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Calimero377
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:15 PM
To my knowledge no one has hailed her as the next no.1 or anything.....just stating that she does have a nice game...

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:18 PM
The question should be: How can someone consider enna their 3rd greatest or best player when she doesn't even have a wimbledon title?

Joana
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:19 PM
She's nowhere near as hyped as Golovin, Vaidisova and Karatancheva. Get a grip.
And not everyone wins Slams and big titles at the age of 15.
While hyping a young player certainly is annoying, it's just as bad as idolizing and obsessing over those "so talented, graceful, charming, determined, could-do-no-wrong blah blah blah" players, which so many people around here seem to be doing.
And yes, she has beaten a top 20 player, and just 2 days ago. She beat Petrova.

rada
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

Well ana has just been playing in WTA for a few months;) unlike the other's have played GS and been on tour longer;) Ana is a top player and will do well so get over your hate :lol:

ezekiel
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

As stated before me, she 's been on the tour for just a few moths and has only played one slam, going 3rd round in Australia.
Her physical talents are huge and she seems to posses high IQ. She is tall and strong and runs the court very well.
But her mental aspect of the game is very developed too.
She doesn't get too high or low on her self and seems very level minded. In fact she inspires confidence :D

And she is far from hyped from so called experts and pundits for some reason. In fact if you look at some of these reports after she defeated Vaidisova, she is barely mentioned
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-nasdaqnotes27mar27,0,1375271.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4387169.stm
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1112011149276020.xml&storylist=

Those of us who have seen her play such as myself have seen something that makes us think she can really be a good tennis player :)

Ana&Jelena Fan
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:54 PM
No one told that Ana is the best and that she would be No1. But...

At the beginning of the last year she was No705, and noone know for her until October when she wasn`t in top200, and she won four str8 matches against top50 girls. After that she is even better and she had never lost match against girl who was worse than her at WTA list !!! :eek: She played first serious tournament in Zurich only 5 months ago.

She is not best, but she is one of the new faces, with Vaidisova, Kirilenko, Golovin, Karatancheva, Mirza... No one of them hadn`t beat her and she proved that she is better than Vaidisova, Golovin and Kirilenko (twice).

Maybe other had reached top20 earlier than Ana, but now that is harder, there are only two girls under 20 (Masha and Kuzzie) in top20, Molik has reached top10 with 24 years, and Ana is seven years younger than her.

And she is very pretty too. ;) :hearts:

Spunky83
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:56 PM
She's nowhere near as hyped as Golovin, Vaidisova and Karatancheva. Get a grip.
And not everyone wins Slams and big titles at the age of 15.
While hyping a young player certainly is annoying, it's just as bad as idolizing and obsessing over those "so talented, graceful, charming, determined, could-do-no-wrong blah blah blah" players, which so many people around here seem to be doing.
And yes, she has beaten a top 20 player, and just 2 days ago. She beat Petrova.

:lol: Yep...I was just thinking, "never beaten a top twenty player" couldnīt be right;) and youīre also right that she isnīt hyped at all...it may be that her fans hype her (which fan doesnīt), but you wouldnīt see a lot of her in tourneys, off court promos or newspapers. IMO a player is only "hyped" when people non-related to tennis take notice of her in any way and that hasnīt happened yet. Vadisova is the most hyped young non-top player, thatīs for sure:

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos_rx/vaidisova_6438_rx.jpg

!<blocparty>!
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:57 PM
I could write and essay on how silly that post is. But in a nutshell - this is 2005 and the game of tennis has moved on.

Freakan
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:06 PM
The proof that she is really good is that she has a 1st big hater in you. :devil:
If she wasn't that good, why would you care? :rolleyes: :o
Go Ana :yeah:

Greenout
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:


I think it has alot to do with those photo's that have been
posted on this website, and the fact that our good Serbian regulars
who aren't known for being shallow or silly that already support
of other good tennis players have given Ivanovic the thumbs up.

Tennisfan-Mtl
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:14 PM
Some people on this board are just plain cruel. Scorpioo : I don't think anything in Calimero377's post would make us believe he/she is a *hater*. I'm sorry, but you are just trying to cause trouble in here.

His questionning was legitimate and done in a manner that a lot of people in here are simply unable to demonstrate.

Tati & Dani
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:17 PM
She have a lot of talent and is a nice looking girl, so it's normally she have a lot of fans

Freakan
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:18 PM
Some people on this board are just plain cruel. Scorpioo : I don't think anything in Calimero377's post would make us believe he/she is a *hater*. I'm sorry, but you are just trying to cause trouble in here.

His questionning was legitimate and done in a manner that a lot of people in here are simply unable to demonstrate.

I think you should check some other threads and read some nice comments like "the "young hooker" style á la Ivanovic" by Calimero

Libertango
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:23 PM
The proof that she is really good is that she has a 1st big hater in you. :devil:
If she wasn't that good, why would you care? :rolleyes: :o
Go Ana :yeah:

haha :lol: GOOD point!!! I think its unfair when people say a player isn't THAT good when they haven't won a slam by 17. Everyone develops at a different pace. And anyway, Ana already is very good, her results are shoiwng that. I've only seen her once, against Momo at Dubai, and she looked really good and very promising to me!! :D

rada
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:28 PM
I think it has alot to do with those photo's that have been
posted on this website, and the fact that our good Serbian regulars
who aren't known for being shallow or silly that already support
of other good tennis players have given Ivanovic the thumbs up.


Thanks:):)

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:30 PM
Look at Enna.....she didn't win her first major until she was 21...and yet she's someone's 3rd greatest player ever, soooo...

rada
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:30 PM
Some people on this board are just plain cruel. Scorpioo : I don't think anything in Calimero377's post would make us believe he/she is a *hater*. I'm sorry, but you are just trying to cause trouble in here.

His questionning was legitimate and done in a manner that a lot of people in here are simply unable to demonstrate.


:lo: he is not a hater :lol: you should have a look at some off his post;)

Calimero377
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:33 PM
Look at Enna.....she didn't win her first major until she was 21...and yet she's someone's 3rd greatest player ever, soooo...


Same with Navi.
Won her first slam with 21. And is even 2nd greatest player ever.

But we have to consider that there are millions of tennis players who are 17 years old and will NOT win a slam in the next 4 years ...

BK4ever
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Many folks here have not even seen Ana play and yet they have alot to say just based on her early results. Ana has great groundies, a great serve and she is very aggressive...which with the right training and mental mindset will reap great rewards for her...Ana will surprise many and when she does...the bandwagon will be full :p

As for Nicole, all the elements are there...she just needs to get mentally stronger and a lil more aggressive and the top will be inevitable :D

Chunchun
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:54 PM
:rolls: :lol:

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Same with Navi.
Won her first slam with 21. And is even 2nd greatest player ever.

But we have to consider that there are millions of tennis players who are 17 years old and will NOT win a slam in the next 4 years ...

exactly....so let the time be the judge...

matthieu_tennis
Mar 28th, 2005, 03:21 PM
because she played junior a very long time that it. ;P

Martian KC
Mar 28th, 2005, 03:44 PM
She really has a lovely game. I suggest you watch her play.;)

slydevil6142
Mar 28th, 2005, 03:57 PM
I watched all her matches this week at the Nasdaq and dont be fooled her game is huge and she is going to be top ten. Quite frankly once her backhand becomes a little consistent she could be a future number one.

Đ@ŪeLess
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:01 PM
and yet again, some players that won their GS win 16 years had to retire to soon. If i have to chose if she would win a 10xGS and retire with 21 or start at 18 and play till 30 and win a couple of GS, i'd choose the other option!

DA FOREHAND
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

Notice Navratilova's name is nowhere on your list...yet when you look at the all-time list she's in the top 3! :worship:

ezekiel
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Notice Navratilova's name is nowhere on your list...yet when you look at the all-time list she's in the top 3! :worship:

And Serena too, I think Davenport didn't fit the teen sensation formula either but I am just not sure :shrug:

Calimero377
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:22 PM
I watched all her matches this week at the Nasdaq and dont be fooled her game is huge and she is going to be top ten. Quite frankly once her backhand becomes a little consistent she could be a future number one.


Not very convincing that - coming from a guy who thinks Venus will reign again ...

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:28 PM
Not very convincing that - coming from a guy who thinks Venus will reign again ...

Like we should take a person who says that a Wimbledon-less Enna is not only an all-time great, but 3rd greatest ever, seriously.

Lady
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Like we should take a person who says that a Wimbledon-less Enna is not only an all-time great, but 3rd greatest ever, seriously.

Just take a note, in the thread about Ana Ivanovic all your posts were about Justine! Overobsessed a little? :wavey:

wta whore 79
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Um Mr Cali? :wavey:

Are you not familiar with the age-restriction rule? It makes it VERY hard for younger players to have the achievements of players of old. Sharapova is the exception, not the rule.

I think Ana starting to make some damage at 17 is GREAT and I'm thinking she has a bright career in her future. :) :hearts:

Calimero377
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Just take a note, in the thread about Ana Ivanovic all your posts were about Justine! Overobsessed a little? :wavey:


He is a rabid Enna hater.
I never ever said that Juju is an all-time great. But I said sometime ago that Enna at her peak is better than his fave Serena at her peak.
That made him go ballistic ...

Fingon
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:39 PM
The question should be: How can someone consider enna their 3rd greatest or best player when she doesn't even have a wimbledon title?

talking about obsessions.

Fingon
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

all those players with the exeption of Sharapova weren't under the age eligibility rule.

Many of those players have huge support, from their tennis federation, parents, sponsors or whatever.

Ivanovic is coming from a small market, and like Sprem, has to fight her way to the top.

Plus, some players develop early, and burn out early, some take more time.

Looking at your list you can say:

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16, and was forced to retire very young because the injuries for streching her body before fully developed.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15, and burnt out at what age?
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16, one of the greatest, if not the greatest ever, you can't compare to her.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15, but never lived up to expectations
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age, another all time greatest, see Graf.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age, not everyone is Sharapova, if she is the standard then the rest of the tour can well retire.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1, and is retired at 23.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already. All but ASV and Venus were huge underachievers, and Venus is struggling now.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10, and had serious problems at 15.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15, and didn't do anything.

Calimero377
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:50 PM
...
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15, and didn't do anything.

Exactly.
And even more girls were about #50 with 17 and did even less ....

slydevil6142
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Like we should take a person who says that a Wimbledon-less Enna is not only an all-time great, but 3rd greatest ever, seriously.

Have had that sig for over a year and if Venus starts playing to her ability she will be back on top.... I was there I watched the matches and I saw her beat her oppenents by playing some of the best tennis of nay player there!

mboyle
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Some people on this board are just plain cruel. Scorpioo : I don't think anything in Calimero377's post would make us believe he/she is a *hater*. I'm sorry, but you are just trying to cause trouble in here.

His questionning was legitimate and done in a manner that a lot of people in here are simply unable to demonstrate.

Excuse us for being defensive with Crazy.

Freakan
Mar 28th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.

She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?)

Yes, she has just beaten Kuzzy :woohoo:
And Kuzzy has been playing really well in Miami :o
You're right, Ana is overrated :rolleyes:

wta whore 79
Mar 28th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Yes, she has just beaten Kuzzy :woohoo:
And Kuzzy has been playing really well in Miami :o
You're right, Ana is overrated :rolleyes:

Ana is the bomb fo' shizzle, my nizzle! :lol:

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 07:54 PM
He is a rabid Enna hater.
I never ever said that Juju is an all-time great. But I said sometime ago that Enna at her peak is better than his fave Serena at her peak.
That made him go ballistic ...

Not really...but you just didn't come with the stats to back up the claim....if you have the stats, there's no problem with me.

G1Player2
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:

Where is Serena Williams on this list?! Anyway, you KNEW exactly what you were trying to do when you left her out...;)

G1Player2
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:03 PM
He is a rabid Enna hater.
I never ever said that Juju is an all-time great. But I said sometime ago that Enna at her peak is better than his fave Serena at her peak.
That made him go ballistic ...

Please...Enna is greater having not beaten Serena on anything other than clay?
Enna has never even came close to winning a set off of Serena on any other surface other than clay, while it took JHH clawing, fighting, and scratching to a 7-5 in the 3rd win to beat Serena on her favorite surface...

Joana
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:05 PM
For God's sake, what's "Enna" got to do with all this?

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:09 PM
It's those little things.....whereas his own fav Enna isn't much better..

watrat
Mar 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM
I agree with those who say Ana has the game to become top 10 player. If she'll strech out that far I can't say, but she certainly has the potencial. If you've seen her play I'm sure you just can't oppose.

Fingon
Mar 28th, 2005, 09:38 PM
*cough*

Greenout
Mar 28th, 2005, 11:51 PM
Well..because she won me V-cash! WHoo.

No, I heard of her because she won those Challenger events in Japan
in her winning streak record. Seen the pics and the Japanese said she's
like a young Lindsay Davenport, whom they really like and respect. It was'nt
the "lolita" last year- just a bright new talent.

I then have been told many times by Serbians about their great new crop
of young players. Ana was named alot- as Fignon said she's not coming
to us via IMG or OCTAGON hype. It's more from results and a local
tournament attending and grassroots level. She wasn't featured on BBC
like Nicole talking about tennis direct from the Boliterri Academy nor
featured in American teen mags.

This is why I'm interested. I've seen some of her match from the AO against
Lindsay and it wasn't as good as the original; but there's potential.
Those "lolita" photo's totally threw for a loop, and that was out of the blue.
This is something someone in her camp has come up with and it's weird to
me. She's better looking that Maria or Nicole; but those photo's well...teenage
girls shouldn't be giving come "hither looks" if you know what I mean?

fammmmedspin
Mar 29th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Tennis changes. Age eligibility changes and with it chances and experience at a young age. Great players who win a lot young called Steffi or Monica or Martina come along rarely. The top 10 is with 2 exceptions considerably older and is stilll pretty proficient at beating rising players and sharing the points out wheras in the nineties fewer players were so dangerous. Today really promising players destined possibly for the top 20 come along in half dozens per year wheras before they came in 2s and 3s. Ana just plays better than most of them.

ezekiel
May 28th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:


How do you feel now ? :rolls: :rolls:

Pengwin
May 28th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Put into perspective: she has a better backhand than Graf :)

fammmmedspin
May 28th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Today's performance was well up there with the great arrival matches - ASV 89? Some really imaginative stuff too. She also beat the FO crowd where Martina and Serena couldn't.

Louis Cyphre
May 28th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Ana is the bomb fo' shizzle, my nizzle! :lol:
Buahahaha
The only thing that make sense in this thread :lol:

manu
May 28th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me

:scratch:

backhanddtl4
May 28th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Ivanovic would own Steffi if they played. That game has changed now, and Steffi wouldn't stand a chance in today's field.

ezekiel
May 28th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Ivanovic would own Steffi if they played. That game has changed now, and Steffi wouldn't stand a chance in today's field.

Please don't tempt Calimero :)
Steffi is a modern day goddess in tennis from now and forever

flyingmachine
May 28th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.

Tracy Austin won her first slam with 16.
Andrea Jaeger was #6 with 15.
Steffi Graf was #3 with 16.
Sabatini broke into the top 10 with 15.
Seles won her first slam with 16 and was #1 when she was Ana's age.
Sharapova won Wimbledon at that age.
Hingis had 3 slams under her belt and was #1.
Zvereva, Martinez, Manuela Maleeva, Anke Huber, ASV, Venus W. were top 10 already.
JenCap was 14 when she broke top 10.
Rinaldi, Bassett and MJ Fernandez were top 20 with 15.

What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:
Have you ever watch her play?
I watched that match against Momo today and she has talent to be great one day that's for sure.

Calimero377
May 28th, 2005, 09:11 PM
How do you feel now ? :rolls: :rolls:


:o

Have a look at who beat Mauresmo in RG in the last years.
Then come back ....

raquel
May 28th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Today's performance was well up there with the great arrival matches - ASV 89? Some really imaginative stuff too. She also beat the FO crowd where Martina and Serena couldn't.
That crowd was so tame compared to the crowd Hingis and Serena had. I saw a Mexican wave and a few whistles but none of the hostility Serena or Hingis had.

Comparing this result with ASV in 1989 is going too far I think. ASV was 17 in a GS final against Steffi Graf who had won 5 straight Slams and lost only 3/4 matches in the year and a half beforehand. Ana played Mauresmo who's never been mentally strong enough to win a Slam, in the third round in Paris where Mauresmo is always a mental flake. No comparison.

*Karen*
May 28th, 2005, 09:27 PM
It looks as though she might make it to the top ten before her 18th birthday. Whats so bad about that. Not everyone peaks at 16.

Stamp Paid
May 28th, 2005, 09:28 PM
:o

Have a look at who beat Mauresmo in RG in the last years.
Then come back ....

lmao *dead*

Calimero377
May 28th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Ivanovic would own Steffi if they played. That game has changed now, and Steffi wouldn't stand a chance in today's field.


You make my day ....


Ivanovic is #31 currently.

Good old Maggie Maleeva (30 years old) is #29. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-2 6-0 in 1st round at FO, their last match of 8 (Graf won them all).

Good old Paola Suarez (29) is #27. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-0 6-3 in 1st round at AO, their last match.

Good old Ai Sugiyama (29) is #26. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-0 6-1 in Indian Wells, their last match.


6-2 6-0
6-0 6-3
6-0 6-1

A washed-up grandma Graf in 1999 against 23/24-year-old Maggies, Paolas and Ais. Who are 29/30 today and have comparable rankings to Ivanovic.


Graf really dodged a bullet there ....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

faboozadoo15
May 28th, 2005, 09:42 PM
A washed-up grandma Graf in 1999 against 23/24-year-old Maggies, Paolas and Ais. Who are 29/30 today and have comparable rankings to Ivanovic.


Graf really dodged a bullet there ....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
ummm, this is only the second grand slam event ivanovic has played...

jimbo mack
May 28th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Ivanovic would own Steffi if they played. That game has changed now, and Steffi wouldn't stand a chance in today's field.

:rolleyes: dont be a retard, you know thats not true

stick to the topic of conversation

Shonami Slam
May 28th, 2005, 10:12 PM
hype belongs to those who enjoy stories.
hard-fact achievments belong to those who enjoy tennis.
if you look for a good connection between navi, steffi, hingis and ASV, it can be said that none were as pretty looking as ana.
but they beat her in every other department, and they were all into tennis.

RenaSlam.
May 28th, 2005, 10:14 PM
SO happy for ANa! Sad for Amelie though.

tennisjam
May 28th, 2005, 10:17 PM
great game
pretty girl

what more do you need?

Calimero377
May 28th, 2005, 10:50 PM
hype belongs to those who enjoy stories.
hard-fact achievments belong to those who enjoy tennis.
if you look for a good connection between navi, steffi, hingis and ASV, it can be said that none were as pretty looking as ana.
but they beat her in every other department, and they were all into tennis.


None were as .... ??

When Ana is voted the most beautiful female player by her ATP colleagues or by the AO spectators come back!

BTW, Graf was (in 95 & 94). :worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:
Sabatini was 2nd each time ... :worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:

:)

ezekiel
May 28th, 2005, 11:07 PM
None were as .... ??

When Ana is voted the most beautiful female player by her ATP colleagues or by the AO spectators come back!

BTW, Graf was (in 95 & 94). :worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:
Sabatini was 2nd each time ... :worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:

:)

You are right , Steffie and her nose could win a miss universe if so desired :rolleyes:
http://home.arcor.de/biggybean/nose/graf.jpg

Calimero377
May 28th, 2005, 11:13 PM
You are right , Steffie and her nose could win a miss universe if so desired :rolleyes:
...

Yes ...
http://www.ungwada.fsnet.co.uk/steffigraf377.jpg
:worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:

ezekiel
May 28th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Yes ...
http://www.ungwada.fsnet.co.uk/steffigraf377.jpg
:worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:

before you get all wet, ever heard of photoshop? :rolleyes:

Calimero377
May 28th, 2005, 11:37 PM
before you get all wet, ever heard of photoshop? :rolleyes:

An adorable nose ....
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3298/sgwwf4.jpg
And the rest isn't bad either.
:worship: :hearts: :drool: :worship:

manu32
May 28th, 2005, 11:58 PM
and talentuous girl......

SM
May 29th, 2005, 12:02 AM
she looks like pinochio :tape:

Cris Senior
May 29th, 2005, 12:26 AM
Neutral tennis fans like me are simply shell-shocked by the hype around a young player called Ana Ivanovic.


She is #50 in the WTA rankings and has never beaten a top 20 opponent until now, IIRC (maybe she will beat Kuzzy today?). She is already 17 years and 4 months old however.



What is this with Ivanovic?
:confused:
Calimero you are ill-intentioned little creep! And unbelievably ignorant of tennis facts. I you had bothered to check the facts you'd found out tha Ana Ivanovic had already beaten SIX TOP TWENTY players previous to having beaten Mauresmo yesterday.SIX!! And you claim NONE? You are amazingly and cheaply cynical.
Now, of those SIX, THREE are top 10's: Kuznetsova and Petrova (at Miami 05),
and Zvonareva who was No.10 at Warsaw/05.The other ones are:Dechy (16) at Warsaw/05,Golovin (20) at Zurich (04) and Asagoe (21) at Luxembourg (04)
In addition,consider that in 2004 she won FIVE ITF tournaments and that in her second WTA tournament in Zurich , as a qualifier reached the third round where she fad set points against Venus Williams.She also reached the Junior finals at Wimbledon in 04.
Furthermore,to emphazise your embarrising ignorance of tennis facts,she has been a top thirty player for a t least EIGHT weeks since MIami.
Can you abstain from posting until you obtain some basic knowledge of tennis?
Do you have any concept of personal shame?
Cris Senior

Calimero377
May 29th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Calimero you are ill-intentioned little creep! And unbelievably ignorant of tennis facts. I you had bothered to check the facts you'd found out tha Ana Ivanovic had already beaten SIX TOP TWENTY players previous to having beaten Mauresmo yesterday.SIX!! And you claim NONE? You are amazingly and cheaply cynical.
Now, of those SIX, THREE are top 10's: Kuznetsova and Petrova (at Miami 05),
and Zvonareva who was No.10 at Warsaw/05.The other ones are:Dechy (16) at Warsaw/05,Golovin (20) at Zurich (04) and Asagoe (21) at Luxembourg (04) ...


Seniordumbo, when I posted this on ***March 28th, 2005,*** Ivanovic hadn't beaten Kuzzy in Miami 2005, hadn't beaten Zvonareva or Dechy in Warsaw 2005.
Golovin and Asagoe weren't top20 at the time of Zurich 2004 and Luxembourg 2004 (Asagoe never ever was top20).
OK, Petrova probably was top20 when Ana beat her on March 24th .... Wow ....


...
In addition,consider that in 2004 she won FIVE ITF tournaments and that in her second WTA tournament in Zurich , as a qualifier reached the third round where she fad set points against Venus Williams.She also reached the Junior finals at Wimbledon in 04.
Furthermore,to emphazise your embarrising ignorance of tennis facts,she has been a top thirty player for a t least EIGHT weeks since MIami.
Can you abstain from posting until you obtain some basic knowledge of tennis?
Do you have any concept of personal shame?
Cris Senior


ITF tournaments?
Your point being?

Having had set points against Venus?
Your point being?

Reaching Junior finals at Wimbledon?
Your point being?

A top30 player ***since*** Miami?
Your point being?

You are an annoying little dickhead with no concept of personal shame whatsoever and very limited reading capabilities.
And most definitely no lawyer. Because even in the U.S. they have certain minimum standards ...

:wavey:


BTW, the current top30 take illegal drugs every day ... :p

Calimero377
May 29th, 2005, 01:52 AM
she looks like pinochio :tape:


You must be gay!

Davenselesport
May 29th, 2005, 01:59 AM
To answer the question... same reason people hyped 'stars' like:

-Dementieva in 2000
-Hantuchova after winning Indian Wells
-even players like Bedanova in the early 2000s
-Ashley Harkleroad
etc. etc...

If someone this young is making any bit of noise... it will be heard... legitimate or not.

Cris Senior
May 29th, 2005, 05:04 AM
Seniordumbo, o, when I posted this on ***March 28th, 2005,*** Ivanovic hadn't beaten Kuzzy in Miami 2005, hadn't beaten Zvonareva or Dechy in Warsaw 2005.
Golovin and Asagoe weren't top20 at the time of Zurich 2004 and Luxembourg 2004 (Asagoe never ever was top20).
OK, Petrova probably was top20 when Ana beat her on March 24th .... Wow .... on ***March 28th, 2005,*** Ivanovic hadn't beaten Kuzzy in Miami 2005, hadn't beaten Zvonareva or Dechy in Warsaw 2005.
Golovin and Asagoe weren't top20 at the time of Zurich 2004 and Luxembourg 2004 (Asagoe never ever was top20).
OK, Petrova probably was top20 when Ana beat her on March 24th .... Wow ....





ITF tournaments?
Your point being?

Having had set points against Venus?
Your point being?

Reaching Junior finals at Wimbledon?
Your point being?

A top30 player ***since*** Miami?
Your point being?

You are an annoying little dickhead with no concept of personal shame whatsoever and very limited reading capabilities.
And most definitely no lawyer. Because even in the U.S. they have certain minimum standards ...

:wavey:


BTW, the current top30 take illegal drugs every day ... :p

To begin with,can you come up with phrases and concepts of your own invention instead of mindlessly lifting mine and using them as yours?
It is not a sign of high IQ to resort to this/But what can we expect from you?
Now that we've caught you with your pants down,you claim that your post is from March! Yeah, sure! As far as any one can tell, this thread was posted on May 28,yesterday rigfht after Ana's victory. Another lie from you. And even in the bizarre case of a time warp ,such that you did posted it in March and it showed up yestearday in this forum,what is this point of doing this? What kind of pills are you taking? To lose the sense of time is a sign of metal deragement.
And following your bizarre logical time reasoning,we can tell you back :"Well, Petrova, Zvonareva, Dechy,etc, were not alive in the 1950's,Wow,Wow!"
If you don't know what can kind of achievement it is for a 16 yr old girl is to :1-win 5 ITF tournaments in one year,2- Reach the Juniors Final at Wimbledon and 3- Push Venus Williams to set points in just your second pro match, then you are a tennis imbecile that shouldn't be posting in a forum like this.
In what respect to your other stupid comments, I imagine you are referring to
mine on that thread for pervs like you titled "Anal sex in the WTAtour". Let me tell you, the administrators of this forum must've paid attention to what I said because the thread has been erased from the forum and your buddy, Mr. Roddickgaylover seems to has been suspended.
Mr Calimero, you exhibit a pathological sociopathic type of behavior .I spend a lot of my pro-bono time trying to keep little creeps like you away from jail.I sincerely hope that you have someone looking after you because your case doesn't seem to have a bright future. You are too non-chalant in smearing others,especially respectable athletes,whom you childishly call anal freaks and drug addicts at will! without any mental awareness of the serious consequences it has for yourself. Evidently,in addition to your sociopathy, your level of education seems to be extremely low. It is too bad nobody has schooled you in the concepts of proof and factual verification before you open your filthy mouth.
Now coming back to the great Ana Ivanovic,let me tell you, that I am a friend with Bob Antonovic, one of her managers and with the people at DH Management,the PR Swiss firm that represents her in her business and legal affairs and ,let me tell you, if I catch you posting any smears about Ms. Ivanovic sexual preferences, drug taking or whatever, I'll proceed to inform them about your case. Now, make no mistake about the fact that any PR_legal firm is very conscious of protecting the impecable reputation and image of their clients and,consequently,they will proceed without hesitation to come after mindless morons like you.
Finally, this is a forum whose major purpose is to discuss interesting matters of tennis and not to insult,degrade and devalue the players and the members of the forum that disagree with your stupidities. If you don't stop your infantile.vicioius type of postings on your own,I am sure the administrators of the site will take care of it.
CS
PS Take that German flag off next to your name,you are disgrace to your nation.

Veritas
May 29th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Today's performance was well up there with the great arrival matches - ASV 89? Some really imaginative stuff too. She also beat the FO crowd where Martina and Serena couldn't.

Kudos to Ana for handling a bunch of overbearing fools, but her situation could not compare to the constant heckling, booing, cat calls and whistles that dogged Martina and Serena when they played their infamous matches in Paris. Plus, add to the fact that Martina and Serena were playing at a much bigger stage in a Grand Slam draw, the pressure would've been more intense - they had something to lose, while Ana here had none.

Calimero377
May 29th, 2005, 08:51 AM
To begin with,can you come up with phrases and concepts of your own invention instead of mindlessly lifting mine and using them as yours? ....


I'm debunking every single assertion of yours.
Piece.By.Piece.

...
It is not a sign of high IQ to resort to this/But what can we expect from you?
Now that we've caught you with your pants down,you claim that your post is from March! Yeah, sure! As far as any one can tell, this thread was posted on May 28,yesterday rigfht after Ana's victory. Another lie from you. And even in the bizarre case of a time warp ,such that you did posted it in March and it showed up yestearday in this forum,what is this point of doing this? What kind of pills are you taking? To lose the sense of time is a sign of metal deragement. ....


What do you think the "Mar 28th, 2005" on my thread-starting post means?
Hmm?
Why did I refer to an upcoming Ivanovic-Kuzzy match that very day?
Hmmmm ??
And why do sometimes old posts pop up again in this forum? Sometimes even from 2001 or so? Maybe because someone makes a new post in an old thread? Could it be?
Hmmmmmm???
What do you think, Retardo?


...
And following your bizarre logical time reasoning,we can tell you back :"Well, Petrova, Zvonareva, Dechy,etc, were not alive in the 1950's,Wow,Wow!"
If you don't know what can kind of achievement it is for a 16 yr old girl is to :1-win 5 ITF tournaments in one year,2- Reach the Juniors Final at Wimbledon and 3- Push Venus Williams to set points in just your second pro match, then you are a tennis imbecile that shouldn't be posting in a forum like this.
....

Hingis, Graf, Seles, Capriati, Austin, ASV, Sabatini and all the other great players didn't even play minor ITF tournaments any more at age 16. They won Tier I or even slam tournaments, were #3, #2 or #1 in the world.
Pushing Venus to something as sign of greatness? That's a really good one, Dumbo ..... :lol:


...
In what respect to your other stupid comments, I imagine you are referring to
mine on that thread for pervs like you titled "Anal sex in the WTAtour". Let me tell you, the administrators of this forum must've paid attention to what I said because the thread has been erased from the forum and your buddy, Mr. Roddickgaylover seems to has been suspended.
Mr Calimero, you exhibit a pathological sociopathic type of behavior .I spend a lot of my pro-bono time trying to keep little creeps like you away from jail. ...
:lol:

Pro-Bono time?
I can't stand U2-fanboys!

BTW, Dumbo, the admins don't need you to erase a thread about anal sex ...


...

<a lot of Senior drivel mercyfully del>

Now coming back to the great Ana Ivanovic,let me tell you, that I am a friend with Bob Antonovic, one of her managers and with the people at DH Management,the PR Swiss firm that represents her in her business and legal affairs and ,let me tell you, if I catch you posting any smears about Ms. Ivanovic sexual preferences, drug taking or whatever, I'll proceed to inform them about your case. Now, make no mistake about the fact that any PR_legal firm is very conscious of protecting the impecable reputation and image of their clients and,consequently,they will proceed without hesitation to come after mindless morons like you.
Finally, this is a forum whose major purpose is to discuss interesting matters of tennis and not to insult,degrade and devalue the players and the members of the forum that disagree with your stupidities. If you don't stop your infantile.vicioius type of postings on your own,I am sure the administrators of the site will take care of it.
CS
PS Take that German flag off next to your name,you are disgrace to your nation.

:lol:

I will start a thread about Ms. Ivanovic and ask the forum about her supposed sexual preferences later today. As long as there is no "smear" no-one can say anything bad about me, no?
What do you think Ana prefers?
:nerner:

And which drugs does she take?
Only her heart pills or something else?
Modern energy bars?
:nerner:


You and a lawyer, Dumbo?
In which country?
North Korea?


"Mar 28th, 2005" .............
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Cris Senior
May 29th, 2005, 10:13 AM
[QUOTE=Calimero377]I'm debunking every single assertion of yours.
Piece.By.Piece.
You are not debunking any thing I posted,and the only thing coming apart piece by piece is your pathetic little mind.
The General Messages page which lists all the threads doesn't post any date except the date of the day,on one hand .On the other hand, as I said before, the important issue here is not the date of your original post itself, but to consider what is the point of bringing back some stupid comment of yours from two months ago, right after a player achieves a great victory.One can not see any other reason except one out of plain cheap viciousness,one out of some very sick need you have inside yourself to devalue, degrade and depreciate others and their achievements. There is really not other issue here. Do you really think is fun to do this to others? You are a very sad case, a devo-mutant; you need urgent help and, believe me, I am not being ironic.
Your logical reasoning continues to be appalling: So just because Hingis and a few others didn't play ITF's then it follows that the ones who do are inferior!
Really unbelievable! I could give you a long list of great players who started
that route begining with Sampras and Agassi, but why bother with you, you are not really interested in tennis perf se, you use tennis to satisfy your vicious needs of insulting others.For instance, to demean Venus Williams as one of the great players of late,is just laughable and akin to demeaning yourself .
Where did I say,by the way, that the administrators need me to erase a thread? Is your IQ that low you can't understand a simple phrase?
Now in what respects to my warnings about your smears of Anna Ivanovic, I really meant what I said .About your intentions to continue your campaign of denigrations against Ana, I'll proceed to inform of it to Bob Antonovic and the staff of DH management .
I couldn't care less what a clownish parolee popinjay like you think of me as a lawyer, but I can assure you that I and,certainly,the legal staff of DH-M, knows how to legally proceed to obtain the database records of a public forum like this one,when used for defamation of public figures like tennis players, and find out your real persona,the one cowardly hiding behind your pseudonym. I challenge you to be a man and reveal your real name!
Cris Senior

Calimero377
May 29th, 2005, 10:45 AM
[QUOTE=Calimero377]I'm debunking every single assertion of yours.
Piece.By.Piece.
You are not debunking any thing I posted,and the only thing coming apart piece by piece is your pathetic little mind.
The General Messages page which lists all the threads doesn't post any date except the date of the day,on one hand .On the other hand, as I said before, the important issue here is not the date of your original post itself, but to consider what is the point of bringing back some stupid comment of yours from two months ago, right after a player achieves a great victory.One can not see any other reason except one out of plain cheap viciousness,one out of some very sick need you have inside yourself to devalue, degrade and depreciate others and their achievements. There is really not other issue here. Do you really think is fun to do this to others? You are a very sad case, a devo-mutant; you need urgent help and, believe me, I am not being ironic.
Your logical reasoning continues to be appalling: So just because Hingis and a few others didn't play ITF's then it follows that the ones who do are inferior!
Really unbelievable! I could give you a long list of great players who started
that route begining with Sampras and Agassi, but why bother with you, you are not really interested in tennis perf se, you use tennis to satisfy your vicious needs of insulting others.For instance, to demean Venus Williams as one of the great players of late,is just laughable and akin to demeaning yourself .
Where did I say,by the way, that the administrators need me to erase a thread? Is your IQ that low you can't understand a simple phrase?
Now in what respects to my warnings about your smears of Anna Ivanovic, I really meant what I said .About your intentions to continue your campaign of denigrations against Ana, I'll proceed to inform of it to Bob Antonovic and the staff of DH management .
I couldn't care less what a clownish parolee popinjay like you think of me as a lawyer, but I can assure you that I and,certainly,the legal staff of DH-M, knows how to legally proceed to obtain the database records of a public forum like this one,when used for defamation of public figures like tennis players, and find out your real persona,the one cowardly hiding behind your pseudonym. I challenge you to be a man and reveal your real name!
Cris Senior


1) Learn to quote.

2) Learn to read the date of the thread-starter's post.

3) I didn't bring my post back. A Ivanovic did it to demonstrated Ana's development in the last 2 months.

4) You are the one with your pants at your ankles because of 2)and 3).

5) You have insulted me personally again and again in this thread. In a legally relevant style. You should care more for your own affairs than about Ivanovic's, buddy ....

6) I will start a thread about Ana's sexual preferences within the next hours. And about her munching energy bars.

7) Boody amateur ... :lol:

vutt
May 29th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Her physical talents are huge and she seems to posses high IQ...

No questions about her physical abilities, but I have not seen her IQ on court in heavy use. To me she's just another power hitter. Even her shot selection from baseline seems kind of ordinary. Raw spectacular power have carried her so far and no doubt she's very good doing it. :worship:


to blablabla: Your racist comments about me are welcome as usual :wavey:

genius
May 29th, 2005, 06:25 PM
I will tell the starter of thread he/she is going the wrong way about it.

Young talents are hyped based on *potential*.that's the keyword.they may show glimpses of high skills and future potential but they are raw and unevolved

It does not mean they are finished products at the highest level of the game and ready to thrash top opponents left and right. Actually they are inexperienced unevolved players who will have to develop their game and mental maturity to eventually be the *package* that will become top players.

Citing the past and other early achieving individuals is shaky for various reasons.Individuals may have different circumstances,resources,problems that may either facilitate or adversely affect their ability to nurture their talent and eventually the timing of the results.

For instance Sharapova is mentioned there but wud she have nurtured her talent as early if she had stayed back at home instead of going to US at a famed academy?

Another is comparing eras is difficult since the game as well as people and environment keep evolving.

So Its not appropriate often to question young talented players based on current results when they are actually in the early stages of process of learning the game at this level and a long way from their full potential!

Joana
May 29th, 2005, 06:29 PM
No questions about her physical abilities, but I have not seen her IQ on court in heavy use. To me she's just another power hitter. Even her shot selection from baseline seems kind of ordinary. Raw spectacular power have carried her so far and no doubt she's very good doing it. :worship:


to blablabla: Your racist comments about me are welcome as usual :wavey:

I basically agree, but I think her game is evolving, yesterday against Mauresmo she showed some new things to her game, very fine touch at the net a few times, some good dropshots etc. Hopefully she will keep it up. ;)

Cris Senior
May 29th, 2005, 11:10 PM
[QUOTE=Cris Senior]


1) Learn to quote.

2) Learn to read the date of the thread-starter's post.

3) I didn't bring my post back. A Ivanovic did it to demonstrated Ana's development in the last 2 months.

4) You are the one with your pants at your ankles because of 2)and 3).

5) You have insulted me personally again and again in this thread. In a legally relevant style. You should care more for your own affairs than about Ivanovic's, buddy ....

6) I will start a thread about Ana's sexual preferences within the next hours. And about her munching energy bars.

7) Boody amateur ... :lol:
About point 1-I am using the quote function creatively, as I please, but it is easy to see that creativity is an alien and impenetrable concept to you. Your lack of imagination, is not anybody's else burden.
About points 2-3 I have already told you that the issue here is not really the date,but that regardless of it, you did so to put down Ana's achievements, which you proved again and again as I posted her numerous accomplishments. Your only response was to continue to devalue her, post after post, which reveals that you have a nasty,mean streak deep inside yourself .You confirm this again in the threats you make in your own puerile point 6.
This imperative push within you to try to humiliate others is of course powered by the anonimity of the forum wich allows you to turn into a cowardly virtual-sadist and a cyber-bully of severe proportions.But as I said this anonimity can easily be legally finished. In real life you are probably one of those limp wimps that are butt kicked daily at school, so you are taking your cyber revenge now.
But your sociopathic behavior doesn't stop here, as one can find you easily stoking the fire in those athlete-insulting, perv threads about "anal sex" preferences of tennis players who you personally don't even know.
So why don't you call your freak sex-thread poster buddy,Roddickgaylover, and get together in that dark alley you usually meet?
CS
PS Did your grandfather worked at Buchenwald? Or was it at Dachau?

Piotr'ek
May 29th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Schiavone will stop her, juts like she stopped Nicole

Tennisaddict
May 29th, 2005, 11:23 PM
she looks like pinochio :tape:

You took the words right out of my mouth :lol:

Since this thread is about Ana Ivanovic the rising young talented Serbian and not about Graf :rolleyes: I will say this: barring injury Ana will be a consistent future top player and she could well reach the nr 1 position with the right attributes.There's no use comparing her to Graf and other past champions by the way since this a different tennis era with a progressed game. I know I'm talking to a deaf men's ear though.
Obsessions.....................

Cris Senior
May 29th, 2005, 11:36 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth :lol:

Since this thread is about Ana Ivanovic the rising young talented Serbian and not about Graf :rolleyes: I will say this: barring injury Ana will be a consistent future top player and she could well reach the nr 1 position with the right attributes.There's no use comparing her to Graf and other past champions by the way since this a different tennis era with a progressed game. I know I'm talking to a deaf men's ear though.
Obsessions.....................
Your conclusion is right, but you are missing the main point:This thread was started by Calimero to put down the accomplishments of Ana right after her great triumph over Mauresmo at ROG. Then,to reinforce his twisted logic,in a pan-germanic fashion, he gratuitously introduced the theme of Steffi Graff.
You are right this is a non-sense. out of context comparison.
CS

*JR*
May 30th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Your conclusion is right, but you are missing the main point:This thread was started by Calimero to put down the accomplishments of Ana right after her great triumph over Mauresmo at ROG. Then,to reinforce his twisted logic,in a pan-germanic fashion, he gratuitously introduced the theme of Steffi Graff.
You are right this is a non-sense. out of context comparison.
CS
Uh, Cris: I agree that Ana is a great new talent, and Steffi need not have been dragged into this. But I skewer PP's Career Conman husband Rainer Hofmann without saying that he Committed Crimes in a "pan-Germanic fashion". There are good and bad people of every nationality.

Cris Senior
May 30th, 2005, 01:13 AM
Uh, Cris: I agree that Ana is a great new talent, and Steffi need not have been dragged into this. But I skewer PP's Career Conman husband Rainer Hofmann without saying that he Committed Crimes in a "pan-Germanic fashion". There are good and bad people of every nationality.
Itotally agree with your opinion about humanity.I said "pan-germanic" because of the gratuitous way he brought Steffi here.He even posted gigantic overwhelming photos of her unnecessarily,giving the impression that German players are the only benchmark in tennis.
I know of that German parolee Hofmann, but who is "PP" ?
CS

*JR*
May 30th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Itotally agree with your opinion about humanity.I said "pan-germanic" because of the gratuitous way he brought Steffi here.He even posted gigantic overwhelming photos of her unnecessarily,giving the impression that German players are the only benchmark in tennis.
I know of that German parolee Hofmann, but who is "PP" ?
CS
Peppermint Patty, the Cuckoo Clock he rescued from the OJ guru and later married.

Cris Senior
May 30th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Peppermint Patty, the Cuckoo Clock he rescued from the OJ guru and later married.
He actually didn't "rescue" her. He was hired by her naive parents out of a "security agency" ad he had posted in newspapers and then he did a "Patty Hearst" number on her.
I know about the OJ story but where does the "pepermint" surname comes from" ?
CS

spencercarlos
May 30th, 2005, 03:26 AM
Your conclusion is right, but you are missing the main point:This thread was started by Calimero to put down the accomplishments of Ana right after her great triumph over Mauresmo at ROG. Then,to reinforce his twisted logic,in a pan-germanic fashion, he gratuitously introduced the theme of Steffi Graff.
You are right this is a non-sense. out of context comparison.
CS
Sr. Cris Senior..
Calimero (Cal) is boring... already washed out, and predictable, so donīt lose your valuable time arguing with him, because as MANY, believe me MANY times he has proved us what he is made of...

backhanddtl4
May 30th, 2005, 04:35 AM
You make my day ....


Ivanovic is #31 currently.

Good old Maggie Maleeva (30 years old) is #29. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-2 6-0 in 1st round at FO, their last match of 8 (Graf won them all).

Good old Paola Suarez (29) is #27. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-0 6-3 in 1st round at AO, their last match.

Good old Ai Sugiyama (29) is #26. Graf beat her 6 years ago 6-0 6-1 in Indian Wells, their last match.


6-2 6-0
6-0 6-3
6-0 6-1

A washed-up grandma Graf in 1999 against 23/24-year-old Maggies, Paolas and Ais. Who are 29/30 today and have comparable rankings to Ivanovic.


Graf really dodged a bullet there ....
:lol: :lol: :lol:



6 years ago huh? Oh, because all of these people don't have the ability to improve over time?

backhanddtl4
May 30th, 2005, 04:37 AM
Oh, and Steffi's nose has got to be the most unattractive feature ever, in the history of women's existence.

PointBlank
May 30th, 2005, 04:43 AM
Same with Navi.
Won her first slam with 21. And is even 2nd greatest player ever.


2nd to none.

mandy7
May 30th, 2005, 07:02 AM
ana is just damn good!!!! :D

Tennisaddict
May 30th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Your conclusion is right, but you are missing the main point:This thread was started by Calimero to put down the accomplishments of Ana right after her great triumph over Mauresmo at ROG. Then,to reinforce his twisted logic,in a pan-germanic fashion, he gratuitously introduced the theme of Steffi Graff.
You are right this is a non-sense. out of context comparison.
CS

I know why Calimero started this thread but I was ignoring his intentions on purpose and mainly posted in this thread because I wanted to celebrate Ivanovic's accomplishments. I've read many of his/her threads in the past and they're :retard:. You can't reason with him/her so I don't even bother but when he/she makes a thread about one of my faves just to stir up a discussion again about Graf then I''ll post comments that are related to Ivanovic to sort of boycot his/her pathetic obsessed intentions.

gg
May 30th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Here's some more perspective - Ivanovic def. Schiavone 6-4, 6-7(3), 6-3

Calimero377
May 30th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Oh, and Steffi's nose has got to be the most unattractive feature ever, in the history of women's existence.


:lol:

THAT from a Venus fan!

Good one ....
;)

Cris Senior
May 31st, 2005, 12:29 AM
Sr. Cris Senior..
Calimero (Cal) is boring... already washed out, and predictable, so donīt lose your valuable time arguing with him, because as MANY, believe me MANY times he has proved us what he is made of...
You are totally right.Calimero doesn't post positive,constructive,interesting threads. He?she only posts negative ones. He?she is only interested in devaluing and degrading others.He?she is like a psychic vampire feeding on the energies he?she extracts from othersr through his derisive negativity.
But on the other hand, why concede the forum to cyber bullies like him? Or to any other genetic mutant freak that seems to have been born without the human faculty of altruism and empathy toward others?
He?she should take the red pill and disappear from this Matrix.
CS

Cris Senior
May 31st, 2005, 01:38 AM
I know why Calimero started this thread but I was ignoring his intentions on purpose and mainly posted in this thread because I wanted to celebrate Ivanovic's accomplishments. I've read many of his/her threads in the past and they're :retard:. You can't reason with him/her so I don't even bother but when he/she makes a thread about one of my faves just to stir up a discussion again about Graf then I''ll post comments that are related to Ivanovic to sort of boycot his/her pathetic obsessed intentions.
See my reply above.
On the other hand,Ana's game speak for herself. Her two back to back victories, especially the one against Mauresmo where she had to withstand the fierce negaitive cheering of 15,000 fans was a baptism of fire wich will carry her far from now on. Ditto her third set come from behind victory over Shciavone
CS

LesViolettes
May 31st, 2005, 01:39 AM
Oh, and Steffi's nose has got to be the most unattractive feature ever, in the history of women's existence.Hey, insult Cali, not Steffi. Poor girl. She can't help it. She doesn't pay him to post obsessively on here (although if she did, it would explain a lot).

mandy7
May 31st, 2005, 06:41 AM
Here's some more perspective - Ivanovic def. Schiavone 6-4, 6-7(3), 6-3

:worship:

rada
May 31st, 2005, 06:50 AM
ana rules :)