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JDLover
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:17 AM
Who has read the book and who else thinks it is amazing I just read it from cover to cover without stopping. The adversity Monica has gone through to come out so strong is nothing short of amazing.

My favourite part of the book was Chapter 38. This chapter alone made me cry for 10 minutes. It displays the way in which strangers can be the biggest help and reward in our lives and that we all need to get along in this world.

On a personal not lets hope Monica summons the strength to come back and take the womens tour by storm again. This book is a great read and should be studied in schools. This book clearly displays to children the value of NEVER giving up. The valuble lesson for when these children grow into adults is they will hopefully display the same values as Monica does.

What does everyone think from a renewed Monica Fan

:bounce: :wavey: :drool: :lol: :eek: :) :worship: :cool:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:32 AM
Who has read the book and who else thinks it is amazing I just read it from cover to cover without stopping. The adversity Monica has gone through to come out so strong is nothing short of amazing.

My favourite part of the book was Chapter 38. This chapter alone made me cry for 10 minutes. It displays the way in which strangers can be the biggest help and reward in our lives and that we all need to get along in this world.

On a personal not lets hope Monica summons the strength to come back and take the womens tour by storm again. This book is a great read and should be studied in schools. This book clearly displays to children the value of NEVER giving up. The valuble lesson for when these children grow into adults is they will hopefully display the same values as Monica does.

What does everyone think from a renewed Monica Fan

:bounce: :wavey: :drool: :lol: :eek: :) :worship: :cool:


Monica received a 1-cm stab wound by a thug.
The Vietnam vet most probably had to live thru harder times ... (Chapter 38).

Monica's book is a little bit too rich of self-pity, IMO.

And there are some nasty remarks about Steffi Graf.
1) That she didn't try to contact Seles post-stabbing (A lie; Monica could have checked that with her management).
2) Why Graf ran to her family immediately after (and before she shook hands with Seles) she had converted the match-point in the USO 95 final.
3) Why Graf smashed in a wooden wall in the locker room after her loss to Seles at the German Open final 1990.

4) And a blatant factual error (lie ... ?) about the Filderstadt miscount incident (match against Fernandez).

De mortuis nihil nisi bene - but what Karolj Seles said about Graf in 1995 was simply mean.

But Monica Seles has matured and is a nice lady today. I'd like her to come back and have success on the women's tour. But I fear that she will be clobbered by players she would have wiped the floor with in the mid-90ies ... :eek:

moby
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Is 1cm the width of the wound, or the depth?

SM
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:43 AM
i liked it :)

CooCooCachoo
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I read it many, many years ago when I was like 14. I forgot most about it :shrug:

Veritas
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I was a bit unsure and maybe sceptical about some of the points Monica tried to make, but overall, I found the book enjoyable :)

Grafiati
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:51 AM
The only comment I have to make about the book for those who don't have a sharp memory for facts is this: there are some errors that don't make much sense. One of them was that Steffi Graf lost in the 1993 Hamburg semis to Novotna (HUH?) and if I had the book with me I would list more, but it was just strange how they were things that were off- not like the wrong score of a set or anything but just bad info... not sure if it was the co-author who had the faulty memory or what...

But one thing that is interesting about a lot of tennis players is that if they do write autobiographies, they often write them during their careers. It would be interesting to have someone write one after all of their playing days are over (although in Navratilova's case that may never come!!!!).

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:55 AM
The only comment I have to make about the book for those who don't have a sharp memory for facts is this: there are some errors that don't make much sense. One of them was that Steffi Graf lost in the 1993 Hamburg semis to Novotna (HUH?) and if I had the book with me I would list more, but it was just strange how they were things that were off- not like the wrong score of a set or anything but just bad info... not sure if it was the co-author who had the faulty memory or what...

But one thing that is interesting about a lot of tennis players is that if they do write autobiographies, they often write them during their careers. It would be interesting to have someone write one after all of their playing days are over (although in Navratilova's case that may never come!!!!).


Navi will die with her boots on!
:worship:

le bon vivant
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Is 1cm the width of the wound, or the depth?

Knowing the way Cali likes to manipulate the ignorant, most likely it was 1 cm in width.

JDLover
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:36 AM
cant believe the response this board all i can say is OMG

Hot 92 Jamz
Mar 25th, 2005, 11:08 AM
You don't have to be a Monica fan to be inspired by this book. It was such an emotional read for me and you really see how gracious Monica is. :)

JDLover
Mar 25th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Thankyou finally a worthy response
thats what i was looking for

Declan
Mar 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM
cant believe the response this board all i can say is OMG


Just because many people didn't respond in the same way that you did to this book? I've never been a Monica fan, and found myself unmoved by this book. Many errors, a fair bit of self-pity, and I felt it wasn't an honest account of her life, on many levels.

ßcoene
Mar 25th, 2005, 12:22 PM
I red a book about her comeback. It was probably this book. I red it completely in the weekend before an exam. I loved the book and I respect Monica a lot. :worship:

BTW, I had 19/20 for the exam. :D

Geisha
Mar 25th, 2005, 01:18 PM
Knowing the way Cali likes to manipulate the ignorant, most likely it was 1 cm in width.

Yeah. It was three cm deep. If it had been like, 4 mm to the left or right, it would have hit her spinal cord and paralyzed her.

hingis-seles
Mar 25th, 2005, 01:24 PM
I love this book. Brilliant read. :hearts:

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 01:27 PM
I also enjoyed the book :wavey:

faboozadoo15
Mar 25th, 2005, 02:18 PM
i enjoyed the book, as well.

there are some factual errors in it, however.

in response to cali-- how do YOU know that graf tried to contact monica?

how do YOU know why steffi ran to her family first and left monica waiting at the net?

how do YOU know why graf smashed the wall after losing to monica?

what did papa seles say about graf?

and i have a friend who was at the match in filderstadt, and that DID happen. it was even mentioned during wimbledon after sprem was given the phantom point. they talked about the worst chair upms of all time.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 02:25 PM
and i have a friend who was at the match in filderstadt, and that DID happen. it was even mentioned during wimbledon after sprem was given the phantom point. they talked about the worst chair upms of all time.

I have this match on tape, and it is true. They did make a mistake in the tiebreaker score.

moby
Mar 25th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Yeah. It was three cm deep. If it had been like, 4 mm to the left or right, it would have hit her spinal cord and paralyzed her.

And it would have been deeper if Monica had not bent forward to bury her face in her towel, and the very instant of the stab.

Bероника
Mar 25th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Well as a fan of Monica,I really liked the book despite it made me cry at some points.I don't know if it's a good or bad book, but it's certainly very interesting and every Monica fan should read it to understand the story of that great,inspiring woman.

Makes me think how much I'm missing her.Wish she was playing now and adding her "salt" to the Tour. :sad:

Kart
Mar 25th, 2005, 03:01 PM
I love Monica but I don't think the book did her any favours - it was not well written and it made her come across like she was quite bitter but that's not the way she tends to come across otherwise.

Of course, it was written several years ago and she's probably a different person now.

Still, there were some parts I loved and she's still :hearts:.

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Yeah. It was three cm deep. If it had been like, 4 mm to the left or right, it would have hit her spinal cord and paralyzed her.


Seles quotes a doctor saying that it "COULD have caused a spinal paralysis" if the stab wound had been a little bit farther to the left.
It was reported later that Seles didn't allow the medical records to be presented in the trial against G. Parche or in the civil suit she filed against the Citizen Cup organizers. That definitely means her alleged post-traumatic stress syndrome. I'm not quite sure whether it included the stab wound records. Very mysterious ...

butch
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:08 PM
I read the book about 5 years ago and I thought it was interesting. It definitely made me see Monica in a different light - I actually started to like her!

Rollo
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Posted by Kart I love Monica but I don't think the book did her any favours - it was not well written and it made her come across like she was quite bitter but that's not the way she tends to come across otherwise.

Posted by Declan I've never been a Monica fan, and found myself unmoved by this book. Many errors, a fair bit of self-pity, and I felt it wasn't an honest account of her life, on many levels

Those two quotes sum up the whole book IMO. If it served as an emotional release for Monica and her fans I guess it served it's purpose-but it could have a LOT better IMO.

Hopefully she'll write another book in future.

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:23 PM
i enjoyed the book, as well.

there are some factual errors in it, however.

in response to cali-- how do YOU know that graf tried to contact monica?
...

Because she said so. When Monica said publicly that Steffi hadn't tried Steffi was very upset and said that she couldn't understand why Monica could write this. Steffi said that she had contacted Monica's management agency several times but that they wouldn't put her through. Maybe Seles wanted a letter and not a phone call. Well ...


....
how do YOU know why steffi ran to her family first and left monica waiting at the net?
....

She wanted to hug her mother and her brother. It was a very emotional moment for the Graf family because Pa Graf had been thrown into prison 4 weeks earlier. Can Seles not understand this? At least she could have mentioned Steffi's emotional status in those weeks in her book. She choose not do it. Why?


....

how do YOU know why graf smashed the wall after losing to monica?
...


Steffi said that she played terrible because of the Sex/Daddy/blackmail scandal that had exploded in German tabloids just 3 days before the final (Seles of course doesn't mention this in her book. Why?). And she felt that the tabloids had succeeded in bringing her down.


....

what did papa seles say about graf?
....


He said in summer 1995 (when Seles was about to return to the tour) that Graf was a "knife #1" and he criticized that she continued to play tennis although her dad was in the slammer. A good daughter wouldn't do that!

....

and i have a friend who was at the match in filderstadt, and that DID happen. it was even mentioned during wimbledon after sprem was given the phantom point. they talked about the worst chair upms of all time.


Exactly, it was - almost - the same as the Sprem incident. MJ Fernandez got a free point, the umpire counted "3-2 Miss Fernandez" instead of "2-2". Bad, but only one point. What does Seles make of this in her book? I had to read it twice - it is un-be-lie-va-ble!

Seles says SHE had a 3-1 lead in the tie-breaker (3rd set) against MJF. Then a controversial ball from Seles. The umpire ruled her ball out, Seles thought it might have been in. The ump - of course - prevailed. But then - says Seles! - the umpire counted 4-1 in MARY JOE'S favour. Instead of 3-2 in Monica's favour! Seles suggests that TWO points were stolen from her AND awarded to her OPPONENT!!!!!

When I read this I knew that the aim of her book was not to promote the truth. It was IMG propaganda. Maybe the Seles camp thought that they had the right to twist the facts in their favour ...

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:25 PM
I have this match on tape, and it is true. They did make a mistake in the tiebreaker score.


Tell us what happened. And tell us what Seles writes about it in her book.
Come on!

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:27 PM
I love Monica but I don't think the book did her any favours - it was not well written and it made her come across like she was quite bitter but that's not the way she tends to come across otherwise.

Of course, it was written several years ago and she's probably a different person now.

Still, there were some parts I loved and she's still :hearts:.


A voice of reason.

Yes, I don't think Seles would write a book like this today (it was written in 1996).

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Tell us what happened. And tell us what Seles writes about it in her book.
Come on!

Ok, I will go home and watch the end of that match again this evening, and let you know exactly what happened.

MrYonex
Mar 25th, 2005, 05:33 PM
This was an amazing book! Monica went through so much in her life, and it is really inspirational how she was able to come back!

Calimero377: What is your issue that you have to be such a bastard and try and bash Monica all the time? Do you not have a life? If not, get one, please!

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:11 PM
This was an amazing book! Monica went through so much in her life, and it is really inspirational how she was able to come back!

Calimero377: What is your issue that you have to be such a bastard and try and bash Monica all the time? Do you not have a life? If not, get one, please!


I don't bash Monica.
I only bash her rabid fans when they try to twist FACTS.
And I hate IMG, true ...

Knizzle
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Seles quotes a doctor saying that it "COULD have caused a spinal paralysis" if the stab wound had been a little bit farther to the left.
It was reported later that Seles didn't allow the medical records to be presented in the trial against G. Parche or in the civil suit she filed against the Citizen Cup organizers. That definitely means her alleged post-traumatic stress syndrome. I'm not quite sure whether it included the stab wound records. Very mysterious ...

What does it matter to you Cali. Gunter Parche can't make Steffi look bad. Unless YOU think Steffi was involved somehow.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:23 PM
I don't bash Monica.

lie

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:27 PM
What does it matter to you Cali. Gunter Parche can't make Steffi look bad. Unless YOU think Steffi was involved somehow.

I respect Monica Seles.
I even supported after Steffi retired in 1999.

But I just don't like how rabid Selesians try to milk The Stabbing by declaring it the greatest crime and resurrection story since they crucified Jesus Christ.
And I don't like how Seles and her dad tried to let Steffi look bad in the mid-90ies.

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:30 PM
lie


That from someone who calls 1990 the year when the Seles "domination began" and who still maintains that Seles' started her career on the WTA in 1989 (instead of March 1988) ...

Freak! :eek:

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:35 PM
That from someone who calls 1990 the year when the Seles "domination began" and who still maintains that Seles' started her career on the WTA in 1989 (instead of March 1988) ...

Freak! :eek:

Cali, as much as you dont want to admit it, Monica's PRO career started on feb 13, 1989.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Hey Cali, take a look at this. I think the WTA would be correct on when Monica turned PRO officially, right? ;)

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=190141

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:40 PM
Cali, as much as you dont want to admit it, Monica's PRO career started on feb 13, 1989.


You are obsessed with this "pro" thing, aren't you?
What the hell does it mean?

That Seles didn't receive prize money in 1988????

She played WTA top tier tournaments in 1988, won matches, lost matches.
Those matches count in every data base, in every statistics, even Seles fansites add those matches.

If I remember correctly Graf was an "amateur" still in 1985 ...

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:43 PM
I respect Monica Seles.
I even supported after Steffi retired in 1999.

But I just don't like how rabid Selesians try to milk The Stabbing by declaring it the greatest crime and resurrection story since they crucified Jesus Christ.
And I don't like how Seles and her dad tried to let Steffi look bad in the mid-90ies.

Maybe you are thinking if you down play the attack that happened to Monica, you wont feel as bad about what you did.
And you supporting Monica after 99 is so funny, cause I know that is another one of your lies.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Hey Cali, take a look at this. I think the WTA would be correct on when Monica turned PRO officially, right? ;)

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=190141

Cali, did the wta link to Monica's career stats not reach your PC monitor dumbo? :lol:

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:47 PM
You are obsessed with this "pro" thing, aren't you?
What the hell does it mean?

That Seles didn't receive prize money in 1988????

She played WTA top tier tournaments in 1988, won matches, lost matches.
Those matches count in every data base, in every statistics, even Seles fansites add those matches.

If I remember correctly Graf was an "amateur" still in 1985 ...

Its not counted in the win/loss. Thats why it is important, thats why 89 is considered her first year by the WTA. So when I say Monica's 1st year is 1989 as a professional player, I am telling the truth. Unlike you, that keeps trying to tell people the opposite.

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Cali, did the wta link to Monica's career stats not reach your PC monitor dumbo? :lol:



"1988 Career Results

Virginia Slims of Florida
Boca Raton, FL -:- March 1988
[Outdoor/Hard -:- Draw: 64 -:- Rank: N/A]
Singles

1R: defeats Helen Kelesi 7-6(3), 6-3
2R: lost to Chris Evert 6-2,6-1

The Lipton Championships
Key Biscayne, FL -:- March 1988
[Outdoor/Hard -:- Draw: 128 -:- Rank: N/A]
Singles

1R: defeats Louise Field 6-0,6-3
2R: lost to Gabriela Sabatini 7-6,6-3

Virginia Slims of New Orleans
New Orleans, LA -:- October 1988
[Outdoor/Hard -:- Draw: 32 -:- Rank: N/A]
Singles

1R: defeats Amy Frazier 4-6,6-4,7-6(1)
2R: defeats Gretchen Magers 6-4,6-4
QF: defeats Lori McNeil 6-1,6-3
SF: lost to Anne Smith 6-1,4-3 (Retired)
1988 Year End Stats:
Tournaments Entered Victories Matches Won Matches Lost Sets Won Sets Lost
3 0 5 3 10 7
Career Stats (Year Ending 1988):
Tournaments Entered Victories Matches Won Matches Lost Sets Won Sets Lost
3 0 5 3 10 7"


And now a guess where I got those stats from?
You won't believe it ...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Its not counted in the win/loss. Thats why it is important, thats why 89 is considered her first year by the WTA. So when I say Monica's 1st year is 1989 as a professional player, I am telling the truth. Unlike you, that keeps trying to tell people the opposite.


It is.
I have the 1996 Corel WTA Tour Media Guide in front of me.

"Monica Seles
....
(yadda-yadda-yadda)
...
Won 250th match by defeating Mary Pierce in quarterfinals of 1993 Paris Indoors.
...."

And guess what, you have to add Monica's 1988 wins to get to 250 wins up to that Pierce match.
Gotcha!!!

(Sometimes it's so easy ....)

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Yes Cali, how many times will I explain this to you? Monica has played Junior matches and amatuer matches before she turned pro. As WTA site says, Monica Seles turned PROFESSIONAL on FEBRAUARY 13, 1989.

Yes, she has played amatuer matches before, but that is not considered HER 1ST YEAR AS A PRO PLAYER.

Now if you dont understand that, than its obvious that you DONT want to understand.

So once again, what is the date that WTA site says Monica turned professional? :wavey:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Yes Cali, how many times will I explain this to you? Monica has played Junior matches and amatuer matches before she turned pro. As WTA site says, Monica Seles turned PROFESSIONAL on FEBRAUARY 13, 1989.

Yes, she has played amatuer matches before, but that is not considered HER 1ST YEAR AS A PRO PLAYER.

Now if you dont understand that, than its obvious that you DONT want to understand.

So once again, what is the date that WTA site says Monica turned professional? :wavey:


You started this crap by maintaining that Monica won her first slam (FO 90) in her second year "on the tour". This lie has been uncovered.

BTW, would you be so kind to explain to us what the difference between a "pro player" and an "amateur player" playing in the same event is?

Declan
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Regardless of her status, Seles played a handful of tournaments on the professional tour in 1988. This is the year that her records begin, and she joined the WTA computer rankings in 1988, after her third tournament.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:11 PM
You started this crap by maintaining that Monica won her first slam (FO 90) in her second year "on the tour". This lie has been uncovered.

BTW, would you be so kind to explain to us what the difference between a "pro player" and an "amateur player" playing in the same event is?

She did win her 1st GS in her 2nd year on the tour as a pro tennis player.

"pro player" - Performed by persons receiving pay.

"amateur player" -A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession. An athlete who has has not accepted money.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Regardless of her status, Seles played a handful of tournaments on the professional tour in 1988. This is the year that her records begin, and she joined the WTA computer rankings in 1988, after her third tournament.

Than why not just count junior matches too for win/loss records?

VeNuS#1LoVa
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:14 PM
What a great book, I read it obviously for many reasons, but also cuz it was a chapter book about week in week out action which is what we need more of.

Joana
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Now this is a totally meaningless discussion. Amateur or not, she played those tournaments and those results count in her records. So WTF is all the fuss about?

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:18 PM
Now this is a totally meaningless discussion. Amateur or not, she played those tournaments and those results count in her records. So WTF is all the fuss about?

The fuss is about when Monica turned pro.

Joana
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:23 PM
And what significant difference does it make?

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:25 PM
And what significant difference does it make?

What difference does it make? What difference does discussing any players stats make? It makes for conversation and debate.

spencercarlos
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:28 PM
You are obsessed with this "pro" thing, aren't you?
What the hell does it mean?

That Seles didn't receive prize money in 1988????

She played WTA top tier tournaments in 1988, won matches, lost matches.
Those matches count in every data base, in every statistics, even Seles fansites add those matches.

If I remember correctly Graf was an "amateur" still in 1985 ...
Stop the idiotics Cal, everybody knows Steffi turned pro in 1982. You the one who saw (or talk tons about it) the Austin match should be more than aware of that.

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=70044

ANyway i will be back.... there is ton of sh.t from you to respond to .. :devil:

LeRoy.
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:37 PM
What difference does it make? What difference does discussing any players stats make? It makes for conversation and debate.

The self appointed MB police are on the prowl. Did you take their permission before having this discussion ? ;)

Joana
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:42 PM
What difference does it make? What difference does discussing any players stats make? It makes for conversation and debate.

What I wanted to say was: why is it important that she wasn't pro in 1988 if she played on WTA tour? Are you saying those results shouldn't count? If so, why?

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:44 PM
The self appointed MB police are on the prowl. Did you take their permission before having this discussion ? ;)

:lol:.....Hi LolaB and Spencercarlos :wavey:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Than why not just count junior matches too for win/loss records?


Ask your own website, Dumbo ...
:lol:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Now this is a totally meaningless discussion. Amateur or not, she played those tournaments and those results count in her records. So WTF is all the fuss about?


I don't know Joana-baby.
This R&J totally lost it somehow.
Be careful, that's the results of too much Seles devotion. It's makes you brains cells die ....
:eek:

faboozadoo15
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:56 PM
monica seles won the 4th slam she played. whether this is in the 2nd or third year of her "career" cannot be overshadowned by how impressive that is in the first place. as far as the word career goes, i would say it's when the player turns professional. i can see how you see that as dumb since she played a few matches as an amateur, but very few players ever have had substantial careers as amateurs (open era). also, monica's 88 was really just testing the waters; she has said herself that she wanted to keep herself open for a college scholarship.
and a few tournaments with zero slams played doesn't really qualify to me as a "year on tour." just my opinion.

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Ask your own website, Dumbo ...


Cali you are loony :lol:

Calimero377
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Cali you are loony :lol:


How did you blackmail Monica to smile on you avatar picture?

R&J
Mar 25th, 2005, 11:56 PM
How did you blackmail Monica to smile on you avatar picture?

Of course I didnt have to :lol:
She asked ME to play tennis with her the next day. Good things happen to good people :wavey:

K-Dog
Mar 26th, 2005, 12:11 AM
You started this crap by maintaining that Monica won her first slam (FO 90) in her second year "on the tour". This lie has been uncovered.

BTW, would you be so kind to explain to us what the difference between a "pro player" and an "amateur player" playing in the same event is?

I'm sorry. but how many years did it take Graf to start winning slams? It took her a lot longer than Seles to win her first major. Steffi turned pro in 1982. Seles in "1988" by your interpretation. Graf didn't win her first slam until 1987. That's almost 4.5 years after she turned pro in October 1982. It took Seles 2.25 years to win her first!!

Are you obsessed with Steffi or something? I think you are a stalker or something. GET A LIFE!! Leave the house for something besides work you hermit!!

Veritas
Mar 26th, 2005, 02:09 AM
About this pro-issue: did the WTA list 13 February 1989 as date when Monica turned pro because of her age, the number of matches she was required to play to become one, or both?

I was under the impression that a player is recognised as a professional if they are at least 15 years old and has played a full-year circuit on Tour. Monica did play a few pro matches back in '88, but she was only 14 and didn't turn 15 until 2 December 1989.

So Monica played her first professional match at Boca Raton in 1989 (14 years and 3 months), but she was not recognised as a professional player until 13 February 1989.

Calimero377
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:21 PM
I'm sorry. but how many years did it take Graf to start winning slams? It took her a lot longer than Seles to win her first major. Steffi turned pro in 1982. Seles in "1988" by your interpretation. Graf didn't win her first slam until 1987. That's almost 4.5 years after she turned pro in October 1982. It took Seles 2.25 years to win her first!! ...


Hingis won her first slam with 16 years 3 months. Seles with 16 years 6 months. Graf with 17 years 11 months. Navi with 21 years 10 months.
Hingis won 5 slams, Seles 9, Graf 22, Navi 18.
Your point being?
:wavey:

R&J
Mar 27th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Good or Bad talk - Monica Seles will always live on in the world of tennis, even long after she has gone. A lot of fans still miss Monica, wishing her all the best :wavey:

Hot 92 Jamz
Mar 28th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Those two quotes sum up the whole book IMO. If it served as an emotional release for Monica and her fans I guess it served it's purpose-but it could have a LOT better IMO.

Hopefully she'll write another book in future.

That's exactly the purpose that the book served. As a fan of Monica's, even I can admit that the book was poorly written but I overlooked it because there was a bigger picture: the book was, as you said, an emotional release for Monica and for us.

I hope she writes another book after she retires as a form of closure for everyone.

andrewbroad
Mar 30th, 2005, 11:50 PM
If there's one book everyone should read at least once in their lifetime, it's Monica - From Fear to Victory.

And I disagree that it's poorly written, even if it does contain the odd factual error such as the description of Monica's match-point against Martina Navrátilová on 29th July 1995 (it was a winner by Monica, not an error by Navrátilová).

A thoroughly gripping and insightful account of Monica's life, with valuable lessons for all of us.

--
Dr. Andrew Broad
http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/ (http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/)
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http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/seles/ (http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/seles/)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/selesians/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/selesians/)

rada
Mar 31st, 2005, 01:21 AM
i loved to book ;)

Philbo
Mar 31st, 2005, 01:33 AM
The most laughable position our resident moron Calimero takes is this:

He 'excuses' or justifies Graf's SO CALLED, ALLEGED 'slump' during 1990-1992 as being a result of Daddy Graf fucking strippers and cheating on taxes and the tabloid coverage etc etc. Steffi is 'allowed' to be affected by the off court drama's.

However when Monica gets stabbed on a tennis court, during a change over in a typical match, he expects her to be back and playingf full time within a month or two, with no mental repurcussions or residual affect.

So Graf gets to have 2/3 years where her greatness slips because of some bad press articles, but Monica doesnt get the same treatment for getting stabbed on court.

THAT ladies and gentleman, is the sort of madman you are dealing with when you get into the really passionate Steffi fans - Completely fucked up individuals with no grasp on reality.

Exhibit A - Gunther Parche
Exhibit B - Calimero377

LiliaLee-Frazier
Mar 31st, 2005, 01:35 AM
:worship: :hearts: There may be an argument as to who is the best that has ever played the game... but there is no doubt that Monica had and still has the biggest heart to have ever played the game of tennis or any other sport..male or female :hearts: :worship:

Grice
Mar 31st, 2005, 01:36 AM
I love that book too. The dry facts don't really matter.. it's nice reading about Monica's personal life etc. She's a true heroine!

and I wish certain people would just keep these Monica Threads purely for the purposes they were created for :rolleyes:

Grice
Mar 31st, 2005, 01:40 AM
The most laughable position our resident moron Calimero takes is this:

He 'excuses' or justifies Graf's SO CALLED, ALLEGED 'slump' during 1990-1992 as being a result of Daddy Graf fucking strippers and cheating on taxes and the tabloid coverage etc etc. Steffi is 'allowed' to be affected by the off court drama's.

However when Monica gets stabbed on a tennis court, during a change over in a typical match, he expects her to be back and playingf full time within a month or two, with no mental repurcussions or residual affect.

So Graf gets to have 2/3 years where her greatness slips because of some bad press articles, but Monica doesnt get the same treatment for getting stabbed on court.

THAT ladies and gentleman, is the sort of madman you are dealing with when you get into the really passionate Steffi fans - Completely fucked up individuals with no grasp on reality.

Exhibit A - Gunther Parche
Exhibit B - Calimero377

:lol: well said :lol:

venusinfurs
Jul 13th, 2013, 11:26 PM
I want to read more about Monica Seles as i find her and the unfortunate events that effected her life and career fascinating... her record as a teen was ridiculous and will likely never be repeated.

Anyway my question is this, which of the two autobiographies is the better read?

Tennis Fool
Jul 13th, 2013, 11:57 PM
^ I don't know, but you probably could also ask in the Seles forum, which continues to be active.

AjdeNate!
Jul 14th, 2013, 02:08 AM
I want to read more about Monica Seles as i find her and the unfortunate events that effected her life and career fascinating... her record as a teen was ridiculous and will likely never be repeated.

Anyway my question is this, which of the two autobiographies is the better read?

'Getting a Grip' is far more personal, I believe. I do recommend them both. I would read 'From Fear to Victory' first. It helps set up the dark depression discussed in 'Getting a Grip'.

Theukman38
Jul 14th, 2013, 07:59 AM
I will have to order it.Sounds interesting to read.

venusinfurs
Jul 14th, 2013, 04:56 PM
'Getting a Grip' is far more personal, I believe. I do recommend them both. I would read 'From Fear to Victory' first. It helps set up the dark depression discussed in 'Getting a Grip'.

Thanks, i'm more interested into insight into her tennis career and obviously some personal stuff but not a whole book about an eating disorder, so i'm guessing Fear to Victory is the one to read?