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JenFan75
Mar 26th, 2005, 06:51 PM
And they played eachother, who do you think would win? I think it would be Venus in straight sets. When Venus is playing her best (2000, 2001) She has a better serve and a better all court game than Serena.

bandabou
Mar 26th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Serena.....the form Serena displayed during her '02-'03 run has been matched by only a select few in history....when Serena has everything clicking, then Venus really can't beat her.

SJW
Mar 26th, 2005, 06:58 PM
they'd both lose.

JenFan75
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:00 PM
they'd both lose.


:lol: yes...I should have made that a poll option.

Bandabou- I think it would depend on the surface. If it was clay or Rebound Ace, Serena would most likely win but on faster surfaces I would definitely give the edge to Venus.

tennisIlove09
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:00 PM
since we've never seen them both at their best, it's impossible to say. you'd think it'd be a tight three setter. However, all the answers in this thread will either be Serena (by the Serena fans, as we have one already ;) ) and Venus by the Venus fans.

If they always played at the best of their ability, I would say each match would be a tight three setter, and their H2H would be even, because they are so close in everything ;)

Teemu
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:00 PM
I'd say Serena in 3 sets. They're both great at their best, no doubt about it, but I think Serena has the mental edge that would get her the win. Lets just say that of the two, she hates losing more. :)

alexusjonesfan
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:02 PM
Venus. She has more fans on wtaworld.

bandabou
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Exactly....they're pretty much even, but Serena hates losing more...tennisIlove, if Venus was the better one at her best, I'd say so....but can we really say that's true?

Venus has the egde on faster surfaces? Mind to explain that one?

JenFan75
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:03 PM
since we've never seen them both at their best, it's impossible to say. you'd think it'd be a tight three setter. However, all the answers in this thread will either be Serena (by the Serena fans, as we have one already ;) ) and Venus by the Venus fans.

If they always played at the best of their ability, I would say each match would be a tight three setter, and their H2H would be even, because they are so close in everything ;)


Althought it's true that both fanbases will vote for who they support more, I would still like to see the reasoning behind their thoughts.

deep bass
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:07 PM
I'd say Serena in 3 sets. They're both great at their best, no doubt about it, but I think Serena has the mental edge that would get her the win. Lets just say that of the two, she hates losing more. :)

Agree.

thelittlestelf
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:07 PM
I voted for Venus. At the very top of her game, NO ONE can beat her :).

SJW
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Venus. She has more fans on wtaworld.

and that's all this thread will come down to...a battle between fans...i wish there was tennis on tv :mad:

Infiniti2001
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:12 PM
And they played eachother, who do you think would win? I think it would be Venus in straight sets. When Venus is playing her best (2000, 2001) She has a better serve and a better all court game than Serena.

so many times you've posted how tired you are of them, yet here you are with this thread. Too funny!!! :haha: :rolls:

thelittlestelf
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:18 PM
so many times you've posted how tired you are of them, yet here you are with this thread. Too funny!!! :haha: :rolls:Obsession! :haha:

tennisIlove09
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:19 PM
and that's all this thread will come down to...a battle between fans...i wish there was tennis on tv :mad:

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Veenut
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:22 PM
And they played eachother, who do you think would win? I think it would be Venus in straight sets. When Venus is playing her best (2000, 2001) She has a better serve and a better all court game than Serena.

Are you sure you are not a "closeted" fan? It is odd that you have such great interest? :confused:

RenaSlam.
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Lemme see...if they were both at their peak and played at each GS, this is how i would predict the outcome:

Aussie Open- Serena plays well here, fights hard and guts out wins. She'd win

French Open- Serena also uses angles and her variety well on the clay. Serena would win here too.

Wimbledon- Venus "The Queen" would prevail here.

USO- This is Serena's house. Serena wins.

-Kieron-
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Venus in three, esp on grass!

selyoink
Mar 26th, 2005, 07:38 PM
I would say Serena in 3. She was dominate on all surfaces and able to win 4 slams in a row. Venus at her best was never able to win all the slams. Only Wimbledon and the US Open. Also when they are both not at their best Serena has had the better results by far.

Stamp Paid
Mar 26th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Rebound Ace - Serena in 3
Clay - Serena in 3
Grass - Venus in straights
Hardcourt - Serena in 3

jonny84
Mar 26th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Serena would win in three sets. :)

Aquanetta
Mar 26th, 2005, 09:55 PM
In the end, Serena in three tough sets.

mboyle
Mar 26th, 2005, 11:03 PM
since we've never seen them both at their best, it's impossible to say. you'd think it'd be a tight three setter. However, all the answers in this thread will either be Serena (by the Serena fans, as we have one already ;) ) and Venus by the Venus fans.

If they always played at the best of their ability, I would say each match would be a tight three setter, and their H2H would be even, because they are so close in everything ;)

Come on, you know that's not true. Serena would win in two fairly close sets.

1. The biggest difference between the two is the serve. Serena's serve in 02/03 was much much better placed with higher percentages and much better variety. And don't even start with the second serves. They weren't even comparable, Serena's was so much better.

2. At her best, Venus' forehand was a weapon, not a liability. This I'll give you all, but it was STILL not Serena's forehand. Serena's was far more consistent and cleanly struck, and she could do a lot more with it.

3. Serena has always been able to hit far better angles than Venus, enabling her to open up the court. Her positioning on the court and her footwork has also always been superior.

Venus has better volleys (that she never used at her peak,) and is slightly faster (but Serena's footwork is better,) and her backhand is slightly more explosive and just as consistent as Serena's, but the truth is that Venus is not in the same league of Serena.

mboyle
Mar 26th, 2005, 11:04 PM
Rebound Ace - Serena in 3
Clay - Serena in 3
Grass - Venus in straights
Hardcourt - Serena in 3

Huh. I'd say Venus is the better claycourter, and Serena's better at grass. That's interesting.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 26th, 2005, 11:56 PM
I know what your saying & if both played their best it would be tight but Venus bad 2nd serve would let her down....Serena 7-5, 6-4.

JenFan75
Mar 27th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Are you sure you are not a "closeted" fan? It is odd that you have such great interest? :confused:



It's not that I like them, it's just that their games are so similar it's still interesting watching them play eachother.

harloo
Mar 27th, 2005, 12:38 AM
The sisters have never been able to play against each other at their best. It seems one always play better than the other when they meet up. Lately Serena has been the one playing better in their matchups. The closest I saw to the sisters playing their best against each other was the Wimbledon final 2002. From the way Serena played that match noone was going to beat her during that tournament.

Technically Serena is better in alot of aspects, but Venus does a few things better than Serena. I think Serena is the better player now, but the Wimbledon 2003 final proved to me that Venus could beat lil sis again.

I really feel that Venus needs to get her game back on track and get some extra coaching. The potential is still their for her to win some more slams, but I don't know if the passion is still present like it was in the past.

Stamp Paid
Mar 27th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Huh. I'd say Venus is the better claycourter, and Serena's better at grass. That's interesting.

Even though Serena has won a French Open title and Venus won Wimbledon twice and made it to the finals for 4 years straigt? :wazzup:

If youre judging purely off of 2004 form, maybe, but not over the totality of their careers.

Doraemon
Mar 27th, 2005, 12:49 AM
Serena has bigger boobs..opps.. bigger shots. That's for surE!

Venus+Serena#1fan
Mar 27th, 2005, 01:15 AM
I think both on they're best day are VERY close but technically, Serena's forehand and Serve are still better, she gets more winners and better angles with her FH and her 2nd serve is much harder to attack.

Rena in 3, but very close 3.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 27th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Venus

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 01:22 AM
well said, mboyle.....at their best: Serena can still contend with Venu's major weapon: the backhand.....whereas when they go forehand to forehand, it' s goodnight for Venus.

MrYonex
Mar 27th, 2005, 02:09 AM
Well, I think that Venus would win if she could get it together mentally. Everyone is saying that Serena has such better shots, but I think that if Venus fixed that little glitch with her forehand she would win! Remember that Aussie Open 2003? It was such a close match and I think that if Venus was more mentally tough she would have won it! If she was more calm during the matches she would murder Serena.

Geisha
Mar 27th, 2005, 02:25 AM
This is tough. As I am a fan of both Venus and Serena, my predictions are unbiased.

Venus in 2000-2002 (before playing Serena in all of the Slams) was a dominant player. But, she won with her fitness- she ran incredibly fast and played superb defense. She wasn't consistent, her forehand would go off all the time, and her serve was a constant double faulter.

Serena in 2002-2003 was also a dominant player. She, too, won a lot of her matches with her fitness. But, she has never had a glaring weakness. Her serve and forehand are usually weapons off of Serena's racket and that is why she would have the advantage on most surfaces.

Hard: Venus def. Venus
Clay: Serena def. Venus
Grass: Serena def. Venus
Rebound Ace: Serena def. Venus
Carpet: Serena def. Venus

deja_entendu
Mar 27th, 2005, 02:45 AM
OMG this is such a joke. Who has the more aggressive game, infinitely better career statistics, winning head to head, and youth? Who has less technical flaws and more power? SERENA SERENA SERENA. Venus was an athletic, fast player in her day, but Serena is athletic and fast and hits every shot with so much more weight and consistence than Venus. It's not even a competition... one is trying to get to #1, one is trying to stay in the top 10. Despite this I'm sure Venus fans will try to rationalize her miss or miss game by saying "IF Venus WOULD play her best in the fantasy world where she doesn't have a severely flawed ground game, she would potentially beat everyone ever!" No. Serena.

Mr_Molik
Mar 27th, 2005, 03:21 AM
baby girl wins in straight sets on any surface- shes just a better player :worship:

Junex
Mar 27th, 2005, 03:49 AM
I voted for Venus. At the very top of her game, NO ONE can beat her :).


yes it is true but in reality, can two players really play each other at their best?

Who knows, but the fact of life is that the player who wins is the player at her best.

Venus in 00 & 01 is at her best and Serena in 02 & 03, is at her best.
People eveolve, and eventually reach her peak, after that its downhill and maybe a climb back at the top.

the thing is, nobody ever can say if that same person who played in 02 & 03 is still the same person playing in Miami now?, maybe. How about that person in 00 & 01?

Like what i remember Wertheim had said in one of his articles:

"In a vacuum, Serena would always win", But then again, Life isn't in a vacuum!

Sometimes Serena could edge out on mental grit, but didn't we have seen that same hunger to win from Venus also back then?

Too many factors to consider.
The sisters have already proven the world to be the very best and unbeatable at a certain period, can they or have they sustained that?

Knizzle
Mar 27th, 2005, 03:52 AM
It's hard to say cause they never really played each other when both were at the top of their mental games.

mboyle
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:29 AM
well said, mboyle.....at their best: Serena can still contend with Venu's major weapon: the backhand.....whereas when they go forehand to forehand, it' s goodnight for Venus.

OMG you agree with me:eek: (drops dead.)

mboyle
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:36 AM
I voted for Venus. At the very top of her game, NO ONE can beat her :).

Yes people can. Martina Hingis knew exactly how to. She just couldn't execute because she was allergic to physical training and outside help. When Venus is playing her best, you feed her deep junk to the sides (preferably making her move forward and sideways,) hit very very hard up the middle, and move her off the baseline with topspin Then you wait for the error or the shortball. Trouble is, you have to take care of your serve so that you at least start the point on neutral. Martina could never do that. In Serena's case, however, all she would have to do is blast the ball right back at Venus, especially to the forehand. Even at her best, Venus' forehand needed preparation time. The reason Serena was so successful in 02 when everyone else wasn't was because Serena could blast balls at will to that side, taking away all Venus' preparation time. That would make Venus start pulling up on the ball instead of hitting out, and, when that happens, Venus has lost the match.

Mica
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Serena in 2. Serena at the apex of her game is scary. She cannot be stopped when she really really wants something.

Venus, even if she forgot 100% that Serena was her little sister and she loved her (which I think has stalled her wins against Serena...Which is not to say that Serena didn't earn the wins outright, but even Venus has said at times that she wants Serena to win more so than herself...Which is not to say that she has that thought going through her head everytime she plays Serena...Whew, trying to justify myself on all levels so I don't look like I'm slighting Venus or Serena is hard) I think still Serena could overpower her.

Actually, it may just come down to serves, since Serena's are much more consistant than Venus. Though then again, Venus has that extra few inches of height so she'd be able to have a few seconds more to prepare to hit the ball, unlike all the rest of the WTA...But even when Venus gets her monster serves in, I've heard some say Serena is the best returner on the women's side and so Serena wouldn't have a problem getting them back.

But still, I think Serena's shot selection would help put her over the top to win as well.

Stamp Paid
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:55 AM
(which I think has stalled her wins against Serena...Which is not to say that Serena didn't earn the wins outright, but even Venus has said at times that she wants Serena to win more so than herself...Which is not to say that she has that thought going through her head everytime she plays Serena...Whew, trying to justify myself on all levels so I don't look like I'm slighting Venus or Serena is hard)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Sorry, but Serena is the better player right now. Venus of late has be losing to people that Serena would KILL in a match.

RVD
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:55 AM
Hmm...? That's a tough one.
I used to think Venus, up until Serena hit her own peak. After what she demonstrated over a solid 1 year period (especially during the Serena slam era...part of when Venus was at her best) I'd have to give the edge to Serena.
It's funny because, both sisters, in the past, have given the edge to the other.
But after seeing them play each other (whether fans believe Venus gave Serena slams or not) the fact remains that Serena has that killer instinct and desire, which matters as much as technical ability, talent, and mental strength. And she's proven what comes of that. As far as whether Serena would win in 2 or 3 sets...that's even more difficult to discern. But taking both sisters' words into account concerning playing styles (Serena: goes for the jugular from the beginning...Venus: slowly picking apart her foe) I'm thinking Serena in two sets.
But really, who knows. I'm just happy to be a fan of both. :)

wta whore 79
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:59 AM
Come on, you know that's not true. Serena would win in two fairly close sets.

1. The biggest difference between the two is the serve. Serena's serve in 02/03 was much much better placed with higher percentages and much better variety. And don't even start with the second serves. They weren't even comparable, Serena's was so much better.

2. At her best, Venus' forehand was a weapon, not a liability. This I'll give you all, but it was STILL not Serena's forehand. Serena's was far more consistent and cleanly struck, and she could do a lot more with it.

3. Serena has always been able to hit far better angles than Venus, enabling her to open up the court. Her positioning on the court and her footwork has also always been superior.

Venus has better volleys (that she never used at her peak,) and is slightly faster (but Serena's footwork is better,) and her backhand is slightly more explosive and just as consistent as Serena's, but the truth is that Venus is not in the same league of Serena.

Word to everything!! :worship:

Mica
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Sorry, but Serena is the better player right now. Venus of late has be losing to people that Serena would KILL in a match.

Just to clarify, respectfully, I was under the impression that the question was not who would dominate as of 'right now' and 'of late', but if both were at the apex of their game. Like if each took a time machine to the period where they were at their very best and each time-machined version played a match against one another.

wta whore 79
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:04 AM
It's not that I like them, it's just that their games are so similar it's still interesting watching them play eachother.

I'm sorry, but I think their games aren't similar AT ALL. They have completely different techniques on their serve, first of all. Venus' forehand is way worse. The way they move around the court is completely different. Venus is very gangly and doesn't make the game look easy or pretty. She uses her excellent reach to make up for her lack of speed, grace, and fluidity.

OTOH, Serena is probably the best athlete on the court since Steffi Graf. She moves amazingly around the court and uses those small steps to ensure excellent groundies. She gets down so well to the ball. It's incredible.

I figure if their games were similar I'd be a fan of both sisters. However, I've never liked Venus because she is so awkward. (However now I am starting to feel sorry for her and how her game has been in constant decline. :sad: )

RVD
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:29 AM
I'm sorry, but I think their games aren't similar AT ALL. They have completely different techniques on their serve, first of all. Venus' forehand is way worse. The way they move around the court is completely different. Venus is very gangly and doesn't make the game look easy or pretty. She uses her excellent reach to make up for her lack of speed, grace, and fluidity.

OTOH, Serena is probably the best athlete on the court since Steffi Graf. She moves amazingly around the court and uses those small steps to ensure excellent groundies. She gets down so well to the ball. It's incredible.

I figure if their games were similar I'd be a fan of both sisters. However, I've never liked Venus because she is so awkward. (However now I am starting to feel sorry for her and how her game has been in constant decline. :sad: )I don't find their style of play similar either. Serena plays a very agressive game. Most of the time with power, but will alter her style mid-game or before if necessary. Venus, whether she's losing or winning will change her game plan and sometimes falter due to that change.
Also, I neglected to post above that both sisters know each others style of play simply because they practiced together all their lives. Therefore it's safe to suggest that there are shot selections that Venus may not attempt on Serena, as well as some Serena may not attempt on Venus; which is probably why some have placed a question mark on their past meetings; for they would just come off of a game where they destroyed an opponent, and then appear tentitive with each other.
I especially noticed this in 2002. Venus would start slowly, testing and gauging Serena's shots to determine where she was weakest. While Serena was going for the throat with every serve and return. Venus was careful and analytical, and Serena seemed to be playing purely from a desire to win.

wta whore 79
Mar 27th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Also, some have characterized the sisters' meetings as poor tennis. Well I was just rewatching the 2002 Wimbledon final and it has been of way better quality than I remembered. :)

Kart
Mar 27th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Serena.

Sadly :(.

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Serena.....when she is on, she has no real glaring weaknesses...

raquel
Mar 27th, 2005, 02:02 PM
I voted for Serena in 3 because although I think Serena would win, Venus at her best would not lose in straight sets. I hope they do play each other again soon, it's been a while. Here in Miami would be good :)

Calimero377
Mar 27th, 2005, 02:47 PM
And they played eachother, who do you think would win? I think it would be Venus in straight sets. When Venus is playing her best (2000, 2001) She has a better serve and a better all court game than Serena.


In 2000/01 Venus lost to
- Coetzer
- Dokic
- ASV (FO 00)
- Davenport
- Hingis (AO 01: 1-6, 1-6)
- Mg. Maleeva
- Enna (Berlin 01: 1-6, 4-6)
- Schett (FO 01)
- Shaughnessy

You will say, But Wim/USO!!

In Wimbledon 00 she squeaked past grass-court giant Hingis (6-4 in 3rd).
At USO 00 she lost a set to old Tauziat and squeaked past Hingis (7-5 in 3rd).
In Wimbledon 01 final she lost a set against young grass-court giant Enna.

00/01 was a time when the greatest-ever had retired and all-time great Serena not yet matured. Venus picked up the pieces and "stole" her 4 slams.

So the answer to your question is very easy:

Serena!!!

Tennisaddict
Mar 27th, 2005, 03:18 PM
I know Serena would probably win if both played their best but I voted for Venus in three :p. Serena is the one with the allround game with no weaknesses and the desire and fire to win is so evident when she plays. Her results speak for themselves. However I believe that a hungry determined Venus at her peak is capable of beating Serena at her peak, based on her talent which at times can be stunning. I think that inspite of the fact that Venus has more weaknesses in her game and inconsistencies, she has more talent then Serena and that Serena always has worked harder.

Knizzle
Mar 27th, 2005, 04:08 PM
If you asked this question in early 2002 everyone would say Venus, but if you asked in in early 2003 everyone would say Serena. It's all a matter of who is playing the best at that time so no one can really give an uninfluenced answer.

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:20 PM
But now people HAVE seen their bests....and Serena's best was better than venus's best.

deja_entendu
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:33 PM
In Wimbledon 00 she squeaked past grass-court giant Hingis (6-4 in 3rd).
At USO 00 she lost a set to old Tauziat and squeaked past Hingis (7-5 in 3rd).
In Wimbledon 01 final she lost a set against young grass-court giant Enna.

00/01 was a time when the greatest-ever had retired and all-time great Serena not yet matured. Venus picked up the pieces and "stole" her 4 slams.

I haven't liked many of your posts but I agree with this. LOL @ "grass-court giant Hingis". The interesting thing about those Hingis matches is that Hingis was well into her mental and physical decline, fluffing the ball and playing much more passive tennis than she had done in previous years, and playing on surfaces that favored Venus, and Venus barely won both matches! Too bad Hingis hit the worst overhead of her career on that infamous point. :rolleyes:

Calimero377
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I haven't liked many of your posts ....

Why this?
Do you have prejudices against Germans? :confused:
(OK, WW2 and Gerhard Schröder ... )


... but I agree with this. ...

Could be the beginning of a great friendship ...
:wavey:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Venus 01 Us Open final -v- Serena?

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Was that Serena's best, forehand?

DA FOREHAND
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Was that Serena's best, forehand?
I'm saying i'll take Venus in the form over

Serena in (enter your match) ???

Venus probably hasn't lost any match in which she had fewer than 20 ue's

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:11 PM
I'm saying i'll take Venus in the form over

Serena in (enter your match) ???

Venus probably hasn't lost any match in which she had fewer than 20 ue's

Serena in ' 02-' 03 form...doesn't matter which match ..and she beats Venus...

Stamp Paid
Mar 27th, 2005, 08:14 PM
I'm saying i'll take Venus in the form over

Serena in (enter your match) ???

Venus probably hasn't lost any match in which she had fewer than 20 ue's

But it wasn't talent or level of play that separated Venus and Serena - it was desire, hunger, and fight.

And on those 3 areas, Serena beats Venus every time.