and parts of 4, but has limitation in the athletic department

The brand of tennis Venus and Serena played with had elements of Seles' ground strokes, Martina's serve (at her time it was one of the best,) and Steffi's athleticism. I'm not saying their brand of tennis is any better or worse than anyone else's, but it was original- IMO.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

faste5683
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:22 PM
The first to incorporate ALL of the following:
1. An aggressive Serve
2. Aggressive ground strokes off the forehand and back hand side
3. Athleticism to the highest degree
4. Ability to turn a defensive point into an offensive one

Martina N- had 1 and 3 but wasn't intimidating from the baseline
Seles- had 1 and 2, but was far from a world class athlete, and didn't really have a defensive game
Steffi- had 1 and 3, and parts of 2, but didn't apply the same kind of pressure off of both sides (although what she did was probably more effective IMO)
Pierce- had 1 and 2, but was lacking 3 and 4
Lindsay- has 1 and 2 and parts of 4, but has limitation in the athletic department


Good points, but I differ in opinion on several of them.

1: Martina N. wasn't intimidating at the baseline because she she wasn't a baseliner. Her game was to get to the net as soon and often as possible...I would imagine she was a bit better at net than Venus or Serena will ever be.

2: Steffi had all of the ingredients listed above, as well as more variety. She could rip topspin on that one-handed back-hand as well as slicing it...IMO, Steffi was the prototype of this "original" game that has been mentioned.

3: I'm not sure what Pierce is doing on this list...:eek:

4: The argument against Monica and Lindsay's "Athleticism" is valid only to the extent that they were (are) not speedy around court. OTOH, because of this fact, one must search for what they did (do) to compensate for this lack of speed: perhaps incredible hand-eye coordination or fantastic stroke production.

The point is, there is no "original" style in tennis. Even Rodger Federer is simply incorporating the tactics and strokes of those who've preceded him.

:wavey:

tennischick
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:44 AM
At least Serena would have made this a little more competetive!
i agree, from what i am seeing of this match. once Venus starts chewing the inside of her lip, it's a bad bad sign. i'm not sure she is even aware of this.