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dementieva's fan
Feb 23rd, 2005, 08:08 AM
Hello everyone,
All of us know that Elena Dementieva has not got until now what she deserves (no1 ranking and a Grand Slam win). Though she came very close to achieving these both last year but luck did not favor her as she lost in both the finals to players she could have easily beaten as she had beaten current no1 Davenport and no3 Mauresmo before reaching the finals of the French Open. She had also defeated Mauresmo before reaching the finals of U.S Open. However, in both tournaments she lost in the final, all I want to say is that the only reason why Elena Dementieva has not yet won a Grand Slam is that luck and conditions go against her at the wrong time. After all making it in to two Grand Slam finals in the same year is not a kidís job. In addition, her inexplicable loss against Patty at the Australian Open can also be attributed to bad luck. I want to say that if this year Elena Dementieva has a bit of luck she can easily make it to the no1 ranking and also win at least one Grand Slam. Therefore, she must get the credit and the importance that she is not getting now and the limelight should be shifted on to her form Maria Sharapova. I donít understand one thing is that why are people so crazy about Maria Sharapova? Whereas I think that Elena Dementieva is far better than her in all the departments (both looks and game). What does Maria Sharapova has that Elena Dementieva does not have. Some of you might say it is the serve. But Elena Dementieva makes up about the weak serve with the rest of her game. There fore I must say that Elena Dementieva is 100 times better than Maria Sharapova and Dementieva not Sharapova deserves to be the dream girl of tennis. Besides Elena Dementieva is sooooooooooooooooooo cute. I hope that you feel the same and there are some positive responses.

Chunchun
Feb 23rd, 2005, 08:32 AM
yeah :crying2:

in NY she is injured so she lose that damn thing :crying2: :(

Alenyaa
Feb 23rd, 2005, 12:36 PM
I don't know, Dementieva's fan. I completely agree with you apart from the limelight that should be shifted onto her. For as far as I know Elena she isn't the kind of girl that goes all enthousiastic over media-attention. And honestly I think Maria isn't either. But Maria has to deal with it anyway, whether she likes it or not.
I think Elena likes her mediastatus as it is now, where she doesn't get too much attention. Simply suits her the best, I think.

dementieva's fan
Feb 23rd, 2005, 01:58 PM
I don't know, Dementieva's fan. I completely agree with you apart from the limelight that should be shifted onto her. For as far as I know Elena she isn't the kind of girl that goes all enthousiastic over media-attention. And honestly I think Maria isn't either. But Maria has to deal with it anyway, whether she likes it or not.
I think Elena likes her mediastatus as it is now, where she doesn't get too much attention. Simply suits her the best, I think.

Alenyaa, i know what you mean that Elena does not enjoy limelight. But what i want to say is that she deserves much better treatment that she is enjoying now. Do we get to hear as much about Elena's injuries comeback matches etc. in newspapers and T.V? Whereas everything about Maria is highlighted.

elena4vrishu
Feb 23rd, 2005, 02:55 PM
Hey friend,
If u r Indian then what u expect (that Elena should be in limelight)is not possible so early.U know what India loves is just cricket :mad: (which i hate),and nothing else. Tennis has just introduced in India(due to Sania). So,we can now just hope that tennis may also flourish like cricket & the people should also come to know that tennis doesn't mean only Maria and Serena.
And what else u said is bad-luck opposes Elena from victory. I feel it true to some extent. I feel that Elena is a little less-confident and that's the biggest reason why she loses matches.
Anyways,best luck to my most favourite Elena. :angel:

Paco
Feb 23rd, 2005, 07:36 PM
Alenyaa, i know what you mean that Elena does not enjoy limelight. But what i want to say is that she deserves much better treatment that she is enjoying now. Do we get to hear as much about Elena's injuries comeback matches etc. in newspapers and T.V? Whereas everything about Maria is highlighted.

Yes, I agree with you that we dont have many information about Lena in TV and newspapers. And I don't really knoww why it happens.

dementieva's fan
Feb 24th, 2005, 02:31 AM
Yes, I agree with you that we dont have many information about Lena in TV and newspapers. And I don't really knoww why it happens.

Thanks, Paco,I think you got what i wanted to say. :)

dementieva's fan
Feb 24th, 2005, 03:57 AM
Hey friend,
If u r Indian then what u expect (that Elena should be in limelight)is not possible so early.U know what India loves is just cricket :mad: (which i hate),and nothing else. Tennis has just introduced in India(due to Sania). So,we can now just hope that tennis may also flourish like cricket & the people should also come to know that tennis doesn't mean only Maria and Serena.
And what else u said is bad-luck opposes Elena from victory. I feel it true to some extent. I feel that Elena is a little less-confident and that's the biggest reason why she loses matches.
Anyways,best luck to my most favourite Elena. :angel:

Hello elena4vrishu,
You are right, I am from India and I agree with you that Cricket is a rage here and Tennis is starting to gain popularity among the local masses with the arrival of Sania Mirza. However, itís not like Tennis is unknown. You can read the newspapers and everything about Maria Sharapova is highlighted, not only her tennis but also her other works, there are news in the newspapers (that too in the sports column) that Maria Sharapova has launched a new perfume, about her schooling, about her injuries and about her ambitions of becoming a fashion designer and even rumors of her having an affair with Mark Philippoussis (I think it was Juan Carlos Ferrero, anyways correct me if I am wrong). Never about Demetieva. The newspapers show her photographs and guys purchase her posters, I donít even think that Dementievaís posters are available. I am again repeating my question; Why Sharapova, Why not Dementieva? What does Sharapova has that Dementieva does not? Some might say it is a Grand Slam in her kitty, but Dementieva has been to two Grand Slam finals in the same year she also has earned an Olympic silver medal for her country and Dementieva is as beautiful as Sharapova perhaps even more. Even in the areas where tennis is popular, not only in India but also rest of the world itís Sharapova. If you have seen those sports shows (Sportcenter and Sportsline) in these shows too whenever there is talk about the Russian Revolution the examples given are Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Myskina and Anna Kournikova even Anna KournikovaÖÖÖ who was much lowly ranked then Dementieva. I cant understand this indifference. And I think it happens in other countries as well and you can read Pacoís message he is from another country (Though I canít make out which). All I want to say is that Dementieva is 100 times better than Sharapova and she must be treated better than she is now. I think the message is gone too long and All the best to you as well as to Dementieva and all her fans. I hope she thrashes Sharapova in a match.

Elena2005
Feb 24th, 2005, 05:39 AM
I think it's because she's 17, she's got that "barbie" look and she's half American.

@ elena4vrishu, cricket is the best thing to happen to the human race!

Prizeidiot
Feb 24th, 2005, 09:44 AM
I'd say Elena gets ENOUGH credit.

By that I mean, she's mainly known by tennis fans, or general sports fans, but not really by anyone outside of that. And really, those people's opinions are the only ones that count. She doesn't need millions of people cheering for her just because they think she's "hot". That's just a waste of time. Elena's life the life of an athelete, and those who are fans of her athletic abilities are the only ones that would matter to her. Just look at this board, Elena tends to own in regards to popularity here.

I think perhaps even on that athletic level maybe she COULD get a bit more recognition, but I don't mind. There's less pressure on her this way.

stefan_jonas
Feb 24th, 2005, 11:53 AM
I don't really think overexposure would help her tennis career anyway. Just proves what a focused athlete she really is. Going to the top too quickly may incur a harder fall.

Alenyaa
Feb 24th, 2005, 02:04 PM
@ dementieva's fan: I got your point the first time, don't worry :) And I do agree with you up to a certain point. All I was saying is that too much attention probably wouldn't suit her. I do agree with you about the fact that she is a better player than Sharapova, but also a bit more mentally fragile.

Strange, isn't it? That a 17-year old (or is she 18 already?) is mentally more certain than a 23-year old? :confused:

Paco
Feb 24th, 2005, 07:31 PM
I'd say Elena gets ENOUGH credit.

By that I mean, she's mainly known by tennis fans, or general sports fans, but not really by anyone outside of that.

I make my friends know Lena, but they don't like tennis. :)

Veritas
Feb 24th, 2005, 10:28 PM
I think Elena gets enough credit already. Many people already acknowledge the enormous talent and power she packs in her groundstroke game. They also attribute that to helping her make 2 Slam finals and win 4 titles.

It's a pity, though, that her serve seems to be more famous than her or any other aspect of her game :tape:

And despite what people say about her injuries or nerves preventing her from winning the French and US Open in 2004, I reckon Elena did more than enough (and surprised many others) by going so far in those tournaments. It's her serve that let her down. Nerves and injuries aren't really an excuse, since Elena managed to win her previous matches without showing any signs of them. Plus, she's 23 already - she should have been able to at least settle down most of her uncertainties at that age because we all know that tennis is a sport mostly for young people, especially on the women's side. I've said this many times before, but I'll say it again: Elena needs a good serve. Not an average one and certainly not a horrible one. It's the only way she'll ever win a Slam, a YEC title and achieve the coveted no.1 ranking.

miffedmax
Feb 24th, 2005, 11:58 PM
If people don't love Lena, that's their problem, not hers.

Her fans know she's the best. And she knows her fans are the best. That's all that matters.

Natasc
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:19 AM
If people don't love Lena, that's their problem, not hers.

Her fans know she's the best. And she knows her fans are the best. That's all that matters.
She realy knows?

Sometimes she looks to me like the only thing that matter in her live is 'tennis'. Like she don't know how (and what) to do with fans.

Maria and Agassi send kisses for everybody. Cool thing of them.

dementieva's fan
Feb 25th, 2005, 08:52 AM
I think Elena gets enough credit already. Many people already acknowledge the enormous talent and power she packs in her groundstroke game. They also attribute that to helping her make 2 Slam finals and win 4 titles.

It's a pity, though, that her serve seems to be more famous than her or any other aspect of her game :tape:

And despite what people say about her injuries or nerves preventing her from winning the French and US Open in 2004, I reckon Elena did more than enough (and surprised many others) by going so far in those tournaments. It's her serve that let her down. Nerves and injuries aren't really an excuse, since Elena managed to win her previous matches without showing any signs of them. Plus, she's 23 already - she should have been able to at least settle down most of her uncertainties at that age because we all know that tennis is a sport mostly for young people, especially on the women's side. I've said this many times before, but I'll say it again: Elena needs a good serve. Not an average one and certainly not a horrible one. It's the only way she'll ever win a Slam, a YEC title and achieve the coveted no.1 ranking.

I disagree with you on that part where you said that it is because of her serve that she loses. I donít think bad luck and nerves as excuses. She makes up that weak serve with her fantastic groundstrokes and forehand if it is her serve that is not allowing her to win a Grand Slam then how come she defeats opponents like Davenport and Mauresmo before reaching the finals. She had lost in both the grand slams to lesser-known women than she had beaten. I think it is just a mental block she has developed about the finals. If she just wins one final we will see a more relaxed Dementieva in the finals. (If her serve is so poor and yet she is no6 and has been no4 than what would happen if her serve was even average; she will become the Roger Federer and Michael Schumacher of the womenís tennis world)

Alenyaa
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Please do not use Dementieva and Schumacher in the same sentence... gives me the creeps :scared:
:lol:

dementieva's fan
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:27 PM
Please do not use Dementieva and Schumacher in the same sentence... gives me the creeps :scared:
:lol:

Gives you creeps. Why???

Alenyaa
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Just joking. :)
I'm a great fan of Schumi!

miffedmax
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:38 PM
Just joking. :)
I'm a great fan of Schumi!

I'm not.

miffedmax
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:41 PM
She realy knows?

Sometimes she looks to me like the only thing that matter in her live is 'tennis'. Like she don't know how (and what) to do with fans.

Maria and Agassi send kisses for everybody. Cool thing of them.

Every post I've ever read from anybody who's ask her for an autograph or otherwise encountered her says she's very nice and responsive.

I think Lena doesn't really handle big crowds well.

Andre and Maria are cool too, just different.

Paco
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:18 PM
If people don't love Lena, that's their problem, not hers.

Her fans know she's the best. And she knows her fans are the best. That's all that matters.

Yeah, you are right.

Natasc
Feb 25th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Every post I've ever read from anybody who's ask her for an autograph or otherwise encountered her says she's very nice and responsive.

I think Lena doesn't really handle big crowds well.

Andre and Maria are cool too, just different.
Dont cofuse 'polite', education with 'love'.

I realy think that she's nice, but about fan thing I can't see her like this
Maybe 'cause she's shy, I think that she still thinks weird have peoples screaming her name (if this happen)
She can be nice, but this doesn't mean that she 'enjoy' give autographs.
I think that is more for peoples that 'wanna be a star'. Like Agassi and Maria.
Maria realy wanna be a star, star with commercials, then came litle apearence in series and maybe litle movies.
IMO Maria is a Kournikova more slim and with more game.

All that IMO

Prizeidiot
Feb 26th, 2005, 05:08 AM
I'm not sure if anyone enjoys giving autographs, even if they enjoy attention...

The thing is, yes, Elena does prefer to live a peaceful life, whereby she avoids the limelight, so consequently, she doesn't go around looking for attention.

But I'm pretty sure Elena knows what to do with fans. She comes across as very nice, and very willing. I think it's not just being polite, but it's appreciation of her fans. Even though she doesn't like the attention, she is willing to acknowledge the supporters.

Paco
Feb 26th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Just joking. :)
I'm a great fan of Schumi!
To be honest I don't like Schumi.

If he is so good he should change team. It's not hard to win with the best car in the race. If he won for eg: Saubar he wold the best driver.
He should do like Rossi in MotoGP. When he won for Honda everything he changed it into Yamaha (and won again).
So Schumi - change the car.

Alenyaa
Feb 26th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Like Schumacher still has to proove he is the best driver around :rolleyes:

Ronaldo777
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:11 PM
what.shumi is da man.why should he change.he has nothing to prove to anyone.people are jealous of his talent and find a way to put him down.i'd say mcclaren is as good as ferrari anyway.remember coultard used to be great for them.now they suck.its up to the others to improve their cars

jmcfarla
Feb 26th, 2005, 09:11 PM
To be honest I don't like Schumi.

If he is so good he should change team. It's not hard to win with the best car in the race. If he won for eg: Saubar he wold the best driver.
He should do like Rossi in MotoGP. When he won for Honda everything he changed it into Yamaha (and won again).
So Schumi - change the car.

:wavey:
Paco, to be fair to Schumi, he did switch. He joined Ferrari when they were a level 2 team at best, leaving one of the best teams in F1, and helped develop Ferrari into the No.1 car. I don't think he needs to move again to show how great he is.


With regards to Lena, I think she probably doesn't get the coverage that her ranking deserves. The coverage she does get also seems to be often regarding the weakness of her serve, :fiery: rather than the fact that she is so superb in other areas. (although she does get the acknowledgement of having a great forehand)
But up until they started winning slams none of the Russians really got the credit they deserved as individuals. If Lena doesn't get the credit that Myskina & Kuznetsova get it is because she didn't win the finals. As for Maria, she is the media darling and has replaced Kournikova as the pin up girl for the WTA. She also is currently the best of the top Russians (although I don't think she is a great deal ahead of the other three, but she is the one on form and the one winning titles)

It has been said a hundred times but if she had a good serve she probably would have won one of those finals (i think nerves played a bigger part in the French). If she was able to pick up some free points in presure situations, it would give her a huge advantage playing in big matches.

I think she has a real chance at the French, where her serve is less of an issue and once she gets that first slam under her belt she will get a lot more credit for her superb allround game, rather than having the media unfairly focus on her serve.