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pav
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:13 AM
I often hear Our distinguished and sometimes dribbly dick commentators stating how the server controls the pace of Their service game. I gather there is a time limit on this,but We often see a well known Player Whose name I won't mention(Masha) controlling the Opponents serving pace as well.
This when not too blatantly carried out can really unnerve an Opponent with a short fuse,and is a very good tactic. Masha is not the only expert at this, the delightful Miss Oops Mrs, Dechy did a very good job a few weeks back, just throwing Her Opponent off Their stride.
The point of this rambling is have any or if not, why haven't any servers being treated in this manner just let strip with Their serve when They estimate the time is up?
Umpires never seem to act on this, should there be a buzzer, or at least the odd warning?

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:28 AM
Daniela lost a match that way. Anyway, the ATP boys are worse.

Dementinator
Feb 25th, 2005, 11:07 AM
It can be annoying indeed and does irratate me ,I just saw the Masha V Lena HK match and masha was constantly doing it ,but ,hey guess what , it didnt work!!
Sometimes it pays to take it steady when preparing to serve and I think thats where Elena can go wrong ,she rushes and just smacks it ,a little more time taken would help .

But yes ,the Umpire should realy be more hard on time wasters!!

RenaSlam.
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I agree, with you Dementinator.

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Daniela lost a match that way. Anyway, the ATP boys are worse.

:lol: ...yeah, thatīs cool...losing cause the umpire "converts" the opponentīs match-point, must hurt

Masha..., there are players who are definetly worse than her :o

fammmmedspin
Feb 25th, 2005, 04:51 PM
The funniest thing in ages was Conchita (yes Conchita) complaining that daniela was playing too slowly.

Conchita consistently delayed Nastya's serve in their match which raises the interesting question of why isn't the rule enforced. If you are perpetually delayed by someone fumbling around aimlessly as you are about to serve why not serve anyway. They are the ones left looking silly particularly after it becomes clear what your serving timescale normally is. If they want to raise their hand OK but. if not, serve. If they complain the umpire has to make a decision and you can't lose. If they perpetually raise their hand why not point this out ask the umpire to tell them to play at your pace - the rules would seem to be on your side?

Darop.
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Actually, while some players do it just to take rythm off their opponents, some do it because they need it.

When I play tennis matches, I find that especially when returning, I just rush a bit, I dont think, dont take my time, and I make like 2 consecutive errors or bad rallies. That's the right time to take 5 seconds more before returning, turn your back to your opponent, and take a deep breathe, I don't do it because I'm spiteful...

tennisjunky
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:49 PM
The RETURNER, not the SERVER controls the tempo!!!!
commentators are ALWAYS getting that particular rule mixed up. martina N was the only commentator I have ever heard correct someone from stating the opposite. people mistakenly think it's the server that controls the tempo but the rules of tennis actually state the opposite. there is a time limit and the person returning serve has to be ready within the specified time, but if the time rule isn't an issue the person returning serve can take as long as they want.

the official rules:
The Server shall not serve until the Receiver is ready. If the latter attempts to return the service, he shall be deemed ready. If, however, the Receiver signifies that he is not ready, he may not claim a fault because the ball does not hit the ground within the limits fixed for the service.

Natasc
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:09 PM
well, Pete Sampras once said: "I prefer a DOUBLE FAULT then give Agassi my server time"

cause Andre is a great returner!! So, who wants that he knows you service time?

I think that some players do it just to take rythm off their opponents
of course that after a rallie like was that one between Dementieva and Capriati (49 hits :eek: ) you need time.
But, some player realy do this for broke the oponent rythm

fammmmedspin
Feb 25th, 2005, 07:26 PM
The RETURNER, not the SERVER controls the tempo!!!!
commentators are ALWAYS getting that particular rule mixed up. martina N was the only commentator I have ever heard correct someone from stating the opposite. people mistakenly think it's the server that controls the tempo but the rules of tennis actually state the opposite. there is a time limit and the person returning serve has to be ready within the specified time, but if the time rule isn't an issue the person returning serve can take as long as they want.

the official rules:
The Server shall not serve until the Receiver is ready. If the latter attempts to return the service, he shall be deemed ready. If, however, the Receiver signifies that he is not ready, he may not claim a fault because the ball does not hit the ground within the limits fixed for the service.

Interesting. But if they don't "signify" that they are not ready they would be deemed to be ready? If you didn't require some "sign" how would you ever know that a player who looked ready, fumbled, looked ready, twiddled etc was ever ready? you would have to do that or any player could just stand there and claim they were not ready when they saw a serve approaching they didn't like? If the game is also meant to be played at the servers pace (they have not abolished that rule have they?) serve and at worst be given another first serve would seem a sensible policy unless there is a visible hand raised?

ceiling_fan
Feb 27th, 2005, 06:30 AM
haha yeah...rules :rolleyes:
i guess it depends on the situation and the umpire can judge whether the receiver was "ready" or not

Lemonskin.
Feb 27th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Unless the server has an unreturnable serve...