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Volcana
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:09 PM
If abdominal strains continue to be a recurring problem, Venus may have to go in for a wholesale re-tooling of her game, a la Amelie Mauresmo. Mauresmo's recurring back injuries eventual forced her to give up the power baseline game that got her to the '99 OZ final. Venus may have to consider going that route, just to reduce the amount of torque on her abs. Her ranking would suffer a bit, and probably for a while, but her ranking is going to suffer, as she's defending a significant plurality of her points at Charleston, Warsaw, and Berlin.

I support Venus whatever she decides to do, but physically, she's just not holding up. A change is in order. I don't pretend to know what's best for her, but the current course has proven unsuccessful. By Venus' standards, at any rate. Obviously, I'd love to see her prove me wrong.

blumaroo
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:12 PM
I wonder how her game would be without the power. Is she crafty enough to change her game into an amelie game?
Maria is bound to get injured because her style is similar to Venus. But then both have different bodies though Venus appeared to be much stronger.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:29 PM
You're wrong. Sharapova's preparation is almost flawless. Her point of contact is usually consistently the same. Sharapova isn't as strong as Venus but because her preparation is so good like Lindsay it compensates for her lack of stength. Sharapova seems to know her body. What she can do on the court and what she can't. What schedule works for her and what doesn't. Venus still doesn't it seems. Mauresmo has power to her game. When she beat Venus in Philadelphia. She used a variety of shots including a lot with power to them. Venus can play consistent. Obviously her wins on clay show that. She just has to believe in herself that she can have a Plan B when things aren't working for her.

Volcana
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Mauresmo has power to her game. When she beat Venus in Philadelphia. She used a variety of shots including a lot with power to them.I can only suggest you go view a few tapes of Mauresmo is 1999. There's no comparison.Venus can play consistent. Obviously her wins on clay show that. She just has to believe in herself that she can have a Plan B when things aren't working for her.All the Plan B in the world won't work if you're constantly injured.

GoDominique
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Not possible for Venus. Attack has always been her style and she won't change that.

If the injuries are really THAT bad (which I doubt) then she might as well retire.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:48 PM
I also wrote Venus doesn't appear to know what schedule works for her.
If she did she wouldn't be injured all the time. It would still be good to have a plan B when plan A isn't working. You really think that Mauresmo was hitting that hard when the power hitters were Hingis and Lindsay. funny. I hit harder than they do. Now Serena hits like a man. Lindsay just hits amazingly flat, everything seems to skid.

thelittlestelf
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:49 PM
Sharapova is also 17 years old. She doesn't have to worry about serious injuries for a little while.

I don't think it's wise for Venus to change her style of play either, and I don't think she needs to.

thelittlestelf
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:50 PM
I also wrote Venus doesn't appear to know what schedule works for her.
If she did she wouldn't be injured all the time. It would still be good to have a plan B when plan A isn't working. You really think that Mauresmo was hitting that hard when the power hitters were Hingis and Lindsay. funny. I hit harder than they do. Now Serena hits like a man. Lindsay just hits amazingly flat, everything seems to skid.

Is that so?

switz
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM
mauresmo did change her game but at the same time she still had amazing volleys and had a lot the elements to her game that she uses now. the main difference is the way she hits her serve and how much she goes for her shots. one thing i can say that if mauresmo was allowed to progress that 99 game without injury then she would definitely have slams. she just used to win so many free points off her serve. i still get pain from when she beat patty in the 99 Aus Open because Patty was playing so well and it was close but Amelie just kept getting the big serve when needed.

i don't really view venus as anything like amelie although when she focuses on putting the ball in the court she is a much stronger player these days. that why i kind of think clay actually is a better surface for her now because she is just so error prone on other surfaces whereas on clay she gets the time to set up for her strokes.

AnnArbor25
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:49 AM
If abdominal strains continue to be a recurring problem, Venus may have to go in for a wholesale re-tooling of her game, a la Amelie Mauresmo. Mauresmo's recurring back injuries eventual forced her to give up the power baseline game that got her to the '99 OZ final. Venus may have to consider going that route, just to reduce the amount of torque on her abs. Her ranking would suffer a bit, and probably for a while, but her ranking is going to suffer, as she's defending a significant plurality of her points at Charleston, Warsaw, and Berlin.

I support Venus whatever she decides to do, but physically, she's just not holding up. A change is in order. I don't pretend to know what's best for her, but the current course has proven unsuccessful. By Venus' standards, at any rate. Obviously, I'd love to see her prove me wrong.

I have to agree.

RenaSlam.
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:09 AM
I hope Venus makes a speedy recovery and comes back even better than before. Miami is a good place to start, she's done well there in the past.

selyoink
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:28 AM
Since it seems that Venus is constantly injured nowadays she should probably retire.

tenn_ace
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:39 AM
I'd give Venus 2 more years (at best) and she'll be done with tennis. Here is why... She is not going to get into changes, re-tooling, etc. First, she isn't as committed/passionate to/about tennis as she once was (when she was a teenager); second, she has lots of other interests (desinging is one that comes to mind); lastly, tennis is not, from what I'm hearing, her only source of income. So who needs all that hard physical work? For what?

Yonexforever
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:48 AM
I'm at a loss as to the apparent demise of Venus. I can't take it any more, Crap one week, a hint of the good ole days the next week, a crapper the next week.
It's all too much for me to bear...Thank goodness like any good monarchy there is an heir AND a spare, and we got lil sis Serena, who at least will fight you like you stole her lunch!
Ahhhhhh V e n u s........................

Andrew.
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:52 AM
I said at the end of last year that if Venus' game didn't pick up, she'd end it at the end of the year. She doesn't need tennis anymore. She has many other things to occupy her time. With her game, her glaring weakness is her forehand, and she jsut refuses to correct it. And all these injuries are apparently causing her pain. Thus, why do you continue? She's probably only happy if she's got a real shot at every tournament she plays, and she's just not there anymore.

Dawn Marie
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:14 AM
I disagree on those people who state that Venus will retire next year or after next if she doesn't win as much. That ain't gonna happen, as I think Venus is a fighter!! The fact that Vee is losing matches yet is still commited to tennis shows that she has faith in her game.

Venus's problems are:

1. Injuries. She is finding it hard to come back after a long injury. It is tough to gain that mental toughness and confidence.

2. She refuses to hire some outside help(coaching) she needs to get another perspective on her abilitities. She is very talented and tough.

3. She is finding herself on the wrong side of some tight (can go either way matches). She has had some losses but she ain't getting her ass kicked. Confidence and Mental Toughness are the key. Along with her injuries.:):)


FEARLESS VENUS WILLIAMS RULES:):)

tenn_ace
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:15 AM
I disagree on those people who state that Venus will retire next year or after next if she doesn't win as much. That ain't gonna happen, as I think Venus is a fighter!! The fact that Vee is losing matches yet is still commited to tennis shows that she has faith in her game.

Venus's problems are:

1. Injuries. She is finding it hard to come back after a long injury. It is tough to gain that mental toughness and confidence.

2. She refuses to hire some outside help(coaching) she needs to get another perspective on her abilitities. She is very talented and tough.

3. She is finding herself on the wrong side of some tight (can go either way matches). She has had some losses but she ain't getting her ass kicked. Confidence and Mental Toughness are the key. Along with her injuries.:):)


FEARLESS VENUS WILLIAMS RULES:):)


like player like fan... delusional.:lol:

Dawn Marie
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:25 AM
No that would be Hingis and her "I will NEVER play again because the Doctor said I would be "WHEELCHAIR BOUND".... err yeah right.")

At least Venus is Playing and taking RISKS.:)

Julia1968
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:35 AM
No that would be Hingis and her "I will NEVER play again because the Doctor said I would be "WHEELCHAIR BOUND".... err yeah right.")

At least Venus is Playing and taking RISKS.:)

For now. However, you have to wonder how a former 2-time Wimbledon champion will continue enjoying the mediocrisy of average court results she puts out today. The decline of Venus Williams is striking to the average tennis fan, sportswriters, commentators, et al. You can attempt to blame it purely on injury, but even Oracene admitted after Wimbledon 2004 that mentally getting back in the game has been the toughest challenge for both her daughters.

Knizzle
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:37 AM
For now. However, you have to wonder how a former 2-time Wimbledon champion will continue enjoying the mediocrisy of average court results she puts out today. The decline of Venus Williams is striking to the average tennis fan, sportswriters, commentators, et al. You can attempt to blame it purely on injury, but even Oracene admitted after Wimbledon 2004 that mentally getting back in the game has been the toughest challenge for both her daughters.

You claim to have faves, but talk about no one without the last name Williams, what's up with that?? :confused:

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 1st, 2005, 05:37 AM
Venus said years ago that she wanted to stop playing tennis by the age of 25. She doesn't need tennis anymore. I just hope that in her fashion career she takes the advise of people who know what they're talking about.

tenn_ace
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:55 PM
No that would be Hingis and her "I will NEVER play again because the Doctor said I would be "WHEELCHAIR BOUND".... err yeah right.")

At least Venus is Playing and taking RISKS.:)


all she's taking is appearance money at some oil backed tournament, sweety ...:wavey:

starr
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:06 PM
I disagree on those people who state that Venus will retire next year or after next if she doesn't win as much. That ain't gonna happen, as I think Venus is a fighter!! The fact that Vee is losing matches yet is still commited to tennis shows that she has faith in her game.

Venus's problems are:

1. Injuries. She is finding it hard to come back after a long injury. It is tough to gain that mental toughness and confidence.

2. She refuses to hire some outside help(coaching) she needs to get another perspective on her abilitities. She is very talented and tough.

3. She is finding herself on the wrong side of some tight (can go either way matches). She has had some losses but she ain't getting her ass kicked. Confidence and Mental Toughness are the key. Along with her injuries.:):)


FEARLESS VENUS WILLIAMS RULES:):)

Strangely, I agree with most of this post. (minus the hyperbole ;) )

Confidence, mental toughness.... and I would add TECHNIQUE (which is alluded to in No. 2) are her problems.

She's got a mountain to climb, and she will have to dedicate herself to climbing that mountain. She's half way up, I think but the steepest part is ahead of her. It takes a lot of work to come back after a serious injury. I wish she would let BJK mentor her about that process. BJK had to come back from serious knee surgeries at a time when laproscopic surgery was unknown and her whole knee was opened.

rjd1111
Mar 1st, 2005, 02:44 PM
I wonder how her game would be without the power. Is she crafty enough to change her game into an amelie game?
Maria is bound to get injured because her style is similar to Venus. But then both have different bodies though Venus appeared to be much stronger.




She was down to serving at 72mph, not being able to hit hard with her Blister against Farina and still played good
enough for 7-5 7-6

jonny84
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:22 PM
Venus has definitley loads more tournament wins in her - dont give up on her just yet!

Venus_Serena
Mar 1st, 2005, 03:24 PM
Venus:sad: ... :kiss: