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king416
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:29 AM
:confused: why the extra 'a'?

selking
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:30 AM
cause shes a chick

bionic71
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:32 AM
Just as Helena Sukovas brother is Cyril Suk....

feminine vs masculine...

Fingon
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:32 AM
can we have a FAQ forum?

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:33 AM
Aren't all the Russian names like that, the female has an 'A' put at the end. Like Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Petrova, Zvonareva....all end in As

thelittlestelf
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:34 AM
Girls get the ova and boys get the ov. IE Yuri Sharapov and Maria Sharapova

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:35 AM
... just as Maria Sharapova is the daughter of Yuri Sharapov. It's a Russian thing. This is very confusing at first when you read Russian literature, especially when they all have diminutive versions of their first names as well, such "Masha" for Maria, "Sasha" for Alexander, and so on. International tennis is starting to seem like a Chekhov play or War and Peace. :lol:

PointBlank
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:51 AM
In Slovakia and Czech Republic you add ova to girls..like Katerina Bohmova's brother is Robet Bohm..but in Russia and some others you add a..like Myskin-Myskina etc..except you dont add ova or a or ov to anything ending in enko like Kirilenko,Bondarenko.

VeeDaQueen
Feb 28th, 2005, 01:07 AM
I think it would be so awesome if Kirilenko changed her name to Kirilenkova. She is one of the rising Russians, but doesn't have the ova :lol:

pla
Feb 28th, 2005, 09:22 AM
I think it would be so awesome if Kirilenko changed her name to Kirilenkova. She is one of the rising Russians, but doesn't have the ova :lol:

Same for Ivanovicova, Jankovicova and of course Krajicekova :lol:

I have my "ova", I have an "eva" too but I am not a rising tennis star, this is unfair :o :D

Jakeev
Feb 28th, 2005, 09:39 AM
:confused: why the extra 'a'?

If your check back in the archives I think in either early 2004 or late 2003, there was a very informative thread about Russian, Czech and Slovakian surnames.

Can't remember the poster who created it, but it was quite interesting.

Duramont
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:02 AM
It is like this:

In some East European countries like Russia or Czech Republic you add an "a" to the father's name for the women.

Safin- Safina
Kuznetsov- Kuznetsova
Dementiev- Dementieva
Petrov- Petrova
Sharapov- Sharapova
Bovin- Bovina

That's if the ending is -ov, -iev or -in.

If it is -sky it becomes skaya

Linetsky- Linetskaya
Krasnoroutsky- Krasnoroutskaya
Skravonski- Skravonskaia

Players from that region without an "a" at the ending have their roots in other countries like Maria Kirilenko with family members coming from Ukrainia.

pla
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:06 AM
It is like this:

In some East European country like Russia or Czech Republic you add an "a" to the father's name for the women.

Safin- Safina
Kuznetsov- Kuznetsova
Dementiev- Dementieva
Petrov- Petrova
Sharapov- Sharapova
Bovin- Bovina

That's if the ending is -ov or -in.

If it is -sky it becomes skaya

Linetsky- Linetskaya
Krasnoroutsky- Krasnoroutskaya
Skravonski- Skravonskaia

Players from that region without an "a" at the ending have their roots in other countries like Maria Kirilenko with family members coming from Ukrainia.

Well summerized. I would just add that the "-ov" rule applies for the "-ev" (Maleev- Maleeva). And the "ski" goes for "ska".

Wombat
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:14 AM
I'm Shutupova and my brother is Shutupov.
That's the russian thing.
Don't even ask 'bout the middlenames:)))

tennislover
Feb 28th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Girls get the ova and boys get the ov. IE Yuri Sharapov and Maria Sharapova

ov means "son of"?
ova means "daughter of"?


navratilova........ :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

beauty_is_pink
Feb 28th, 2005, 04:04 PM
there's also for Slovaks as well...

Hantuch = Hantuchova ;)

Alenyaa
Feb 28th, 2005, 06:19 PM
It's not really that hard to understand, is it...?

Martian Jeza
Feb 28th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I think it would be so awesome if Kirilenko changed her name to Kirilenkova. She is one of the rising Russians, but doesn't have the ova :lol:


You have to pronounce her name " Kirilienka "

alfonsojose
Feb 28th, 2005, 06:27 PM
That's the nice way for Safinass .. ;)

alfajeffster
Feb 28th, 2005, 06:53 PM
ov means "son of"?
ova means "daughter of"?


navratilova........ :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

No, ov means "of God"
ova means "ovarian":lol: :devil:

BUBI
Feb 28th, 2005, 07:38 PM
(...)
Don't even ask 'bout the middlenames:)))
Sorry, but I have to ask about middle names. I had a class of russian years ago but I've forgotten. So tell me about middle names? Please!

Lady
Feb 28th, 2005, 07:45 PM
ov means "son of"?
ova means "daughter of"?


No, it's not!!! :p

clonesheep
Feb 28th, 2005, 08:06 PM
I think it would be so awesome if Kirilenko changed her name to Kirilenkova. She is one of the rising Russians, but doesn't have the ova :lol:
Kirilenko is a Ukrainian name. That's why it's not subject to the "ova" rule. Same with Bondarenko, etc.

clonesheep
Feb 28th, 2005, 08:12 PM
ov means "son of"?
ova means "daughter of"?

Actually, the "son of" or "daughter of" part is reflected not in the family name but in the middle name of a Russian. For example, Maria's full name would be Maria Yurievna Sharapova. The middle name indicates that she is Yuri's daughter.

Wiggly
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:33 PM
There are Benes and Benesova ;)

Tati & Dani
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:45 PM
And what about Daniela Hantuchova ? I thought her brother and father called Hantuchova to ? or is it Hantuch ? :D

Tati & Dani
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:49 PM
You have to pronounce her name " Kirilienka "

I see you on every forum :wavey:

Orion
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:49 PM
In Polish, the -ski becomes -ska for a girl. Marta Domachowska is the daughter of (unknown) Domachowski.

Almalyk
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:41 AM
Is Golovin of Ukrainian heritage also?

clonesheep
Mar 1st, 2005, 01:49 AM
Is Golovin of Ukrainian heritage also?
No. But since Tatiana's family moved to France when she was very young, they might have decided to follow the French tradition (no "ova" thing) and let Tatiana have the same surname as her father.

VeeDaQueen
Mar 1st, 2005, 04:58 AM
Tatiana Golovina :hearts:

Chunchun
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:35 AM
:cool:

salima
Mar 1st, 2005, 08:52 AM
Sorry, but I have to ask about middle names. I had a class of russian years ago but I've forgotten. So tell me about middle names? Please!

Middle names, do you mean ...ovna and .....wich?

That is where the son and daughter comes in

The sons got fathers name+ -ович (ovitsj)
The daugthers got the fathers name + овна/евна (ovna/evna)

Aleksandra Aleksandrovna is Aleskandra, daugter of Aleksander

got it?

TM
Mar 1st, 2005, 09:30 AM
GGGGRRRRR.....AAARRRRRGG!

:mad: :mad: :tape: keeping my :cool: :cool: :wavey:

tennislover
Mar 1st, 2005, 12:06 PM
No, ov means "of God"
ova means "ovarian"

:p :lol:


No, it's not!!! :p

:p x 3 = :p :p :p (:lol: )


Actually, the "son of" or "daughter of" part is reflected not in the family name but in the middle name of a Russian. For example, Maria's full name would be Maria Yurievna Sharapova. The middle name indicates that she is Yuri's daughter.

ty for the explanation :wavey:

andrewbroad
Mar 4th, 2005, 11:55 PM
In Slovak, surnames behave as adjectives, and all feminine adjectives end in -á.

When you have a surname such as Suchý, which is a pure Slovak adjective (meaning "dry"), you just use the feminine form of the adjective, as in Martina Suchá.

But most surnames are not pure Slovak adjectives, so the feminine form ends in -ová, thus:
* Habšuda -> Habšudová
* Hantuch -> Hantuchová

I've not studied Czech, but I expect the rules of surname-formation are the same as for Slovak.

Slovaks even add -ová to foreign names, e.g. Selešová. And they don't recognise the Russian -ова as -ová, so the name Шарапова, which we transliterate as Sharapova, they transliterate as Šarapovová.

All that I've written so far applies to the nominative case, i.e. the subject of a sentence. There are six cases, all with different endings:
* Nominative: Daniela Hantuchová
* Accusative: Danielu Hantuchovú
* Genitive: Daniely Hantuchovej
* Dative: Daniele Hantuchovej
* Locative: Daniele Hantuchovej
* Instrumental: Danielou Hantuchovou

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xan
Mar 5th, 2005, 12:25 AM
No wonder Slovak is not the most popular language to learn!

In fact it is the western system that is curious. We are just used to calling a girl Jane Johnson, even though she is actually Jane Johnsdaughter. (only the Icelanders still keep the "daughter" suffix.)

pav
Mar 5th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Old Yuri Vagin lived to regret naming His youngest Daughter Phillippa ! :o

TennisMan85
Mar 5th, 2005, 05:07 AM
Because this is the way Russian name their son and daughter with a "A" and without "A" ? Thats what I read on the paper last time..

vicky116
Mar 5th, 2005, 11:33 AM
In Slovak, surnames behave as adjectives, and all feminine adjectives end in -á.

When you have a surname such as Suchý, which is a pure Slovak adjective (meaning "dry"), you just use the feminine form of the adjective, as in Martina Suchá.

But most surnames are not pure Slovak adjectives, so the feminine form ends in -ová, thus:
* Habšuda -> Habšudová
* Hantuch -> Hantuchová

I've not studied Czech, but I expect the rules of surname-formation are the same as for Slovak.

Slovaks even add -ová to foreign names, e.g. Selešová. And they don't recognise the Russian -ова as -ová, so the name Шарапова, which we transliterate as Sharapova, they transliterate as Šarapovová.

All that I've written so far applies to the nominative case, i.e. the subject of a sentence. There are six cases, all with different endings:
* Nominative: Daniela Hantuchová
* Accusative: Danielu Hantuchovú
* Genitive: Daniely Hantuchovej
* Dative: Daniele Hantuchovej
* Locative: Daniele Hantuchovej
* Instrumental: Danielou Hantuchovou

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isnt Martina Hingis originally a Slovak too!

her mother Melanie Molitor is Czech and her dad Karol Hingis is a Slovak.

so it should be "Hingisova" right?

anyone knows what "hingis" means, does it have some meaning in Slovak?

theprophe
Mar 5th, 2005, 12:59 PM
yes, it should be hingisova

hingis means nothing in slovak

a few years ago, the czech government instituted a new law no longer requiring females to feminize the last name with a ova/a, not sure if the slovaks did the same

andrewbroad
Mar 7th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Hingis is a Hungarian word. Karol Hingis is an ethnic Hungarian living in Slovakia. Yes, she would have been Hingisová if she had stayed there. But there's no Slovakian blood in her.

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Sabatinifan
Mar 7th, 2005, 11:41 PM
No, ov means "of God"
ova means "ovarian":lol: :devil:

when I was really young I actually did think ova was derived from ovarian. Thank god me learn good. :wavey:

vicky116
Mar 9th, 2005, 09:18 AM
[QUOTE=andrewbroad]Hingis is a Hungarian word. Karol Hingis is an ethnic Hungarian living in Slovakia. Yes, she would have been Hingisová if she had stayed there. But there's no Slovakian blood in her.

i didnt know that! :rolleyes:

so what does it mean in Hungarian? :confused:


sspp

Erdinger
Mar 9th, 2005, 10:07 AM
Old Yuri Vagin lived to regret naming His youngest Daughter Phillippa ! :o
:haha: :haha: :haha:

I also love "Šarapovová" :cool:

*Karen*
Mar 9th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Ova does meen egg in english i think anyways. But it probably doesnt mean anything like that in russian or slovak or whatever

**Jelica**
Mar 9th, 2005, 01:16 PM
This is what I know, but it may be incorrect cos I don't speak Russian very good ;)

In Russia/Ukraine and many other slavic language nationalities, names which and with -ev or -ov or -in are for a female made into the female form, which is putting onto the end of a name an "a" so therefore, for example:

for a girl, the name Myasnikov becomes Myasnikova
or in Bulgarian the name Karatantchev becomes Karatantcheva

But in Russian, names which end with "enko" don't change wth the female written form: so, if a girl's name was Shevchenko, she also would just be called Shevchenko etc. the same is true with names like in Serbian and this is why Jelena Jankovic and Ana Ivanovic don't have a female version of their family names.

The thing where it's like "son of" or "daughter of" is different thing. In Slavic countries, ppl don't have a midle name, you take instead your father's name. In Russian, you put on the female or male ending: for example I would be Jelena Ivanovna, but if I had a brother he would be Ivanovitch. In Serbian you can take your father's name also, but there's not a different forms, you just put the name after.

Anyway, I dunno how correct this is, but I hope it's a lil bit helpfull! :D

andrewbroad
Mar 10th, 2005, 12:47 AM
Ova does meen egg in english i think anyways.

Ova is the plural of ovum (an egg).

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vicky116
Mar 10th, 2005, 10:26 AM
[QUOTE=andrewbroad]Hingis is a Hungarian word. Karol Hingis is an ethnic Hungarian living in Slovakia. Yes, she would have been Hingisová if she had stayed there. But there's no Slovakian blood in her.

i didnt know that! :rolleyes:

so what does it mean in Hungarian? :confused:


sspp

looks like you missed my question Andrew!

what does 'hingis' mean in hungarian? :)

andrewbroad
Mar 11th, 2005, 10:41 PM
[QUOTE=vicky116]

looks like you missed my question Andrew!

what does 'hingis' mean in hungarian? :)

No idea. The only Hungarian word I know is "seles", which means "windy"! ;)

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vicky116
Mar 15th, 2005, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE=vicky116]

No idea. The only Hungarian word I know is "seles", which means "windy"! ;)


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so how do you know it is Hungarian if you dont know what it means?!

:confused:

andrewbroad
Mar 16th, 2005, 01:16 AM
[QUOTE=andrewbroad]so how do you know it is Hungarian if you dont know what it means?!

:confused:

Because Karol Hingis is Hungarian. Not knowing his ancestry, there's a possibility I could be wrong, of course.

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TFan1156
Mar 16th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Give us the breakdown here if anyone knows. Chakvetadze is Russian, no "a" no "ova." What are the roots of this name?

Epigone
Mar 16th, 2005, 02:02 AM
Give us the breakdown here if anyone knows. Chakvetadze is Russian, no "a" no "ova." What are the roots of this name?The name Chakvetadze is Georgian

TFan1156
Mar 16th, 2005, 03:16 AM
The name Chakvetadze is Georgian

Thanks Epi. Was curious as Anna is becoming one of my favs.

RatedR Superstar
Mar 16th, 2005, 03:31 AM
how many "OVAs" are there in the top 100 anyway? it seems like by the end of the year there will be 50 players in the top 100 who has OVA in their last name.

andrewbroad
Mar 18th, 2005, 01:10 AM
how many "OVAs" are there in the top 100 anyway? it seems like by the end of the year there will be 50 players in the top 100 who has OVA in their last name.

Thirteen, if you ignore the difference between Russian -ova (after transliteration) and Czech/Slovak -ová:

3. Maria Sharapova
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova
12. Nadia Petrova
13. Daniela Hantuchová
35. Anna Smashnova
38. Klára Koukalová
46. Iveta Benešová
51. Alina Jidkova
60. Denisa Chládková
61. Barbora Strýcová
63. Nicole Vaidišová
82. L'udmila Cervanová
85. Tatiana Panova

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RatedR Superstar
Mar 18th, 2005, 04:51 AM
Thirteen, if you ignore the difference between Russian -ova (after transliteration) and Czech/Slovak -ová:

3. Maria Sharapova
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova
12. Nadia Petrova
13. Daniela Hantuchová
35. Anna Smashnova
38. Klára Koukalová
46. Iveta Benešová
51. Alina Jidkova
60. Denisa Chládková
61. Barbora Strýcová
63. Nicole Vaidišová
82. L'udmila Cervanová
85. Tatiana Panova

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:eek: wow, thats a lot..thanx Doc :)

Je_ne_sais_quoi
Mar 18th, 2005, 07:04 AM
wot abt Golovin - Golovina or Golovinova? :D

VeraNuVirgosFan
Mar 18th, 2005, 07:40 AM
The name Chakvetadze is Georgian
Is Anna's father Georgian?

Epigone
Mar 18th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Is Anna's father Georgian?Yes, her father is Georgian, and her mother is Ukrainian.

Lady
Mar 18th, 2005, 08:05 AM
wot abt Golovin - Golovina or Golovinova? :D

Golovina

VeraNuVirgosFan
Mar 18th, 2005, 08:10 AM
Yes, her father is Georgian, and her mother is Ukrainian.
Thank you!

Vass22
Mar 18th, 2005, 08:19 AM
One of these threads should be made a sticky...

Duramont
Mar 18th, 2005, 08:30 AM
All the 26 ova's in the Top 200:

Maria Sharapova (RUS/3)
Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS/7)
Nadia Petrova (RUS/12)
Daniela Hantuchova (SVK/13)
Anna Smashnova (ISR/35)
Klara Koukalova (CZE/38)
Iveta Benesova (CZE/46)
Alina Jidkova (RUS/51)
Denisa Chladkova (CZE/60)
Barbora Strycova (CZE/61)
Nicole Vaidisova (CZE/63)
Ludmila Cervanova (SVK/82)
Tatiana Panova (RUS/83)
Michaela Pastikova (CZE/104)
Lubomira Kurhajcova (SVK/111)
Anastasiya Aykimova (BLR/123)
Sandra Kleinova (CZE/124)
Zuzana Ondraskova (CZE/131)
Eva Birnerova (CZE/137)
Katherina Bohmova (CZE/139)
Hana Sromova (CZE/141)
Ekaterina Bychkova (RUS/146)
Lenka Nemeckova (CZE/153)
Henrieta Nagyova (SVK/154)
Lucie Safarova (CZE/176)
Libuse Prusova (CZE/189)

All the ina's in the Top 200:
Anastasia Myskina (RUS/6)
Elena Bovina (RUS/15)
Dinara Safina (RUS/37)
Vera Douchevina (RUS/40)

All the eva's in the Top 200
Elena Dementieva (RUS/5)
Vera Zvonareva (RUS/11)
Elena Likhovtseva (RUS/18)
Magdalena Maleeva (BUL/30)
Sesil Karatancheva (BUL/88)
Galina Voskoboeva (RUS/138)

All the skaia's or skaya's in the Top 200:
Evgenia Linetskaya (RUS/44)
Lioudmila Skravonskaia (RUS/161)
Lina Krasnoroutskaya (RUS/197)