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getright
Feb 26th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Well? :angel:

cheo23
Feb 26th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Well? :angel:
lol@U
YEs U can BE A FAN OF BOTH Players..Why NOT??????????????/
:confused:

Stamp Paid
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Hell, some people find a way to be fans of both Jennifer Capriati and Serena Williams. If that is possible, then I'm sure one can be fans of both Serena and M. Sharapova. I just can't.

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:03 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

bandabou
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:06 PM
It's possible...but it's bound to be problematic..because Serena being the player she is, she' s gonna form a rivalry with ANYONE that is consistent...and then you' ll have to choose sides.

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:12 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

Kabezya
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:13 PM
What would stop people from being fans of both other than personal preference which everyone has a right to?

RenaSlam.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:16 PM
It can be done, but rarely. I can't do it. I would be torn if I had a top favorite like Maria, because she would always play Serena in the ladder events :(

Denise4925
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:18 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:
:worship: :lol:

thelittlestelf
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Possible? Yes.

Likely? No.

Maria Croft
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:20 PM
it can !! I like serena and Maria, I'm not a fan of serena but I always want her to win, except against Maria of course ;)

SJW
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:20 PM
sure can. i was for a while. but it wore off :) used to be a major fan of capriati too. but i started to like other people more than her. :)

Asmus
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Serena is always gracious?!? She referred to her performance in the Wimbledon final as terrible and always says that she played like crap when she loses. She may be RIGHT, but that's still not being gracious. Just as Maria may not have been too gracious in playing to win a big title when Serena was hurt. In interviews I would say that Maria is MORE gracious than Serena, and she her on-court intensity has nothing to do with Serena just as Serena's intensity has nothing to do with Maria. They're just two fantastic competitors and champions.

That is why I am a fan of both players, although I root for Serena a bit more because I've followed her for so many years she doesn't have as many years left.

timray
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:31 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33758

Yes, Everything Is Possible

Maria Croft
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Serena is always gracious?!? She referred to her performance in the Wimbledon final as terrible and always says that she played like crap when she loses. She may be RIGHT, but that's still not being gracious. Just as Maria may not have been too gracious in playing to win a big title when Serena was hurt. In interviews I would say that Maria is MORE gracious than Serena, and she her on-court intensity has nothing to do with Serena just as Serena's intensity has nothing to do with Maria. They're just two fantastic competitors and champions.

That is why I am a fan of both players, although I root for Serena a bit more because I've followed her for so many years she doesn't have as many years left.


:yeah:

Kabezya
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:33 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33758

Yes, Everything Is Possible

Wouldn't that be Venus and Maria :confused:

hablo
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Is it possible to like neither?? :hehehe:

I really don't know whom to cheer for when they play ;)

jacobruiz
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:37 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:


Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.

Josh B.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:41 PM
correct Jacob! :)

Atrixo
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Possible? Certainly, it's definitely possible to LIKE both players at the same time. EQUALLY though? Nope! ;)

Maria is my favourite player on the tour. Doesn't matter who's playing against her --- whether it's a player I like or not --- I'm always rooting for her to win.
I like Serena, but I like Maria a whole lot more. As someone else has said; as long as they aren't playing each other, I'll cheer for them both. :D

Pureracket
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Well, I LOVE Serena and Venus, but I used to see a very young Maria Sharapova play when she would be in junior tournies in Florida. Unlike Martina Navratilova, I didn't necessarily predict greatness, but Yuri was VERY nice to me, and we talked and about other things.

I remember how hot it was on that day, and when somebody brought Yuri a drink, he offered me a sip. I said, "No," because I don't drink behind people unless I'm willing to kiss them(but that's besides the point). Anyway, the main attraction @ the tourney was Bolliteri. I didn't care about the tennis much. I just wanted to see what he looked like. I'll never forget how nice Yuri was to me, though.

I'll probably always be a softie for Maria Sharapova because of her father.

@m@nd@
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:48 PM
serena is not gracious...she said she played like crap at wimbledon after she lost......and when maria lost at AO, she said she played from her heart...not she didnt play well or anything....so obviously we can see whos nicer...

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.

its not so much what she says.........trust me the girl is not stupid...maria says enough to please the media (afterall she has to be little miss perfect right?????).....ITS WHAT SHE DOESNT SAY...........i have never read any post where maria has said serena is a great player or she played a good match.......and serena always at least says that........oh and if you all believe that maria's intensity is just about herself well you are all in denial......this girl takes things to a personal level on the court and u can just see it...the stare downs at serena at the ao were just ridiculous and uncalled for.....look at your crazy ass father if you need to pump your fists at someone for crying out loud (monica and serena have intensity but they never take it to a personal level).......maria has issues with serena and i dont really know why and i dont really care (and serena sure as hell doesnt) but i just wanted to say my peace about it so take it for what you will and be done with it :wavey:

Josh B.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:50 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

sorry,

I think your comment is utter balls!

Your reasons for hating Maria so much are utter balls. I dont hate Serena or any other player, i just have favourites!

You really are biased!

timray
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Wouldn't that be Venus and Maria :confused:
:cool:

Josh B.
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Im not being nasty or anything, but i dont agree with your statement! :)

ceiling_fan
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:58 PM
it's weird for me... i like sharapova better than serena, yet i was going for serena in the aus open....

Kabezya
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:58 PM
:cool:

:crazy: to that manipulation.

Again, people will have their favorites. As with the theme of the thread, what you may like in your favorite, you won't like in someone else. It's natural and happens all the time. There is no tennis law stating one has to like both Serena and Maria or any player for that matter. I do not see why there is such a pull to either compare these two players in particular, find similarities and like both if the feeling and pull is not there already.

jacobruiz
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Well, I LOVE Serena and Venus, but I used to see a very young Maria Sharapova play when she would be in junior tournies in Florida. Unlike Martina Navratilova, I didn't necessarily predict greatness, but Yuri was VERY nice to me, and we talked and about other things.

I remember how hot it was on that day, and when somebody brought Yuri a drink, he offered me a sip. I said, "No," because I don't drink behind people unless I'm willing to kiss them(but that's besides the point). Anyway, the main attraction @ the tourney was Bolliteri. I didn't care about the tennis much. I just wanted to see what he looked like. I'll never forget how nice Yuri was to me, though.

I'll probably always be a softie for Maria Sharapova because of her father.


:eek: Well, THAT'S an interesting story! Or are you just kidding? If you aren't, then I must say it's nice to read something about Yuri from a different perspective, since he apparantly doesn't speak to reporters.

Denise4925
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:00 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33758

Yes, Everything Is Possible
That's sick. :lol:

Denise4925
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:01 PM
Wouldn't that be Venus and Maria :confused:
:lol: I thought that was Venus' body. :haha: :haha: :haha:

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM
(it's easier rooting against both them! :lol: :lol: :lol: )

yes it's possible but one loses all the pleasure of a rivalry......

bandabou
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Haaa....she chose the wrong person to stare down....she really thought she was gonna scare Serena?

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM
sorry,

I think your comment is utter balls!

Your reasons for hating Maria so much are utter balls. I dont hate Serena or any other player, i just have favourites!

You really are biased!

first of all i dont hate anyone so stop implying that i said that :rolleyes: ...some people will make up any crap possible just to make williams fans look bad.........i havent said anything disrespectful and if i had crossed the line then i would have apologized for it so back off :wavey:

steve2005
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:05 PM
it can !! I like serena and Maria, I'm not a fan of serena but I always want her to win, except against Maria of course ;)
Wow, thats exactly like me, i guess great minds think alike :D

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:05 PM
:cool:



:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

DelMonte
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.

SHOCK...HORROR....double-standards and hypocrisy on WTAworld.com? NEVER! :tape:

Denise4925
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Well, I LOVE Serena and Venus, but I used to see a very young Maria Sharapova play when she would be in junior tournies in Florida. Unlike Martina Navratilova, I didn't necessarily predict greatness, but Yuri was VERY nice to me, and we talked and about other things.

I remember how hot it was on that day, and when somebody brought Yuri a drink, he offered me a sip. I said, "No," because I don't drink behind people unless I'm willing to kiss them(but that's besides the point). Anyway, the main attraction @ the tourney was Bolliteri. I didn't care about the tennis much. I just wanted to see what he looked like. I'll never forget how nice Yuri was to me, though.

I'll probably always be a softie for Maria Sharapova because of her father.
Are you serious?? Wow, what an experience. Anyway, a lot of people say a lot of bad things about Yuri. I think he looks very mean and he does coach Maria while she's playing, but the one thing I liked about him during Wimby was that he showed his respect to the Williams' family and hugged Richard. Another thing I noticed was that he clapped for Serena's good plays during the AO semi final. So, I think he may be a nice guy, he just looks very intense.

Yes, I think people can be a fan of both. It's obvious from the fans on this board. Just as I am a fan of Serena and Venus. There's really no difference, they are all top ten players on the WTA and they sometimes play against each other. I think it's better to be fans of both. That way, when one loses, you don't have to feel so bad. However, with that said, I'm definitely not a fan of Maria. :)

Josh B.
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:08 PM
first of all i dont hate anyone so stop implying that i said that :rolleyes: ...some people will make up any crap possible just to make williams fans look bad.........i havent said anything disrespectful and if i had crossed the line then i would have apologized for it so back off :wavey:

Hey, im not getting at you! :)

I didnt imply that you hated anyone!
Im sorry if that came across wrong, probably what i type sounds stupid, does to me!

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Well? :angel:


OMG! is that your first post here? (that's a good start...)
welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wavey:

Denise4925
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:09 PM
:cool:
And, that's even worse. You should have left well enough alone. :lol:

mishar
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:12 PM
Thanks Pureracket for that interesting comment!

I've always been a Serena fan, and I can't help thinking that people criticize Maria for just the sort of thing they've always criticized serena for: their father's behavior, reacting too competitively in a match, perhaps a touch of youthful arrogance.

I've never understood how someone could blow these minor sins (if sins at all) all out of proportion, whether it is Serena or Maria.

Neither of them have always been the perfect sportsmen imho, but neither have done anything grossly unsportsmanlike, and they both leave their guts on the court when they play.

I personally have more of a preference for Serena, but the criticism of Maria makes me want to defend her, it seems so nasty and petty often.

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.


so true.....wise words.... :worship:
you know love is blind......

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?


I totally agree with what you said about Masha......
I don't understand why some people here think she is arrogant.... :confused:

timray
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:16 PM
thanks to you guys who good repped me, yet i have many bad rep :sad:

Josh B.
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:22 PM
ill help ya Timray :D

Kabezya
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:23 PM
I've never understood how someone could blow these minor sins (if sins at all) all out of proportion, whether it is Serena or Maria.


Your post is true and yet that's why preference is such a beautiful thing. I can admit the same things you did about Maria and yet there isn't one thing about her and those qualities that while I may see them in Serena, Kim, Svetlana, make me want to like Maria. Whether it's personality, talent, technique, how that player presents and handles themselves or a mixture of all of them, just because Maria may exhibit them in a similar manner as Serena or vice versa, that is not an absolute requirement that either will be in a favorite slot or list. We're individuals here, we make up our own minds, we know the whys of our likes and dislikes. Hypocritical at times? Sure. Biased, of course. But that's how things go at this message board. The feeling for Maria obviously isn't there for me, I'm more indifferent than hating on her so any criticism about her does nothing for my feelings or thoughts that are already in place. Just as any criticism towards Serena changes nothing that I already feel for her.

Andy.
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Im a fan of both but Masha is my ultimate Fav

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:24 PM
.... yet i have many bad rep :sad:

that's b/c you were a "bad" boy..... ;) :angel:

SJW
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Thanks Pureracket for that interesting comment!

I've always been a Serena fan, and I can't help thinking that people criticize Maria for just the sort of thing they've always criticized serena for: their father's behavior, reacting too competitively in a match, perhaps a touch of youthful arrogance.

I've never understood how someone could blow these minor sins (if sins at all) all out of proportion, whether it is Serena or Maria.

Neither of them have always been the perfect sportsmen imho, but neither have done anything grossly unsportsmanlike, and they both leave their guts on the court when they play.

I personally have more of a preference for Serena, but the criticism of Maria makes me want to defend her, it seems so nasty and petty often.

good post.

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:40 PM
i think the true test of character for maria will be when she experiences her first real letdown after all of this great stuff that has happened to her......when serena left and came back she never blamed other people when she struggled.......she just focused on herself and came back and won a slam less than a year after her comeback......maybe maria will show the same class......i honestly dont know?

Brandon85
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:42 PM
why couldn't you be? people act like they hate each other. this reminds me or 2002 where everyone thought jen and serena hated each other.

WIMBLY2004
Feb 26th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Serena is always gracious?!? She referred to her performance in the Wimbledon final as terrible and always says that she played like crap when she loses. She may be RIGHT, but that's still not being gracious. Just as Maria may not have been too gracious in playing to win a big title when Serena was hurt. In interviews I would say that Maria is MORE gracious than Serena, and she her on-court intensity has nothing to do with Serena just as Serena's intensity has nothing to do with Maria.
:worship: :worship:

Edward.
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:03 PM
Why not?

I'm a big fan of Maria but I like Serena too. I like her outfits and I find her press conferences amusing.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:08 PM
I dunno, I have never liked Maria Sharapova. I know she is a good player, but ever since 2003 Wimbledon (that's when I first heard of her) I got annoyed about hearing about her.

WIMBLY2004
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:12 PM
i think the true test of character for maria will be when she experiences her first real letdown after all of this great stuff that has happened to her......when serena left and came back she never blamed other people when she struggled.......she just focused on herself and came back and won a slam less than a year after her comeback......maybe maria will show the same class......i honestly dont know?

That's class? That's just being reasonable. Because there is nobody to blame, who to blame? The players who defeat you? That will only make yourself stupid.

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:21 PM
its class b/c left and right everyone was saying how serena is declining and she is in a slump and that maria is better and all this crap and did she say anything negative about all of those haters NO!.........she let her game do the talking ok......the true test of a person is when they are at their lowest point.......we have yet to see maria at her lowest point so lets just wait and find out

WIMBLY2004
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:28 PM
Blaming anyone when you are defeated or in a slump only make you look stupid, like those Patty threats, any reasonable player won't do that. That's not class!!!

tennischick
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:33 PM
yes it is. i am a fan of both women. their games are close to identical. ;)

Brooks.
Feb 26th, 2005, 11:57 PM
u know what wimbly2004 its not even worth fighting with you b/c all you see is maria (and i know you are gonna say is all i see is serena but that is not true) i can be objective about things but u just refuse to understand anything that i try to say so forget it.........when you have more than 14 posts that just consume maria maria maria i will understand where you are coming from maybe

Pureracket
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Seriously, my story is a true one. When I worked for a newspaper in S. Florida, I would see thousands of young players.

Chunchun
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:04 AM
why not :shrug:

tho i love Serena more :p

WIMBLY2004
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:06 AM
i know you are gonna say is all i see is serena but that is not true

I agree with you here, as you see venus as well, but no more.

Melly Flew Us
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:19 AM
i'm a fan of serena. i'm a fledging fan of maria. so i guess it can happen.

Sam L
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:44 AM
Of course! I'm a fan of LOUD tennis.

serenafan08
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:48 AM
Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.
Preach!

Atrixo
Feb 27th, 2005, 12:51 AM
i think the true test of character for maria will be when she experiences her first real letdown after all of this great stuff that has happened to her......when serena left and came back she never blamed other people when she struggled.......she just focused on herself and came back and won a slam less than a year after her comeback......maybe maria will show the same class......i honestly dont know?

What is with your damn obsession with how "you think" Maria treats, or thinks of Serena? Both of them have shown nothing but respect and courtesy to each other, on and off the court. Show some perspective, please! :rolleyes:

And when has Maria blamed anyone else for any of her losses? You REALLY want to see things about Maria which aren't even there. Grow up! :(

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:11 AM
What is with your damn obsession with how "you think" Maria treats, or thinks of Serena? Both of them have shown nothing but respect and courtesy to each other, on and off the court. Show some perspective, please! :rolleyes:

And when has Maria blamed anyone else for any of her losses? You REALLY want to see things about Maria which aren't even there. Grow up! :(

the YEC final was respect and courtesy..........huh?........and by the way i dont have a "damn obsession" with maria's treatment of serena.....i was just answering the thread which asked if people could be a fan of maria and serena....obviously some people can and some people can't.........this is a message board with different kinds of people and you are allowed to have your own opinions so i think it is you that needs to grow up ;)

timray
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:19 AM
that's b/c you were a "bad" boy..... ;) :angel:
Me ? bad boy? :confused:

TFan1156
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.

Well thought out, objective, and accurate post. :D

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:22 AM
What is with your damn obsession with how "you think" Maria treats, or thinks of Serena? Both of them have shown nothing but respect and courtesy to each other, on and off the court. Show some perspective, please! :rolleyes:

And when has Maria blamed anyone else for any of her losses? You REALLY want to see things about Maria which aren't even there. Grow up! :(
Get angry much? :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:23 AM
I'm a fan of Monica and Steffi :scared: , if I can accomplish that, anyone can be a fan of both Maria and Serena. :wavey:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:23 AM
the YEC final was respect and courtesy..........huh?........and by the way i dont have a "damn obsession" with maria's treatment of serena.....i was just answering the thread which asked if people could be a fan of maria and serena....obviously some people can and some people can't.........this is a message board with different kinds of people and you are allowed to have your own opinions so i think it is you that needs to grow up ;)
:worship: :worship: :worship:
There's nothing like having a new dictator on the scene. :p

TFan1156
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:25 AM
its class b/c left and right everyone was saying how serena is declining and she is in a slump and that maria is better and all this crap and did she say anything negative about all of those haters NO!.........she let her game do the talking ok......the true test of a person is when they are at their lowest point.......we have yet to see maria at her lowest point so lets just wait and find out

I think we have, when she served for the second set and match in the AO semis.... ;)

La Reine
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:32 AM
I think we have, when she served for the second set and match in the AO semis.... ;)

That's not low. Maria has yet to be disappointed or have her confidence seriously rattled. :rolleyes:

Orion
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:45 AM
I would say I am a fan equally of both. I enjoy seeing them play in finals, because they are often so evenly matched. They are two of the best on grass, are top 5ers on hardcourts, and top 10ers on clay courts. So, whenever, wherever they meet, it's going to be such a good match, and I never know who to root for. I just realize that I am happy either way. I think they will have a rivalry for the next 5 years to equal V. Williams and Davenport.

Andy.
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Why not?

I'm a big fan of Maria but I like Serena too. I like her outfits and I find her press conferences amusing.

Well said Serena is a true star and so is Masha

tennisjunky
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:53 AM
serena and maria are my two favorite players on tour. i would be lying if i said i liked them equally because with two great competitors it can get kind of tricky wanting both to do well, especially when the success of one comes at the expense of the other. first and foremost i am a serena fan, my love for maria comes only second to serena, but the gap in my mind is sizable. i did root for maria during wimbledon last year over serena, but every other time maria has played serena i have rooted for serena. this year seems like a dream come true. both ladies are kickin' ass ruling the tour. i love how they have met up at only major torunaments (tier I, 2 GS, YEC). serena and maria have tons in common and are by far the two most hated women at these boards. serena gets it far worse, but there are a lot nasty things said about both ladies. with the hate comes the wins and the best part of being a fan of both ladies, time after time both serena and maria end up geting the last word prooving everyone wrong with there great results. in an effort to help me choose whom to root for when they play one another i've decided i want serena to win all the matches in the slams and maria gets all the other wins. i feel greedy being a maria and serena fan, having the two best ladies on tour as my favorites. the rest of the tour doesn't stand a chance!

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:57 AM
i can always count on you Denise to have my back.......you rock!

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 01:58 AM
i can always count on you Denise to have my back.......you rock!
Anytime VeeRee, anytime. ;)

Black Mamba.
Feb 27th, 2005, 02:06 AM
If you really break it down these two are almost the exact same player. Sure there are differences, but they are really similar.

vogus
Feb 27th, 2005, 02:39 AM
Well? :angel:


dunno, but it's definitely possible to be a fan of NEITHER of them, especially if you're a Lena D supporter :p

Melly Flew Us
Feb 27th, 2005, 03:14 AM
dunno, but it's definitely possible to be a fan of NEITHER of them, especially if you're a Lena D supporter :p

all right then:lol:

chitchat
Feb 27th, 2005, 03:32 AM
its class b/c left and right everyone was saying how serena is declining and she is in a slump and that maria is better and all this crap and did she say anything negative about all of those haters NO!.........she let her game do the talking ok......the true test of a person is when they are at their lowest point.......we have yet to see maria at her lowest point so lets just wait and find out

uh???? I see quiet resilience, I see self confidence and tremendous strong will in what you just wrote about Serena but classiness?!! I don't really think it's the term I would use there.

anyway, I don't see Maria attitude's being so different from Serena at the same age and that crap about her needing to be down in order to show classiness is pure :bs: to me .

I agree with some previous posts who said that in the end, we tend to dislike the players who threaten our own favorites

:topic:
was there a thread about is it possible to like 1 william sister yet dislike (or being just indifferent) to the other one????

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 03:54 AM
chitchat, dont get into this with me please.........i am in an argumentative mood as it is and i dont really want to debate what the term class refers or doesnt refer to......maria is a good player and i dont feel threatened by her b/c i know serena is better.......end of story

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 04:25 AM
uh???? I see quiet resilience, I see self confidence and tremendous strong will in what you just wrote about Serena but classiness?!! I don't really think it's the term I would use there.

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Serena has a lot more class than a lot of top players on the tour. I would mention their names, but I don't want to start an outright war.

"Topaz"
Feb 27th, 2005, 05:45 AM
I think we have to be careful with the word 'fan', as it implies fanaticism, or obsessive devotion. At this very moment, after the last few clashes between those two women, I don't think anyone can be obsessively devoted to both. We either stick to the definition of 'fan' or we don't.

I think I'm a fan of Venus and Serena. When these two play a big match, I have to arrange my day for the occasion. Sleeping time, dinner, work, ... everything gets re-ordered according to the match time.

However, I love power tennis. When someone comes along with a good mastery of the techniques matched with a good delivery in both defense and offense, I am in awe. Last year, Sprem promised quite a bit and I expected a lot from her, but somehow her game collapsed. By now, Masha has shown her mantle and she's awesome. She's a delight to watch if you love power tennis as I do. And she's got a physique that leads you to believe she's gonna get better and better.

Ok, she pumps fists, grunts and so on. I believe she learnt all these behaviours from her predecessors, men or women. She didn't invent these things. Is she focussed when she plays, or is about to play, Serena? Hell yes. Who wouldn't be when facing the top challenger? That's the way it goes in all sports. I'm willing to forgive this girl just about everything she's being blamed for (which are not a heck of a lot, btw), as long as she keeps delivering pure power tennis beauty. Am I obsessively devoted to her? No. Will I rearrange my day for her big matches (not involving a Williams)? No. So I'm not a fan but I sure like her tennis.

henmanhill
Feb 27th, 2005, 05:08 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

The question was about you can be a fan of both not whether Maria and Serena can like each other! :)

I don't see why you can't be a fan of both. If you leave personalities out of it and just enjoy their tennis then what's the problem?

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 27th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Yes. I'm a fan of both. They have something that the other players on tour don't have. Another gear if they're losing. They're both very intense and both are determined to be the best in the game. What's not to like about them?

faboozadoo15
Feb 27th, 2005, 05:37 PM
u know what wimbly2004 its not even worth fighting with you b/c all you see is maria (and i know you are gonna say is all i see is serena but that is not true) i can be objective about things but u just refuse to understand anything that i try to say so forget it.........when you have more than 14 posts that just consume maria maria maria i will understand where you are coming from maybe
wow, you of all people should be slighting someone for being new. you joined this month, have only 104 posts and have wasted about 10 of them in this thread (alone) by bashing maria and making assumptions about how she feels about players, how she reacts in situations, and basically how she deals.

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 05:51 PM
i wasnt bashing him/her for being new or i didnt intend to......all i meant was that when he/she posts more i will maybe see where he/she is coming from more and understand......all wimbly was doing was repeating the same things over and over again as i was trying to explain myself and that can get a little frustrating...........and i havent been bashing maria either..........i simply said that i dont think she has been very respectful to serena in the past.......geez you people take some things way too personal......i have no beef with maria

starr
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:41 PM
(monica and serena have intensity but they never take it to a personal level)

What about the time Serena said "Fuck you." to Loit at the AO one year? Or was it "Fuck you, bitch." Or what about at RG where Serena glared and growled at Mauresmo throughtout their match? There's the regular windmilling of her arm with the the racket at coin tosses, glares across the net during nearly every match she plays. So.... this never taking it to a personal level doesn't wash with me.

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:45 PM
well starr,

serena wasnt saying f you to loit.......she was saying it to herself for playing bad so get a reality check........and i didnt see the mauresmo match so i dont know what the heck you are talking about with that one..........what the heck are we doing......lets just agree to disagree and be pals ok

Josh B.
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Im a fan of Masha, i think Serena is a good player!

I guess i can say im a fan of both!

I like Serena's play style

starr
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Whatever. :rolleyes: It was a PERFECT lob. It was a GREAT shot from Loit and she had been making that shot work for her the entire match. Seemed a bit classless to me because a lot of people would have just admitted that was a stupendous shot and acknowledged with with a clap, or a yup, instead of a "fuck you."

Serena has done everything every young teen player has done. Every bit of bad or bratty behavior -- Serena has done it. Bathroom breaks, fake illnesses, suspect retirements -- she's done it all. To her credit, she's outgrown all that behavior and put it behind her. But to say she is so much better than Maria or has always shown class is to ignore reality. To say Serena never makes it personal is bordering on the delusional.

Dominic
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:56 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

lol ridiculous :rolleyes:

Szymanowski
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Show me just ONCE in her post-match interviews or ANY interview where Maria was disrespectful to anyone, especially Serena!!:fiery: Sure, in the heat of the moment, Maria forgot to mention Serena in her post-YEC speech - something she apoligized for the next day!
Maria has always been gracious and never has a bad word for anyone. Yeah, she pumps her fists! So what! So does Serena! And she did it in most recently in the AO after errors and a double-fault by Masha, nothing wrong with that, it was an extremely exciting and passionate match! And so what if Serena had an injury in the YEC? An injured Serena is still a dangerous player and if it helps someone to pump themselves up with fist pumps, as it seems to do for Serena and Maria, then that's what they should do. Or would it be better if Maria had quietly lost to Serena, who, except for her serve, was playing extremely well in the 3rd set at the YEC,instead of rallying herself to win as she did?
Strange how some people can love things about their own favs and yet hate the very same things in their favs' rivals.
Very well said. The guy who originally posted should realise by now that Serena is noisy. She never talks about her opponants in post match press conferences, just giving an excuse for why she wasn't playing well enough to win. It's a bit like David Brent ;)

If Maria never enters Serena's mind, Serena is a fool. I am sure if Serena is often in Maria's mind, she has the correct tactics in place to feel reassured that she can beat her.

She stunned Serena (after feeling ill in the morning and thinking she couldn't play) at wimby, She struggled through to win the YEC, something she should probably have won a lot more easily considering Serena's form, although I can understand she may have been put off by having such strange serves which she would have been expected to punish.

And in Oz, she dominated and should have taken the match. She was also feeling ill from the heat.

I think you get my point. Maria's mature enough to realise what's worth worrying about, and if it does worry her, how to deal with it.

It's healthy to be nervous before a match, especially against an opponant as good as Serena.

Szymanowski
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:14 PM
What about the time Serena said "Fuck you." to Loit at the AO one year? Or was it "Fuck you, bitch." Or what about at RG where Serena glared and growled at Mauresmo throughtout their match? There's the regular windmilling of her arm with the the racket at coin tosses, glares across the net during nearly every match she plays. So.... this never taking it to a personal level doesn't wash with me.
This is ridiculous. I cannot believe Serena actually said this, I thought she was above this kind of behaviour.

It firmly deletes any sympathy I had for her from Indian Wells.
Fuck her

Dominic
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:15 PM
reefan I think you're pretty much the only person in here that doesnt see your huge bias against maria. You're basing yourself on assomptions made by yourself to judge maria. She's always very classy and is always inyense, no matter who she plays. And unlike serena, she doesnt always come up with an excuse for her losses and actually gives credit to her opponent. And I think you shouldnt have mentionned staredowns cause serena is a queen at that and she does it a lot against maria. So stop trying to invent stupid reasons to not like maria.

Szymanowski
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Sorry - I take back my last post - it was too harsh on Serena - I thought she was actually saying 'Fuck you' to Loit. But I still don't like her general on court behaviour.

volta
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:20 PM
oh please............................

NEXT :angel:

thelittlestelf
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:22 PM
This is ridiculous. I cannot believe Serena actually said this, I thought she was above this kind of behaviour.

It firmly deletes any sympathy I had for her from Indian Wells.
Fuck her
LOL! You're a fan of Greg Rudseski and you lost all sympathy and respect for Serena because she swore during a tennis match?

thelittlestelf
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Sorry - I take back my last post - it was too harsh on Serena - I thought she was actually saying 'Fuck you' to Loit. But I still don't like her general on court behaviour.

Oh nevermind then. :wavey:

Szymanowski
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:29 PM
LOL! You're a fan of Greg Rudseski and you lost all sympathy and respect for Serena because she swore during a tennis match?
hehe - i'm sorry, that was very hypocritical of me, I take it all back whoever 'fuck you' was aimed at!

I guess I'm biased against Serena 'cos I don't like her on court attitude.

I suppose Greg's no better with all his gamesmanship and going for his towel, changing racquets etc. I only really support him cos we don't have many decent british players to support;)

Though I do have sympathy for him in the match against Roddick, cos faliure to play a let on that vital point made him completely lose his cool, and I know how frustrating things like this can be - i'm not a nice person on court either I'm afraid.

Martian Jeza
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:30 PM
Nope, Impossible to be fan of players who are rivals on the court ! It's like supporting AC Milan and Juventus at the same time ...

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:47 PM
you all can attack every little i thing i say till the sun goes down...........i am of the opinion that maria can be disrespectful........so what, its my opinion deal with it..........half of this board spends everday bashing venus and serena for things that do not exist......DONT TRY TO PLAY THAT GAME WITH ME WHEN SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE THE QUEENS AND KINGS OF BASHING VENUS AND SERENA FOR NO REASON

Stamp Paid
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:53 PM
What about the time Serena said "Fuck you." to Loit at the AO one year? Or was it "Fuck you, bitch." Or what about at RG where Serena glared and growled at Mauresmo throughtout their match? There's the regular windmilling of her arm with the the racket at coin tosses, glares across the net during nearly every match she plays. So.... this never taking it to a personal level doesn't wash with me.

No genius, did you see the match Serena didnt say "Fuck you" or "Fuck you bitch" to Loit during that match. She screamed, "You fucking failure" to herself in that match.

Justeenium
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM
for me it is about commom respect and maria doesnt give serena the respect she deserves......serena is always gracious and maria is a sore winner and loser (yec final was pathetic and appauling).....maria has issues with serena-watch their matches....maria is always the most intense and loud with serena.....maybe b/c serena is the face of womens tennis and she is jealous :confused:

but anyways serena has said that maria does not even enter her mind and i am certain that maria thinks about serena everyday :devil: :tape:

this post reeks of stupidity

Justeenium
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM
:worship: :lol:
:retard:

Brooks.
Feb 27th, 2005, 07:57 PM
oh and by the way..............why do some people just give maria free pass for the yec final.......the fact of the matter is that it was appauling behavior not just be her father but by her as well

1. dropping to the ground and just sitting there is a total lack of respect when serena cant even hit serves
2. making fun of serena's service motion
3. father screaming and yelling and coming on the court
4. not mentioning serena at all (HOW DO YOU FORGET TO MENTION YOUR OPPENENT...SERENA HAD JUST SPENT THE LAST MINUTE SAYING EXTREMELY GRACEFUL THINGS TO MARIA......IT WAS ON PURPOSE POINT BLANK)

*and by the way people who mention every little thing they do for charity to the public are doing it for the wrong reasons (whats the point in bringing that up in your accpetance speech to give a car to the victims in russia other than so people will say how sweet of her).......image, exposure,etc.......the reason you dont hear about every little one of serena and venus' charity donations is b/c they are doing it b/c they want to help end of story

to be honest i really liked maria before the yec tournament.......i was so impressed with her wimbledon victory........so it tells you how strongly i feel about her behavior in that final.....im sorry that is just my opinion and i understand that other people didnt take nearly as much concern with it

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:12 PM
What about the time Serena said "Fuck you." to Loit at the AO one year? Or was it "Fuck you, bitch." Or what about at RG where Serena glared and growled at Mauresmo throughtout their match? There's the regular windmilling of her arm with the the racket at coin tosses, glares across the net during nearly every match she plays. So.... this never taking it to a personal level doesn't wash with me.
:lol: Serena was cursing herself because she was messing up, as she always does, she wasn't cursing Loit. I don't think she was personally glaring and growling at Momo, but I guess that's a matter of perspective. And the windmilling of her arm :lol: :tape: puhleeeeeeeze...do you play tennis or any sport? She loosens her arms up doing that, what's wrong with that? How can that be taken as an offense to the other player. As far as the glaring across the net, I do the same thing, but it's called concentration on which way the ball is being served and concentrating on what your play is going to be. Good God!!! :rolleyes: You people come up with some strange complaints.

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Very well said. The guy who originally posted should realise by now that Serena is noisy. She never talks about her opponants in post match press conferences, just giving an excuse for why she wasn't playing well enough to win. It's a bit like David Brent ;)

If Maria never enters Serena's mind, Serena is a fool. I am sure if Serena is often in Maria's mind, she has the correct tactics in place to feel reassured that she can beat her.

She stunned Serena (after feeling ill in the morning and thinking she couldn't play) at wimby, She struggled through to win the YEC, something she should probably have won a lot more easily considering Serena's form, although I can understand she may have been put off by having such strange serves which she would have been expected to punish.

And in Oz, she dominated and should have taken the match. She was also feeling ill from the heat.
I think you get my point. Maria's mature enough to realise what's worth worrying about, and if it does worry her, how to deal with it.

It's healthy to be nervous before a match, especially against an opponant as good as Serena.

Talk about excuses!!! :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:16 PM
This is ridiculous. I cannot believe Serena actually said this, I thought she was above this kind of behaviour.

It firmly deletes any sympathy I had for her from Indian Wells.
Fuck her
Oh, that's nice. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:18 PM
reefan I think you're pretty much the only person in here that doesnt see your huge bias against maria. You're basing yourself on assomptions made by yourself to judge maria. She's always very classy and is always inyense, no matter who she plays. And unlike serena, she doesnt always come up with an excuse for her losses and actually gives credit to her opponent. And I think you shouldnt have mentionned staredowns cause serena is a queen at that and she does it a lot against maria. So stop trying to invent stupid reasons to not like maria.
Oh please...look at the pots calling the kettles black. You come in here and complain about people bashing Maria, yet in order to defend your favorite you bash Serena. Do you think you can defend Maria without having to bash Serena?? No, I didn't think so. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Sorry - I take back my last post - it was too harsh on Serena - I thought she was actually saying 'Fuck you' to Loit. But I still don't like her general on court behaviour.
Than don't watch her. :rolleyes:

Martian Jeza
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Oh, that's nice. :rolleyes:

Very nice indeed :worship:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:22 PM
oh and by the way..............why do some people just give maria free pass for the yec final.......the fact of the matter is that it was appauling behavior not just be her father but by her as well

1. dropping to the ground and just sitting there is a total lack of respect when serena cant even hit serves
2. making fun of serena's service motion
3. father screaming and yelling and coming on the court
4. not mentioning serena at all (HOW DO YOU FORGET TO MENTION YOUR OPPENENT...SERENA HAD JUST SPENT THE LAST MINUTE SAYING EXTREMELY GRACEFUL THINGS TO MARIA......IT WAS ON PURPOSE POINT BLANK)

*and by the way people who mention every little thing they do for charity to the public are doing it for the wrong reasons (whats the point in bringing that up in your accpetance speech to give a car to the victims in russia other than so people will say how sweet of her).......image, exposure,etc.......the reason you dont hear about every little one of serena and venus' charity donations is b/c they are doing it b/c they want to help end of story

to be honest i really liked maria before the yec tournament.......i was so impressed with her wimbledon victory........so it tells you how strongly i feel about her behavior in that final.....im sorry that is just my opinion and i understand that other people didnt take nearly as much concern with it
Yes they did. It was widely complained about in Jon Wertheim's mailbag and even he complained about it and criticized Maria and her father for it. He personally sent me an email in response to my complaint about it.

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Very nice indeed :worship:
:lol: I wouldn't expect you to have any more class than that. No big surprise CFC. :rolleyes:

Martian Jeza
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:26 PM
:lol: I wouldn't expect you to have any more class than that. No big surprise CFC. :rolleyes:


I've no class and I've to get a life remember ? :eek:

Stamp Paid
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:33 PM
I've no class and I've to get a life remember ? :eek:

Denise, your words are resonating!!! :worship: :yeah:

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 08:41 PM
I've no class and I've to get a life remember ? :eek:
CFC I gave you all the troll pellets I had. Stop begging.

squash
Feb 27th, 2005, 09:13 PM
One can not be a Maria fan and a Serena fan. Serena is the greatest! Serena is gracious even when she does not win.
Maria Sharapova need to learn to be a gracious winner and loser. Her attitude stinks! Maria scearming is getting louder and louder!
The officials should do something about her screaming.
The player should start complaining about that banshee screaming.

*Karen*
Feb 27th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Its very possible to not like both Maria and Serena at the same time

Justeenium
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Denise, your words are resonating!!! :worship: :yeah:

remember when we had our first conversation Justin?

you said "say anything bad about either sister and I bust you up comprehensively"

:lol:

Justeenium
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:20 PM
One can not be a Maria fan and a Serena fan. Serena is the greatest! Serena is gracious even when she does not win.
Maria Sharapova need to learn to be a gracious winner and loser. Her attitude stinks! Maria scearming is getting louder and louder!
The officials should do something about her screaming.
The player should start complaining about that banshee screaming.

Are all Rena fans incompetent???

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Are all Rena fans incompetent???
I wouldn't be talking about incompetence with all those red dots. :rolleyes:

Diesel
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:30 PM
The question doesn't seem to be if one can be a fan of Serena and Maria at the same time. It seems can one be a fan of Serena and Maria at post with other fans of the players. That seems to be more of a no than anything.

Szymanowski
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Talk about excuses!!! :rolleyes:
hmm....

my point was that maria never brings things like this up in press conferences or anything. I was making the excuses maria never made :D

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:52 PM
hmm....

my point was that maria never brings things like this up in press conferences or anything. I was making the excuses maria never made :D
Oh okay. :rolleyes:

Justeenium
Feb 27th, 2005, 10:53 PM
I wouldn't be talking about incompetence with all those red dots.

Yes because there is a correlation between red dots and incompetence, :retard:

See, you are proving my point. Thanx

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:19 PM
Yes because there is a correlation between red dots and incompetence, :retard:

See, you are proving my point. Thanx
Well you're obviously not competent enough to compose a post that's not insulting or even relevant to the topic. So yes, there is a correlation and you've just proved my point. :tape: Thank you.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM
I think Maria and Serena's fans hate each other so much, because both of these players are each other's biggest threats on the courts. They are currently the two best players in women's tennis. But they have so many similarities if you watch them play objectively.

Both play power tennis
Both grunt VERY loud
Both fist pump opponents mistakes
Both give catty staredowns to their opponents
Both have/had outlandish fathers
Both will retire on all time great list
Both can be very arrogant
Both are the most feared on the tour
Both have intense mental concentrations
Both have transmissions and can switch gears at any time during a match


I'm a fan of Serena, and not Maria simply because Maria is tied with Williams as the best on the tour and can really stick it to her. When Serena retires I'll become a fan of maria :D

starr
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:26 PM
No genius, did you see the match Serena didnt say "Fuck you" or "Fuck you bitch" to Loit during that match. She screamed, "You fucking failure" to herself in that match.

I saw the match and perhaps Serena screamed you fucking failure to herself, but she also said fuck you after Loit's brilliant lob.

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:27 PM
I saw the match and perhaps Serena screamed you fucking failure to herself, but she also said fuck you after Loit's brilliant lob.
:rolleyes:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:30 PM
I saw the match and perhaps Serena screamed you fucking failure to herself, but she also said fuck you after Loit's brilliant lob.

If my mind serves me correct, that was 2 years ago. Get over it!

xan
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM
One can not be a Maria fan and a Serena fan. Serena is the greatest! Serena is gracious even when she does not win.
Maria Sharapova need to learn to be a gracious winner and loser. Her attitude stinks! Maria scearming is getting louder and louder!
The officials should do something about her screaming.
The player should start complaining about that banshee screaming.

Another "junior poster" living in a reality-free zone! :rolleyes:

We are talking about "I wasn't at that tournament.. I was only playing at 20%.." Serena, aren't we?

And as for screaming: Have you ever listened to the noise Serena makes?? :confused: Pots and kettles come to mind.

Denise4925
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:44 PM
Another "junior poster" living in a reality-free zone! :rolleyes:

We are talking about "I wasn't at that tournament.. I was only playing at 20%.." Serena, aren't we?

And as for screaming: Have you ever listened to the noise Serena makes?? :confused: Pots and kettles come to mind.
Another "senior poster" having a senior moment. :tape:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Another "senior poster" having a senior moment. :tape:

Good one! :lol:

thelittlestelf
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:47 PM
Yeah, this garbage about Maria being arrogant and overconfident is stupid. Why shouldn't she be confident? She's one of the biggest threats on tour and she's only 17 years old. I can't think of one interview where Maria showed any arrogance or disrespect to her opponent.

The reason I'm a fan of Serena and not Maria is not because of their fierce rivalry. After all, I'm a fan of Jen and Serena and they have a similar rivalry. I've just always found Maria robotic and boring, almost as if someone's always telling her what to say and how to say it.

Szymanowski
Feb 28th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Yeah, this garbage about Maria being arrogant and overconfident is stupid. Why shouldn't she be confident? She's one of the biggest threats on tour and she's only 17 years old. I can't think of one interview where Maria showed any arrogance or disrespect to her opponent.
Well said :worship:

The reason I'm a fan of Serena and not Maria is not because of their fierce rivalry. After all, I'm a fan of Jen and Serena and they have a similar rivalry. I've just always found Maria robotic and boring, almost as if someone's always telling her what to say and how to say it.
It's nice to see a non - fan of Mariagiving an honest + genuinely good reason for not being a fan for once :D (although I don't agree, I actually don't like Serena's playing for similar reasons to the ones you have given, and I find Maria's on court concentration far more interesting.)

tennislover
Feb 28th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Me ? bad boy? :confused:

just kidding....

Justeenium
Feb 28th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Rena fans live in a different dimension. Maybe some day I'll join you when I get tired of reality

tennisjunky
Feb 28th, 2005, 08:04 PM
serena fans have to put up with the most garbage, but it's not all that different being a maria fan. both serena, maria, and their fans have way more in common than most realize.

Stamp Paid
Feb 28th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Just wanted to show everybody my cool ass avatar!