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Darop.
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:59 PM
Up 5-0 in 1st set.

Up 5-3 in 2nd set.

She played gross. Venus is right, she has no weapons, she was just hitting the ball back, even though I only saw the last set.

Well, I'm tired of getting my hopes up and Silvia choking, so I'm no longer her fan. And I'm changing my avatar as soon as I find a nice one to put on.

UDiTY
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:00 PM
She's a good fighter, but she has no weapons.


Tough loss in a winnable match today.

Drimal
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:00 PM
:worship: :D Well done Jelena! :worship: :D
This will be a very interesting match now Mirza-Jankovic! :p :angel:

Joana
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:01 PM
PHEW!!!! Thank you, tennis gods! :woohoo:
Jelena needed this win SOOOO much after all the shit she's been through since the beginning of the season. And finally she's not the one who chokes. We've seen too much of that. Well done, girl! :yeah:

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:02 PM
Up 5-0 in 1st set.

Up 5-3 in 2nd set.

She played gross. Venus is right, she has no weapons, she was just hitting the ball back, even though I only saw the last set.

Sorry Silvia, but I'm no longer your fan. And I'm changing my avatar as soon as I find a nice one to put on.


Many of us knew that Venus was right.

ghosts
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:02 PM
I dunno why Farina gave up at the end, it was painful to watch her
she had obviously ran out of any power but still strange...

Congrats Jelena :bounce:
stayed calm and focused throughout the match ;)

DevilishAttitude
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:02 PM
:rolleyes: @ DADYO :rolleyes:

Silvia does have weapons. She was hitting a lot of winners for a while. She ran out of gas in the end

One choke too many from Silvia :o She played better than last night for a set and a half but the minute it got tough it was over

Jankovic is a weird player. She doesn't have a great serve or big game yet at times her consisentesy was :eek:

Oneofakind0490
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:03 PM
I was really surprised by the fight from Jelena. She really hasn't had a lot of confidence lately so this will will be good. Good luck against Sania.

hablo
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:04 PM
Poor Silvia!
(go Momo :angel: even if you're not playing this week! )

Joana
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:04 PM
It was a torture to watch really. I don't know how Jelena pulled through this one! She can play much, much better than she did today. Still, a very gutsy performance.

Pengwin
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:05 PM
:eek:

I stopped watching when she was serving for the match because I assumsed she'd win :eek :eek:

RussiansFan
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:05 PM
Silvia had run out of energies, otherwise she wolud have won, the third set shows this very clearly...

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:06 PM
Farina was probably extremely tired. Yesterday's match was mentally draining. This match was almost two hours. She just hasn't been playing as well as she would like.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:06 PM
Perhaps she should try sucking and then spitting it out...spitting is not sexy, but it's sexier than choking!

Darop.
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:06 PM
Silvia had run out of energies, otherwise she wolud have won, the third set shows this very clearly...

Nah, Jelena was the better player.

Time for Silvia to retire.

daniela86
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:06 PM
phew :D jela showed some mental strenght which impressed me! :kiss: well done, finally a great win in 2005! :kiss: i think her new coatch helped her! congrats jelena and good luck against mirza :bigclap: :bigclap: :clap2: :clap2: :cool: you can beat her! go!!! :hug: :)

Melly Flew Us
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:07 PM
'isuck and i choke'?
i'm pretty certain her husband will not be pleased about you advertising silvia's deepthroat talents. ;)

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:08 PM
I dunno why Farina gave up at the end, it was painful to watch her
she had obviously ran out of any power but still strange...

Congrats Jelena :bounce:
stayed calm and focused throughout the match ;)
Didn't she say that she almost ran out of gas in the second set against Vee? She needs some conditioning and a weapon.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:10 PM
:rolleyes: @ DADYO :rolleyes:

Silvia does have weapons. She was hitting a lot of winners for a while. She ran out of gas in the end

One choke too many from Silvia :o She played better than last night for a set and a half but the minute it got tough it was over

Jankovic is a weird player. She doesn't have a great serve or big game yet at times her consisentesy was :eek:
What are her weapons? :confused:

Mrs. Peel
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:10 PM
I thought SFE had weapons, was consistant..bla, bla, bla...I mean she did beat the fucking Venus Williams yesterday. I guess that win alone was enough for her to fade out of the tourney in the second round....She should be able to rest on those laurels alone..WELL DONE SILVIA!!! :bounce: :rolleyes: As someone already said about Venus...you are only as good as your last match :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:11 PM
'isuck and i choke'?
i'm pretty certain her husband will not be pleased about you advertising silvia's deepthroat talents. ;)
:p :lol:

DevilishAttitude
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:11 PM
What are her weapons? :confused:

She has a good forehand and backhand. She is consisent. She has great variety.

There you go :)

Jenny.C.Fan
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:13 PM
Silvia looked tired final set, she get's too tight at the most important points of the match, was a shame she couldn't close it 2day.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:14 PM
Farina was probably extremely tired. Yesterday's match was mentally draining. This match was almost two hours. She just hasn't been playing as well as she would like.
I think what was maybe more mentally draining was not her last match, but the comments about her by Williams, and the way the press picked up on them.

I mean maybe Williams only meant to put herself down that she hadn't done what she should have in the match, but I hate the way she just went and insulted Silvia. It just aint nice.

As for Silvia choking the match, I think she's a very skillful all - round player - she did shock Sharapova in rome last yr, and took her all the way in Melbourne, and has had some great results, She should really know by now how to close a match out.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:14 PM
I thought SFE had weapons, was consistant..bla, bla, bla...I mean she did beat the fucking Venus Williams yesterday. I guess that win alone was enough for her to fade out of the tourney in the second round....She should be able to rest on those laurels alone..WELL DONE SILVIA!!! :bounce: :rolleyes: As someone already said about Venus...you are only as good as your last match :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:o

Anyway, I still think she needs some conditioning because, didn't she take Maria to three sets at the AO and then she ran out of gas.

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:15 PM
'isuck and i choke'?
i'm pretty certain her husband will not be pleased about you advertising silvia's deepthroat talents. ;)

LOL!!!!!!

Silvia has a good forehand, but it's not a substantial weapon. She plays a physically demanding game, and a big reason that she's never had a real breakthrough is because her game is so demanding.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:17 PM
She has a good forehand and backhand. She is consisent. She has great variety.

There you go :)
Okay, are the forehand and backhand excellent? All of the players on the tour have good forehands and backhands or they wouldn't be pros. Consistency is not a weapon. What variety?

When I say weapons, I mean forehands like Lindsay, backhands like Vee and Justine, serves like Serena, slice like Graf, etc.

Veenut
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:18 PM
Up 5-0 in 1st set.

Up 5-3 in 2nd set.

She played gross. Venus is right, she has no weapons, she was just hitting the ball back, even though I only saw the last set.

Well, I'm tired of getting my hopes up and Silvia choking, so I'm no longer her fan. And I'm changing my avatar as soon as I find a nice one to put on.

Where is the outrage from the Williams haters? Silvia is not giving her opponent any credit here !!! :haha: Oh I forgot the rule, last name not Williams it is OK to be self critical and say what you want. :devil:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:19 PM
Where is the outrage from the Williams haters? Silvia is not giving her opponent any credit here !!! :haha: Oh I forgot the rule, last name not Williams it is OK to be self critical and say what you want. :devil:
:yeah:

Paneru
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:20 PM
Where is the outrage from the Williams haters? Silvia is not giving her opponent any credit here !!! :haha: Oh I forgot the rule, last name not Williams it is OK to be self critical and say what you want. :devil:

You must be talking about "Julia full
of class & dignity!" ;)

The one whom disparages Venus for simply telling the truth
and having no respect for Silvia by doing so! :angel:

Joana
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:20 PM
Some of you act as if she had lost to a journeywoman or something. :rolleyes:
Jelena Jankovic is a very good player!

DevilishAttitude
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:21 PM
Okay, are the forehand and backhand excellent? All of the players on the tour have good forehands and backhands or they wouldn't be pros. Consistency is not a weapon. What variety?

When I say weapons, I mean forehands like Lindsay, backhands like Vee and Justine, serves like Serena, slice like Graf, etc.

Consisentesy is a weapon. That's why she beat Venus yesterday :tape:
Silvia has more variety than both the sisters put together

Anyway you shouldn't be talking about players you don't know since you only ever post about the Williams and Sharapova :o

Paneru
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:23 PM
Some of you act as if she had lost to a journeywoman or something. :rolleyes:
Jelena Jankovic is a very good player!

With all the talk she and others here have had to
say about her win over Venus despite her visible
ailments has warranted this.

No one is taking anything
from Jankovic! :p

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:23 PM
She beat Jankovic three straight times which is a lot better than the record Venus had against Farina Ella. The difference is Farina Ella lead throughout the match like she did against Venus and just completely folded. You would think the 30 something year old player would use her experience in situations to prevail against the younger Jankovic. Farina Ella honestly lost two matches this week. One where she won on paper and this one.

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:24 PM
Consisentesy is a weapon. That's why she beat Venus yesterday :tape:
Silvia has more variety than both the sisters put together

Anyway you shouldn't be talking about players you don't know since you only ever post about the Williams and Sharapova :o
Venus had blisters and an abdominal injury. She was hitting first serves at 71 mph as a result of it.

That is why Venus lost yesterday, and it's amazing the match was as close as it was.

bmxbandit
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:25 PM
Umm....JJ is a fighter, so no surprise here.

GO JJ!

Mrs. Peel
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:28 PM
Some of you act as if she had lost to a journeywoman or something. :rolleyes:
Jelena Jankovic is a very good player!

Obviously Jankovic is a good player...the scoreline shows us that. It is just that yesterday SFE was some remarkable player because she beat an injured Venus. We are interested to see what those people who were touting SFE yesterday have to say now?

So far all I'm reading is that she was tired :rolleyes: :tape: Or that is is Venus' fault :rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:29 PM
Consisentesy is a weapon. That's why she beat Venus yesterday :tape:
Silvia has more variety than both the sisters put together

Anyway you shouldn't be talking about players you don't know since you only ever post about the Williams and Sharapova :o
She had less ue's than Venus but still she had a ton, that's not consistant. Consistancy is only a weapon when you almost never miss..Evert, Hingis...

vettipooh
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:30 PM
I thought SFE had weapons, was consistant..bla, bla, bla...I mean she did beat the fucking Venus Williams yesterday. I guess that win alone was enough for her to fade out of the tourney in the second round....She should be able to rest on those laurels alone..WELL DONE SILVIA!!! :bounce: :rolleyes: As someone already said about Venus...you are only as good as your last match :rolleyes: :rolleyes::lol: :lol: :lol:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:32 PM
Consisentesy is a weapon. That's why she beat Venus yesterday :tape:
Silvia has more variety than both the sisters put together

Anyway you shouldn't be talking about players you don't know since you only ever post about the Williams and Sharapova :o
Well, yeah I guess you can call it a weapon unless while you're getting the ball back in court somebody else is hitting winners, which is what happened to her today and against Maria at the AO. Consistency runs out, especially when the person with better weapons is NOT injured and starts to find their shots. :o :tape:

You say she has more variety than both the sisters put together, huh? Okay, maybe that's why they have more slams and titles and a better ranking than her. :lol: Anyway, on a more serious note, I'm not here to compare Silvia to the sisters, I'm asking you what are the variety of shots she has, if you know.

Also, I can talk about any players I want to talk about. Am I mistaken or is this a tennis message board? I'm not understanding why you're posting about her, since all you can do is bash the Sisters.

cometz9
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:35 PM
Good job Jelena :D

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:35 PM
She beat Jankovic three straight times which is a lot better than the record Venus had against Farina Ella.
:confused: I thought Venus has beaten Silvia 7 straight times and this was her first loss to her. Am I mistaken?

gmak
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:35 PM
pathetic from silvia :banghead: :rolleyes: :fiery:

totally pathetic, somehow i knew she would be broken when she served for the match :(

Mrs. Peel
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:41 PM
:confused: I thought Venus has beaten Silvia 7 straight times and this was her first loss to her. Am I mistaken?

Wannabeknowitall is really Doesntknowshitatall......:lol:

Teemu
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:44 PM
Congrats Jelena! Nice way to fight it out, though Silvia seemed to help as best as she could.
Btw. I really liked Jelena's outfit, she looked great. :)

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:44 PM
Wannabeknowitall is really Doesntknowshitatall......:lol:
I was getting ready to say...am I losing MY mind. :p :lol:

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:44 PM
:confused: I thought Venus has beaten Silvia 7 straight times and this was her first loss to her. Am I mistaken?

9 straight, actually ;)

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:45 PM
Where is the outrage from the Williams haters? Silvia is not giving her opponent any credit here !!! :haha: Oh I forgot the rule, last name not Williams it is OK to be self critical and say what you want. :devil:
ok, pooint taken. I can see why you would jump to this conclusion.

I am not a fan of williams (either one) at all but think that under the circumstances of Farina Ella's win, where, by the sound of it (i did not see the match, so I am going by what I can deduce from this forum) Farina Ella had several chances to take the match, yes it's fine not to give credit to her opponant, as she sould definately have taken the match. Think about the circumstances, she would be distraught at having thrown away something she could build on, and after having beat Williams, She should have been feeling pretty good about herself. I reckon Williams's coments could have contributed to her choking th match, but quite frankly, after throwing a match away, do you really want to start heaping praise on your opponant when you effectively had it in the bag?

In the cases of many losses by venus and serena, they have both been beaten by someone who was better on the day in many cases, then they go and moan about why their game was bad enough to allow the other player to play well enough to beat them.

I really think you ave to look a bit deeper here;)


oh and, btw, after Maria won the YEC, She would have been pretty happy to come through and win a match where she was being well and truly thrashed by Williams. I a a big fan of Maria, and the fact that she pulled through means she probably would not have been thinking of anyone else at the moment she was interviewed. I really wish people would stop clinging to this one case, where she did not put anyone down, and even apologised the following day for not crediting Serena's Fighting spirit!



I'm sorry, but there's one word for your post: "Shallow" !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mrs. Peel
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:45 PM
Here is the head to head for Doesn'tknowshitatall...


http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerheadtoheaddetail.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=230220&Player1ID=60061

Venus Williams leads 9-1. That includes yesterdays *loss* :lol:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:48 PM
ok, pooint taken. I can see why you would jump to this conclusion.

I am not a fan of williams (either one) at all but think that under the circumstances of Farina Ella's win, where, by the sound of it (i did not see the match, so I am going by what I can deduce from this forum) Farina Ella had several chances to take the match, yes it's fine not to give credit to her opponant, as she sould definately have taken the match. Think about the circumstances, she would be distraught at having thrown away something she could build on, and after having beat Williams, She should have been feeling pretty good about herself. I reckon Williams's coments could have contributed to her choking th match, but quite frankly, after throwing a match away, do you really want to start heaping praise on your opponant when you effectively had it in the bag?

In the cases of many losses by venus and serena, they have both been beaten by someone who was better on the day in many cases, then they go and moan about why their game was bad enough to allow the other player to play well enough to beat them.

I really think you ave to look a bit deeper here;)


oh and, btw, after Maria won the YEC, She would have been pretty happy to come through and win a match where she was being well and truly thrashed by Williams. I a a big fan of Maria, and the fact that she pulled through means she probably would not have been thinking of anyone else at the moment she was interviewed. I really wish people would stop clinging to this one case, where she did not put anyone down, and even apologised the following day for not crediting Serena's Fighting spirit!



I'm sorry, but there's one word for your post: "Shallow" !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
:bs:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:48 PM
pathetic from silvia :banghead: :rolleyes: :fiery:

totally pathetic, somehow i knew she would be broken when she served for the match :(
I would agree fully.

This is perhaps why she was a little preoccupied in the post match conference to think about crediting her opponant?!! :rolleyes:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:49 PM
Denise, would you like to elaborate on that statement?

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:55 PM
Denise, would you like to elaborate on that statement?
You don't know what "BS" means?

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:02 PM
umm yes i do.......

but I think just putting 'bs' and not saying why is just as shallow, cos you haven't given any evidence;)

you're talking a load of crap ;)

.....unless you actually back it up with a reason

Lapin
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:04 PM
I don't usually follow Sylvia's matches, but I saw her 'live' in the quarter finals of the Open Gaz de France last year against Kim Clijsters. Sylvia played really well and very consistently, got herself into a winning position, but couldn't close out the match and Kim won in the end. I just have the impression, having also watched her match against Venus yesterday, that Sylvia has problems closing out matches. Still, Jelena, although her results haven't been that great recently, is a good 'up and coming' player and maybe Sylvia got tired after so much emotion in the match yesterday...

lionel
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:04 PM
I want remember Silvia is about 33years old...
She finished to play yesterday night at 9 pm, after a fighted match (even if venus was injured...:rolleyes: )and today ha had to play against a girl who is 13 years younger. And she was leading 6-4 5-3!!!
I think she's still a great player, how many "more than 30yrs" players are in the top25?

Now she can rest and she'll be ready for her last great claycourt season.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:06 PM
umm yes i do.......

but I think just putting 'bs' and not saying why is just as shallow, cos you haven't given any evidence;)

you're talking a load of crap ;)

.....unless you actually back it up with a reason
You can think that if you want to. I really don't care. Would it do any good to sit here and explain to you why your post is bullshit? Those of us who know it's bullshit, don't need an explanation and those of you who do not think it is, no explanation will suffice, so what's the point?

Besides, I only argue when I feel like it. No one can goad me into an argument. :) Especially about bullshit.

Martian KC
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:10 PM
Congrats Jelena!:D

Wiggly
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:13 PM
Thanks Jelena, I won my PAW :hearts:

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:14 PM
Ugh. I made a mistake. Why would I say that Farina Ella basically lost twice in two days if I didn't know that Farina Ella was Venus' bitch before yesterday? I meant to say that Farina's 3 wins against Jankovic isn't any better than Venus 9 straight wins against her.

_Cell-chuk
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:16 PM
I saw the entire match. On a fast court Jankovic would beat Farina in 2 easy sets. She is too solid and powerful for Farina. But here the court was slow, the balls were slow, the fog was coming. So everything was perfect for Farina. But lets give credit to Jankovic who in the end realized she needed to stay in the rallies rather than trying to go for winners all the time which was impossible to do in one of the slowest courts of the tour.

CooCooCachoo
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:16 PM
I am glad Jelena won the match :D

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:16 PM
I wish Mrs. Peel and Denise would stop questioning every snytaz error that I happen to make.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:18 PM
I wish Mrs. Peel and Denise would stop questioning every snytaz error that I happen to make.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:19 PM
Denise what's your ethnicity?

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:20 PM
Denise what's your ethnicity?
:confused:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:24 PM
You can think that if you want to. I really don't care. Would it do any good to sit here and explain to you why your post is bullshit? Those of us who know it's bullshit, don't need an explanation and those of you who do not think it is, no explanation will suffice, so what's the point?

Besides, I only argue when I feel like it. No one can goad me into an argument. :) Especially about bullshit.
you really make me laugh;)

I don't think I've seen one decent, honest post on this forum from you.

You are just opinionated towards the williamses too much. At least, being a fan of sharapova, I can criticise her and can admit to her being beaten by a player who was simply better on the day :D

hey, you know something, if maria ever says about the fact that she couldn't 'play her game out there today', she always says it was because 'she didn't let me play my game today' and credits a good performance :)


You have lost quite a bit of credibility you know ;)
(I will take back that statement if you come and back up why you said bs;). I am going offline now but i'll be back tomorrow i think I will be interested to see who thinks you are right;))

Martian KC
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:24 PM
She had less ue's than Venus but still she had a ton, that's not consistant. Consistancy is only a weapon when you almost never miss..Evert, Hingis...

Wait, wait. Did you just give Martina a compliment? :devil: :o

SilviaFan
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:30 PM
I want remember Silvia is about 33years old...
She finished to play yesterday night at 9 pm, after a fighted match (even if venus was injured...:rolleyes: )and today ha had to play against a girl who is 13 years younger. And she was leading 6-4 5-3!!!
I think she's still a great player, how many "more than 30yrs" players are in the top25?

Now she can rest and she'll be ready for her last great claycourt season.

I totally agree with you Lionel. Silvia is still a great player. She has a lot of variety in her game. Silvia has problems with closing out matches and she has to play a little bit more agressive. When she can handle that pressure, Silvia can beat everyone. :kiss:

KV
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:39 PM
I totally agree with you Lionel. Silvia is still a great player. She has a lot of variety in her game. Silvia has problems with closing out matches and she has to play a little bit more agressive. When she can handle that pressure, Silvia can beat everyone. :kiss:Yes, when she's the luck on her side.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:44 PM
What are you people talking about. Silvia's never had amazing results on clay. For an Italian she kinda sucks on it. Pennetta has the same amount of clay court titles as Silvia has and it took Pennetta less than a year to get them. Farina Ella is a clay court faker simple as that. She plays a lot better on grass and if she's going to get to another QF in a slam it's going to be Wimbledon.

gmak
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:46 PM
anyway, good luck in the US now silvia :D

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:50 PM
Ugh. I made a mistake. Why would I say that Farina Ella basically lost twice in two days if I didn't know that Farina Ella was Venus' bitch before yesterday? I meant to say that Farina's 3 wins against Jankovic isn't any better than Venus 9 straight wins against her.

More = better.

SilviaFan
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:09 PM
Yes, when she's the luck on her side.

sometimes its important to have a little bit luck on your site. That counts for everyone ;)

David Barker
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:10 PM
She has a good forehand and backhand. She is consisent. She has great variety.

There you go :)

Absolutely - AND variety - her sliced shots are very effective. I enjoy seeing someone play who has some all round court craft, rather than just blasting the ball all the time.

Silvia has Jelena at 6-4 5-3 but ran out of gas.

SilviaFan
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:10 PM
What are you people talking about. Silvia's never had amazing results on clay. For an Italian she kinda sucks on it. Pennetta has the same amount of clay court titles as Silvia has and it took Pennetta less than a year to get them. Farina Ella is a clay court faker simple as that. She plays a lot better on grass and if she's going to get to another QF in a slam it's going to be Wimbledon.

and what about Strasbourg? :tape:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:12 PM
Absolutely - AND variety - her sliced shots are very effective. I enjoy seeing someone play who has some all round court craft, rather than just blasting the ball all the time.

Silvia has Jelena at 6-4 5-3 but ran out of gas.
That's funny, because I didn't see that in her match again Maria. Admittedly, that's the only time I've ever seen her play, but she looked to me to be blasting the ball. I didn't see any slices or drop shots or serves and volley in her game. Was she just playing Maria's game that day? :confused:

Veenut
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:40 PM
ok, pooint taken. I can see why you would jump to this conclusion.

I am not a fan of williams (either one) at all but think that under the circumstances of Farina Ella's win, where, by the sound of it (i did not see the match, so I am going by what I can deduce from this forum) Farina Ella had several chances to take the match, yes it's fine not to give credit to her opponant, as she sould definately have taken the match. Think about the circumstances, she would be distraught at having thrown away something she could build on, and after having beat Williams, She should have been feeling pretty good about herself. I reckon Williams's coments could have contributed to her choking th match, but quite frankly, after throwing a match away, do you really want to start heaping praise on your opponant when you effectively had it in the bag?

In the cases of many losses by venus and serena, they have both been beaten by someone who was better on the day in many cases, then they go and moan about why their game was bad enough to allow the other player to play well enough to beat them.

I really think you ave to look a bit deeper here;)


oh and, btw, after Maria won the YEC, She would have been pretty happy to come through and win a match where she was being well and truly thrashed by Williams. I a a big fan of Maria, and the fact that she pulled through means she probably would not have been thinking of anyone else at the moment she was interviewed. I really wish people would stop clinging to this one case, where she did not put anyone down, and even apologised the following day for not crediting Serena's Fighting spirit!



I'm sorry, but there's one word for your post: "Shallow" !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't care that you are not a fan of Williams and everyone is entitled to enjoy and be happy for their fav when they win. What I strongly object to is the idea that everyone else in tennis should enjoy the right to be self critical and comment on their performances without wrath except Venus and Serena.

Who made that rule and why is this reserved specifically for them? I would like someone to reasonabley explain why when they do the same thing it is not giving credit to your opponent but for someonelse it is considered fighting spirit, she was distraught and the endless excuses made on others behalf. Personally I don't give a damn about giving credit to an opponent. When my fav looses I don't care what the opponent says, praises or not I just want a win. Quite frankly I enjoy a bit of trash talking as long as it is not derogatory as this make my favs victories sweeter to enjoy. I don't understand the obsession with giving credit because it is obvious that whoever play better on the given day is the winner.

Therefore this hanging on every word an opponent says is not important to me but the inconsistency displayed by you and others is fun to point out every chance I get. :lol: :lol:

TatiAnnahølic
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:46 PM
congrats Jelena!!! deserved win after so many problems in the past weeks :yeah:

Mrs. Peel
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:49 PM
Reading this thread, I am catching that apparently SFE had an interview after her loss....did she give credit to her opponent? Cause so far what I am reading,


"I suck"

"I choke"

the constant reference to tiredness....just sound like EXCUSES to me. So it is ok for SFE and not Venus? Am I missing something?

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:51 PM
Reading this thread, I am catching that apparently SFE had an interview after her loss....did she give credit to her opponent? Cause so far what I am reading,


"I suck"

"I choke"

the constant reference to tiredness....just sound like EXCUSES to me. So it is ok for SFE and not Venus? Am I missing something?
dr hutchins tried to explain the difference but it stank so bad, I determined it was bullshit and didn't want to step in it. :p

Farina Elia Fan
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:06 PM
Up 5-0 in 1st set.

Up 5-3 in 2nd set.

She played gross. Venus is right, she has no weapons, she was just hitting the ball back, even though I only saw the last set.

Well, I'm tired of getting my hopes up and Silvia choking, so I'm no longer her fan. And I'm changing my avatar as soon as I find a nice one to put on.



Dario you cant give up on her! in the first set she was hitting alot of winners, i know the choking is horribler but please stand by her in her final season

Darop.
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:09 PM
Dario you cant give up on her! in the first set she was hitting alot of winners, i know the choking is horribler but please stand by her in her final season

I'll see how next week goes :p

I'm just sooooo pissed off at always seeing her cxhoke in her matches :mad:

Versus, Clijsters (leading 6-2 5-1) vs. Momo (serving for match and at 2 points from the match) versus Petrova and now this.

She could have won 6-0 6-3 had she not choked. She was leading 5-0 in the first set.

5-3 in the second set.

You can forgive her if she were a newbie, but shes almost 34 and she should have ALOT of experience.

Farina Elia Fan
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:12 PM
I'll see how next week goes :p

I'm just sooooo pissed off at always seeing her cxhoke in her matches :mad:

Versus, Clijsters (leading 6-2 5-1) vs. Momo (serving for match and at 2 points from the match) versus Petrova and now this.

She could have won 6-0 6-3 had she not choked. She was leading 5-0 in the first set.

5-3 in the second set.

You can forgive her if she were a newbie, but shes almost 34 and she should have ALOT of experience.



I agree completly! she could have been in the top 10 if she could have just won a couple of those matches. Its so frustrating :mad:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:14 PM
I don't care that you are not a fan of Williams and everyone is entitled to enjoy and be happy for their fav when they win. What I strongly object to is the idea that everyone else in tennis should enjoy the right to be self critical and comment on their performances without wrath except Venus and Serena.

Who made that rule and why is this reserved specifically for them? I would like someone to reasonabley explain why when they do the same thing it is not giving credit to your opponent but for someonelse it is considered fighting spirit, she was distraught and the endless excuses made on others behalf.
Hey, I never said there is some rule for Williamses that doesn't apply for everyone else.

I just think the way they put themselves down in the interviews often tends to be quite inconsiderate. When they make comments saying that 'I was playing rubbish out there, and that's why she won' it really cannot make their opponant feel very good. When players make similar comments about their own play but credit their opponant saying for example 'today I didn't play well and [she] was just too good', I think many people prefer this kind of approach.

I have always maintained that I don't think Venus or Serena make these comments purposefully to put down their opponants, but if they just even slightly changed the tone of the comment, they would come across as more human, and not get this criticism.

Some of you seem to think people like me who get irritated by this kind of behaviour have such a prejudice against both williamses that we cannot see any good in them. Wrong. I think the way Serena was so gracious in defeat and came round the net to hug sharapova after wimbledon '04 was really admireable. But I just wish she'd do something about interview comments!

For a player, I am sure it really depends on the context of the match just played about what you are going to comment on, and if you want to talk about your own game, why not do it in a way that does not put down the abilities of your opponant, or at least give them a little credit for the fact they actually beat you. The thing is Serena and Venus can make comments making out it was their fault they lost when they were well and truly beaten.

And Venus's comments on Farina Ella, whether intended to provoke or not, were bang out of order.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:17 PM
Hey, I never said there is some rule for Williamses that doesn't apply for everyone else.

I just think the way they put themselves down in the interviews often tends to be quite inconsiderate. When they make comments saying that 'I was playing rubbish out there, and that's why she won' it really cannot make their opponant feel very good. When players make similar comments about their own play but credit their opponant saying for example 'today I didn't play well and [she] was just too good', I think many people prefer this kind of approach.

I have always maintained that I don't think Venus or Serena make these comments purposefully to put down their opponants, but if they just even slightly changed the tone of the comment, they would come across as more human, and not get this criticism.

Some of you seem to think people like me who get irritated by this kind of behaviour have such a prejudice against both williamses that we cannot see any good in them. Wrong. I think the way Serena was so gracious in defeat and came round the net to hug sharapova after wimbledon '04 was really admireable. But I just wish she'd do something about interview comments!

For a player, I am sure it really depends on the context of the match just played about what you are going to comment on, and if you want to talk about your own game, why not do it in a way that does not put down the abilities of your opponant, or at least give them a little credit for the fact they actually beat you. The thing is Serena and Venus can make comments making out it was their fault they lost when they were well and truly beaten.

And Venus's comments on Farina Ella, whether intended to provoke or not, were bang out of order.

You do have a predjudice agaisnt them because you don't seem to be able to distinguish one from the other.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:20 PM
Personally I don't give a damn about giving credit to an opponent. When my fav looses I don't care what the opponent says, praises or not I just want a win. Quite frankly I enjoy a bit of trash talking as long as it is not derogatory as this make my favs victories sweeter to enjoy. I don't understand the obsession with giving credit because it is obvious that whoever play better on the given day is the winner.

Therefore this hanging on every word an opponent says is not important to me but the inconsistency displayed by you and others is fun to point out every chance I get.
You don't care about generally being nice? :eek:

poor you :sad:
NO, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt......
Maybe you do care about being nice, but maybe you should realise that when off court, you should not behave as you may do on court, which is not necessarily always gonna be nice :rolleyes:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:27 PM
You do have a predjudice agaisnt them because you don't seem to be able to distinguish one from the other.
Hey dude, I'm sorry If i'm just refering to them as 'the williamses'. I'm only doing that to save timne as I'm not a fast typer.

The only reason why I refer to both is because This fault of putting down opponants is something they both share. I guess that's natural, they both come from the same family.

I dislike them, and am not a fan of either, partly because I do not like their off court attitude and partly because I do not like their playing style.

If you think I am prejudiced against them, maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.......

ok, i'll save you the time: the word comes from pre (meaning before) and judge. Therefore prejudice is judging something when you don't have any good reason to do so. I have formed my opinion from watching them play and be interviewed. That is not prejudice.

Again, I am sorry for simply refering to them as 'williamses'

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:32 PM
dr hutchins tried to explain the difference but it stank so bad, I determined it was bullshit and didn't want to step in it. :p
This was not what I was tryin to say

Yeah, sure she tried to give excuses. Who can blame her. She must be feeling bloody pissed off.

but what I was saying is the difference between doing this and actually putting down you opponant's contribution, like the williams sisters always seem to do after a match in which they were well and truly beaten NOT a match they choked .

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:35 PM
This was not what I was tryin to say

Yeah, sure she tried to give excuses. Who can blame her. She must be feeling bloody pissed off.

but what I was saying is the difference between doing this and actually putting down you opponant's contribution, like the williams sisters always seem to do after a match in which they were well and truly beaten NOT a match they choked .
They were legitimate excuses though. Playing with blisters is nothing short of awful, and to add to that with an abdominal injury must not be fun.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:41 PM
Hey dude, I'm sorry If i'm just refering to them as 'the williamses'. I'm only doing that to save timne as I'm not a fast typer.

The only reason why I refer to both is because This fault of putting down opponants is something they both share. I guess that's natural, they both come from the same family.

I dislike them, and am not a fan of either, partly because I do not like their off court attitude and partly because I do not like their playing style.

If you think I am prejudiced against them, maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.......

ok, i'll save you the time: the word comes from pre (meaning before) and judge. Therefore prejudice is judging something when you don't have any good reason to do so. I have formed my opinion from watching them play and be interviewed. That is not prejudice.

Again, I am sorry for simply refering to them as 'williamses'
I think what that poster meant was that you are biased because of your dislike like for them. You can't possibly give an objective opinion on what they say to the media, because you have already pre-judged them based on your dislike for their on court and off court play and attitude. Since you have pre-judged them, you are prejudiced against them and anything they say and do. But, neither the sisters or their fans bend to the whims, likes and dislikes of their detractors. They ARE HUMAN, this is why they can't be expected to be perfect like you want them to be and by the same token, neither is any other player. That crap you wrote before about why it's okay for other players to give excuses and complain about their own play, but it's not for the Williams is just biased bullshit and not worthy of any response from any Williams fan. It's beneath us, because through the years we've answered countless crap posts like yours. You're going to have to come up with something better than that if you want to get a debate started. Otherwise, you insult our intelligence and just make yourself look like a hater. I don't want to pin you with that term, because you seem like a reasonable person (to an extent, except when it comes to the Williams), but if you continue with the inane reasons for why the Williams' should have perfect behaviour and everyone else deserves a pass on the same behaviour, I'm going to form that opinion in my mind and I won't be the only one.

BTW, in our opinion, you don't have any good reason to pre-judge the Williams, especially if that judgment is based on your biased opinion of them.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:42 PM
yeah, fair enough.

but going and saying what she said, something i think like:
"She's an average player, I should have beaten her easily on a normal day"
was not right. Fair ennough she had blisters + stomach probs.

But why could she not have simply said, "I should have done a lot better, then explained why she wasn't playing so well? Also, simply blaming yourself for a loss in which your opponant dominated and not giving any credit to your opponant, I feel maybe means she loses some credibility herself. The fact that she continually seems to do this has unfortunalely send my opinion of any comment she makes right down. :sad:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:48 PM
yeah, fair enough.

but going and saying what she said, something i think like:
"She's an average player, I should have beaten her easily on a normal day"
was not right. Fair ennough she had blisters + stomach probs.

But why could she not have simply said, "I should have done a lot better, then explained why she wasn't playing so well? Also, simply blaming yourself for a loss in which your opponant dominated and not giving any credit to your opponant, I feel maybe means she loses some credibility herself. The fact that she continually seems to do this has unfortunalely send my opinion of any comment she makes right down. :sad:
Maybe because she's human and can't be expected to have perfect behaviour, attitude or answers the day she loses to a player beneath her talent because of injuries and is in a press conference. It's very fraustrating, but I'm not going to sit here and try to justify anything Venus has done, because how can she lose credibility with people she's never had it with?

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:50 PM
Reading this thread, I am catching that apparently SFE had an interview after her loss....did she give credit to her opponent? Cause so far what I am reading,


"I suck"

"I choke"

the constant reference to tiredness....just sound like EXCUSES to me. So it is ok for SFE and not Venus? Am I missing something?
Yes, quite a lot, but that's nothing new.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:50 PM
I think what that poster meant was that you are biased because of your dislike like for them. You can't possibly give an objective opinion on what they say to the media, because you have already pre-judged them based on your dislike for their on court and off court play and attitude. Since you have pre-judged them, you are prejudiced against them and anything they say and do. But, neither the sisters or their fans bend to the whims, likes and dislikes of their detractors. They ARE HUMAN, this is why they can't be expected to be perfect like you want them to be and by the same token, neither is any other player. That crap you wrote before about why it's okay for other players to give excuses and complain about their own play, but it's not for the Williams is just biased bullshit and not worthy of any response from any Williams fan. It's beneath us, because through the years we've answered countless crap posts like yours. You're going to have to come up with something better than that if you want to get a debate started. Otherwise, you insult our intelligence and just make yourself look like a hater. I don't want to pin you with that term, because you seem like a reasonable person (to an extent, except when it comes to the Williams), but if you continue with the inane reasons for why the Williams' should have perfect behaviour and everyone else deserves a pass on the same behaviour, I'm going to form that opinion in my mind and I won't be the only one.

BTW, in our opinion, you don't have any good reason to pre-judge the Williams, especially if that judgment is based on your biased opinion of them.
Yeah, I have judged both williams sisters, based on their on and off court attitudes.

I think this is fine :confused: shouldn't it be?
I don't like their play, but I would have some more respect for them if they thought before they make certain comments in interviews.

I really don't want to sound like I have a prejudice, The only reason why I judge them negatively is because I do not find them appealing people. We can all form opinions of, say George Bush for example? Tony Blair? We get to see or hear things about them, and from what I have heard and seen, I think, like Sharapova's Dad, Yuri, they do not seem like the kind of people I would choose as friends.

It is the same way I form an opinion of any tennis player, or anyone I don't know;)

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:53 PM
hey, The only reason why she's never had credibility with me is because of thinks I've seen or heard about her saying or doing.

If she changed the way she approached interviews, my opinion wouldchange

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:55 PM
Yeah, I have judged both williams sisters, based on their on and off court attitudes.

I think this is fine :confused: shouldn't it be?
I don't like their play, but I would have some more respect for them if they thought before they make certain comments in interviews.

I really don't want to sound like I have a prejudice, The only reason why I judge them negatively is because I do not find them appealing people. We can all form opinions of, say George Bush for example? Tony Blair? We get to see or hear things about them, and from what I have heard and seen, I think, like Sharapova's Dad, Yuri, they do not seem like the kind of people I would choose as friends.

It is the same way I form an opinion of any tennis player, or anyone I don't know;)
But, you are in no position to judge their behaviour. No matter what they do or say, you're not going to like it because they are not appealing to you. So, if we both agree, I would appreciate if you don't have anything good to say about them, don't say anything at all. By the same token, I really try not to say anything about Maria or any other player until someone bashes my fav using their fav as the prime example of perfection. I have friends here who have different favs than mine and I try to respect their feelings. However, I'm sure they understand if I have to defend my fav here.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:56 PM
hey, The only reason why she's never had credibility with me is because of thinks I've seen or heard about her saying or doing.

If she changed the way she approached interviews, my opinion wouldchange
Yeah, sure. If George Bush would change the way he runs this country, my opinion may change about him, but I doubt he's going to do that. :rolleyes: Besides, who the hell are you for her to change her behaviour for? Her family, friends and fans love her behaviour. Why would she change for the likes of you?

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:08 PM
Good there's something we agree on.:) Can't stand Bush either.

I guess I'm not really anyone who has the right to tell Serena, or Venus, or anyone else to change.
But I think there's general things in life like politeness you should stick to. Whether their comments are meant to provoke, I think they have a tendancy to make themselves sound bigheaded, a quality which sure you need in tennis, but they could find nicer ways of being bigheaded off court;)

If you really like Serena + Venus that way, I gues that's your choice.

But I'd rather change the way I was if I knew I caused offence by accident in the way I try and say things.

In fact there's many things I'd like to change about me.....

1. be nicer to friends
2. be undisputed ruler of the universe (god help us....maybe I would not)
3. change my hair.

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:11 PM
Yes, quite a lot, but that's nothing new.

Is that Nancy loeffer-caro in your avatar???

Joana
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:23 PM
My God, what has this thread turned into! :eek:

Something seems to be misunderstood here: it wasn't Silvia who said: "I suck and choke", it was Dadyo (the thread starter) who said it, because he was angry or whatever. AFAIK, Siliva hasn't said anything about this match.

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:25 PM
My God, what has this thread turned into! :eek:

Something seems to be misunderstood here: it wasn't Silvia who said: "I suck and choke", it was Dadyo (the thread starter) who said it, because he was angry or whatever. AFAIK, Siliva hasn't said anything about this match.
Thanks.

I thought that was obvious from the beginning. But you have to be patient with Williams fans. :awww:

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:26 PM
Is that Nancy loeffer-caro in your avatar???
Yep.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:30 PM
Thanks.

I thought that was obvious from the beginning. But you have to be patient with Williams fans. :awww:
looks like you need to be patient with mariafans also! I thought the same :rolleyes:

I'm such a dumbass :D

:lol:

jonny84
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:31 PM
Good win for Jankovic. Hope she can get to the semis now!

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:37 PM
looks like you need to be patient with mariafans also! I thought the same :rolleyes:

I'm such a dumbass :D

:lol:
No, GoDominique is. :rolleyes:

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:42 PM
No, GoDominique is. :rolleyes:
No, you are. Because you agreed on the bullshit post from Veenut who had exactly the misunderstanding that Joana just explained. :retard:
In other words, you are just as dumb.
Silvia saying "I suck and choke" - yeah, sure. How naive can you be?

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:54 PM
In other words, you are just as dumb.

GoDominique no one can be as dumb or as shallow as you. You've got dibbs on that. :yeah:

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 11:00 PM
GoDominique no one can be as dumb or as shallow as you. You've got dibbs on that. :yeah:
Instead of failing with your unfunny replies why don't you just admit "Oh yes, I got that thread title wrong. I'm really sorry for being such a dumbass again and again"? :)

Veenut
Mar 1st, 2005, 11:03 PM
You don't care about generally being nice? :eek:

poor you :sad:
NO, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt......
Maybe you do care about being nice, but maybe you should realise that when off court, you should not behave as you may do on court, which is not necessarily always gonna be nice :rolleyes:

Please save your pity and tears for yourself and Silvia because if Venus played her 9 out of 10 times you will need it 9 times more than me. :)
You might be too blinded by your biases to get my point. My issue with you and people of your ilk is not about nice, but consistency.

Let me spell this out to you as clearly as I can slowly, that is, if you take a position stick to it no matter who or what the circumstances maybe. Then you will have credibility and you are being consistent. Where I take issue is when it is ok for some and not ok for another. :fiery: I hope you get it this time because I'm done arguing this.

I'm not concerned about you not liking my favs because there are players I'm not fond of either but I can assure you I won't be disecting their every word and move just to be critical for the hell of it. If you can clear your mind from your bias and think objectively for a few moments you can see that some of these criticisms are unwarranted.

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 11:05 PM
It's quite funny actually........

all that typing...........:lol:

peanuts
Mar 1st, 2005, 11:47 PM
Up 5-0 in 1st set.

Up 5-3 in 2nd set.



:eek: either jankovic is a great fighter or silvia is a great choker. :p

Scotso
Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:28 AM
Silvia is a choker. It's well-known.

Silvia :crying2:

fammmmedspin
Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:41 AM
:o

Anyway, I still think she needs some conditioning because, didn't she take Maria to three sets at the AO and then she ran out of gas.

One of the reasons less fit players don't even make it playing till they are 32 is they run out of gas earlier. I doubt if any of the current top 10 will be playing at Silvia's age. Your nerves get worse too as you get older. She's just having a tired and nervous patch in another relatively good year. If she was a 17, 19 or 24 year old it would be worrying, at Silvia's age its allowable.

-Sonic-
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:01 AM
Did Silvia say she was 10000 levels below her best after she WON a match at all? ;)
Maybe thats one slight difference... saying you suck after winning a match is different to saying it after you lost one.

---------------------------------------------

But Silvia... I was getting sooo pissed off at you against Venus, so many times you just fell to pieces.... and now that collapse that ended in a loss. Deary me.

Greenout
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:11 AM
:o

Anyway, I still think she needs some conditioning because, didn't she take Maria to three sets at the AO and then she ran out of gas.


Conditioning? She's one of the fit players. Sly has no body fat.
I think she actually could be over training- and tired now in
matches. It's the mental aspects that are her downfall at
times. She's got the most beautiful backhand- classic. I put
JHH at #1 and Sly at #2 in terms of form.

VeraNuVirgosFan
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:49 AM
Well done!

Keep it up, JJ!!

GoSandrine
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:14 AM
Another blown lead!!! :mad: :hysteric: :smash: :sobbing:

And Dadyo, calm down! :shout: :smash:;)

It's can be VERY frustrating being a fan of Silvia's but you can't help loving her and her game. Hopefully she'll pull through enough tough matches this year to make it all worthwhile.

Silvia :hug:

SelesFan70
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:37 AM
I suck all the time, but I never choke. :devil:

Chunchun
Mar 2nd, 2005, 04:01 AM
:crying2: :crying2: :bigcry: Silvia

Jela :hehehe: should be able to reach SF ehh :D

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 2nd, 2005, 04:30 AM
Silvia has lovely shots, including a very nice backhand. She's got great variety. Think of her as a mini-Momo (though she's the original of course, being a lot older). What she lacks is Momo's big serve and all-round power. If she were just a bit bigger and stronger, hitting with more pace on the serves and heavier spins, her game would be top-10 material.

Martian KC
Mar 2nd, 2005, 04:41 AM
GoDominique no one can be as dumb or as shallow as you. You've got dibbs on that. :yeah:

Instead of failing with your unfunny replies why don't you just admit "Oh yes, I got that thread title wrong. I'm really sorry for being such a dumbass again and again"? :)

Venusfans should not be fighting each other like this.:sad:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:02 AM
Please save your pity and tears for yourself and Silvia because if Venus played her 9 out of 10 times you will need it 9 times more than me. :)
You might be too blinded by your biases to get my point. My issue with you and people of your ilk is not about nice, but consistency.

Let me spell this out to you as clearly as I can slowly, that is, if you take a position stick to it no matter who or what the circumstances maybe. Then you will have credibility and you are being consistent. Where I take issue is when it is ok for some and not ok for another. :fiery: I hope you get it this time because I'm done arguing this.

Hey, maybe it's true Silvia would normally have been beaten, but the comments made by Venus about her being 'an ordinary player' and having no real weapons were bang out of order.

The fact is that on the day, Silvia was the deserved winner, and no excuses Venus makes will change that, it makes her seem a sore loser.

Oh, and by the way, I try and be as consistant as I can, If I get something wrong and you point that out to me, I will apologise, I am only Human.

But I don't agree with any of the points you made. The context of several comments made by both Venus and Serena often does not call for the tone used, especially when they were properly beaten. Most players will not try and make out the match was in their own hands and they choked it when on the day they were beaten.

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:05 AM
Did Silvia say she was 10000 levels below her best after she WON a match at all? ;)
Maybe thats one slight difference... saying you suck after winning a match is different to saying it after you lost one.
This is what I was trying to say put in far better words.

This is what I mean about the wider context of the comments made.

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:37 AM
Hey dude, I'm sorry If i'm just refering to them as 'the williamses'. I'm only doing that to save timne as I'm not a fast typer.

The only reason why I refer to both is because This fault of putting down opponants is something they both share. I guess that's natural, they both come from the same family.

I dislike them, and am not a fan of either, partly because I do not like their off court attitude and partly because I do not like their playing style.

If you think I am prejudiced against them, maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.......

ok, i'll save you the time: the word comes from pre (meaning before) and judge. Therefore prejudice is judging something when you don't have any good reason to do so. I have formed my opinion from watching them play and be interviewed. That is not prejudice.

Again, I am sorry for simply refering to them as 'williamses'
Your drivel is becoming worse. Where did you get to know them? Their style of play? Yet Sharapova and Golovin are your top favourite players. Just stop the drivel already. You dont like them fine. You musnt. You dont have to. Only YOU know the real reason why you hate them, because what you have listed as reasons are all bullshit, at most laughable. They neither hold water nor are they consistent. Now crawl back to that hole and stay there, until you have rid yourself of the drivel you keep spewing out:mad:

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:42 AM
Thanks.

I thought that was obvious from the beginning. But you have to be patient with Williams fans. :awww:
Was it a Williams fan who misunderstood that?
I was reading through the thread, somebody misunderstood it and before you know it Venus was dragged into it, followed by the usual tag of Williams sisters not giving creadit to opponents. Really GoDomiminique, sometimes you can be an asshole :rolleyes:

rada
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:02 PM
hehe a win is a win good fight jelena ;)

GoDominique
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:09 PM
Was it a Williams fan who misunderstood that?
I was reading through the thread, somebody misunderstood it and before you know it Venus was dragged into it, followed by the usual tag of Williams sisters not giving creadit to opponents. Really GoDomiminique, sometimes you can be an asshole :rolleyes:
Uh why don't you re-read the thread. It was Veenut who started the confusion with his/her idiotic "Where's the outrage bla bla bla" post and Mrs. Peel and Denisesomething were the first ones to post their :lol:'s and :worship:'s.

I can't help it that there are so many dumbasses among Venus-fans. :shrug:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:14 PM
;) Your drivel is becoming worse. Where did you get to know them? Their style of play? Yet Sharapova and Golovin are your top favourite players. Just stop the drivel already. You dont like them fine. You musnt. You dont have to. Only YOU know the real reason why you hate them, because what you have listed as reasons are all bullshit, at most laughable. They neither hold water nor are they consistent. Now crawl back to that hole and stay there, until you have rid yourself of the drivel you keep spewing out:mad:
I used to have more faith in human good nature.....

I have said before, I do not hate anyone who'se name ends with Williams.

What I do hate is people who hate anyone who does not share their views about Venus and Serena. I have tried always to stay open to other people's views and accept their ideas may be different.

I know full well Williams fans get more than their fair share of unprovoked insults, I am a fan of Maria, I know how it feels, but this doesn't give you the right to launch a great attack on my posting dismissing my comments as 'drivel' simply because I don't like something about Venus or Serena.

And why shouldn't I form an opinion of them in my head? I'm sure you form opinions of people who you have never even met. It looks as if you don't have a very high opinion of me; you have made this opinion simply based on things I have said.

Tell me, how is this different to me forming my opinion of Serena and Venus?


And fans generally chose who they like based upon their play style. What's wrong with that?

Do some thinking, please before launching your next attack on me. ;)

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:21 PM
Was it a Williams fan who misunderstood that?
I was reading through the thread, somebody misunderstood it and before you know it Venus was dragged into it, followed by the usual tag of Williams sisters not giving creadit to opponents. Really GoDomiminique, sometimes you can be an asshole :rolleyes:
Some Williams fans have a persicution complex, and will go to any lengths to defend their players, or make out that they are unfairly criticised.. Yes, some Sharapova fans are the same, and so are fans of every player, and these people are just as bad as each other. I think you seem to be one of these people.

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:20 PM
;)
I used to have more faith in human good nature.....

I have said before, I do not hate anyone who'se name ends with Williams.

What I do hate is people who hate anyone who does not share their views about Venus and Serena. I have tried always to stay open to other people's views and accept their ideas may be different.

I know full well Williams fans get more than their fair share of unprovoked insults, I am a fan of Maria, I know how it feels, but this doesn't give you the right to launch a great attack on my posting dismissing my comments as 'drivel' simply because I don't like something about Venus or Serena.

And why shouldn't I form an opinion of them in my head? I'm sure you form opinions of people who you have never even met. It looks as if you don't have a very high opinion of me; you have made this opinion simply based on things I have said.

Tell me, how is this different to me forming my opinion of Serena and Venus?


And fans generally chose who they like based upon their play style. What's wrong with that?

Do some thinking, please before launching your next attack on me. ;)
I dont give a damm what you like or what you dont like. I have a problem you trying to pass of your dislike öf them with questionable excuses. Trying to justify your irrational dislike with dubios reasons. That is my beef. You dont like them, good for you. I love them and I know so many people who love them. Can we leave it at that. Thank you:rolleyes:

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:21 PM
Some Williams fans have a persicution complex, and will go to any lengths to defend their players, or make out that they are unfairly criticised.. Yes, some Sharapova fans are the same, and so are fans of every player, and these people are just as bad as each other. I think you seem to be one of these people.
Did you really think you made any sense in this post?:rolleyes:

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:23 PM
Uh why don't you re-read the thread. It was Veenut who started the confusion with his/her idiotic "Where's the outrage bla bla bla" post and Mrs. Peel and Denisesomething were the first ones to post their :lol:'s and :worship:'s.

I can't help it that there are so many dumbasses among Venus-fans. :shrug:
Yea right and you had to insult the fan base. Very creative:rolleyes:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:26 PM
Did you really think you made any sense in this post?:rolleyes:
What I am saying is that you are as bad as any fan who can't accept that their player has lost, or done/said something wrong :rolleyes:

You're the biggest dumbass round here for not realising :wavey:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:29 PM
Yea right and you had to insult the fan base. Very creative:rolleyes:
There's dumbasses in all fan bases actually.

Serena and Venus provoke strong reactions either way, and I'm afraid many of te things said about them are not justified. Nor are lots of things said by them.

And many of their fans, as with any player, come out with poor excuses, and will not accept teir player is in the wrong. It's all very well backing up your player, but lets have some morals.....

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:31 PM
oh, and......

your drivel is becoming worse

servenrichie
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:32 PM
What I am saying is that you are as bad as any fan who can't accept that their player has lost, or done/said something wrong :rolleyes:

You're the biggest dumbass round here for not realising :wavey:
What has your eulogy about prejudice got to do with Venus losing?
BTW, this whole discussion was about Venus, but of course you had to include Serena and pass it off with stupid excuses.
The players you have in you signature, do you have any idea that some of them have even done worse, so tell me why do you still like them?

Go on continue wriggling in your shit:lol:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 03:03 PM
I only like greg cos we only have 2 good players in England.

It was someone else who started moaning about how the 'williamses' always get put down. Not me who brought serena into this.

matthieu_tennis
Mar 2nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
and greg was a canadian :(

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:13 PM
yeah, us brits are desperate for a good player to call our own ;)

The difference between myself and veenut is I will not try and find a way to justify everything greg does, and then give a feeble excuse, and dismiss all other opinions as BS.

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:20 PM
The players you have in you signature, do you have any idea that some of them have even done worse, so tell me why do you still like them?

As one of the other Wiliams fans pointed out, we are all human, we all do bad things. You included. Me included. I do not defend what the players on my list do simply because I am a fan of them. If they do something wrong, I'm not gonna defend them ;)

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:42 PM
Did Silvia say she was 10000 levels below her best after she WON a match at all? ;)
Maybe thats one slight difference... saying you suck after winning a match is different to saying it after you lost one.

---------------------------------------------

But Silvia... I was getting sooo pissed off at you against Venus, so many times you just fell to pieces.... and now that collapse that ended in a loss. Deary me.
Alright Sonic, before you know it, GoDominique will call you a dumbass because it wasn't Silvia who said she sucked, it was the thread starter. ;)

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:45 PM
Was it a Williams fan who misunderstood that?
I was reading through the thread, somebody misunderstood it and before you know it Venus was dragged into it, followed by the usual tag of Williams sisters not giving creadit to opponents. Really GoDomiminique, sometimes you can be an asshole :rolleyes:
Sometimes??!! :rolleyes:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:55 PM
denise, you know, i'm beginning to like u

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 07:07 PM
denise, you know, i'm beginning to like u
Well, that's always nice to hear. ;)

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 09:18 PM
Just to let you all know, I just recieved red dots from Servenrichie for being a 'Dirty Scumbag' !!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Mrs. Peel
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:16 PM
Uh why don't you re-read the thread. It was Veenut who started the confusion with his/her idiotic "Where's the outrage bla bla bla" post and Mrs. Peel and Denisesomething were the first ones to post their :lol:'s and :worship:'s.

I can't help it that there are so many dumbasses among Venus-fans. :shrug:

Well..look who is a dumbass and who can't read. But being the whiny biatch that you are..you needed to jump in and call someone stupid to make yourself feel superior (which would be a stretch but this is just one of your many delusions). If you were paying attention and not being a reactionary creep per usual...I DID ask for verification...for someone to let me know if I was missing something. :lol: Others were posting of this so called "misinformation" so I just wanted know...so you eat that dumphuck! :p But it STILL doesn't detract from the fact that people were offering up excuses as to why Silvia got beatdown by Jankovic :rolleyes: :rolleyes: after her "great" vicory over Venus.

Gosh..I guess we have to patient with you fans with "noone really to cheer for anymore but who annoy the fuck out of other fanbases" :p How do you like that generalization..fits you to a T doesn't it?

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:27 PM
Well..look who is a dumbass and who can't read. But being the whiny biatch that you are..you needed to jump in and call someone stupid to make yourself feel superior (which would be a stretch but this is just one of your many delusions). If you were paying attention and not being a reactionary creep per usual...I DID ask for verification...for someone to let me know if I was missing something. :lol: Others were posting of this so called "misinformation" so I just wanted know...so you eat that dumphuck! :p But it STILL doesn't detract from the fact that people were offering up excuses as to why Silvia got beatdown by Jankovic :rolleyes: :rolleyes: after her "great" vicory over Venus.

Gosh..I guess we have to patient with you fans with "noone really to cheer for anymore but who annoy the fuck out of other fanbases" :p How do you like that generalization..fits you to a T doesn't it?
:o :tape: :lol: :lol:
Mrs. Peel, I didn't feel this envious bitch was even worth replying to. But, I must say that was good. :lol:

mykarma
Mar 3rd, 2005, 01:20 AM
:bs::haha: :haha: :haha:

mykarma
Mar 3rd, 2005, 01:23 AM
Wannabeknowitall is really Doesntknowshitatall......:lol::lol: :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha: :haha:

mykarma
Mar 3rd, 2005, 01:26 AM
You can think that if you want to. I really don't care. Would it do any good to sit here and explain to you why your post is bullshit? Those of us who know it's bullshit, don't need an explanation and those of you who do not think it is, no explanation will suffice, so what's the point?

Besides, I only argue when I feel like it. No one can goad me into an argument. :) Especially about bullshit.:lol: :lol:

servenrichie
Mar 3rd, 2005, 07:11 AM
Just to let you all know, I just recieved red dots from Servenrichie for being a 'Dirty Scumbag' !!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
You are really a dip shit. Why didnt say that the red dots was a reply to the one you gave me, saying "you are mad", because I called you on your stupidity.
This is just a pattern of your posts- inconsistentcy laced with half truths and self-denial:tape:

Szymanowski
Mar 3rd, 2005, 08:43 AM
I have you bad rep cos you are directly insulting me for my opinions.
I am finished arguing with u. You have proved you are a fool, in all your posts;)

You can insult me all you like, call me dip shit, dirty scumbag and any other things you want, call me a hater, when I've said I'm not, well quite frankly I don't care. I'll be far happier ignoring all your posts from now on ;)
:lol:

Experimentee
Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:11 PM
I think what was maybe more mentally draining was not her last match, but the comments about her by Williams, and the way the press picked up on them.

I mean maybe Williams only meant to put herself down that she hadn't done what she should have in the match, but I hate the way she just went and insulted Silvia. It just aint nice.

As for Silvia choking the match, I think she's a very skillful all - round player - she did shock Sharapova in rome last yr, and took her all the way in Melbourne, and has had some great results, She should really know by now how to close a match out.

People really take players comments WAY too seriously here. There is no way what Venus said made Silvia lose. That is just ridiculous. I would hope that no sane player would give a flying fuck about what anyone else thinks of her abilities, especially not one with Silvia's age and experience :rolleyes:

Experimentee
Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:19 PM
Hey, maybe it's true Silvia would normally have been beaten, but the comments made by Venus about her being 'an ordinary player' and having no real weapons were bang out of order.

The fact is that on the day, Silvia was the deserved winner, and no excuses Venus makes will change that, it makes her seem a sore loser.

Oh, and by the way, I try and be as consistant as I can, If I get something wrong and you point that out to me, I will apologise, I am only Human.

But I don't agree with any of the points you made. The context of several comments made by both Venus and Serena often does not call for the tone used, especially when they were properly beaten. Most players will not try and make out the match was in their own hands and they choked it when on the day they were beaten.

You obviously havent read the interviews of anyone other than the Williamses then. All players put themselves down when they are disappointed with a match. They are no different.
This is why whenever a player says something like that, Williams fans say 'If Venus said that she'd be crucified'. Because its true. Its ok for someone else to say "She didnt do anything to win the match, I made all the errors', but its not ok for Venus to say that Silvia didnt have weapons.

Szymanowski
Mar 3rd, 2005, 06:40 PM
If you read back in this post properly, you would discover that I don't like the tone the Williams sisters use in their interviews. I think without intending to, they come across as arrogant, and if they just used a slightly different tone and at least acknowleged their opponant, there would be a complete change in attitude towards them for the better.

I know williams fans get crucified for saying perfectly sane things, it happens to me as a fan of sharapova. Any good player is gonna be put down, but I'm not a hater. That's not to say I'm a fan, but I could at least reapect them more if they changed the tone of their interviews.

I don't think they do it intentionally.

+ I'm glad u acknowleged that Venus was wrong to say 'she doesn't have any weapons'.

There is no way what Venus said made Silvia lose. That is just ridiculous. I would hope that no sane player would give a flying fuck about what anyone else thinks of her abilities, especially not one with Silvia's age and experience :rolleyes:

This was only meant to be a suggestion, as I know she may well not have heard what Venus said, but Venus is one of the most widely listned to players on the tour, and gets plenty of publicity so Silvia may well have heard this.

However, I agree, there is no way a top player should let this bother them.
But
There is no way a top player should choke a match like this. It's just a suggestion, but the comments made by venus may have played on her mind.

Szymanowski
Mar 3rd, 2005, 06:55 PM
:(Oh, and, will people please stop refering to me as a HATER!!:(

I do not hate the Williams sisters, in fact I can't really think of one player I would actually say I hate.

But everyone has players who they dislike more than others :)

mykarma
Mar 3rd, 2005, 10:40 PM
I have you bad rep cos you are directly insulting me for my opinions.
I am finished arguing with u. You have proved you are a fool, in all your posts;)

You can insult me all you like, call me dip shit, dirty scumbag and any other things you want, call me a hater, when I've said I'm not, well quite frankly I don't care. I'll be far happier ignoring all your posts from now on ;)
:lol:I didn't directly or indirectly insult you and you gave me a bad rep. You really are an idiot.

mykarma
Mar 3rd, 2005, 10:46 PM
You are really a dip shit. Why didnt say that the red dots was a reply to the one you gave me, saying "you are mad", because I called you on your stupidity.
This is just a pattern of your posts- inconsistentcy laced with half truths and self-denial:tape:Because I laughed at Denise and Mrs. Peel's post to her she gave me a bad rep. What an idiot.

Szymanowski
Mar 4th, 2005, 07:46 AM
I didn't directly or indirectly insult you and you gave me a bad rep. You really are an idiot.
Mykarma seems to think I bad repped him! I was talking to Servenrichie!

I know you never insulted me or anything. I wasn't even posting to you. And I didn't bad rep you originally because it just let me bad rep you now ;)

I think you are the idiot;)

Grohl
Mar 4th, 2005, 11:11 AM
silvia may haved choked, but surely doesn't suck!

mykarma
Mar 5th, 2005, 12:28 AM
Mykarma seems to think I bad repped him! I was talking to Servenrichie!

I know you never insulted me or anything. I wasn't even posting to you. And I didn't bad rep you originally because it just let me bad rep you now ;)

I think you are the idiot;)I'm so sorry I made a mistake an accused you of bad repping me. The post should have been for Dominique but the two of you have the same mo. :worship: ;)