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Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:55 AM
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- Venus Williams struggled with a blister on her right palm and lost in the first round for the first time in four years, beaten by Italy's Silvia Farina Elia 7-5, 7-6 (6) in the Dubai Women's Open on Monday.

Williams' previous first-round ouster was to Barbara Schett at the 2001 French Open. She also lost her opening match at Moscow in October 2002 to Magdalena Maleeva but after a first-round bye.

Farina Elia had lost all nine of her previous matches to Williams since 1997. Williams, seeded fifth, made 66 unforced errors in a match lasting 2 hours, 4 minutes.

"It would normally have been a quick match," she said. "She really doesn't have the weapons to hurt me. The blister was really a factor. I just couldn't serve well and I just couldn't keep the balls in."

Williams rallied from 4-1 down to 5-5 before dropping the first set. She climbed back from a 5-2 deficit in the second set to force a tiebreaker in which she saved seven match points before losing.

Williams realized she was in trouble when she saw her serve clocked at about 72 mph.

"I said, 'Jeez what am I doing here?"' she said. "So that was the humor of it out there for me."

Farina Elia was weary by the last set.

"I thought the match would never finish," she said. "She fought back brilliantly. But I was a little tired toward the end of the second set. I am proud because this is the first time I beat her."

Former Wimbledon champion Conchita Martinez and rising Indian star Sania Mirza -- the oldest and youngest players in the draw -- also reached the second round.

Martinez, 32, defeated Shinobu Asagoe of Japan 6-3, 6-4. The 18-year-old Mirza beat Jelena Kostanic of Croatia 6-7 (2), 6-4, 6-1 and will next face U.S. Open champion Svetlana Kuznetsova.

"She is a great player, but everyone is beatable," Mirza said.

Martinez, who ended a five-year title drought in January by winning in Pattaya City, Thailand, raced ahead 5-1 in the first set and broke Asagoe in the fifth game of the second.

Mirza, who this month became the first Indian woman to win a WTA Tour title, squandered a 4-1 lead in the first set and Kostanic went on to win the tiebreaker. Mirza then regrouped behind a strong forehand.

Jelena Jankovic of Serbia-Montenegro defeated Paola Suarez of Argentina 6-3, 6-1. The top four seeded players had first-round byes: Lindsay Davenport, Serena Williams, Anastasia Myskina and Kuznetsova.

Wiggly
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:03 AM
Venus should have withdrew...

Now, she find excuse but a normal top player should beats Farina Elia injured or not :rolleyes:

Geisha
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:05 AM
This isn't really like Venus. You usually don't hear her say this about her opponents so abruptly. But, I guess part of being a tennis player is being able to stay fit and Venus wasn't today. Oh well.

But, in all honesty- Venus would have beaten her quite easily if her body wasn't aching.

Ryan
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:13 AM
Um, it's true. Silvia has no "weapoen" per sey so hurt Venus. Normally it WOULD have been a routine match. That's indicated by the 8-0 h2h she held, only dropping one set: in 1998.

venus_rulez
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:14 AM
I'm just waiting for all the posters to come in here and bash Venus for her arrogance and ungraciousness, when Myskina and Patty say things like this it's funny. The reality is when you're a top player and a grandslam winner at that, the lower ranked players simply don't have the weapons to hurt you. They may force you to play a tight match, but it always depends on the top player how they play, how they approach the match. But again Venus cannot win another match her entire life, but she's already Venus Williams and that is nothing to be ashamed of. :worship:

TonyP
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:17 AM
So maybe Farina Elia now DOES possess the weapons to beat Venus, as do Mauresmo and countless other players who have beaten Venus in the last couple of years.

Forget that Venus' comments were not exactly a display of good sportsmanship. Concentrate on the fact that if she believes what she is saying, Venus is really in denial.

Gowza
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:18 AM
silivia doesnt have weapons in terms of power but she is consistent, good mover and good thinker which is why she is ranked so highly. venus should win this match most days but players like silvia are always there waiting when the top players have an off day or dont play their best.

switz
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:20 AM
i don't care that venus said that but at the time i don't remember patty saying "it would normally be a quick match". she has said before that she should have won a match but it's kind of different because that's talking about 1 match. Patty has never directly talked negatively about a players ability. not even conchita - even when she bad mouthed her she also said that she was such a great player etc.

i'm not going to 'bash' venus though. even if i think it's a little direct for my liking, especially when silvia credited her fighting as brilliant - indicating there is no animosity i guess.

TennisSTUD
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
just another "normally I would have won" statement......well Venus you're not winning so get over the fact that you have been letting your game slip while everyone else is coming out firing away

switz
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
and we should say that silvia doesn't have the weapons to defeat a player like davenport either - but she has - on grass.

Gowza
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:22 AM
silvia is quite a good player on grass.

fammmmedspin
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:26 AM
The hype is getting to her head and sounding delusional to the extent she is missing the point.. Its precisely players who can hang in with Venus long enough to get the error and who turn up to tournaments in better shape that beat her and have been beating her for the last year. Silvia is having another good year and is a fit experienced professional with considerable skill and variety who troubles lots of players and looks like a top 20 player in all respects.Thats the sort of player you take seriously if you have Venus's 2004/5 record and not her 2000/2001 record. Instead of reasuring herself she is the best and laughing during several of Silvia's games as she thought she had avoided a defeat because Silvia couldn't serve it out, she ought to be asking how come I miss so much and get injured so much. Top players just shouldn't fall physically and mentally apart between the semi and final of one tournament and then turn up for the next carrying both the old and a new injury without some reason. She needs to do something different not tell herself how good she is.

Stamp Paid
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:27 AM
LOL, just like Myskina eh, Venus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Minot113
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:33 AM
I don't care if Myskina does it all the time, what does that have to do with Venus? Venus's comments today really display some bad sportsmanship and I am shocked. You can say Myskina say the same things and they are considered funny. Well I don't consider them funny. Silvia Farina Elia does not need to hear comments like this from Venus or any other player.

fammmmedspin
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:42 AM
LOL, just like Myskina eh, Venus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't think Myskina would ever say "normally it would be a quick match". Myskina rarely has quick wins and knows people can beat her. like anyone in the top 10 she might say "I should have won" but thats not the same thing. Myskina has never had the highs that players like Graf and Venus had where the opponent just wanted to get a game in each set. Venus's problem is that she still partly thinks she is the world's best player of 2000/2001 but probably says so to try and convince herself more than anyone. It looks like her way of coping with Serena beating her continually and denying her any GS, her form and what looks like a perpetual muscle injury that doesn't seem to go away. As a coping strategy it doesn't work - not least because the injury looks real and the lack of confidence comes out on key points.

Jeleno Benesovo
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:44 AM
What a sour loser :rolleyes:

TennisSTUD
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:45 AM
We know Venus is great and has won grandslams...BUT not right now......give your player credit or don't say anything at all

Volcana
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:47 AM
Venus, you're my fave, but sometimes, it's best to leave it at, 'I didn't play my best tennis, and I got my ass kicked'. The truth is a wonderful thing. The whole truth, often less so.

Randy H
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:53 AM
In terms of power shots, no, Silvia doesn't have the kind of weapons that are generally going to be of much threat to Venus. However, there are many components of the game that can be weapons to someone, including fitness, consistency, and many more. Today, Silvia obviously did have something that was a weapon for her that allowed her to be the better player today. You don't have to blast winners on a court to hurt someone, sometimes you just have to be the better thinker. Considering Venus' amount of errors in the match, I don't think she played the smartest match of her career, and it cost her.

Stamp Paid
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:04 AM
I don't think Myskina would ever say "normally it would be a quick match". Myskina rarely has quick wins and knows people can beat her. like anyone in the top 10 she might say "I should have won" but thats not the same thing. Myskina has never had the highs that players like Graf and Venus had where the opponent just wanted to get a game in each set. Venus's problem is that she still partly thinks she is the world's best player of 2000/2001 but probably says so to try and convince herself more than anyone. It looks like her way of coping with Serena beating her continually and denying her any GS, her form and what looks like a perpetual muscle injury that doesn't seem to go away. As a coping strategy it doesn't work - not least because the injury looks real and the lack of confidence comes out on key points.

I don't care if Myskina does it all the time, what does that have to do with Venus? Venus's comments today really display some bad sportsmanship and I am shocked. You can say Myskina say the same things and they are considered funny. Well I don't consider them funny. Silvia Farina Elia does not need to hear comments like this from Venus or any other player.

:rolleyes:

I was referring to when Venus said the exact same thing when Myskina beat her at Roland Garros last year. I thought any good Myskina fan would recognize the joke.

JenFan75
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:12 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Patty and Venus were good friends :p

SelesFan70
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:48 AM
Sometimes getting the ball back one time more than your opponent over the net and inside the boundaries of the court IS a weapon... :wavey:

DelMonte
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:55 AM
Sometimes getting the ball back one time more than your opponent over the net and inside the boundaries of the court IS a weapon... :wavey:


OUCH. That hurt! :tape:

aNYthing
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:58 AM
I believe Venus 100%, but if she didnt play the match and she have a reason to make that statement. :o

ubiquitous
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:00 AM
sounds like Venus just made a fair assessment to me :shrug:

thainguyen
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:01 AM
did she really say that???

tenn_ace
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:06 AM
Venus and delusional.... never thought I would see these two words together in one sentence.

xr6turbo
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:14 AM
sounds like Venus just made a fair assessment to me :shrug:
I agree.. Although she shouldnt have played i dont think, especially if her tummy is still sore, she should rest it for Miami. Oh well, go get better Vee, look forward to seeing you at the NASDAQ :D :yeah:

harloo
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:05 AM
Again Julia is trolling. I don't know why folks fall for her little act.:lol: :rolleyes:

treufreund
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:19 AM
How did Venus get blisters so quick in a tournament??? :confused:

Hachiko
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:22 AM
Venus complaining again after a loss, becoming a bit of a pattern.

Freewoman33
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:47 AM
sounds like Venus just made a fair assessment to me :shrug:


Exactly.

Venus should've just stayed home. I'm not worry about this loss at all. No disrespect to her, but Silvia isn't and has never been a threat to Venus Williams. My mean concern is Venus' health. I hope that she'll take care of whatever is ailing her and be prepared for the Nasdaq.

jbone_0307
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:55 AM
Obviously she did. Venus, she sent you packing home, so she had to use something against you. Venus complains and blames in just about every loss for the past year. Injure, fatigue, etc. I've just about heard it all from her. Why would she play??? She should be use to pulling out of tournaments by now. Blah Blah Blah, whats next. Anyways, the next time she goes to a tournament, it should be to win.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:59 AM
I disagree. She seems to play hurt alot so since it's normal for her she might as well give the player some credit. The odd thing is there's a role reversal. I expect Venus to play better on clay and Farina Ella to show her game on grass and hard courts. Farina Ella hasn't beaten anyone in the top 10 (except for today) unless it has been on grass. Venus although she really didn't beat anyone on clay last year won titles. It's been 10 months since Venus has won a tourni hopefully she'll turn that around when the clay season starts.

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:12 AM
Again Julia is trolling. I don't know why folks fall for her little act.:lol: :rolleyes:

No.

Julia is not trolling.

The article in question, in its entirety has made it across all mainstream media. Sports Illustrated, tennis.com, ESPN, etc. It had not been posted here and felt it was of interest to Venus fans and detractors alike.

Its not the first time Venus has made such statements. Almost verbatim, Venus made a similar comment about Myskina after her loss at the 2004 French Open quarterfinals.

Reality being that Venus has a little problem figuring out why she is persistently injured and what to do about it. Whining about hand blisters and lingering abdominal strains, then giving the obligatory parting comment to her victor, "She Really Doesn't Have The Weapons To Hurt Me" is very caddy and very telling of her personal frustration of not being able to defeat players she once dominated.

Venus has done NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING positive to bring herself back to the glorious fourteen months between July 2000 to September 2001 when she won Wimbledon and the US Open twice. She is without doubt one of the most talented and powerful women in the WTA and all she now dishes are excuses/caddy comments to her victors. What is odd about her comment towards her victor today is that two+ years ago she could have made that comment accurately. However, today, her opponents could say the exact same thing about her.

Venus' growth in the WTA seems to be stunted by her inability to admit to herself that it isn't 2003, and if she doesn't start making some positive changes (coaches, physical trainers) she will soon follow the beaten path of predecessors Tracy Austin, Andrea Jaeger and Martina Hingis.

And that's not trolling, Haraboo. Its called an opinion.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:16 AM
I agree. She's become the Barry Bonds of WTA Tennis.

Dawn Marie
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:22 AM
Venus is telling the truth, Silvija has no PHYSICAL weapons to beat Vee. She did have her 100% health in her corner. Sometimes it helps to win matches when one is 100%.

Venus will be back the girl is injured and it aint like Silvija is going to win this tourney so what is the big deal here?

Vee is telling the truth:)

Dawn Marie
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:23 AM
How is Venus's statement BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD Sportsmanship?

You trolls are some dumbphucks:)

_LuCaS_
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:24 AM
:rolleyes:

I was referring to when Venus said the exact same thing when Myskina beat her at Roland Garros last year. I thought any good Myskina fan would recognize the joke.
I did :)

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:25 AM
How is Venus's statement BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD Sportsmanship?

You trolls are some dumbphucks:)

I don't recall anyone saying she was a bad sportsperson. Sour grapes stomped together with a little denial perhaps, but not a bad sport.

Oh, I see you have been working on your phonics. Congratulations.

Dawn Marie
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:28 AM
Julia you need to stop and actually READ the entire thread instead of trying to argue with Venus fans in a hurried rush.

Last post aimed at you as you're not a TRUE TENNIS fan but more of a VENUS and SERENA hater.

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:50 AM
Julia you need to stop and actually READ the entire thread instead of trying to argue with Venus fans in a hurried rush.

Last post aimed at you as you're not a TRUE TENNIS fan but more of a VENUS and SERENA hater.

Well, you certainly have a right to your opinion, as I feel most Williams Fans in this forum hump the most innocuous posted articles like a dog on a warm leg. I guess that's the only excuse the Williams fans in this forum can use to deflect the truth.....Venus' own words.

I'm sure someone will say it was taken out of context. However, its not the first time Venus has spoke in this manner about her victor opponents. And until her obvious frustration subsides, she will most likely rationalize her tennis shortcomings with caddy and unnecessary comments which only mean to belittle her victor opponents efforts. The pattern has been identified.

Meanwhile, everyone else who has watched Venus' decline, who have followed tennis for decades (HELLO!, not just because Venus and Serena plays), know it will be almost next to impossible to resurrect a tennis game which shows malignant stagnation with a splash of "whine".

No, I am not a fan of caddy quitters.

Fingon
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:54 AM
Venus is telling the truth, Silvija has no PHYSICAL weapons to beat Vee. She did have her 100% health in her corner. Sometimes it helps to win matches when one is 100%.

Venus will be back the girl is injured and it aint like Silvija is going to win this tourney so what is the big deal here?

Vee is telling the truth:)

Venus lost to Talaja? :confused:

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:55 AM
Bravo. What an absoulutely amazing post. What a comeback and not one curse word. So amazingly how the English language can be powerful with just a very well worded explanation.

Martian Jeza
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:58 AM
Julia you need to stop and actually READ the entire thread instead of trying to argue with Venus fans in a hurried rush.

Last post aimed at you as you're not a TRUE TENNIS fan but more of a VENUS and SERENA hater.

Great point again from a Williams sisters fan : If you hate the sisters : you are not a true tennis fan : Keep on going with bullshit : I realy love that !!!

TonyP
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:01 AM
"No, I am not a fan of caddy quitters."


I'm not either. If you pay somebody to carry your golf clubs around the course, that's what they should do. No quitting in the middle of the round.

Perhaps you mean "catty." </B>

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:04 AM
Actually it's the other way around. You don't have to like Venus and Serena and be a TRUE Tennis fan if you have a good explanation as to why. The commentators surely have one which is about the same as most of the people who don't like their games.
You can be a Venus and Serena fan and not be a TRUE Tennis fan. That's because of how popular they are. A lot of people just watch tennis to see Venus and Serena play. In the process of doing that they're ignoring the beauty and craftmanship of other player's style and strategies on the court.

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:04 AM
Well, you certainly have a right to your opinion, as I feel most Williams Fans in this forum hump the most innocuous posted articles like a dog on a warm leg. I guess that's the only excuse the Williams fans in this forum can use to deflect the truth.....Venus' own words.

I'm sure someone will say it was taken out of context. However, its not the first time Venus has spoke in this manner about her victor opponents. And until her obvious frustration subsides, she will most likely rationalize her tennis shortcomings with caddy and unnecessary comments which only mean to belittle her victor opponents efforts. The pattern has been identified.

Meanwhile, everyone else who has watched Venus' decline, who have followed tennis for decades (HELLO!, not just because Venus and Serena plays), know it will be almost next to impossible to resurrect a tennis game which shows malignant stagnation with a splash of "whine".

No, I am not a fan of caddy quitters.[/B]

Oh, and one more thing. When Serena gained a psychological advantage over Venus and consistently began beating her....Venus was done. I don't think Venus has the will to try to overcome 'lil sis, which is the same reason that will keep Venus from being her best. Another example of how a talented player can let their mental game beat them.

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:07 AM
"No, I am not a fan of caddy quitters."


I'm not either. If you pay somebody to carry your golf clubs around the course, that's what they should do. No quitting in the middle of the round.

Perhaps you mean "catty." </B>

Thanks :)

I hoped someone would catch the play on words. I used it a lot in my previous posted article as well.

:kiss:

Conchi Party
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:15 AM
Whether she is telling the truth about Farina-Elia (who I agree is somewhat over rated) the fact is Venus sucked ass. If you don't know your body's limits, then I think you are not a good athlete. Her arrogance for a player not doing so hot is shocking. I do like Venus, just not the bitchy poor sport Venus.

Darop.
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:30 AM
Well, that's true, if by "weapon" Venus means a 68768 km/h serve, but Silvia does have consistency, placement and excellent shot selection.

Prizeidiot
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:49 AM
I like Venus, but I think her statement was inappropriate. I mean, whether it's true or not, it's pretty demeaning to Silvia, who is actually a pretty good player.

Veritas
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:13 AM
I can't really fault Venus for her statement. Farina Elia doesn't have the weapons to beat a fit and healthy Venus. If she did, then she wouldn't have had a dire 0-8 record before this match.

Lady
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:24 AM
While I think that playing well, Silvia has a chance to beat Venus, yesterday it wasn't the case.
Simply because not only Venus played bad, Silvia played horrible. She could barely keep the ball in play, and couldn't hit her backhand propertly.
I've seen Silvia playing before, and I know that she's better then that!! Much better!

Lady
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:25 AM
Well, that's true, if by "weapon" Venus means a 68768 km/h serve, but Silvia does have consistency, placement and excellent shot selection.

Only she didn't show it yesterday!

jrm
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:24 AM
A coule of years ago we would say 'Venus on crutches' would beat anyone outside top 15! Now just poor shadow of former star and regardless what her fans might say she will never be anywhere near as she was couple of years ago!

SerialKiller#69
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:29 AM
What this match means to me is that SILVIA is one goddamn good player to take advantage of Venus' physical problems. If she were just any tennis player, then she already lost it even before the match starter.

Jakeev
Mar 1st, 2005, 10:37 AM
Silvia is a hard-working player, but she does NOT have the weapons to beat power players on a consistent basis. If she did, she would be a top-ten player by now.

You may not like to read someone like Venus saying this, but if the facts are facts, why get upset about it?

But Silvia is a consistent, steady player regardless of the fact she may not pummel her opponents to submission. The fact is, an injured Venus did lost to a player she should have probably lost to being injured.

If Venus had played say for instance Marie Eve Pelletier or Anne Mall, two players not quite close to the top 100, Venus more than likely would have won the match and nobody would have blinked.

V-MAC
Mar 1st, 2005, 11:17 AM
with 67 unforced errors in just 2 sets, I'm pretty sure that I could have even beaten Venus yesterday :o C'mon Vee, get your game together :bounce:

Odd
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:10 PM
I think she was just being honest when she said that, and it isn't really as big a deal.

Although it would have been a nice touch if she would have acknowledged her opponents victory a bit better.

No matter how badly she felt she played, you do your image no harm in paying your opponent the respect she usually pays you. Anything less just smells of bad sportsmanship.

Sometimes it is in the hard times where you can win your most true admirers.

Doraemon
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:24 PM
I thought Venus was the classier one of the sisters... I smell big sour grapes here.

Experimentee
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:25 PM
Normally she doesnt have the weapons to hurt Venus. Even when Venus was injured it was a close loss. I've seen other players say far worse things and get away with it.

Freewoman33
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:46 PM
Normally she doesnt have the weapons to hurt Venus. Even when Venus was injured it was a close loss. I've seen other players say far worse things and get away with it.

Amen.

Doraemon
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:53 PM
If her injury was that serious, she shoulda withdrawn like she often does. My guess is that she knew she couldn't recieve the appeance fee if she pulled out or she didn't want to let the crowd down... I'm leaning on the former...

LDVTennis
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:53 PM
No one has ever had the weapons to beat Venus Williams. In a postmatch newsconference, after having been defeated by Steffi 6-4, 6-4 at the 1996 Manhattan Beach event, Venus was asked what she thought of Steffi's game. She responded that "she saw nothing special out there."

Years later, after seeing the Venus William's game fail to evolve and even devolve, that comment is starting to make more and more sense. Of course, to Venus Willliams, the ability to hit a drop shot, to hit a slice backhand, to hit a consistent and dynamic forehand, and to elevate both shoulders and her entire body into her serve were not only "not special," they were and would also become the very things her game so sorely lacked and the things she would find impossible to do as her body became more injury-prone.

The even bigger irony of Venus words and career in retrospect, of course, is that she's not nearly as old as Steffi was in 1996 and yet she's the one now who truly looks like she's got "nothing special" to give.

IcePrincess
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:55 PM
Very interesting thread!

I don't mean to sound CATTY....... but I'm playing golf tomorrow....... and I need to contact my fabulous CADDY.

See y'all later! Tootles!


:wavey:

Doraemon
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:01 PM
No one has ever had the weapons to beat Venus Williams. In a postmatch newsconference, after having been defeated by Steffi 6-4, 6-4 at the 1996 Manhattan Beach event, Venus was asked what she thought of Steffi's game. She responded that "she saw nothing special out there."

Years later, after seeing the Venus William's game fail to evolve and even devolve, that comment is starting to make more and more sense. Of course, to Venus Willliams, the ability to hit a drop shot, to hit a slice backhand, to hit a consistent and dynamic forehand, and to elevate both shoulders and her entire body into her serve were not only "not special," they were and would also become the very things her game so sorely lacked and the things she would find impossible to do as her body became more injury-prone.

The even bigger irony of Venus words and career in retrospect, of course, is that she's not nearly as old as Steffi was in 1996 and yet she's the one now who truly looks like she's got "nothing special" to give.

Looks like she hasn't matured a bit since then after all.

spencercarlos
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:40 PM
How is Venus's statement BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD Sportsmanship?

You trolls are some dumbphucks:)
The day that Venus accepts the other player was better than her in that particular day, no matter what conditions were involved (injuries, bad play), she will be the player she used to be. She is being saying things like this, pretty much since Davenport first win over her last summer.

GoDominique
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:50 PM
Is the quote true? I'm too lazy to check.

Anyway, she should not use the word "normally". What is that? Does it mean 5 years ago?
"Normally" doesn't exist in tennis. You play your opponent, and you win or lose, that's all.

CanadianBoy21
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:57 PM
I didn't like that comment from Venus.
It shows what she really thinks of Elia as a player. She thought she would still win injured that's why she played. And she almost did. haha.
But she should have kept her dignity and lef tthe tournament with grace. I would expect this from Serena, because Serena is a fighter and also speaks her mind in itnerviews, but Venus holds herself to high standards. When it's the toughest to be a good loser that's when you have to have the most grace.
I still love you Vee.

ttaM
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:00 PM
I am pretty sure Monica lost to Silvia a few years ago during Fed Cup 4-6, 6-4, 6-4 and she said her having blisters on her (right?) hand affected her performance as well.

Blisters-vs-Silvia Farina-Elia=Loss for blisters.

Angel_Mars
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:14 PM
This isn't really like Venus. You usually don't hear her say this about her opponents so abruptly. But, I guess part of being a tennis player is being able to stay fit and Venus wasn't today. Oh well.

But, in all honesty- Venus would have beaten her quite easily if her body wasn't aching.

Venus said something very similar about Anastasia Myskina when Nastya beat her at the French Open last year. I think she said "That player doesn't have the weapons to hurt me" didn't even call Anastasia by name.....

TonyP
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:19 PM
As I said, the remarks about Elia are perhaps unkind, but not all that unkind. The real issue is whether or not Venus really believes all this stuff she keeps saying after every defeat.

Has she checked recently to see when the last time was that she hoisted the winner's trophy at a grand slam event? After any event?

Venus no longer serves like a top player and her groundies generally don't penitrate like a top player's. And without those two weapons, she is just an average player. Its no longer true that only her sister can beat her (although that was never really true, either.)

Almost anyone who takes the court against her now probably believes she has a chance to add a win over Venus to her resume.

BoucharDRules
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:23 PM
That's not arrogance on the part of Venus......it's total self-delusion.


Sure, no human being could possibly possess the ability to "hurt" Venus. :rolleyes:

Only inanimate objects such as shoelaces and handbags can really hurt her.


Even if you ignore this loss, Venus should face the reality that she has become a mediocre player.

venusfan
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:30 PM
If Venus was 60% she could beat this Farina... too bad Venus didn't win that tiebreak or else she would have for sure win this match. And Farina doesn't have ANY weapons to hurt Venus.. I wish Venus take an extended break and come back and a small tournament to build up for the big tournaments.

DevilishAttitude
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:33 PM
What Venus making stupid comments. NEVER :lol: :lol: :lol:

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:37 PM
Is the quote true? I'm too lazy to check.

Anyway, she should not use the word "normally". What is that? Does it mean 5 years ago?
"Normally" doesn't exist in tennis. You play your opponent, and you win or lose, that's all.

http://www.tennis.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=155066&itype=1189&icategoryid=286

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:39 PM
If Venus was 60% she could beat this Farina... too bad Venus didn't win that tiebreak or else she would have for sure win this match. And Farina doesn't have ANY weapons to hurt Venus.. I wish Venus take an extended break and come back and a small tournament to build up for the big tournaments.

Farina did win that match, didn't she????

If Farina had no weapons to hurt Venus, then why is Venus whining???

Paneru
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:45 PM
Venus should have withdrew...

Now, she find excuse but a normal top player should beats Farina Elia injured or not :rolleyes:
Yeah, you should know as you obviously have experience
having been a top player injured playing Silvia! ;)

Venus has only spoken the truth!

She broke SFE at will but just
couldn't hold her serve
do to the injury.

Leave it to bitchy haters to always be
so concerned with what someone they dislike says! :lol:

:wavey:

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:18 PM
Venus has only spoken the truth!


Leave it to bitchy haters to always be
so concerned with what someone they dislike says! :lol:

:wavey:

First of all, could you please tone down the filth mouth. Coincidentally, another Williams fan in this thread did the same thing. There are impressionable teenagers that participate here.

There is a time to speak the truth. However, 98% of the WTA generally doesn't engage in "truth-telling" during their post-match interviews out of respect for their opponents. Unfortunately, its not the first time and certainly not the last time we will see this type of arrogance and persistent self-denial from Venus. Its a matter of class and dignity which speaks volumes of where Venus' head is right now. Trash talking players.

Again, before you start humping my leg, how would you feel as a tennis player if an opponent you just defeated said similar things about you???

apoet29
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:38 PM
While I have no doubt that Venus is telling the truth, it was not the classiest statement to make and really makes her look like a sore loser.

I love Venus, but she was wrong here.

harloo
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:46 PM
However, 98% of the WTA generally doesn't engage in "truth-telling" during their post-match interviews out of respect for their opponents. Unfortunately, its not the first time and certainly not the last time we will see this type of arrogance and persistent self-denial from Venus. Its a matter of class and dignity which speaks volumes of where Venus' head is right now. Trash talking players.

Again, before you start humping my leg, how would you feel as a tennis player if an opponent you just defeated said similar things about you???


98% of WTA players? Or is it that your obvious hate of the Williams blind you to the fact that other players,"tell the truth" during their press conferences?".

Julia, seek professional help because you are one sick puppy obsessed with everything Williams. You are not a fan of tennis at all, just a Williams troll! Everyone see's right through your little facade. :lol:

TFan1156
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:00 PM
Venus is telling the truth, Silvija has no PHYSICAL weapons to beat Vee....Vee is telling the truth:)

This is what so many cannot or will not get. It is not what is said but who says it and to whom... Sometimes graciousness in an athlete involves not telling the truth to the press. What they say off the record is beside the point... Now before anyone wants to talk about Sesil, let it be known, she claims to have learned her lesson... :lol:

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:57 PM
This thread is ridiculous. How is Venus washed up and mediocre and a has been and still in the top ten of the best in the world? Does that make everyone else ranked below her absolute shit? I guess it does.

Venus, you lost. Silvia was better. She had weapons, its called getting the ball back. Go regroup and get back on track.

Players win and they lose this is nothing special or new. It all fluctuates anyway.

alicia lost. Svelta lost. I guess they are washed up as well, right?:tape:

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:01 PM
98% of WTA players? Or is it that your obvious hate of the Williams blind you to the fact that other players,"tell the truth" during their press conferences?".

Julia, seek professional help because you are one sick puppy obsessed with everything Williams. You are not a fan of tennis at all, just a Williams troll! Everyone see's right through your little facade. :lol:

No, no, no.

The only person who needs professional assistance is Venus Williams. Her mental and technical game are so badly flawed that she is reduced to being rude to her victors during post match press conferences. It is a pattern which began as a result of her inability to defeat top ten players. She might have a shot at Miami if the field was as weak as it was last year when Serena won it.

Please stop projecting Venus' shortcomings onto me. I was playing/following tennis long before Venus Williams was ever born. Just because Venus Williams cannot perform to her potential is a personal problem of Venus Williams...not mine.

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:04 PM
How is Venus washed up and mediocre and a has been and still in the top ten of the best in the world?

You make a valid point. How can someone be in top ten without being able to defeat but only TWO other top ten players in the past two years???

Venus has an inflated ranking. She is currently not top ten material.

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:17 PM
You make a valid point. How can someone be in top ten without being able to defeat but only TWO other top ten players in the past two years???

Venus has an inflated ranking. She is currently not top ten material.


It' called winnign titles and being somewhat consistent in tournaments.

I can say the same about Jennifer Capriati, who in 2004, did better than Venus at the Slams, but finished behind her in the Champions Race.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:32 PM
Venus, you're my fave, but sometimes, it's best to leave it at, 'I didn't play my best tennis, and I got my ass kicked'. The truth is a wonderful thing. The whole truth, often less so.

She told the truth as evidenced by her commanding h2h -v- Farina. The girl has no weapons to hurt her with. The truth is always simple.


Go Venus

F! all you haters and detractors.


tonyP( i won't ask what the P stands for) what's Hingis doing these days, besides getting her ass kicked by Marlene W?

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:37 PM
A coule of years ago we would say 'Venus on crutches' would beat anyone outside top 15! Now just poor shadow of former star and regardless what her fans might say she will never be anywhere near as she was couple of years ago!
I really don't understand how you can predict that. Did you predict that Mirza would down Kuznetsova 4 and 2? Tennis is a very unpredictable game, and the word "never" is overused and rarely fitting.

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:38 PM
It' called winnign titles and being somewhat consistent in tournaments.

I can say the same about Jennifer Capriati, who in 2004, did better than Venus at the Slams, but finished behind her in the Champions Race.
WHATEVER!
AT LEAST J.CRaP has DEFEATED SERENA 3 TIMES LAST YEAR!!!!!
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME VENUS DEFEATED SERENA?
Okay THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
THE TRUTH HURTS doesn't It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IT TOGETHER LIZCHRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:40 PM
I really don't understand how you can predict that. Did you predict that Mirza would down Kuznetsova 4 and 2? Tennis is a very unpredictable game, and the word "never" is overused and rarely fitting.


Yeah Iva Majoli, never had a chance to beat Hingis in the 97 French final, but as it turned out...Hingis didn't have a chance to win cause she didn't come close to breaking Majoli.

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:41 PM
& by the way
I thought THE GENERAL Feelin IN WTAWORLd.com is that
THE SLAMS MATTER MORE THAN Tier Is & IIs

harloo
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:44 PM
WHATEVER!
AT LEAST J.CRaP has DEFEATED SERENA 3 TIMES LAST YEAR!!!!!
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME VENUS DEFEATED SERENA?
Okay THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
THE TRUTH HURTS doesn't It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IT TOGETHER LIZCHRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jen's three defeats of Serena last year doesn't count considering she won no titles at all. Yep, we all know Jen matches up well against Serena and that's a given. Now if Jen would of won the USO last year instead of choke it away to dementieva then you could talk.;)

harloo
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:45 PM
No, no, no.

The only person who needs professional assistance is Venus Williams. Her mental and technical game are so badly flawed that she is reduced to being rude to her victors during post match press conferences. It is a pattern which began as a result of her inability to defeat top ten players. She might have a shot at Miami if the field was as weak as it was last year when Serena won it.

Please stop projecting Venus' shortcomings onto me. I was playing/following tennis long before Venus Williams was ever born. Just because Venus Williams cannot perform to her potential is a personal problem of Venus Williams...not mine.


Like I said before, "seek professional help". Your hatred of everything Williams has consumed your life and I'm afraid that you may kill yourself. :lol:

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:50 PM
WHATEVER!
AT LEAST J.CRaP has DEFEATED SERENA 3 TIMES LAST YEAR!!!!!
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME VENUS DEFEATED SERENA?
Okay THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
THE TRUTH HURTS doesn't It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IT TOGETHER LIZCHRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, she defeated three times, but did she go on to win the title in those tournaments?

Answer:

NO!

GogoGirl
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:50 PM
All,

The serve is the key. For years - I've blamed most of my faves losses on their inability to hold their serves - and for the most part. If one is broken - then they didn't hold.

Holding serve - is such the key. That is what most players should aspire for - IMO.
It is a huge feat to do - and so important.

Anyway - Venus done good up until her final in Belgium - and yesterday - and for whatever reason - she couldn't hold it.

"Hold Your Own" has always been my motto. Good things can't help but come from it.

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:52 PM
Yes, she defeated three times, but did she go on to win the title in those tournaments?

Answer:

NO!

Also, Venus and Serena haven't played since the '03 Wimbledon Finals (where I still believe Venus would of won had she not been injured). It's safe to say that we saw a far more vulnerable Serena Williams last year, and Jennifer as a result beat Serena 3 times.

Veenut
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:53 PM
Oh please!!! Give it a rest. All this pretence about tennis being about class and sportmanship is totally phoney. For heaven sakes a player saying that another has no weapons to hurt the other is said a million times even by commentators. What so evil about the statement? Hey Venus played badly and she lost. What credit is due to any one? For the haters be happy and rejoice!!! You have been praying for times like these so enjoy it, but don't expect either of them to kiss anyone's ass because it isn't going to happen.

Worst things have been said and done on the courts. For those who have forgotten let me refresh your memories. Stabbing, opponent spitting at the other, statement with racial overtones, dropping of pants, obscene language hurled at umpires, calling your opponet half man, blatant cheating line calls and the list goes on......

With reference to the above, what Venus said is petty in comparison. Anyway I get it that this is just another opportunity for the people who dislike both Venus and Serena to have another excuse to say so. Just enjoy the losses while you can. BTW why the concern about her form and play from those who hate her? Venus still has hope and belief in herself and so do I. For some, I know you are hoping that she leaves the game and not continue to try because you don't want her to achieve more than she has already but I am happy that she ignore the likes of you and continue. As long as she is in the game she has the same chance as anyone else to win and that is what some of you are afraid of.

For some who are claiming to be the parmount of virtue here, it is comical because from reading your posts it is evident that you are void of such characteristic yourself, not to mention the players that you defend when their comments and actions are far more offensive. What else can you expect out of hypocrits but hypocrocy. Hey, we all know what you are and exactly what to expect.

Venus take the time to get well and I'm looking forward to see you in Miami. Forever Love you.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:53 PM
Venus should stop living in the past, simple as that.

as the old saying goes "you're only as good as your last match"

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:56 PM
Yes, she defeated three times, but did she go on to win the title in those tournaments?

Answer:

NO!
DID VENUS BEAT A Top 10 PLayER LAST YEAR?????????////

ANSWER:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Paneru
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:57 PM
First of all, could you please tone down the filth mouth. Coincidentally, another Williams fan in this thread did the same thing. There are impressionable teenagers that participate here.

There is a time to speak the truth. However, 98% of the WTA generally doesn't engage in "truth-telling" during their post-match interviews out of respect for their opponents. Unfortunately, its not the first time and certainly not the last time we will see this type of arrogance and persistent self-denial from Venus. Its a matter of class and dignity which speaks volumes of where Venus' head is right now. Trash talking players.

Again, before you start humping my leg, how would you feel as a tennis player if an opponent you just defeated said similar things about you???

Hush child! :angel:

I say whatever I damn well please,
thank you very much! :kiss:

Your M.O. has always been so
blatantly apparent and is quite pathetic! :lol:

So, a matter of "class & dignity" is to lie
in order to show respect for your opponent?!? :haha:

No one has ever denied that Silvia is a very solid player and has been
for years, but anyone who's ever seen her play Venus knows that
she indeed as no weapons to hurt Venus. You can spout whatever
diatribe you want about conduct to the hilt but fact remains that
a player of her stature 9 of 10 times will lose to a Venus.

To Silvia's credit, she's consistent and stuck around for Venus to lose as venus broke her at will but couldn't serve due to the injury.

You're one to speak of class, dignity, and such and yet you're w/o a doubt
one of the most classes people who post on this board. ;)

I always find it so bemusing how you and others like you have your
distain for anything Williams and obsession to forever concern yourselves
about what they do and say forever on display!

I find it quite chaming, I really do! :)

:wavey:

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:58 PM
DID VENUS BEAT A Top 10 PLayER LAST YEAR?????????////

ANSWER:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!]What does that have to do with anything?

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 06:59 PM
DID VENUS BEAT A Top 10 PLayER LAST YEAR?????????////

ANSWER:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

No she didn't, but even with that record, who ende the year ranked higher?

VENUS!

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:01 PM
]What does that have to do with anything?
Well lets See
SHE DIDn't BEAT ANYone IN the Top 10 Last Year
& finally defeated Myskina, who is in a slump, at the DIamond GAMES
it has ALOT to do with her GAME IN QUESTION

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:03 PM
No she didn't, but even with that record, who ende the year ranked higher?

VENUS!
Because J.Crap Only Played OnE TOURNAMENT AFTER THE US OPEN!
DID U MENTION THAT AT ALL????????
Okay then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

thelittlestelf
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:04 PM
First of all, could you please tone down the filth mouth. Coincidentally, another Williams fan in this thread did the same thing. There are impressionable teenagers that participate here.

There is a time to speak the truth. However, 98% of the WTA generally doesn't engage in "truth-telling" during their post-match interviews out of respect for their opponents. Unfortunately, its not the first time and certainly not the last time we will see this type of arrogance and persistent self-denial from Venus. Its a matter of class and dignity which speaks volumes of where Venus' head is right now. Trash talking players.

Again, before you start humping my leg, how would you feel as a tennis player if an opponent you just defeated said similar things about you???
If you really want to consider "She doesn't have the weapons to hurt me" trash talking, then you are very sensitive. More than half of the tour has said something that could be interpreted as arrogance and "trash-talking." You try losing a match because of painful, stinging blisters and a nagging abdominal injury and then going to a press conference trying to put on your happy face.

Venus is a human. I'm sorry that it bothers you.

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:05 PM
Because J.Crap Only Played OnE TOURNAMENT AFTER THE US OPEN!
DID U MENTION THAT AT ALL????????
Okay then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


That's not the reason!

The reason is that Venus had a better season overall. It isn't her problem that Jennifer only played one tournament after the USO.

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:09 PM
Venus was proven right as SFE was just bounced from Dubai after winning the first set 6-4 and serving for the match at 5-3 in the second set. She lost 6-4, 5-7, 1-6.

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:09 PM
That's not the reason!

The reason is that Venus had a better season overall. It isn't her problem that Jennifer only played one tournament after the USO.
& its Not J.Craps ProBLEM
she performed WAY BETTER THAN VENUS IN THE GRAND SLAMS!
Like Bandabou says
TJAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:10 PM
& its Not J.Craps ProBLEM
she performed WAY BETTER THAN VENUS IN THE GRAND SLAMS!
Like Bandabou says
TJAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Even still, she is still ranked behind Venus.

CheckMate.

Now go back into the hole you just crawled out of.

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:11 PM
Venus was proven right as SFE was just bounced from Dubai after winning the first set 6-4 and serving for the match at 5-3 in the second set. She lost 6-4, 5-7, 1-6.
WHATEVER!
WAsn't it the SAME THING THAT Happened to VEnus
In her Lost to MAURESMO : DIAMOND GAMES
didn't U say..SHE SERVED for the Matched & CHOKED?
WHATEVER LIZCHRIS..WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :o

cheo23
Mar 1st, 2005, 07:15 PM
Even still, she is still ranked behind Venus.

CheckMate.

Now go back into the hole you just crawled out of.
Just because she was RANKED higher doesn't Mean she WAS better than J.Crap...the FACTS ARE J.Crap ONly Played 1 tournament after the US OPen & Still had a CHANCE of qualifyin for the YEC
while Venus was Losin to ELENA BOVINA (MOscow) & only winnin 35 POINTS in the match & playin more tournaments to Qualify for the YEC
Both Players FAILED TO QUALIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just GO BACK To U're Mental Institute U CAME FROM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOMe People ARE SUCH SORE LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REALLY GET IT TOGETHER LIZCHRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

lizchris
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:03 PM
SOMe People ARE SUCH SORE LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You shouldn't talk about yourself like that:lol: :haha:

Szymanowski
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:14 PM
You shouldn't talk about yourself like that:lol: :haha:
good point - farina ella could learn from this.

she should be trying to build on the positives of the week, eg. her win over venus.

tennislover
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:17 PM
that sentence was right but showed not much fair play.....

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:23 PM
98% of WTA players? Or is it that your obvious hate of the Williams blind you to the fact that other players,"tell the truth" during their press conferences?".

Julia, seek professional help because you are one sick puppy obsessed with everything Williams. You are not a fan of tennis at all, just a Williams troll! Everyone see's right through your little facade. :lol:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Rocketta
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:25 PM
Venus should stop living in the past, simple as that.

as the old saying goes "you're only as good as your last match"

So according to this theory Sveta currrently is no better than a top 100 player and Molik is no better than a top 20 player? :confused:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:25 PM
She told the truth as evidenced by her commanding h2h -v- Farina. The girl has no weapons to hurt her with. The truth is always simple.


Go Venus

F! all you haters and detractors.


tonyP( i won't ask what the P stands for) what's Hingis doing these days, besides getting her ass kicked by Marlene W?
:o :tape:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:29 PM
Oh please!!! Give it a rest. All this pretence about tennis being about class and sportmanship is totally phoney. For heaven sakes a player saying that another has no weapons to hurt the other is said a million times even by commentators. What so evil about the statement? Hey Venus played badly and she lost. What credit is due to any one? For the haters be happy and rejoice!!! You have been praying for times like these so enjoy it, but don't expect either of them to kiss anyone's ass because it isn't going to happen.

Worst things have been said and done on the courts. For those who have forgotten let me refresh your memories. Stabbing, opponent spitting at the other, statement with racial overtones, dropping of pants, obscene language hurled at umpires, calling your opponet half man, blatant cheating line calls and the list goes on......

With reference to the above, what Venus said is petty in comparison. Anyway I get it that this is just another opportunity for the people who dislike both Venus and Serena to have another excuse to say so. Just enjoy the losses while you can. BTW why the concern about her form and play from those who hate her? Venus still has hope and belief in herself and so do I. For some, I know you are hoping that she leaves the game and not continue to try because you don't want her to achieve more than she has already but I am happy that she ignore the likes of you and continue. As long as she is in the game she has the same chance as anyone else to win and that is what some of you are afraid of.

For some who are claiming to be the parmount of virtue here, it is comical because from reading your posts it is evident that you are void of such characteristic yourself, not to mention the players that you defend when their comments and actions are far more offensive. What else can you expect out of hypocrits but hypocrocy. Hey, we all know what you are and exactly what to expect.

Venus take the time to get well and I'm looking forward to see you in Miami. Forever Love you.
ENOUGH SAID!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:30 PM
Venus should stop living in the past, simple as that.

as the old saying goes "you're only as good as your last match"
I guess we can say the same about Silvia ("I suck and choke"), Sveta and Alicia today. :)

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:33 PM
No she didn't, but even with that record, who ende the year ranked higher?

VENUS!
:spit:

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:41 PM
For some reason just at the point her tennis is going south, Venus seems to be developing an unseemly superiority complex. :confused:

TFan1156
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:57 PM
For some reason just at the point her tennis is going south, Venus seems to be developing an unseemly superiority complex. :confused:

Well at least she does not say "no one beats me," nor does she claim that she "was not there" at tournaments where she lost. Got to hand Venus that much... ;)

Thauron
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:04 PM
I probably shouldn't post anything in this thread - too many over-sensitive people around, obviously.

Still, as Julia wanted to show, this is a very classless comment.

When you say things like that about a top 20 player, you are being delusional, whether your last name is Williams or whatever.
If Venus says today she is at the same level as 2000-2001 or if she says a top 5 player of the world (Myskina) has no weapons to beat her, I think she has lost any contact with reality.
Rather than make classles comments about het opponents , she should rather concentrate on her problems, her flaws and her weapons for the moment - she has more than work enough in that department.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:29 PM
Well at least she does not say "no one beats me," nor does she claim that she "was not there" at tournaments where she lost. Got to hand Venus that much... ;)
Nor does she say, "well I'm only 17" or "I wasn't playing my best" or "I had my chances, I just didn't take them" :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:34 PM
I probably shouldn't post anything in this thread - too many over-sensitive people around, obviously.

Still, as Julia wanted to show, this is a very classless comment.

When you say things like that about a top 20 player, you are being delusional, whether your last name is Williams or whatever.
If Venus says today she is at the same level as 2000-2001 or if she says a top 5 player of the world (Myskina) has no weapons to beat her, I think she has lost any contact with reality.
Rather than make classles comments about het opponents , she should rather concentrate on her problems, her flaws and her weapons for the moment - she has more than work enough in that department.
And, the same needs to be said about all the players who make the same kinds of comments and the players beneath her in ranking, such as Silvia needs to stop saying things like "I suck and choke" and start working on fitness, and the players above her in ranking like Sveta and Alicia, obiviously need to work on a few things as a result of their performances today. Good God, you act like Venus cursed God. As has been stated in this thread, a lot of worse things have been done and said by other players in the WTA and the ATP, so please, it shows less class to point them out on one specific player than it does to spread it across the board. Why don't you start a thread to bitch about what everyone does and says wrong, then it won't seem so classless and tasteless to pick on one player who lost. She lost, why can't you be satisfied with fucking that?? :mad:

TFan1156
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:35 PM
Nor does she say, "well I'm only 17" or "I wasn't playing my best" or "I had my chances, I just didn't take them" :rolleyes:

Okay Denise... ;)

DA FOREHAND
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:36 PM
And, the same needs to be said about all the players who make the same kinds of comments and the players beneath her in ranking, such as Silvia needs to stop saying things like "I suck and choke" and start working on fitness, and the players above her in ranking like Sveta and Alicia, obiviously need to work on a few things as a result of their performances today. Good God, you act like Venus cursed God. As has been stated in this thread, a lot of worse things have been done and said by other players in the WTA and the ATP, so please, it shows less class to point them out on one specific player than it does to spread it across the board. Why don't you start a thread to bitch about what everyone does and says wrong, then it won't seem so classless and tasteless to pick on one player who lost. She lost, why can't you be satisfied with fucking that?? :mad:


I wouldn't be satisfied fucking a loss, unless Venus agreed to make it a 3sum.

Denise4925
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:39 PM
I wouldn't be satisfied fucking a loss, unless Venus agreed to make it a 3sum.
:lol:

tennischick
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:20 AM
Venus, you're my fave, but sometimes, it's best to leave it at, 'I didn't play my best tennis, and I got my ass kicked'. The truth is a wonderful thing. The whole truth, often less so.
very well said :worship: yes it is was the truth. no she did not need to say it.

faste5683
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:58 AM
And, the same needs to be said about all the players who make the same kinds of comments and the players beneath her in ranking, such as Silvia needs to stop saying things like "I suck and choke"

Slivia didn't say that. That was a title of a thread somebody made up...

:wavey:

Fingon
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:10 AM
I've been reading this thread for a while and has been in circles for eyes.

"Venus is rude"
"Venus is speaking the truth"
"Venus should give credit to Silvia"
"Venus should not give credit to Silvia"

I will try to see if from a different perspective.

I don't really care what Venus said per se.

Yes, it wasn't a very graceful comment, but she is an athlete, not a politicians, she doesn't need to win votes or sympathy, she needs to win matches.

Many other players are arrogant and bitchy, Justine is, Serena is, Maria is, Jennifer is, even Kim is (San Diego).

The problem is, Venus's arrogance at the moment is misplaced, by saying what she said, she still seems to think that everything is alright, that there isn't a problem.

I can tell you, 2 years ago they wouldn't even need to play the match, Venus would have won it, no disrespect to Silvia (I actually like Silvia and don't like Venus) but they were at two different levels, no competition.

And it was that way against most of the tour. I wold have said if Venus was at the same level relative to other players now (the games has evolved) then there is only a handfull of players she could lose to: Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria. Now, if she plays someone like Bovina, you feel she could lose.

It's obvious to everyone that Venus is not even far from that level, she is light years behind. If she keeps thinking that everything is fine this will continue.

I am not saying she should retool her game completely, I don't think that's possible but she should really try to make some improvements. If anything else, the fact of being working to improve could mean an improvement, even if not real improvement at the game level is made, but if she believes she is improving, she will. (that was complicated:scratch: ).

I really have no problems with players being arrogant, as I said, my own favourites are, I even like it when it means energy flowing in the right direction, if it means that the player believes in herself and that makes her a better player, as I said, it's not a popularity contest, but a sports competition.
but you need to back it up with results, otherwise the arrogance looks like denial, you can't be arrogant based on past or potential results, you have to win to be arrogant.

Brooks.
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:46 AM
Do You Venus.........You Rock Girl!

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:48 AM
Volcana and apoet said it best.

Venus made a true but unnecessary statement. It would have seemed very mild in a sport like boxing, but we don't expect tennis players to say of their victors that they would normally have beaten them quickly. It's one thing to be down on yourself, but another to talk about another player as an easybeat. In tennis, there is an expectation of graciousness in victory or defeat. (If you don't like this, follow another sport where talking trash is culturally acceptable.)

Now, I don't think we should get too worked up about this. Venus was probably feeling bitter and angry (at herself), and she spoke on the spur of the moment. No use getting upset about what players say in those circumstances. I'm happy to excuse Venus, as I would any other player in such a situation, but I'm surprised that anyone is actually defending her comments.

GoSandrine
Mar 2nd, 2005, 03:22 AM
I'm a big fan of both Venus and Silvia but I must say it would have been nice to hear Venus give Silvia some credit. That being said, sometimes columnists don't include all comments so perhaps Venus said something positive and it was omitted.

Regardless, Venus was speaking her mind and was probably upset after a tough loss so I'm not going to bash her over this although it does leave a sour taste in my mouth.

vettipooh
Mar 2nd, 2005, 04:07 AM
For some reason just at the point her tennis is going south, Venus seems to be developing an unseemly superiority complex. :confused:She's earned the right to have a superiority complex.:rolleyes: 4 slams and over 30 titles....she's in a league of her own.:rolleyes:

spencercarlos
Mar 2nd, 2005, 04:21 AM
I've been reading this thread for a while and has been in circles for eyes.

"Venus is rude"
"Venus is speaking the truth"
"Venus should give credit to Silvia"
"Venus should not give credit to Silvia"

I will try to see if from a different perspective.

I don't really care what Venus said per se.

Yes, it wasn't a very graceful comment, but she is an athlete, not a politicians, she doesn't need to win votes or sympathy, she needs to win matches.

Many other players are arrogant and bitchy, Justine is, Serena is, Maria is, Jennifer is, even Kim is (San Diego).

The problem is, Venus's arrogance at the moment is misplaced, by saying what she said, she still seems to think that everything is alright, that there isn't a problem.

I can tell you, 2 years ago they wouldn't even need to play the match, Venus would have won it, no disrespect to Silvia (I actually like Silvia and don't like Venus) but they were at two different levels, no competition.

And it was that way against most of the tour. I wold have said if Venus was at the same level relative to other players now (the games has evolved) then there is only a handfull of players she could lose to: Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria. Now, if she plays someone like Bovina, you feel she could lose.

It's obvious to everyone that Venus is not even far from that level, she is light years behind. If she keeps thinking that everything is fine this will continue.

I am not saying she should retool her game completely, I don't think that's possible but she should really try to make some improvements. If anything else, the fact of being working to improve could mean an improvement, even if not real improvement at the game level is made, but if she believes she is improving, she will. (that was complicated:scratch: ).

I really have no problems with players being arrogant, as I said, my own favourites are, I even like it when it means energy flowing in the right direction, if it means that the player believes in herself and that makes her a better player, as I said, it's not a popularity contest, but a sports competition.
but you need to back it up with results, otherwise the arrogance looks like denial, you can't be arrogant based on past or potential results, you have to win to be arrogant.
great post, that is exactly what i thought.
Anyway what is more pathetic to Venus is how does she lose to a player that has "no weapons"? That makes her game worse to that player, eventhough you have better shots, you still got your ass kicked.

She did not really had to expose herself, if she was injured, then she could have withdrawn, she did not, played, got beaten, again a poor excuse...
What`s next? Venus needs someone who take her down to earth and really teach her to act as a champion. Its not like she is not, for god sake 4 grand slams and many finals proves it, but there are times when you have to credit your oponnent, despite how bad you played a match, or the conditions involved in it, and especially right now when losing early at events have become a consistent pattern lately for Venus, early for her standards.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:44 PM
She's earned the right to have a superiority complex.:rolleyes: 4 slams and over 30 titles....she's in a league of her own.:rolleyes:

What a surprise... you are missing the point completely. :rolleyes:

When Venus was the best player (00-01) she had the right to a superiority complex but she didnt exhibit one - on the rare occasions she lost she was a gracious loser.

Its only since shes started to struggle that shes exhibited a lack of sportsmanship toward her opponents. It must be some kind of wierd reverse psychology but it doesnt read well does it.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:55 PM
Venus, you're my fave, but sometimes, it's best to leave it at, 'I didn't play my best tennis, and I got my ass kicked'. The truth is a wonderful thing. The whole truth, often less so.

That is so true. On the otherhand I suppose if tennis players behaved impeccably at all times we'd have nothing to argue about.

AnnArbor25
Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:59 PM
Good article

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:05 PM
another analogy.

two people....... one has a gun (the weapon) and the other person does not.
its still very possible that the one without the weapon can use her brain to outsmart the one with the weapon and defeat her.

Tennis is alot like this.

icequeen
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:14 PM
What a surprise... you are missing the point completely. :rolleyes:

When Venus was the best player (00-01) she had the right to a superiority complex but she didnt exhibit one - on the rare occasions she lost she was a gracious loser.

Its only since shes started to struggle that shes exhibited a lack of sportsmanship toward her opponents. It must be some kind of wierd reverse psychology but it doesnt read well does it.

Who the hell cares how it reads she has a right to say what is true and she is right the girl had no weapon to beat she got lucky because Venus was injured. Nine times Vee has beaten her that should tell something..Idiot.

_LuCaS_
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:19 PM
another analogy.

two people....... one has a gun (the weapon) and the other person does not.
its still very possible that the one without the weapon can use her brain to outsmart the one with the weapon and defeat her.

Tennis is alot like this.
Very possible? Highly unlikely because too many parameters are involved (distance, amunition ;), etc.)
It's hard to fight against split second decisions :tennis:

Szymanowski
Mar 2nd, 2005, 01:43 PM
Well at least she does not say "no one beats me," nor does she claim that she "was not there" at tournaments where she lost. Got to hand Venus that much... ;)
I'm afraid I have to say her comments often seem to come across as saying this:sad:

who was it again who said 'i was not there'? I 4get

squash
Mar 2nd, 2005, 02:19 PM
I do believe that Venus is being misunderstood!

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:52 PM
Who the hell cares how it reads she has a right to say what is true and she is right the girl had no weapon to beat she got lucky because Venus was injured. Nine times Vee has beaten her that should tell something..Idiot.

Bunny Boiler.

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 07:51 PM
Slivia didn't say that. That was a title of a thread somebody made up...

:wavey:
Yeah, that was resolved last night, but I wasn't the only one who was mistaken. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 07:53 PM
I've been reading this thread for a while and has been in circles for eyes.

"Venus is rude"
"Venus is speaking the truth"
"Venus should give credit to Silvia"
"Venus should not give credit to Silvia"

I will try to see if from a different perspective.

I don't really care what Venus said per se.

Yes, it wasn't a very graceful comment, but she is an athlete, not a politicians, she doesn't need to win votes or sympathy, she needs to win matches.

Many other players are arrogant and bitchy, Justine is, Serena is, Maria is, Jennifer is, even Kim is (San Diego).

The problem is, Venus's arrogance at the moment is misplaced, by saying what she said, she still seems to think that everything is alright, that there isn't a problem.

I can tell you, 2 years ago they wouldn't even need to play the match, Venus would have won it, no disrespect to Silvia (I actually like Silvia and don't like Venus) but they were at two different levels, no competition.

And it was that way against most of the tour. I wold have said if Venus was at the same level relative to other players now (the games has evolved) then there is only a handfull of players she could lose to: Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria. Now, if she plays someone like Bovina, you feel she could lose.

It's obvious to everyone that Venus is not even far from that level, she is light years behind. If she keeps thinking that everything is fine this will continue.

I am not saying she should retool her game completely, I don't think that's possible but she should really try to make some improvements. If anything else, the fact of being working to improve could mean an improvement, even if not real improvement at the game level is made, but if she believes she is improving, she will. (that was complicated:scratch: ).

I really have no problems with players being arrogant, as I said, my own favourites are, I even like it when it means energy flowing in the right direction, if it means that the player believes in herself and that makes her a better player, as I said, it's not a popularity contest, but a sports competition.
but you need to back it up with results, otherwise the arrogance looks like denial, you can't be arrogant based on past or potential results, you have to win to be arrogant.
For once I have to agree with Fingon.

Denise4925
Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:06 PM
I'm afraid I have to say her comments often seem to come across as saying this:sad:

who was it again who said 'i was not there'? I 4get
What is wrong with people? Serena said that about the Wimby match against Maria, as if you really forgot. Serena can be very facetious in her interviews. She was joking, i.e. she didn't want to talk about a match that happened almost a year ago. :rolleyes:

Can we talk about other players who say some stupid things and do really abhorent things, instead of the Williams' sisters all of the time. :rolleyes:

RVD
Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:18 PM
I've been reading this thread for a while and has been in circles for eyes.

"Venus is rude"
"Venus is speaking the truth"
"Venus should give credit to Silvia"
"Venus should not give credit to Silvia"

I will try to see if from a different perspective.

I don't really care what Venus said per se.

Yes, it wasn't a very graceful comment, but she is an athlete, not a politicians, she doesn't need to win votes or sympathy, she needs to win matches.

Many other players are arrogant and bitchy, Justine is, Serena is, Maria is, Jennifer is, even Kim is (San Diego).

The problem is, Venus's arrogance at the moment is misplaced, by saying what she said, she still seems to think that everything is alright, that there isn't a problem.

I can tell you, 2 years ago they wouldn't even need to play the match, Venus would have won it, no disrespect to Silvia (I actually like Silvia and don't like Venus) but they were at two different levels, no competition.

And it was that way against most of the tour. I wold have said if Venus was at the same level relative to other players now (the games has evolved) then there is only a handfull of players she could lose to: Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria. Now, if she plays someone like Bovina, you feel she could lose.

It's obvious to everyone that Venus is not even far from that level, she is light years behind. If she keeps thinking that everything is fine this will continue.

I am not saying she should retool her game completely, I don't think that's possible but she should really try to make some improvements. If anything else, the fact of being working to improve could mean an improvement, even if not real improvement at the game level is made, but if she believes she is improving, she will. (that was complicated:scratch: ).

I really have no problems with players being arrogant, as I said, my own favourites are, I even like it when it means energy flowing in the right direction, if it means that the player believes in herself and that makes her a better player, as I said, it's not a popularity contest, but a sports competition.
but you need to back it up with results, otherwise the arrogance looks like denial, you can't be arrogant based on past or potential results, you have to win to be arrogant.two words... 'ab injury'. ;)
Otherwise, Venus would still be in this tourney.

Oh, and one more word... 'distraught'.

It's obvious, at least to me, that Venus was upset over the recurring injury or even the silly loss. But either way, she said what she said because she felt it was the truth. ALL players have done this at some point. Yet again, here we now have 4 PAGES on something a Williams said. :eek: :eek:
That's either power on the part of Venus. Or ignorance on the part of fans and haters.

Now, can we just let this mofo go! This dead horse has truly been beaten to death here. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/deadhorse.gif
JEEEEEZUS! :rolleyes: