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vogus
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:10 AM
more good stuff from www.patty-schnyder.ch (http://www.patty-schnyder.ch/) (auto-translated from German):

"Men's tennis balls should really not be used in Women's tennis. Sadly the tournament in Doha saw it otherwise. The danger of the resulting injuries as well as distortions of competitive-ness are the consequences. In both the last years, Anastasia Myskina could win the tournament, but today came the loss of Myskina in the first round. Patty decided perfectly correct, that with such balls not to have long ball-rallies, because the arm-pain with these balls lead quickly to severe injuries. So a defeat is a small evil. The WTA is now being demanded, because in Doha is running a players' storm against the Dunlop-Fort Ball, which is gladly used on the ATP-Seniors Tour."

Guess who was the benficiary of Myskina's opening-match loss? :lol:

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Patty is a just sooooooo funny. :lol:

bw2082
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:37 AM
do they really have mens and womens tennis balls? I don't play. I have no idea :lol:

SelesFan70
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:56 AM
At least Patty didn't have to wear a veil while playing... :tape: I'm just wondering if the brief snippets I read about Qatar are true? The government is very strict on the women I read, and they don't like foreigners? But they can have a tennis tournament with women in short skirts and slinky tops? :shrug: Something is not right if both are true. Would the WTA sponsor a tournament in a country that has abusive human rights towards women? The irony is too much... :drool:

Darop.
Feb 25th, 2005, 05:57 AM
omfg :rolleyes:

Though it is true that sometimes when I play tournaments balls can be extremely different to what I'm used to, that's no excuse, especially when you switch from light balls to heavy balls.

Wojtek
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:06 AM
do they really have mens and womens tennis balls? I don't play. I have no idea :lol:

There are very heavy balls for example Tretorn and very light.

I think Patty is right. There should be the same balls for each surface. Next week women will play in Dubai and we will have totally diffrent balls.

Greenout
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:12 AM
more good stuff from www.patty-schnyder.ch (http://www.patty-schnyder.ch/) (auto-translated from German):

"Men's tennis balls should really not be used in Women's tennis. Sadly the tournament in Doha saw it otherwise. The danger of the resulting injuries as well as distortions of competitive-ness are the consequences. In both the last years, Anastasia Myskina could win the tournament, but today came the loss of Myskina in the first round. Patty decided perfectly correct, that with such balls not to have long ball-rallies, because the arm-pain with these balls lead quickly to severe injuries. So a defeat is a small evil. The WTA is now being demanded, because in Doha is running a players' storm against the Dunlop-Fort Ball, which is gladly used on the ATP-Seniors Tour."

Guess who was the benficiary of Myskina's opening-match loss? :lol:

OMG! :haha:

The WTA better hope, no make that pray that Patty never
breaks into the top 10 again, and gets near that Gold Exempt
player ranking!

They can barely handle Serena, JHH, Amelie
and Cappy's bitch about the format, schedule, fines, and general
management of the tennis. I can't imagine how they'll try to
censor Patty on daily tour matters. :p

Infiniti2001
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:19 AM
At least Patty didn't have to wear a veil while playing... :tape: I'm just wondering if the brief snippets I read about Qatar are true? The government is very strict on the women I read, and they don't like foreigners? But they can have a tennis tournament with women in short skirts and slinky tops? :shrug: Something is not right if both are true. Would the WTA sponsor a tournament in a country that has abusive human rights towards women? The irony is too much... :drool:

It's all about money for the WTA. :mad: If it were up to me there would be no tournaments in any country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens. :o :devil: Most of the spectators are men and foreigners-- women are only allowed if they are accompanied by a male relative -- heck they're not even allowed to play tennis UGH :fiery:

P.S. Patty rocks :lol:

Greenout
Feb 25th, 2005, 06:36 AM
It's all about money for the WTA. :mad: If it were up to me there would be no tournaments in any country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens. :o :devil: Most of the spectators are men and foreigners-- women are only allowed if they are accompanied by a male relative -- heck they're not even allowed to play tennis UGH :fiery:

P.S. Patty rocks :lol:


Actually during last year's SF and Final you could see women
and children in the crowd.



Isn't the prices of the event dirt cheap? Isn't it sort from
free- $6?

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Actually during last year's SF and Final you could see women
and children in the crowd.



Isn't the prices of the event dirt cheap? Isn't it sort from
free- $6?

of course its cheap
the Arab's dont actually do any "dirty" work themselves
but employ people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh on a pittance to do everything.

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:22 PM
more good stuff from www.patty-schnyder.ch (http://www.patty-schnyder.ch/) (auto-translated from German):

"Men's tennis balls should really not be used in Women's tennis. Sadly the tournament in Doha saw it otherwise. The danger of the resulting injuries as well as distortions of competitive-ness are the consequences. In both the last years, Anastasia Myskina could win the tournament, but today came the loss of Myskina in the first round. Patty decided perfectly correct, that with such balls not to have long ball-rallies, because the arm-pain with these balls lead quickly to severe injuries. So a defeat is a small evil. The WTA is now being demanded, because in Doha is running a players' storm against the Dunlop-Fort Ball, which is gladly used on the ATP-Seniors Tour."

Guess who was the benficiary of Myskina's opening-match loss? :lol:

WAIT!!! Nastya made it into the second round, not first!!! This is totally different! :mad:





:lol:

...and guess who complained the most about the Dunlop 2-balls?!?

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Patty: "Hey you ball! You and your other yellow friends are disgusting bitches! Don´t you dare to hurt me and my hair!"

Well, no seriously, it is quite weird that they used those Dunlop balls they also used at the ATP-tourney in January, Momo also complained about it.

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:30 PM
Patty: "Hey you ball! You and your other yellow friends are disgusting bitches! Don´t you dare to hurt me and my hair!"

Well, no seriously, it is quite weird that they used those Dunlop balls they also used at the ATP-tourney in January, Momo also complained about it.

Greenout
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:40 PM
of course its cheap
the Arab's dont actually do any "dirty" work themselves
but employ people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh on a pittance to do everything.

Yeah, I bet- it's sort's of the what they do here in Southeast Asia;but
they pay better and human life means something here in Singapore.

Maybe we're being a tad to hard on Patty. Amelie also complained
about Dunlop balls- perhaps there is a difference for players
that utilize "finesse" more than simply clubbing it.


*This might be a good question to give JHH in her "Ask Justine
Q&A section"? at her Official Website.
I'm serious, it sounds interesting.


"Dear Justine!~ :bowdown: :bowdown:
I was wondering what's your opinion on the various types of
new tennis balls that have appeared in the ATP/WTA/ITF events
by companies. These balls were created to slow the pace of serves and
the speed of modern game? Is there really a difference?
Will a slight weight in a ball promote injuries?

alexusjonesfan
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Love ya Patty :p

As for this, I hate having to defend Qatar everytime this comes up :o

It's all about money for the WTA. :mad: If it were up to me there would be no tournaments in any country where women are treated like 2nd class citizens. :o :devil: Most of the spectators are men and foreigners-- women are only allowed if they are accompanied by a male relative -- heck they're not even allowed to play tennis UGH :fiery:


Not true and no. It's not Afghanistan under the Taliban.

and
SelesFan70 At least Patty didn't have to wear a veil while playing... :tape: I'm just wondering if the brief snippets I read about Qatar are true? The government is very strict on the women I read, and they don't like foreigners? But they can have a tennis tournament with women in short skirts and slinky tops? :shrug: Something is not right if both are true. Would the WTA sponsor a tournament in a country that has abusive human rights towards women? The irony is too much... :drool:


again, no and no. Where do you read these 'brief snippets'? It's like you people just take an amalgam of the worst possible things you've ever heard about any middle eastern country and apply them equally to every state in the region. It's like people assuming that because I live in North America, I must be part of the KKK and want to kill doctors who perform abortions.

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Love ya Patty :p

As for this, I hate having to defend Qatar everytime this comes up :o



Not true and no. It's not Afghanistan under the Taliban.


Yeah...well, Qatar, north-korea, Disneyland, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, UAE...where´s the difference? All evil!

DelMonte
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:24 PM
Yeah, I bet- it's sort's of the what they do here in Southeast Asia;but
they pay better and human life means something here in Singapore.


Singapore has MASSIVE problems with the abuse of and discrimination against foreign domestic workers (who tend to be mostly women). They are paid very little by their employers, are beaten and also sexually assaulted by many of them. Add to that the way in which many maids are forced/trafficked into prostitution.

There are many national and international human rights organisations who are working on this very issue in Singapore in addition to the embassies of the countries of origins of the maids.

serenachamp
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:46 PM
Eurosport said yesterday the same over the balls in Doha. It was a very hard critic of the moderator. He said, the webpage are not working, the balls are shit and the tournament will that Sharapova win this tournament. I can understand Patty and the other players.

Doraemon
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Patty is just bitter because the disgusting bitch did so well there.

hablo
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:50 PM
I didn't know that there even different balls for men and women's tennis;) :shrug:

It's cute though, how she refers to Myskina to support her point of views!! :lol: :lol:

Snyder is a caracter alright!!! :angel:

Greenout
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Singapore has MASSIVE problems with the abuse of and discrimination against foreign domestic workers (who tend to be mostly women). They are paid very little by their employers, are beaten and also sexually assaulted by many of them. Add to that the way in which many maids are forced/trafficked into prostitution.

There are many national and international human rights organisations who are working on this very issue in Singapore in addition to the embassies of the countries of origins of the maids.

???

I'm an expat here in Singapore, and those are wide over the
top stories. If there's any place decent in Southeast Asia- it's
here in Singapore. Maids are not forced/trafficked into prostitution
here. Where did you get that ridiculous story? There's some
prosititution via the syndicates with people from Myamar or
Vietnam. This is a miniscule thing- it's such a small country
(4 million people) that you can't possibly get away with doing
alot of crap here.

The other human rights abuse cases are people who smuggled
hard narcotics like heroin and are on deathrow. This is one
of the issues that I know that people have complained about; but
they know the laws. Who's stupid enough to violate drug traffic
laws here?

Sorry, Del Monte- but if you haven't ever been to Singapore you
may believe the wild stories. It's civilized here to the point of
being mundane to some people. Don't get Indonesia, Thailand
and Malaysia mixed up with Singapore.



**P. S Back to Patty. I can't wait to see what balls they'll use
at DUBAI! Yes, Patty's in the draw next week over there. :tape:

Infiniti2001
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:18 PM
of course its cheap
the Arab's dont actually do any "dirty" work themselves
but employ people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh on a pittance to do everything.

Yes they do-- and they treat them like shit. These poor foreigners are at their mercy. Damn the WTA for not doing research before going to Doha and Dubai :fiery: Oh well-- I guess when money talks nothing else matters. :fiery:

DelMonte
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:27 PM
???

I'm an expat here in Singapore, and those are wide over the
top stories. If there's any place decent in Southeast Asia- it's
here in Singapore. Maids are not forced/trafficked into prostitution
here. Where did you get that ridiculous story? There's some
prosititution via the syndicates with people from Myamar or
Vietnam. This is a miniscule thing- it's such a small country
(4 million people) that you can't possibly get away with doing
alot of crap here.

The other human rights abuse cases are people who smuggled
hard narcotics like heroin and are on deathrow. This is one
of the issues that I know that people have complained about; but
they know the laws. Who's stupid enough to violate drug traffic
laws here?

Sorry, Del Monte- but if you haven't ever been to Singapore you
may believe the wild stories. It's civilized here to the point of
being mundane to some people. Don't get Indonesia, Thailand
and Malaysia mixed up with Singapore.



**P. S Back to Patty. I can't wait to see what balls they'll use
at DUBAI! Yes, Patty's in the draw next week over there. :tape:

I have been to Singapore numerous times. I've also visited other countries in the region since I used to live in Australia. Close proximity etc.

Also, I am a legal scholar with a specialisation in public law, international law and human rights law. So, I believe I know what I am talking about.

If you don't believe me, I suggest you visit a website of the numberous NGOs in Singapore who work to improve the situation of foreign domestic workers. You can also go to the websites of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch to read more about these 'ridiculous stories'.

thelittlestelf
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:41 PM
:haha: :haha:

mishar
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:59 PM
[QUOTE=Greenout]???

I'm an expat here in Singapore, and those are wide over the
top stories. If there's any place decent in Southeast Asia- it's
here in Singapore. Maids are not forced/trafficked into prostitution
here. Where did you get that ridiculous story? There's some
prosititution via the syndicates with people from Myamar or
Vietnam. This is a miniscule thing- it's such a small country
(4 million people) that you can't possibly get away with doing
alot of crap here.

The other human rights abuse cases are people who smuggled
hard narcotics like heroin and are on deathrow. This is one
of the issues that I know that people have complained about; but
they know the laws. Who's stupid enough to violate drug traffic
laws here?

Sorry, Del Monte- but if you haven't ever been to Singapore you
may believe the wild stories. It's civilized here to the point of
being mundane to some people. Don't get Indonesia, Thailand
and Malaysia mixed up with Singapore.


Gosh, someone responded to you who actually knows what they're talking about and showed up the utter BS you spout.

Please tell us.. how many maids have you spoken to? Because I know abou t the plight of Filipina and Sri Lankan maids in Hong Kong and Singapore and they are often treated like slaves by their employers.

Spunky83
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:09 PM
Patty is just bitter because the disgusting bitch did so well there.

Ahhh...that´s why Patty emphasizes Myskína´s loss...yeah...that "disgusting bitch" :lol:

TrixieTrader
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Patty is a complainer. Always criticizing everything. What gets me is she has no rights for such Diva like behaviour. Not that many titles and no grandslams. SHe is not even in the top 10 barely top 20.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:37 PM
ugh ....both players are playing w/the same balls....

fammmmedspin
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:39 PM
This isn't the first time players have commented about heavy weight balls this year - there were threads on it at earlier tournaments if I recall. The same point was made by other players than Patty that hitting something heavier causes injuries and you might add changing the dynamics of the game disadvantages those playing somewhere else the week before. Its not surprising that the smaller players like Patty and Nastya suffer more than the larger ones or the ones who hit topspin well clear of the net. Its also not surprising if players who have had shoulder injuries like Patty complain when they are told to play with balls designed for men which cause shoulder injuries. With all of the top 10, apart from Alicia carrying some sort of injury or just recovering from one making the balls heavier seems to be the last thing the WTA would sensibly allow.

vogus
Feb 25th, 2005, 04:20 PM
i don't like Singapore, the demagogues who run that place think that just because they have clean streets, all the corruption and thought-police censorship in their country can be glossed over.

Greenout
Feb 26th, 2005, 12:01 AM
This isn't the first time players have commented about heavy weight balls this year - there were threads on it at earlier tournaments if I recall. The same point was made by other players than Patty that hitting something heavier causes injuries and you might add changing the dynamics of the game disadvantages those playing somewhere else the week before. Its not surprising that the smaller players like Patty and Nastya suffer more than the larger ones or the ones who hit topspin well clear of the net. Its also not surprising if players who have had shoulder injuries like Patty complain when they are told to play with balls designed for men which cause shoulder injuries. With all of the top 10, apart from Alicia carrying some sort of injury or just recovering from one making the balls heavier seems to be the last thing the WTA would sensibly allow.

Right, Famm- it's been mentioned by other players too.

The WTA doesn't have to use the Dunlop balls, the ATP is sponsored
by Dunlop- so they're obligated to.

There is no official ball sponsor for the WTA- they can really
use whatever they want too.

SelesFan70
Feb 26th, 2005, 12:11 AM
Love ya Patty :p

As for this, I hate having to defend Qatar everytime this comes up :o



Not true and no. It's not Afghanistan under the Taliban.

and


again, no and no. Where do you read these 'brief snippets'? It's like you people just take an amalgam of the worst possible things you've ever heard about any middle eastern country and apply them equally to every state in the region. It's like people assuming that because I live in North America, I must be part of the KKK and want to kill doctors who perform abortions.

I just typed "Qatar" in my Yahoo! search (I don't use Google :o ) and it was some links...don't remember the links. I'm sure it's a little bit of a lot of things that one would read online...even on a message board. ;)