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SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:21 PM
late in the 2nd set after she stretched Peer wide and Peer almost got the ball over the net right at Serena! :eek: Talk about Jekyl and Hyde! She seemed so calm and collected after the match. But she was definitely yelling "C'mon" at Peer's unforced errors, so non-Sharapova fans can now get off Maria's back for doing that. :rolleyes:

Stamp Paid
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:23 PM
Was she mouthing this to herself or to Shahar?

Meteor Shower
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:23 PM
omg.. I don't believe it. :o

LeRoy.
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Classless. It will be nice to see delusional fans defending her actions. :)

kiwifan
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:24 PM
:yawn: Why are the Seles fans always starting trouble :p

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM
To herself I presume. Peer was not in a postion to see her say it.

Foot_Fault
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM
she did say that she tried to hit me, and called her a bitch...but she didn't C'mon her UE's you're a liar. She c'mon'ed Forcing shots for FORCED ERRORS not long balls or netted balls or DF.

You're a shit starter. Besides, I see nothing wrong with what Maria does on court. They are pumping themselves by any means necessary. But she did stare and say, "Bitch, tried to hit me!" I fell out Laughing. But she asked at the end of the match and said sorry and thank you.

Rocketta
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM
She did not say that....what match were you watching? For one she immediately turned after the point and was yelling and I'm wondering how you could catch that many words? :(

alexusjonesfan
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM
I say that all the time :p

harloo
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:27 PM
The obsession with Serena on this board is astounding. When you start trying to read her lips you are obsessed.

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:27 PM
she did say that she tried to hit me, and called her a bitch...but she didn't C'mon her UE's you're a liar. She c'mon'ed Forcing shots for FORCED ERRORS not long balls or netted balls or DF.

You're a shit starter. Besides, I see nothing wrong with what Maria does on court. They are pumping themselves by any means necessary. But she did stare and say, "Bitch, tried to hit me!" I fell out Laughing. But she asked at the end of the match and said sorry and thank you.

Did you watch the match? She clearly was saying "C'mon" when Peer hit several shots into the net. Besides, I never said there was anything wrong with it, just saying people should get off Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

Foot_Fault
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:28 PM
omg.. I don't believe it. :o
All you Self-Righteous ass people need a Zoloft. You have never utter anything about anyone? Slay me. She didnt say it to the girl. I was in the elevator with this person on Friday, and they were FuNKy. And i stated to myself, Damn this Hoe needs a bath.

We've all done it. Driving in a car, and an almost wreck...you say...Stupid Bitch almost hit me. Stop acting like you guys are sooo :angel: .

Tennisaddict
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:29 PM
She did not say that....what match were you watching? For one she immediately turned after the point and was yelling and I'm wondering how you could catch that many words? :(

That's what I'm thinking too, how can he/she have heard Serena say that?
Seems like they're trying to stir up things that are not there :rolleyes:.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Why didn't Serena just shout it out? Especially if she felt so strongly about it? Just mouthing it? Sure...

GoDominique
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:30 PM
The obsession with Serena on this board is astounding. When you start trying to read her lips you are obsessed.
Uh it wasn't THAT difficult to read "Fuck you" from her lips when she played Loit. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen this match so I can't comment. Wouldn't be surprised though if she said that.

Meteor Shower
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:30 PM
All you Self-Righteous ass people need a Zoloft. You have never utter anything about anyone? Slay me. She didnt say it to the girl. I was in the elevator with this person on Friday, and they were FuNKy. And i stated to myself, Damn this Hoe needs a bath.

We've all done it. Driving in a car, and an almost wreck...you stay...Stupid Bitch almost hit me. Stop acting like you guys are sooo :angel: .

And scaring a poor 17 years old who adores you in the net, thrash talking to her? is that ok?

Stamp Paid
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Did you watch the match? She clearly was saying "C'mon" when Peer hit several shots into the net. Besides, I never said there was anything wrong with it, just saying people should get off Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

Tha would make sense if ONLY Serena fans had an issue with Maria's fist pumps, then you could say, "Your favorite does it, so stop being hypocritical." But the same people (other than some Williams fans) who hate Maria for being loud and fist pumping hate Serena for the same reasons.

You are attempted to indict Williams fans implicitly with the "Serena does it too," but its not going to work. More than Williams fans hate Maria.

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:32 PM
That's what I'm thinking too, how can he/she have heard Serena say that?
Seems like they're trying to stir up things that are not there :rolleyes:.

It was on TV here in America, and she said it, okay? Nothing wrong with a heat of the moment comment, I was just trying to state that Sharapova gets flack doing some things Serena did today. I should've known better. :rolleyes:

victory1
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:33 PM
late in the 2nd set after she stretched Peer wide and Peer almost got the ball over the net right at Serena! :eek: Talk about Jekyl and Hyde! She seemed so calm and collected after the match. But she was definitely yelling "C'mon" at Peer's unforced errors, so non-Sharapova fans can now get off Maria's back for doing that. :rolleyes:

What's wrong with ypour DUMBASS people. I just told you guys, I have the match TIVO!

Read my lips! IT NEVER HAPPENED! People think they hear things in a few swcond until you play it back. For those of you who have the match tape, play it again! I'll say it once more IT NEVER HAPPENED!!:lol:

Foot_Fault
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:34 PM
She did not say that....what match were you watching? For one she immediately turned after the point and was yelling and I'm wondering how you could catch that many words? :(y y
Sorry Rocketta, I am a Williams Fan, and I took my TIVO back 5 to six times, she said, under her breath, "Bitch, tried to hit me." I laughed. B/c i was thinking ASV said that when Serena did it. And the reason she had 900 other options but opted to go at her. So that was frustration. You all have no ideal the level of intensity out ther...she asked the chick and said sorry and thank you.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:34 PM
What's wrong with ypour DUMBASS people. I just told you guys, I have the match TIVO!

Read my lips! IT NEVER HAPPENED! People think they hear things in a few swcond until you play it back. For those of you who have the match tape, play it again! I'll say it once more IT NEVER HAPPENED!!:lol:

It shouldn't be surprising that people are making things up against Serena.

PaulieM
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:34 PM
it did look like she tried to hit her. and i don't rememeber her saying bitch, i tought she asked "did she try to hit me??" :confused:

Foot_Fault
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:35 PM
And scaring a poor 17 years old who adores you in the net, thrash talking to her? is that ok?

Ok, Jesus Christ. I get your point:rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:36 PM
What's wrong with ypour DUMBASS people. I just told you guys, I have the match TIVO!

Read my lips! IT NEVER HAPPENED! People think they hear things in a few swcond until you play it back. For those of you who have the match tape, play it again! I'll say it once more IT NEVER HAPPENED!!:lol:

I have the match on tape (I can't afford TIVO :o )...she said it. The replay showed her mouthing it. :angel:

LindsayRocks89
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:36 PM
What's wrong with ypour DUMBASS people. I just told you guys, I have the match TIVO!

Read my lips! IT NEVER HAPPENED! People think they hear things in a few swcond until you play it back. For those of you who have the match tape, play it again! I'll say it once more IT NEVER HAPPENED!!:lol:

i agree 100 percent

mishar
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:37 PM
And scaring a poor 17 years old who adores you in the net, thrash talking to her? is that ok?

C'mon ASAP. I doubt Shahar is so sensitive that she'd be upset about that. In fact, she should be thrilled that she got Serena irritated because it means she was playing well. She can adore Serena all she wants, but her purpose on the court is not to get Serena to like her back, but to try to annoy the fuck out of her and beat her.

Oneofakind0490
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:38 PM
Ok. Im surprised from Serena calling her opponent a bitch. I just hope people wont be mad at Serena for months for this inncedent.

DaNieLa RoCkZ
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:38 PM
Serena was only yelling c'mon when she forced the errors.. Shahar on the other hand was yelling come on when she hit a net cord and when Serena was hitting the ball out.. anyone who saw the match could tesitfy.. Anyway... it was sooo disapointing to see Serena just tap the ball over when she never usually plays that way.. She wasnt hitting the ball hard as she usually does and Shahar was just moon balling.

Rocketta
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:39 PM
What's wrong with ypour DUMBASS people. I just told you guys, I have the match TIVO!

Read my lips! IT NEVER HAPPENED! People think they hear things in a few swcond until you play it back. For those of you who have the match tape, play it again! I'll say it once more IT NEVER HAPPENED!!:lol:


I went back and looked and during the slow mo.....I read her lips to say, "I know that witch didn't just try to hit me" :o See what being a non-skilled lip reader gets you.....a bunch of different answers. :lol:

Meteor Shower
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:39 PM
C'mon ASAP. I doubt Shahar is so sensitive that she'd be upset about that. In fact, she should be thrilled that she got Serena irritated because it means she was playing well. She can adore Serena all she wants, but her purpose on the court is not to get Serena to like her back, but to try to annoy the fuck out of her and beat her.

You are right. But its still doesn't make it right ;)
I wonder what Shahar will say to the israeli press and if she will mention it.
Well its 1:40AM school tomorrow and I'm dying to get some sleep, good night :)

starr
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Why didn't Serena just shout it out? Especially if she felt so strongly about it? Just mouthing it? Sure...

It appeared she said it out loud. I think the "mouthing" part is probably because that's on TV it appeared that was what she was saying by the way her mouth was moving. Personally, I didn't see all of that. I thougth she used the word bitch in whatever it was she said.

ceiling_fan
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:41 PM
i don't think it happened.... and if it did, it's not sportsmanlike but who hasn't said that kind of thing in the heat of the moment?

harloo
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Uh it wasn't THAT difficult to read "Fuck you" from her lips when she played Loit. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen this match so I can't comment. Wouldn't be surprised though if she said thatI.

You haven't seen the match so you don't know what the hell you are talking about. However, GoDom you are know as a Williams troll so I know you pray that she said it, but unfortunately that was not the case. :rolleyes:

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM
the drama.....ok.....you want us to accept it? Let's just act like Serena DID do it.....it was bad of her...ok..you got it....she was wrong...

Only problem is: seems like it NEVER happened...

victory1
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:43 PM
I went back and looked and during the slow mo.....I read her lips to say, "I know that witch didn't just try to hit me" :o See what being a non-skilled lip reader gets you.....a bunch of different answers. :lol:

I got chick! In fact both of my roommates are hear and I played it for both and one got witch and the other got chick! See none of us are lip readers. I played it fast, slow. The people who hate serena will of course decide to make it bitch!:lol:

Rocketta
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:43 PM
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Sorry Rocketta, I am a Williams Fan, and I took my TIVO back 5 to six times, she said, under her breath, "Bitch, tried to hit me." I laughed. B/c i was thinking ASV said that when Serena did it. And the reason she had 900 other options but opted to go at her. So that was frustration. You all have no ideal the level of intensity out ther...she asked the chick and said sorry and thank you.

Sorry Foot_Fault I have dvr too and I took it back and first she said several words before the "bitch" or "witch" or whatever she said....secondly it was slowed down in slow mo......and like I've said in the past no one here is lip readers unless you heard you can't be sure what you're seeing. We heard what she said at the net and we can guess what she said during that point but none of us know with certainty if she said bitch, witch, shit or anything else..:)

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:43 PM
It appeared she said it out loud. I think the "mouthing" part is probably because that's on TV it appeared that was what she was saying by the way her mouth was moving. Personally, I didn't see all of that. I thougth she used the word bitch in whatever it was she said.


Serena said it loud and no one but the wtaworld posters saw, heard, and read lips about it? Uh huh :rolleyes:

starr
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:43 PM
I went back and looked and during the slow mo.....I read her lips to say, "I know that witch didn't just try to hit me" :o See what being a non-skilled lip reader gets you.....a bunch of different answers. :lol:

Rocketta, Serena could boil children in oil and you would come up with a way to defend it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

btw the mouth does not form "witch" and "bitch" in the same fashion. I know you know that. :)

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:44 PM
Serena was only yelling c'mon when she forced the errors.. Shahar on the other hand was yelling come on when she hit a net cord and when Serena was hitting the ball out.. anyone who saw the match could tesitfy.. Anyway... it was sooo disapointing to see Serena just tap the ball over when she never usually plays that way.. She wasnt hitting the ball hard as she usually does and Shahar was just moon balling.

It seemed like Serena was playing too cautiously. I was beginning to wonder if she was injured. But she told Mary Jo she was fine. :)

Rocketta
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Rocketta, Serena could boil children in oil and you would come up with a way to defend it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

btw the mouth does not form "witch" and "bitch" in the same fashion. I know you know that. :)

please submit your qualifications in lip reading......yeah that's what I thought. :o

victory1
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:48 PM
It seemed like Serena was playing too cautiously. I was beginning to wonder if she was injured. But she told Mary Jo she was fine. :)

Retrievers with no pace bother serena. 1st round at US Open lost 1st set to Loit and barely won the 3rd 7:5, won that slam. Next year US Open won her 3rd round match at Wimbledon 7:6 7:6, won that slam also. Reyrievers bother Serena.

timray
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:49 PM
OMG :cuckoo: :scared: :lol: Serena just shouldn't mess with people from the West Bank.

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Yep...retrievers have always bothered serena historically.

alexusjonesfan
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Retrievers with no pace bother serena. 1st round at US Open lost 1st set to Loit and barely won the 3rd 7:5, won that slam. Next year US Open won her 3rd round match at Wimbledon 7:6 7:6, won that slam also. Reyrievers bother Serena.

:haha:
The 1st round was at the Aussie Open and Loit is anything but a retriever with no pace. She's got a power topspin forehand and crazy slices on the backhand side. She caused Serena to make a lot of UE's by exposing her footwork, not by bringing balls back. Wimby was Els Callens, nowhere close to a retriever either. Els served and volleyed and moved Serena around. Serena has trouble with players with variety, she destroys players who just fluff the ball back.

40-0
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:56 PM
i made my own avatar about this! :) people reaction about things its too way funny lol!

SelesFan70
Mar 27th, 2005, 11:59 PM
i made my own avatar about this! :) people reaction about things its too way funny lol!

But at the net is not when it happened. I am sure Peer never heard or saw her say it.

shirgan
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:00 AM
OMG :cuckoo: :scared: :lol: Serena just shouldn't mess with people from the West Bank.
by the way
she's not really from the west bank
it's just another stupid thing a reporter asked Serena

Babolatpro880
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:02 AM
I was watching it, and I saw her say something, so I rewinded it and watched it. It looked to me like she said, "Little bitch just tried to hit me."

mishar
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:02 AM
by the way
she's not really from the west bank
it's just another stupid thing a reporter asked Serena

On TV they said she was from 1/2 hour from Tel Aviv. What part of the country? What sort of town? Thanks.

DaNieLa RoCkZ
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:03 AM
Serena didnt seem like she wanted to be out there.. She had pretty much no intensity.. except for a few points.. Her play today reminded me how she played against Capriati at the French and US Opens last year.. she would just guide the ball back and use none of her power and thats y she lost to Capriati and that is definitely why it took her sooooo long to win today

40-0
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:05 AM
But at the net is not when it happened. I am sure Peer never heard or saw her say it.

But Peerīs expression in that pic is priceless, it match perfectly lol!

LindsayRocks89
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:07 AM
Serena didnt seem like she wanted to be out there.. She had pretty much no intensity.. except for a few points.. Her play today reminded me how she played against Capriati at the French and US Opens last year.. she would just guide the ball back and use none of her power and thats y she lost to Capriati and that is definitely why it took her sooooo long to win today

i think she wanted to be there, it was really humid, her footwork was poor, she looked sluggish. one thing serena cannot do is just guide the ball back unless she is willing to run and hit a good shot on the run, which she hasn't done lately

!<blocparty>!
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:11 AM
LMAO @ this thread. Who to believe :lol: :shrug:

As much as I like Seles, I fail to take seriously someone with that bitch Rice as their avatar :tape: Even if she did say it, who cares? I was playing one of my best mates today and told him to fuck himself when he smacked me on a smash at the net. Eveyone says comments like that in the heat of the moment.

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Hmmm.....I hope she rewatches this match and learn from the mistakes.

shirgan
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:13 AM
On TV they said she was from 1/2 hour from Tel Aviv. What part of the country? What sort of town? Thanks.
She's from a place called Macabeem-Reutwhich is south-east to Tel-aviv and it's close to the territories.. but on the Israeli side.
It's mostly private homes (not appartment buildings)
it's a small place, quite peacefull actually..been there once.
I guess it's about half an hour from Tel-Aviv as you said.
Crossing the whole of Israel from north to south isn't more than maybe 6-7 hours :)

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:15 AM
She's from a place called Macabeem-Reutwhich is south-east to Tel-aviv and it's close to the territories.. but on the Israeli side.
It's mostly private homes (not appartment buildings)
it's a small place, quite peacefull actually..been there once.
I guess it's about half an hour from Tel-Aviv as you said.
Crossing the whole of Israel from north to south isn't more than maybe 6-7 hours :)

didn't they say her dad was a computer programmer or something like that and her mom a homemaker? Sounds like a middle class upbringing....good for her. :)

SelesFan70
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:19 AM
LMAO @ this thread. Who to believe :lol: :shrug:

As much as I like Seles, I fail to take seriously someone with that bitch Rice as their avatar :tape: Even if she did say it, who cares? I was playing one of my best mates today and told him to fuck himself when he smacked me on a smash at the net. Eveyone says comments like that in the heat of the moment.

Condoleezza isn't a bitch. :( But I agree with you about the heat of the moment thing. In fact, I said that in my post, but it got lost in all the emotion of someone saying something "negative" about Serena...which I wasn't. I was trying to defend Sharapova and her fans by demonstrating that ALL players...even Serena J. Williams...get emotional on court. I get emotional on court. If one doesn't then one isnt' likely to win very many matches. Tennis is an emotional sport.

starr
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:20 AM
please submit your qualifications in lip reading......yeah that's what I thought. :o

I studied speech theapy and thereore know the way the vocal aparatus works to produce sounds. :)

I'm very aware of how words are formed in the english language.

But I think everyone knows that a "b" is formed differently than a "w"

A "b" is formed with the lips pressed together while a "w" is formed with the lips slightly pursed and extended.

:wavey:

~CANUCK~
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:23 AM
whats the big deal. Who cares if she said it. I haven't seen the match coz i live in canada and never get tennis coverage. From what ive read it seems obvious that she said something close to that bitch tried to hit me. She wasn't saying it to peer and only to herself. So wtf is the big deal. I would get pissed off to if someone tried to hit me. It not like she looked at peer and called her a bitch. As long as players don't acually call someone something bad to there face then who cares. Its all part of being in the moment. I don't get why the williams fans are trying to say it never happened. She said it so what. She gets mad when she plays tennis, so do alot of people.

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:24 AM
I studied speech theapy and thereore know the way the vocal aparatus works to produce sounds. :)

I'm very aware of how words are formed in the english language.

But I think everyone knows that a "b" is formed differently than a "w"

A "b" is formed with the lips pressed together while a "w" is formed with the lips slightly pursed and extended.

:wavey:

Oh wow you know I've studied speech Therapy too...:o

:shrug:

How does this prove you did or didn't? :confused:

bigshow21
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Geez, there is all this arguing and fighting...no one even posted a thread "Williams def. Peer 6-3 6-3" Usually there are like 10 of those threads. I had to search all over just find out the score.

And who cares if Serena said that! Kudos to her if she did...that makes it fun and interesting!

DaNieLa RoCkZ
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:24 AM
and what numbers were they showing at the end.. it said Peer had 36 winners and Serena had 46 but the real numbers are ALOT different.. Peer with 14 winners and 20 errors and Serena with 30 winners and 28 errors.. I knew that there was nooo way Shahar hit 36 winners..

Match Stats:

Match Summary Peer Williams 1st Serve % 66% 61% Aces 0 3 Double Faults 5 1 Winning % - 1st Serve Pts. 29 of 55 = 53% 28 of 38 = 74% Winning % - 2nd Serve Pts. 13 of 28 = 46% 13 of 24 = 54% Winners (including service) 14 30 Unforced Errors 20 28 Break Point Conversions 1 of 6 = 17 % 4 of 14 = 29 % Net Approaches 7 of 8 = 88 % 21 of 30 = 70 % Total Points Won 63 82 Fastest Match Serve Speed 104 MPH 116 MPH Average Match Serve Speed 88 MPH 101 MPH

Chunchun
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:25 AM
:cool: :rolls: I love serena

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:26 AM
whats the big deal. Who cares if she said it. I haven't seen the match coz i live in canada and never get tennis coverage. From what ive read it seems obvious that she said something close to that bitch tried to hit me. She wasn't saying it to peer and only to herself. So wtf is the big deal. I would get pissed off to if someone tried to hit me. It not like she looked at peer and called her a bitch. As long as players don't acually call someone something bad to there face then who cares. Its all part of being in the moment. I don't get why the williams fans are trying to say it never happened. She said it so what. She gets mad when she plays tennis, so do alot of people.

as far as I'm concerned what I'm saying is no one knows what she said because we didn't hear it and barely saw it....speculate all you want but don't act like it's fact.

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:28 AM
late in the 2nd set after she stretched Peer wide and Peer almost got the ball over the net right at Serena! :eek: Talk about Jekyl and Hyde! She seemed so calm and collected after the match. But she was definitely yelling "C'mon" at Peer's unforced errors, so non-Sharapova fans can now get off Maria's back for doing that. :rolleyes:
No she wasn't. She was yelling "C'mon" at her own winners. Look at the tape again and please don't spread untrue rumors and propaganda. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:31 AM
she did say that she tried to hit me, and called her a bitch...but she didn't C'mon her UE's you're a liar. She c'mon'ed Forcing shots for FORCED ERRORS not long balls or netted balls or DF.

You're a shit starter. Besides, I see nothing wrong with what Maria does on court. They are pumping themselves by any means necessary. But she did stare and say, "Bitch, tried to hit me!" I fell out Laughing. But she asked at the end of the match and said sorry and thank you.
Can you read lips, because I rewound that several times to try and decipher what she said at the net and I couldn't get it. Are you sure that's what she said?

AjdeNate!
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:31 AM
I thank you all for being so :cuckoo: and for providing me a good laugh.





;)

~CANUCK~
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:32 AM
as far as I'm concerned what I'm saying is no one knows what she said because we didn't hear it and barely saw it....speculate all you want but don't act like it's fact.
we all know serena isn't an angel when she is on court. She has been known in the past to let out a curse word or two. So its a pretty safe bet that if she mouthed something that looked like bitch, its almost certain that she said it. I just don't get why fight this battle. Some people are stupid and start stupid shit like this was rude :rolleyes:. I don't understand why its such a big deal to begin with, i love it when players swear on court. it shows that they actually care whats going on in the match. Swearing in my opinion is apart of sport. It shows that they get mad when they lose a point or when they make a mistake. my only problem is when someone does it to someone else, thats wrong.

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:34 AM
Uh it wasn't THAT difficult to read "Fuck you" from her lips when she played Loit. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen this match so I can't comment. Wouldn't be surprised though if she said that.
GoDom hasn't taken his/her meds today and as usual gets everything wrong. Serena did not say "Fuck you" in her match against Loit, she said "Fucking bitch" to herself, about herself. :rolleyes: And, you didn't have to read her lips, because she said it loud enough for the world to hear it. :rolleyes: Lying again. :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:36 AM
No she wasn't. She was yelling "C'mon" at her own winners. Look at the tape again and please don't spread untrue rumors and propaganda. :rolleyes:

Nothing I posted is untrue nor is it propaganda. I would not have started such a volatile thread without knowing what I saw. Besides, I said there was nothing wrong with her getting emotional on court, but I just don't want people on Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

timray
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:37 AM
She's from a place called Macabeem-Reutwhich is south-east to Tel-aviv and it's close to the territories.. but on the Israeli side.
It's mostly private homes (not appartment buildings)
it's a small place, quite peacefull actually..been there once.
I guess it's about half an hour from Tel-Aviv as you said.
Crossing the whole of Israel from north to south isn't more than maybe 6-7 hours :)

i bet Shahar knows how to hold a pistol and fire it at some cans on a branch. :cool:

harloo
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:38 AM
Nothing I posted is untrue nor is it propaganda. I would not have started such a volatile thread without knowing what I saw. Besides, I said there was nothing wrong with her getting emotional on court, but I just don't want people on Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

Considering Condi is your idol, you should know a thing or two about propoganda. ROTF!!!

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Nothing I posted is untrue nor is it propaganda. I would not have started such a volatile thread without knowing what I saw. Besides, I said there was nothing wrong with her getting emotional on court, but I just don't want people on Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

Serena fans were on Sharapova's back for fist pumping and come ons because she was playing a injured opponent who was throwing in 60-70 mph serves then she fell to the ground like she just beat a healthy opponent then her father ran on court like she just won a match against a healthy opponent. Nothing in this match is similar to those circumstances...Now why other fans are mad at Sharapova about is between them and Sharapova but that still has little to do with this match.

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:40 AM
it did look like she tried to hit her. and i don't rememeber her saying bitch, i tought she asked "did she try to hit me??" :confused:
She did say that at the net when they shook hands. She said, and I heard, "Did you try and hit me on that one shot?...Are you sure?"

thelittlestelf
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:40 AM
What game did this supposedly happen in?

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:41 AM
What game did this supposedly happen in?

The last game..

shirgan
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:41 AM
i bet Shahar knows how to hold a pistol and fire it at some cans on a branch. :cool:
???
why do you say that?

victory1
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:41 AM
[QUOTE=SelesFan70]Nothing I posted is untrue nor is it propaganda. I would not have started such a volatile thread without knowing what I saw. Besides, I said there was nothing wrong with her getting emotional on court, but I just don't want people on Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:[/QUOTE
You call pumping your fist and falling to the ground when your apponent is obviously hurt, the same thing as being intense on a competive hard fought match!:lol: :lol: Fine!;)

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Ok. Im surprised from Serena calling her opponent a bitch. I just hope people wont be mad at Serena for months for this inncedent.
See, I knew it. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!! Okay people. Some people see what they want to see, but no one can say without a doubt that she called that girl a bitch, unless they can read lips and I mean a certified lip reader.

AjdeNate!
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:43 AM
*waits for the Kentucky/Mich St game to end to TiVO the last game and see for myself*

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:46 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:47 AM
What game did this supposedly happen in?

2nd Set...5-3....0-15 Peer serving

harloo
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:49 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:

YOU and your friends did not like Serena anyways. Stop fronting like you and your biased pals were excited to see Serena. ROTF! Give us all a break!:lol:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:50 AM
YOU and your friends did not like Serena anyways. Stop fronting like you and your biased pals were excited to see Serena. ROTF! Give us all a break!:lol:

Actually, he/she must think very highly of Serena and isn't disgusted with her at all. If she had her alleged friends give tennis a chance and she used Serena's match to bring them in, what higher compliment that Serena basically is tennis for that poster? :lol:

thelittlestelf
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:51 AM
2nd Set...5-3....0-15 Peer servingThanks... Let's see what TiVo has to say about it :)

Paialii
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:51 AM
I missed the match, wish I would have seen it.

I'm a huge Williams fan -- I've met her and hit with her and I've watched her since her debut, and I must say that I've always been impressed with her attitude both on and off the court. I've never known her to be rude in that way or to even use inappropriate language, so I must say I'm disappointed in her if she did in fact say that, but at the sound of it it's not as if she directly called Peer a bitch, you know?

I guess things were pretty tense at the moment.

Veritas
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:51 AM
I'm giving Serena the benefit of the doubt here. I don't believe she'd attempt to deliberately hit someone in front of a crowd and cameras. Plus, I'm sure she knows that because she's so damn famous, any small controversy involving herself would automatically become a huge issue in the press.

EDIT: Hmm. Seems I misread/misunderstood the situation. Anyway, I don't think either player made a big deal about the match in their post-match conferences, so I don't see why this should be a big issue amongst the fans as well. I mean, :eek: there are at least 3 separate threads about this already! Give both girls a break please!

~CANUCK~
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:52 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:
This is a joke right. You are making her out to be the devil. If you were disgusted with her play im guessing you don't watch much sports at all. You should stick to golf :wavey:

starr
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Oh wow you know I've studied speech Therapy too...:o

:shrug:

How does this prove you did or didn't? :confused:

Of course it doesn't prove I have studied speech therapy. That would be impossible to do without my transcripts.

You are free to believe it or disbelieve it. I really don't care. You asked me what special background was, and I told you.

But as I already said, it doesn't take studying speech therapy to know that a b is formed differently than a w. You already know that.

Bitch, botch, batch, butch, are all formed much the same way with only the vowell differentiating. The motions of the lips in forming vowell sounds is much more subtle (at least when Americans are speaking english; the English tend to produce more distinct vowels although they pronounce vowels differently than do Americans.) than are consonants. If you had slow motion and a good view with someone articulating you could possibly pick up the differences in these words. The "i" sound would call for a bit more compression and drawing back of the lips while the o and a sounds would be a more open mouthed position and the "u" would be pronounced with the lips protruding immediately after the b sound.

I realize that you won't ever believe I've studied speech therapy, but then again, you want me to believe that you believe "witch" looks like "bitch"

Sorry, but you made me laugh and I laughed even more when you wanted to write me off as just one more poster talking through my hat.

:hatoff:

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Nothing I posted is untrue nor is it propaganda. I would not have started such a volatile thread without knowing what I saw. Besides, I said there was nothing wrong with her getting emotional on court, but I just don't want people on Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:
Your statement was untrue. I invite you to watch the match again and see.

thelittlestelf
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:53 AM
I missed the match, wish I would have seen it.

I'm a huge Williams fan -- I've met her and hit with her and I've watched her since her debut, and I must say that I've always been impressed with her attitude both on and off the court. I've never known her to be rude in that way or to even use inappropriate language, so I must say I'm disappointed in her if she did in fact say that, but at the sound of it it's not as if she directly called Peer a bitch, you know?

I guess things were pretty tense at the moment.I'm so jealous of you!

SelesFan70
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Thanks... Let's see what TiVo has to say about it :)

Let us know what you find out...if anything. ;)

Geisha
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Well, I can't say this isn't like Serena. I mean, didn't she call Venus a bitch back in the day?

It's okay. Some players have this personality (ie. Sharapova) and that is what makes them more interesting.

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:56 AM
Of course it doesn't prove I have studied speech therapy. That would be impossible to do without my transcripts.

You are free to believe it or disbelieve it. I really don't care. You asked me what special background was, and I told you.

But as I already said, it doesn't take studying speech therapy to know that a b is formed differently than a w. You already know that.

Bitch, botch, batch, butch, are all formed much the same way with only the vowell differentiating. The motions of the lips in forming vowell sounds is much more subtle (at least when Americans are speaking english; the English tend to produce more distinct vowels although they pronounce vowels differently than do Americans.) than are consonants. If you had slow motion and a good view with someone articulating you could possibly pick up the differences in these words. The "i" sound would call for a bit more compression and drawing back of the lips while the o and a sounds would be a more open mouthed position and the "u" would be pronounced with the lips protruding immediately after the b sound.

I realize that you won't ever believe I've studied speech therapy, but then again, you want me to believe that you believe "witch" looks like "bitch"

Sorry, but you made me laugh and I laughed even more when you wanted to write me off as just one more poster talking through my hat.

:hatoff:

yup! :hatoff:

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:56 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:
Well you and your friends know what you can do. :rolleyes:

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:57 AM
This is a joke right. You are making her out to be the devil. If you were disgusted with her play im guessing you don't watch much sports at all. You should stick to golf :wavey:


No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:59 AM
Well you and your friends know what you can do. :rolleyes:

didn't need you to tell my friends what to do - they figured out without you. As for me, the less Serena Williams on TV - the better. I never tried to hide it, never will.

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:59 AM
I'm giving Serena the benefit of the doubt here. I don't believe she'd attempt to deliberately hit someone in front of a crowd and cameras. Plus, I'm sure she knows that because she's so damn famous, any small controversy involving herself would automatically become a huge issue in the press.
:confused:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:59 AM
No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.

Then why didn't you watch ESPN classic full of NHL games to begin with :scratch:

Instead you invite your friends and your own person to watch Serena play - are you confused in your own head to what you enjoy and what your tastes are :lol:

Paialii
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:00 AM
No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.

I wouldn't call this type of behavior common with the Williams'.

I talked to a friend who watched the match and then watched the press conference. She said that the interviewer asked Serena what she said at the net and Serena said "Great Match." The guy then asked "What'd you say after that?" and Serena replied "I'll tell you later off the cameras" or something of that sort.

Did anyone else see this? :confused:

~CANUCK~
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:02 AM
No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.
tennis a gentlemans sport :lol: you have got to be kidding me. This game has not been a gentlemans sport in a long time. You could maybe make a case if serena did this at wimby. Even then that would be grasping at straws. You must be one of the only people left in the world that think like this. have you watched tennis at all lately. The men are getting more and more naked, tati is wearing booty shorts, serena is wearing a pink cat suit. This sport is all about the t & a now. Its become a very sexy and competitive sport and thank god for that. No one wants to watch to people out there kissing eachothers ass.

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:02 AM
Then why didn't you watch ESPN classic full of NHL games to begin with :scratch:

Instead you invite your friends and your own person to watch Serena play - are you confused in your own head to what you enjoy and what your tastes are :lol:

I invited my friends to watch tennis, not the bad actress S.Williams or someone with no manners (her as well)...

thelittlestelf
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:02 AM
No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.Name ONE match in the last 2 years where Venus has behaved less than classy? I bet you can't.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:03 AM
I invited my friends to watch tennis, not the bad actress S.Williams or someone with no manners (her as well)...

You invited your friends to watch Serena play, stop your lying :lol:

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:04 AM
The men are getting more and more naked, tati is wearing booty shorts, serena is wearing a pink cat suit. This sport is all about the t & a now. Its become a very sexy and competitive sport and thank god for that. No one wants to watch to people out there kissing eachothers ass.

it is changing, unfortunately, and now (you can add) it's becoming trashy

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:04 AM
didn't need you to tell my friends what to do - they figured out without you. As for me, the less Serena Williams on TV - the better. I never tried to hide it, never will.
Exactly...I didn't tell your friend what to do, I said you KNOW what you can do. You're such a liar about your so-called friends doing this and that. Wasn't it you who went with a "friend" to pick out a tennis outfit and decided not to pick Serena's line in Nike because of some lame negative reason? :lol:

Why watch a Serena match, if you don't like her personally? Why not wait until tomorrow for Maria's match or watch Amelie or Kim yesterday or the men yesterday? Noooo, you picked the day that Serena, who you HATE, plays to get your friends interested in tennis. :haha: :haha: :haha:

You're so funny.

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Name ONE match in the last 2 years where Venus has behaved less than classy? I bet you can't.

I have absolutely NO issues with Venus (as I have said in another thread)... I laways maintain that Serena could learn a whole lot from her older sister (from how to dress to how to behave).

Brooks.
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Well you and your friends know what you can do. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :worship: ;)

JenFan75
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:06 AM
Serena's an asshat.

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:07 AM
You invited your friends to watch Serena play, stop your lying :lol:

UNFORTUNATELY, this was the only tennis on TV. I'd better learn next time: better no tennis than S.Williams :p :wavey:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:08 AM
UNFORTUNATELY, this was the only tennis on TV. I'd better learn next time: better no tennis than S.Williams :p :wavey:

Slow learner huh :lol:

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:08 AM
UNFORTUNATELY, this was the only tennis on TV. I'd better learn next time: better no tennis than S.Williams :p :wavey:
Yeah, and then no you in the threads that follow. :)

harloo
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:09 AM
You invited your friends to watch Serena play, stop your lying :lol:


:tape: :tape: :lol:

Paialii
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:14 AM
LOL, I just wanted to ask.. how are the men getting more and more naked? Their shorts are longer now than they were twenty years ago, hon.

Not that I'd mind some of the guys wearing less clothes *cough*AndyRoddickTakeItOff*cough* ;) :p

Paneru
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:14 AM
So many of you need to get off your damn
high horses, this is a sport and sorry if every
player doesn't meet your high "so called" moral standards!

It gets on my nerves when you people
sit around analyzing every last damn thing!

I hate it when Williams fans do it
to Sharapova and vice versa with the rest!


Their are many types of competitors and Serena like some
others is an in your face competitor and if you don't
like it, then take it somewhere else!


Ewww, just so sick of all this fucking shit about
class this and that from people who can hide behind
their computers and scretch to the hilt about class this or that!

Don't like, close your eyes and ears!
That goes for fans of the Sisters and everyone else!

BTW, for those who will hate this post
and most likely bad rep. it, bombs away!

mykarma
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:16 AM
Uh it wasn't THAT difficult to read "Fuck you" from her lips when she played Loit. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen this match so I can't comment. Wouldn't be surprised though if she said that.But you are commiting. Didn't you just have to eat crow the other day for the same sort of thing? :rolleyes:

"Topaz"
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:22 AM
I didn't watch the match. So... was there a bitch trying to hit Rena? :shrug:
Just tell me before I :explode:.

RVD
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:26 AM
This game must have taken place in another reality. :lol: :rolleyes:

Actually, I sure hope Serena did make that comment. It tells me that she's still fired up to win. It's why I love her so much. :yeah: Take no shit, and take no prisoners. Unfortunately, the thread starter is wrong. :rolleyes:
Just another flaming troll thread. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleepgo_ron.gif

Staticbeef
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:31 AM
No, this is not... tennis has always been a gentleman's sport, so when I want to see like Williams behaviour, I'd watch NHL.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: One word, McEnroe, want any more words, I have plenty :wavey:

BoucharDRules
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:34 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:


That's a shame, but typical of Serena. :rolleyes:

It might have been a better idea to get your friends to watch an Elena Dementieva match to see an example of the best the game of tennis has to offer. :D

Staticbeef
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:35 AM
So many of you need to get off your damn
high horses, this is a sport and sorry if every
player doesn't meet your high "so called" moral standards!

It gets on my nerves when you people
sit around analyzing every last damn thing!

I hate it when Williams fans do it
to Sharapova and vice versa with the rest!


Their are many types of competitors and Serena like some
others is an in your face competitor and if you don't
like it, then take it somewhere else!


Ewww, just so sick of all this fucking shit about
class this and that from people who can hide behind
their computers and scretch to the hilt about class this or that!

Don't like, close your eyes and ears!
That goes for fans of the Sisters and everyone else!

BTW, for those who will hate this post
and most likely bad rep. it, bombs away! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :wavey: :worship:

tenn_ace
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:36 AM
That's a shame, but typical of Serena. :rolleyes:

It might have been a better idea to get your friends to watch an Elena Dementieva match to see an example of the best the game of tennis has to offer. :D

Lena rules :worship:

Stamp Paid
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:40 AM
That's a shame, but typical of Serena. :rolleyes:

It might have been a better idea to get your friends to watch an Elena Dementieva match to see an example of the best the game of tennis has to offer. :D

You've reverted back from being actually funny to just bitter and annoying...:rolleyes:

Pureracket
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Somebody who lives near Serena also says that SErena doesn't recycle as often as she should. Also, I heard (but I'm not sure of this one) that she doesn't wear her seatbelt.

RVD
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:43 AM
Somebody who lives near Serena also says that SErena doesn't as often as she should. Also, I heard (but I'm not sure of this one) that she doesn't wear her seatbelt.Yeah, and wasn't there a rumor about Serena not flossing after every meal. I think that one was in the Enquirer. :haha:

thelittlestelf
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:45 AM
I watched it, and from what I can tell Serena did NOT say that! I even rewinded it and TiVod it in slow-mo!

God I love tivo :hearts:

rada
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:48 AM
get over it if you don't like what she says or does on court keep it to your self:( everyone plays to win and if she feels like saying c'mon' let her:)

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:50 AM
That's a shame, but typical of Serena. :rolleyes:

It might have been a better idea to get your friends to watch an Elena Dementieva match to see an example of the best the game of tennis has to offer. :D
:lol: Yeah, a multiple grand slam winner and excellent server. With Lena, you always get that slam winning technique and a clinic on how to serve perfectly. :haha: :haha: :haha: Yeah, the best the game of tennis has to offer, no doubt. NOT!!

RVD
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:53 AM
:lol: Yeah, a multiple grand slam winner and excellent server. With Lena, you always get that slam winning technique and a clinic on how to serve perfectly. :haha: :haha: :haha: Yeah, the best the game of tennis has to offer, no doubt. NOT!! :lol: Yeah, The Demented One would be perfect for them wouldn't she? ;)

@m@nd@
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:05 AM
im confused. did she call her a bitch during the match? or when

mykarma
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:06 AM
She did say that at the net when they shook hands. She said, and I heard, "Did you try and hit me on that one shot?...Are you sure?":lol: :lol: :lol:

mykarma
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:11 AM
Then why didn't you watch ESPN classic full of NHL games to begin with :scratch:

Instead you invite your friends and your own person to watch Serena play - are you confused in your own head to what you enjoy and what your tastes are :lol::lol: :lol: :lol:

mykarma
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:13 AM
I have absolutely NO issues with Venus (as I have said in another thread)... I laways maintain that Serena could learn a whole lot from her older sister (from how to dress to how to behave).Do you have an older sister you might be able to learn ANYTHING from?

Knizzle
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Did you watch the match? She clearly was saying "C'mon" when Peer hit several shots into the net. Besides, I never said there was anything wrong with it, just saying people should get off Sharapova's back for doing the same thing. :wavey:

Why is it wrong to say C'mon when you win an important point??

backhanddtl4
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:27 AM
I'm a Serena fan, and I can't believe how she acted today. Nothing like how she usually acts.

Juju #1
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:51 AM
It's not fair when an experienced player serves this kind of s**t to a young player

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:05 AM
It's not fair when an experienced player serves this kind of s**t to a young player
:rolleyes:

Rollo
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:12 AM
LOL@ all this nothing:lol:

It was a fun match-well played from both ends-and if Serena got a bit upset who cares?

After the match Serena compared Peer to Sanchez-Vicario-which is good for another laugh-as Sanchez got really upset at Serena in 1998 for (in Aranxta's eyes) trying to take her head off with a passing shot. It pumped Sanchez up and she went on to win.

Serena was about 17 too:)

Angel_Mars
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:14 AM
absolutely disgusted with Williams... to think of it, I pursuaded a group of my friends to watch tenni (not fans, just to give it a shot) and all of them were absolutely :eek: :confused: about Williams behaviour. It was a total disgrace that a champion like her would fight with an unkown junior that way. :rolleyes:


Agreed, I had some people at my house watching that aren't regular tennis watchers and they were shocked when she screamed at Peer across the net after that one shot, and then shocked when she seemed to be confronting her across the net. YUCK.............

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:15 AM
Agreed, I had some people at my house watching that aren't regular tennis watchers and they were shocked when she screamed at Peer across the net after that one shot, and then shocked when she seemed to be confronting her across the net. YUCK.............
Whatever...you people make me sick YUCK...don't fucking watch her. It's as simple as that, stupid.

eyesy
Mar 28th, 2005, 06:26 AM
Is this the never-ending thread?

*Confused* ANY evidence? she really said that? I didn't watch the match.

Mica
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:59 AM
Damn my grandfather for insisting that I watch "Lethal Weapon 3" with him. I tried so many times to turn away to ESPN to catch this match, but it was a no go (I saw a few rallies here and there though)I didn't see it this infamous thing, but I just chalk it up to the passion of the game. Sure calling someone a bitch is a bit an the 'not hot' side, but so is punching in basketball and wailing on some guy with your hockey stick.

Somewhat wrong, but that's just how to game is played. I refuse to make any value judgements about Serena the person because of this, and likewise, Serena the athlete doesn't even get a slap on the wrist....

fifiricci
Mar 28th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Do you think there's a chapter in the new W/S "how to live your life gracefully" entitled "when its appropriate to use the term 'bitch'?"

If a large cohort of the W/S fans hadn't made out recently that they should write a book because they are such role models and hadn't gunwhipped me for suggesting otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered with this thread, because I've seen/heard just about every player swear or be obnoxious on court in some way or another. But as the W/S fans insist that Serena is a huge role model for everyone, I really do think she should NOT be inferring that anyone is a bitch in ANY circumstances!


:rolleyes:

*fifi awaits the arrival of the little red dots*

volta
Mar 28th, 2005, 09:44 AM
The obsession with Serena on this board is astounding. When you start trying to read her lips you are obsessed.
:haha: :haha: most of the people hare are fans in denial seriously they talk much more about her then i do :lol:

SJW
Mar 28th, 2005, 10:53 AM
if she DID say it (and i didn't get the match) she shouldn't have said it...on the other hand...i swear and curse all the time in competitive situations on court, yet it's to myself and my level of sportsmanship to the opposition is always high regardless if i let fly verbally on myself. i'm not going to stop being Serena's fan for using the "b" word, even if she claims to be a JW :angel:

Junex
Mar 28th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Why is it wrong to say C'mon when you win an important point??


Exactly!

Like for me, it has been a habit to say "nice" when my opponent hit an error on my serve.

I always thought its rude, so after saying it, i usually look back at my opponent and raise my hand as if asking for an apology.

Tennis is a competitive sport, and these are professionals playing, can we just forgive them for behaving such? As long as they don't bring it off-court, its ok with me. It is part of a sport full of drama!

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 28th, 2005, 01:59 PM
late in the 2nd set after she stretched Peer wide and Peer almost got the ball over the net right at Serena! :eek: Talk about Jekyl and Hyde! She seemed so calm and collected after the match. But she was definitely yelling "C'mon" at Peer's unforced errors, so non-Sharapova fans can now get off Maria's back for doing that. :rolleyes:


Look, why are you trying to create drama when there is none? You don't know what the hell serena mouthed or said. So stop acting like you do. Hell even if serena called her a fucking bitch I could care less. They are in the heat of battle and who the fuck cares if they curse or not? If it was so bad why didnt she get a warning?:rolleyes:

Maybe you should save your misplaced anger for something more appropriate like when players spit on ball boys. Where was your outrage when that happened?

you need a red dot defiinitely.

BlazeII
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:04 PM
There is ansolutely nothing wrong in saying c'mon or fist pumping after winning a point.( Be it a double fault, or opponent's error, because, if the going gets tough, you will take any point you can get.)

That being said, I watch this match on and off, not being a fan of WTA, on one or two occasions, I was shocked at Serena's behaviour.

And before the William fans start denying this, there was one particular point when Serena was up 4-0 or 5-0 when she had a winner at net and purposely screamed c'mon at Peer apparently because all the possible winners Serena was hitting was coming back. Even Cliff Drysdale commented on that scream.

As for yelling at the net, Serena was in no danger of being hit by that ball. Having studied Physics extensively, the trajectory of the ball couldn't possibly have coincided with her. Even after the ball landed in the net, it was far away from where she was.

Also it is no denying that Serena said something directly to the camera/crowd/umpire (and not to herself).
Be it "This bitch try to hit me" or "Did she just try to hit me?" I believe it was the latter because she was asking a question.

All in all, I believe the conditions were fustrating Serena because her behaviour was poor compare to what it is usually is.

I also advise the Sharapova and Serena fans to reconcile because I don't see any differences between these two, both behaviour wise and gamewise. Because sooner or later everyone will be tired of the double standards shown to both players.

Infiniti2001
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:08 PM
Agreed, I had some people at my house watching that aren't regular tennis watchers and they were shocked when she screamed at Peer across the net after that one shot, and then shocked when she seemed to be confronting her across the net. YUCK.............

I so believe that Zostar :rolleyes:

Volcana
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:20 PM
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TeamUSA#1
Mar 28th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I could give a fuck if she sweared or not--- NO BIG DEAL! All the players swear on court--- and if you think they dont :tape: :lol:

I am, however, laughing my ass off at the hipocrasy in this thread. There are many fans here who are going on about how it is now big deal that she swore, who in the past have blasted other players--- like Capriati--- for swearing on court. Must be situational morals :lol: :lol:

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:03 PM
There is ansolutely nothing wrong in saying c'mon or fist pumping after winning a point.( Be it a double fault, or opponent's error, because, if the going gets tough, you will take any point you can get.)

That being said, I watch this match on and off, not being a fan of WTA, on one or two occasions, I was shocked at Serena's behaviour.

And before the William fans start denying this, there was one particular point when Serena was up 4-0 or 5-0 when she had a winner at net and purposely screamed c'mon at Peer apparently because all the possible winners Serena was hitting was coming back. Even Cliff Drysdale commented on that scream.

As for yelling at the net, Serena was in no danger of being hit by that ball. Having studied Physics extensively, the trajectory of the ball couldn't possibly have coincided with her. Even after the ball landed in the net, it was far away from where she was.

Also it is no denying that Serena said something directly to the camera/crowd/umpire (and not to herself).
Be it "This bitch try to hit me" or "Did she just try to hit me?" I believe it was the latter because she was asking a question.

All in all, I believe the conditions were fustrating Serena because her behaviour was poor compare to what it is usually is.

I also advise the Sharapova and Serena fans to reconcile because I don't see any differences between these two, both behaviour wise and gamewise. Because sooner or later everyone will be tired of the double standards shown to both players.

"Having studied Physics exstensively"

:haha:

:confused:

:shrug:

Let me ask you how could Serena do the physics of the the matter in the middle of a point/game/set/match?

Cliff Drysdale also commented on Peer's come ons and fist pumps but oh well right. Cliff commented that he was surprised how into this match Serena was not that he thought her fist pump was inappropriate and then Mary Joe commented that it showed how close the match really was despite the score and it was.

BlazeII
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:13 PM
"Having studied Physics exstensively"

Let me ask you how could Serena do the physics of the the matter in the middle of a point/game/set/match.

Don't want to get in any argument but if she didn't do the "physics " of the matter then how did she know the ball was going to hit her?

kabuki
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Don't want to get in any argument but if she didn't do the "physics " of the matter then how did she know the ball was going to hit her?

Cause it was coming right at her and just clipped the tape!!!!! :retard: Physics schmysics.

griffin
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:34 PM
I was once scrambling up a rock slide when the hiker above me dislodged a softball-sized chunk of rock in my direction. As it turned out, it missed me by a good two feet, but I can promise you I didn't stand there sorting out the exact trajectory and likelihood it would rearrange my face before deciding to duck and cover.

Didn't see the match, don't need to have done so to know that Serena can get pretty fired up and is not always a model of decorum and propriety on court. And yes, a some of her fans are blind to this fact.

Serena is also not Satan, or a model of all that is improper and wrong on court. And some of her detractors are blind to THIS fact.

I don't think we need 4 (+?) pages to prove either.

kabuki
Mar 28th, 2005, 04:35 PM
I was once scrambling up a rock slide when the hiker above me dislodged a softball-sized chunk of rock in my direction. As it turned out, it missed me by a good two feet, but I can promise you I didn't stand there sorting out the exact trajectory and likelihood it would rearrange my face before deciding to duck and cover.

Didn't see the match, don't need to have done so to know that Serena can get pretty fired up and is not always a model of decorum and propriety on court. And yes, a some of her fans are blind to this fact.

Serena is also not Satan, or a model of all that is improper and wrong on court. And some of her detractors are blind to THIS fact.

I don't think we need 4 (+?) pages to prove either.

:lol: :haha: :hearts:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I watched it, and from what I can tell Serena did NOT say that! I even rewinded it and TiVod it in slow-mo!

God I love tivo :hearts:


Yes Tivo is great I think they should raise the price, it won't be so cool when everyone has one. :tape:

fifiricci
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:35 PM
I wasn't disappointed by the red dotty gang - three so far and counting! :lol:

Martian KC
Mar 28th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Poor serena.:sad: Her threads are always so long.:p

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 07:54 PM
I wouldn't have bothered with this thread
Oh Puhleeze :rolleyes: you live to enter Williams threads and bash them.

SJW
Mar 28th, 2005, 07:58 PM
I wasn't disappointed by the red dotty gang - three so far and counting! :lol:

that's the only way you get joy in your life? oh you are so cool. :)

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:02 PM
That being said, I watch this match on and off, not being a fan of WTA, on one or two occasions, I was shocked at Serena's behaviour.
So, you couldn't possibly know the circumstances under which Serena was playing. Therefore, how can you have an opinion on her behavior


And before the William fans start denying this, there was one particular point when Serena was up 4-0 or 5-0 when she had a winner at net and purposely screamed c'mon at Peer apparently because all the possible winners Serena was hitting was coming back. Even Cliff Drysdale commented on that scream.
Wrong again. It was 4-3 in the second set at deuce. :rolleyes: Cliff just asked why all of a sudden is this an in your face match and MJ said it just goes to show how close Serena felt this match was in the second set.


As for yelling at the net, Serena was in no danger of being hit by that ball. Having studied Physics extensively, the trajectory of the ball couldn't possibly have coincided with her. Even after the ball landed in the net, it was far away from where she was.

Do you even play tennis? Unfortunately most of us who do play, have not studied Physics at all and when you see a ball coming at you, it's hard to tell whether it's going to hit you or go into the net. Also, it landed in the net right in front of Serena. So, she was justified in thinking that the girl was trying to hit her with the ball.

Denise4925
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Poor serena.:sad: Her threads are always so long.:p
And, you never fail to contribute. ;)

tennislover
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:07 PM
how many bad rep cards did you get b/c of this thread as far , my poor selesfan? ;)

Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2005, 08:12 PM
that's the only way you get joy in your life? oh you are so cool. :)

and apparently attention! :o

JenCpLvr
Mar 29th, 2005, 01:03 AM
Sorry Foot_Fault I have dvr too and I took it back and first she said several words before the "bitch" or "witch" or whatever she said....secondly it was slowed down in slow mo......and like I've said in the past no one here is lip readers unless you heard you can't be sure what you're seeing. We heard what she said at the net and we can guess what she said during that point but none of us know with certainty if she said bitch, witch, shit or anything else..:)

I can guarantee you that if Jennifer or Maria had done the same thing, you would have jumped all over it and would have "known" they said that statement...

You're just so transparent.. I mean, it's fine to support your favorite, but don't try to defend something you don't even know yourself. :rolleyes:

Let me guess... you're a Serena and Venus fan because they're black, right?

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 29th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Let me guess... you're a Serena and Venus fan because they're black, right?

Why would you say something so ignorant like this?

Deira
Mar 29th, 2005, 01:18 AM
:haha::haha::haha::haha:

At this tread.

mykarma
Mar 29th, 2005, 01:28 AM
And, you never fail to contribute. ;)I couldn't give you a good rep but hear ya go.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

the cat
Mar 29th, 2005, 01:36 AM
At the post match handshake Serena asked Peer if she tried to hit her with a shot.

JenCpLvr
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:31 AM
Why would you say something so ignorant like this?

Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.

tenn_ace
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:37 AM
Whatever...you people make me sick YUCK...don't fucking watch her. It's as simple as that, stupid.


blah-blah-blah :lol:

had to watch her again tonight playing my favourite and telling you, that "A Great Actress"/"A Great Designer with A Bad Name" is annoying as hell and one thing I don't understand is why her opponents don't mock her anger/hatred/fake outbursts... I'd pay a million to see that.... :banana:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:41 AM
Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.


OMG, so if a white person prefers a white player over the Sisters are they then racist? What the hell kind of thinking do you go by? Why do you even think along racial lines in fandom anyway?

I also didn't realize you knew everybody to make your generalization. Maybe you just know the wrong people.

So now, black people only love Serena and Venus and on top of that they don't know anything about tennis. Wow, being white is just so great.

This is one Asian that loves the Sisters so where do I fit in with your divide?

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:42 AM
I can guarantee you that if Jennifer or Maria had done the same thing, you would have jumped all over it and would have "known" they said that statement...

You're just so transparent.. I mean, it's fine to support your favorite, but don't try to defend something you don't even know yourself. :rolleyes:

Let me guess... you're a Serena and Venus fan because they're black, right?

:yawn:

the search function works now please feel free to find one post of mine talking about anyone cursing in a match.

Yeah thanks! I guess I was a McEnroe fan cause he was black and surely like Chris Everet because of all that Melanin she has going on.....for a second there I thought she might be a 2nd generation African-American. :rolleyes:

Ohhh, Becker now I really loved him for his deep rich brown cocoa skin. :drool:

and of course when Martina got older I only rooted for her because she traces her ancestry back to the motherland....

and last year when I was rooting for Eleni at the FCC I went up to her and said I don't care if your Greek you're black to me baby. :rolleyes:

Shoe Fly! :wavey:

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:45 AM
OMG, so if a white person prefers a white player over the Sisters are they then racist? What the hell kind of thinking do you go by? Why do you even think along racial lines in fandom anyway?

I also didn't realize you knew everybody to make your generalization. Maybe you just know the wrong people.

So now, black people only love Serena and Venus and on top of that they don't know anything about tennis. Wow, being white is just so great.

This is one Asian that loves the Sisters so where do I fit in with your divide?

don't mind him he's just mad because he made a stupid ass comment about liking Venus more because she likes Rock and not music that's attributed to her race that he got called on....and he still hasn't gotten over it. :lol:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 29th, 2005, 04:48 AM
don't mind him he's just mad because he made a stupid ass comment about liking Venus more because she likes Rock and not music that's attributed to her race that he got called on....and he still hasn't gotten over it. :lol:

I know, I just hate that comment every single time it comes up. I love the Sisters but I'm not a fan of one single Asian player. Something must be wrong with me right :lol: I'm breaking that "Liking only your own mold" :lol:

Denise4925
Mar 29th, 2005, 07:33 AM
blah-blah-blah :lol:

had to watch her again tonight playing my favourite and telling you, that "A Great Actress"/"A Great Designer with A Bad Name" is annoying as hell and one thing I don't understand is why her opponents don't mock her anger/hatred/fake outbursts... I'd pay a million to see that.... :banana:
Listsokova (or whatever her name is) is your favorite?!! :retard: Pretty low standards. No wonder you hate the Williams. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Denise4925
Mar 29th, 2005, 07:35 AM
Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.
Aren't you the one who asked the racial question that had something to do with your classmates? Why are you always bringing up race? Is it some kind of fixation? Maybe you need to see someone. :confused:

SJW
Mar 29th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.

you're a fucking idiot. so your cr*cka ass prefers Capriati so you're a racist right?

i like more white players than black. i must be a sellout :cool:

Szymanowski
Mar 29th, 2005, 11:53 AM
The obsession with Serena on this board is astounding.
I don't know why this astounds you! after all, this is a board for debating womens tennis, and she is a top five player, some would argue the deserving #1, so why does this astound you :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

sartrista7
Mar 29th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.

:retard:

Quite apart from anything else, if you're referring to posters here, how do you know their skin colour over the internet? Idiot.

Denise: Likhovtseva. Read and learn. I'm surprised you don't know her name by now. She's given Serena trouble before. And there's nothing wrong with having her as a favourite, she's fabulous.

Veritas
Mar 29th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Listsokova (or whatever her name is) is your favorite?!! :retard: Pretty low standards. No wonder you hate the Williams. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Denise, I know Likhovtseva is a bit of a tongue-twister name to remember, but she's no slouch and has beaten Serena before (AO 4th round, 2000) ;)

Veritas
Mar 29th, 2005, 12:16 PM
I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.

What?!!

How do you know that every black tennis fan only likes either Serena or Venus?

How can you be sure that every black person are biased and prefer the Williams sisters over any caucasian? You may say that you've met people who've said so, but how many would that be? 1? 2? 3? Or maybe even 0? Africans make up around 30% of the population in the US, which is around 50 million or so. I somehow doubt you've managed to meet 50 million people of a certain race...

And what kind of a rule is this?: "It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis." That's pushing it too far, don't you think? Especially when I doubt you've met every black person on this planet - or even a significant % - to say such a thing.

JenCpLvr
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:46 PM
What?!!

How do you know that every black tennis fan only likes either Serena or Venus?

How can you be sure that every black person are biased and prefer the Williams sisters over any caucasian? You may say that you've met people who've said so, but how many would that be? 1? 2? 3? Or maybe even 0? Africans make up around 30% of the population in the US, which is around 50 million or so. I somehow doubt you've managed to meet 50 million people of a certain race...

And what kind of a rule is this?: "It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis." That's pushing it too far, don't you think? Especially when I doubt you've met every black person on this planet - or even a significant % - to say such a thing.

I say this because you can look at the crowd in LA at the YEC on any given year and you'll see tons of African-Americans shouting for Serena/Venus (up, out of their seats even) and you can just tell they probably never followed tennis until the sisters came along... if they did, you would have seen many more of them before the sisters came on the scene. I think it's a fine thing to have diversity in the sport... but, I don't want people there just supporting someone because they're black as well...
You'll never convince that this doesn't happen.

Tennisaddict
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:54 PM
:yawn:

the search function works now please feel free to find one post of mine talking about anyone cursing in a match.

Yeah thanks! I guess I was a McEnroe fan cause he was black and surely like Chris Everet because of all that Melanin she has going on.....for a second there I thought she might be a 2nd generation African-American. :rolleyes:

Ohhh, Becker now I really loved him for his deep rich brown cocoa skin. :drool:

and of course when Martina got older I only rooted for her because she traces her ancestry back to the motherland....

and last year when I was rooting for Eleni at the FCC I went up to her and said I don't care if your Greek you're black to me baby. :rolleyes:

Shoe Fly! :wavey:

:lol: :lol: :lol:.

kiwifan
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:18 PM
I say this because you can look at the crowd in LA at the YEC on any given year and you'll see tons of African-Americans shouting for Serena/Venus (up, out of their seats even) and you can just tell they probably never followed tennis until the sisters came along... if they did, you would have seen many more of them before the sisters came on the scene. I think it's a fine thing to have diversity in the sport... but, I don't want people there just supporting someone because they're black as well...
You'll never convince that this doesn't happen.

You mean like how there were a lot of Swedes who got into tennis once Borg started winning...

...or do you mean like a lot of Germans got into tennis after Boris Becker started winning...

...or do you mean like how a lots of the Swiss started showing up at major events once Chucky started winning...

But its wrong is African Americans decide to cheer for an African American player.

As for your idiotic assumptions that you could just tell their lack of tennis fandom...

...I was in the crowd and I was cheering for the Williams and I've been following and playing the game since the early 70s...last time I checked most African Americans were quite aware of the sport long before the Williams Sisters came along (ever heard of a man named Ashe?)...

...they might not have felt the need to spend money to watch Sanchez Vicario lose to Graf (I know I didn't :devil: )...

..."you could just tell"...

...guess what I think I can "just tell" about you...

...:retard:

DevilishAttitude
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:35 PM
What do you expect. Serena was screaming words like Fuck all through the match against Venus. She's just a hater of everyone except herself on the court cos she's not the player she used to be. You could say she's competeive but classless suits her better :rolleyes:

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:57 PM
Because it's so frustrating to see. I know of NO african american that prefers a caucasion player over the sisters... but I know of many caucasians that love the sisters...
I just don't understand the divide...

It's like if you're black then you are expected to like the sisters... even if you know nothing about tennis.

wow ingorance rears its ugly head.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:00 PM
You mean like how there were a lot of Swedes who got into tennis once Borg started winning...

...or do you mean like a lot of Germans got into tennis after Boris Becker started winning...

...or do you mean like how a lots of the Swiss started showing up at major events once Chucky started winning...

But its wrong is African Americans decide to cheer for an African American player.

As for your idiotic assumptions that you could just tell their lack of tennis fandom...

...I was in the crowd and I was cheering for the Williams and I've been following and playing the game since the early 70s...last time I checked most African Americans were quite aware of the sport long before the Williams Sisters came along (ever heard of a man named Ashe?)...

...they might not have felt the need to spend money to watch Sanchez Vicario lose to Graf (I know I didn't :devil: )...

..."you could just tell"...

...guess what I think I can "just tell" about you...

...:retard:

Bravo. I see it as well and probably everyone else in the thread. She/he is so transparent its not even funny just sad and pathetic.