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Alek
Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:31 PM
I was reading an article in ESTO newspaper and it said it could be the last year since a 5 year contracted has expired... :sad:

Jeleno Benesovo do you know anything?

Vamos Melissa tomorrow, play the match of your life and win the whole thing.

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 22nd, 2005, 09:00 PM
I was reading an article in ESTO newspaper and it said it could be the last year since a 5 year contracted has expired... :sad:

Jeleno Benesovo do you know anything?

Vamos Melissa tomorrow, play the match of your life and win the whole thing.

Yes it's a rumour. The oganizer of Acapulco tournament: Raúl Zurutuza, said that due the few interest of the crowd and media for the ladies tournament it "might" be cancelled next year, he said for example that there is more people watching a men's doubles match than a ladies singles match, and it could be true but IMO is because the ladies tournament is just a Tier III and the men's tournament is an IGS, the stars are in the men's draw.

But the cancellation is not yet confirmed. and probably won't be.

I see two options in order to call the attention of the crowd and media: breaking the rule of the organization paying a lot of money to top players (women) uin order to bring them to Acapulco "regardless if they loses in 1rd" like when they 'hired' Kournikova or Dementieva some years ago (who BTW at least reached semis and then the women's tournament was a complete success). The other option IMHO would be to hold WTA and ATP tournaments on different weeks or even months of the year.

If you ask me I think the tournament will continue one year more "at least".

Alek
Feb 22nd, 2005, 09:33 PM
Gracias ;)
Too bad Melissa Torres got a bad draw, since she's really popular even though people don't follow the ladies :confused:

Hopefully it will continue, but yes would be nice they would pay some money to someone to come ;).

selesfan1
Feb 23rd, 2005, 02:23 PM
I hope it doesn't get cancelled beasue it seems like a great event.

Alek
Feb 24th, 2005, 02:32 AM
From Olga de la Fuente:

Si es cierto, <mextenis hizo un contrato con la WTA por solo 3 anos y este es el ultimo.

Saludos

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 24th, 2005, 05:17 AM
From Olga de la Fuente:

Si es cierto, <mextenis hizo un contrato con la WTA por solo 3 anos y este es el ultimo.

Saludos
Los contratos se pueden renovar fácilmente si a ambas partes les interesa. Dudo en absoluto que la WTA tenga objeciones sobre continuar con el torneo de Acapulco.
Entonces todo queda en las manos de Mextenis. Ellos decidirán si continúan o no. Espero que decidan continuar con el evento de damas aunque sea en otra fecha o hasta en otra ciudad.

Chunchun
Feb 24th, 2005, 06:43 AM
Last year iveta won it :woohoo: :banana: a great time

Mathijs
Feb 24th, 2005, 02:25 PM
I don't hope Acapulco will dissapear,becuz Acapulco is a great tournament, and one of my fav. tourneys...

It'll be a big loss and a terrible shame if México loses his one and only WTA tourney :sad:

Tripp
Feb 24th, 2005, 05:26 PM
I wouldn't like this tournament to dissappear, trust me. But this may put Argentina closer to having a tournament. Let's face it, people in Mexico don't care about women's tennis and they don't have any good up-and-coming players (I'm sorry, really, but none of this girls will ever make it to the top 100, I believe you already know that).
There should be more tournaments in Latin America, it wouldn't be fair if this tournament gets cancelled.

Alek
Feb 24th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Hope Meghann wins the tournament so she comes back next year if there is tournament ;)


And about girls in top 100... Well Melissa Torres has chances to be at least top 150... if she continues working and since she has many to win this year and little to lose. Vamos Melissa :), Maria Jose Lopez less chance than Melissa... and the biggest hope on Valeria Pulido...

Anyways probably all will depend on the next months on how the ladies do :confused: maybe if they notice they continue improving they'll continue with the tournament.

As I said, hopefully Meghann will win the tournament, considering she will probably make top 20 again and they could convince her somehow to comeback next year ;)

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 24th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I wouldn't like this tournament to dissappear, trust me. But this may put Argentina closer to having a tournament. Let's face it, people in Mexico don't care about women's tennis and they don't have any good up-and-coming players (I'm sorry, really, but none of this girls will ever make it to the top 100, I believe you already know that).
There should be more tournaments in Latin America, it wouldn't be fair if this tournament gets cancelled.
seems you haven't any clue about what cares or not mexican crowd. Here Tennis is a very popular sport and women's tennis as well.
What happens is that women's tournament is overshadowed by the men's tournament.
There haven't been any attractive "stars" at the women's field last two years. That's why the crowd wasn't as interested in the women's tournament as it is in the men's tournament. It's very understandable.
When this tournament attracted "tennis stars" like Arantxa Sánchez Vicario, Amanda Coetzer, Anna Kournikova, Elena Dementieva, etc. the women's tournament was a complete success, but lately even the defending champions (Benesova) :o doesn't comes because they earn more money by just entering the tournaments in the middle east.
Bring just one or two stars to the women's field and you will see the courts full. I saw that when Kournikova and Arantxa came to Acapulco. But players like Jidkova or Salerni or Krauth aren't well known here nor in most countries of the world except for the die hard tennis fans.

I don't think is nice to desire that Acapulco tournament dissapears in order to bring them to Buenos Aires. Besides I think it's not logical nor possible in the short term. your ATP tournament was almost cancelled this year and now you want to have a WTA tournament?
I don't think Argentina economy is stable enough to handle this kind of tournaments. 1st organize better your own ATP tournament and re-built the ancient Buenos Aires Tennis Club and later think about having a WTA tournament.

Acapulco even with all that problems will be a much better option at the eyes of WTA than Buenos Aires, that's for granted.
But the organizers are losing money and this is basically a bussiness. Anyway I think the organizers can find new ways to promote the women's tournament. I mentioned a couple of them before.

Alek
Feb 24th, 2005, 08:57 PM
Do we agree that t.v. doesn't help much though? ;)
Not even one women's match in 4 days LOL... I mean, the coverage could be easily 4 hours (insted of showing a movie) and could have 1 ATP & WTA... But as I said... The Mexican ladies will have to help too... I'm sure that a good result in fed cup, and some good results will maybe help for something :)

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 24th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Do we agree that t.v. doesn't help much though? ;)
Not even one women's match in 4 days LOL... I mean, the coverage could be easily 4 hours (insted of showing a movie) and could have 1 ATP & WTA... But as I said... The Mexican ladies will have to help too... I'm sure that a good result in fed cup, and some good results will maybe help for something :)
Well if you have MVS (Multivisión) you could have seen almost all the matches played in the stadium. Their coverage starts at 5 pm and ends with the last match of the night session.
But not many ppl has Multivisión, and the free TV makes better "bussines" transmiting other kind of shows.
I wouldn't blame the TV. They are basically a "bussines" not a institution to promote some sport in particular. The organizers could sell the TV rights to some Channel with a wider coverage though.

Alek
Feb 24th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Mulitivision was great when I had it :sad: I remember they showed more tennis appart of ACAPULCO

BUT NOW..

:rolleyes:

Scotso
Feb 24th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't like this tournament to dissappear, trust me. But this may put Argentina closer to having a tournament. Let's face it, people in Mexico don't care about women's tennis and they don't have any good up-and-coming players (I'm sorry, really, but none of this girls will ever make it to the top 100, I believe you already know that).
There should be more tournaments in Latin America, it wouldn't be fair if this tournament gets cancelled.

You want Argentina to have a WTA tournament when they barely have $10k events and not even a $25k?

Tripp
Feb 24th, 2005, 11:26 PM
First of all, answering NathalieDechyFan, Argentina is a country that holds a wide tennis history, we should have more than a lousy $10K in Salta. I really don't know how we got to this.
And as for Jeleno Benosovo, apparently, tennis isn't that much popular. If you put a top 10 player on a court anywhere in the world, there's gonna be a lot of crowd in the stands.
And the Buenos Aires Lawn Tennis Club was rebuilt years ago, and is a decent tennis stadium. I'm not asking for that much, a tier V would be fine, I just don't think we deserve this.
It would be bad in any way you look at it if the Mexican Open was cancelled. Latin America would then have only one WTA tournament, Bogota, which is bound to be cancelled too, the draws being weaker every year. I'd really whish this tournament to be played every year, but it apparently won't be. Just hoping something good comes out of this.

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 24th, 2005, 11:56 PM
And as for Jeleno Benosovo, apparently, tennis isn't that much popular. If you put a top 10 player on a court anywhere in the world, there's gonna be a lot of crowd in the stands.
And the Buenos Aires Lawn Tennis Club was rebuilt years ago, and is a decent tennis stadium. I'm not asking for that much, a tier V would be fine, I just don't think we deserve this.

well, definitevely you don't know anything about tennis popularity in México, anything at all!. And seems you didn't understood why the people prefers to watch Moya or Gaudio than Krauth or Szavay. :rolleyes:

You are talking about the tradition of tennis at Argentina and you know what? Mexico has a tradition as old and as rich as Argentina. Just lately the good players for some reason (that seems has not explanation) have dissapeared.
Do you know what is the 1st latinamerican country that reached the final of Davis Cup? A: México
Did you know who was the first latino who won a GS? A: Pancho González
do you know who was the first number 1 of the world from latinamerica? Rafael Osuna "el pelón" (before the open era, that's why it isn't counted in the modern records).
The 1st latinamerican male on winning wimbledon? Rafael Osuna. the first women's reaching RG finals in doubles? mexicans as well.
etc. Raúl Ramírez was no. 1 in doubles and 4 in singles. Several mexicans won junors GS in the 80's although later they couldn't repeat that feat as pros
I could keep talking about tennis tradition of México and about many facts that surely you ignores but this is not the place, and there is just too much info. Just take a glance at the hall of fame of tennis site and look at names like: Rafael Herrera Osuna or Ricardo "Pancho" González.

and seems I am better informed than you about the condition of the Buenos Aires Lawn Tennis Club. Even the authorities of Buenos Aires asked the organizers to re model the "stadium" and to fix several security issues. I saw the list and there were like 20 security issues related with the "stadium" and its functionality. One of them a study about the security of tubular structure of the seats (gradas). and another one a study of the soil to know if it was secure to put a tubular structure on them. Besides lots of minor but not less dangerous issues. In addition the inform said that there weren't enough escape exits to evacuate rapidly the people in case of some emergency.
I know from reliable sources (Argentinean newspapers) that at least the studies on the soil and the tubular structure weren't made on time and just the minor issues were fixed. (like electrical cables who were dangerous and the lights, etc.).
Why the tournament was held after so many "security" risks were found?? I dunno the reason but I guess It has to do with $$$$ (soborno?).
But next year those studies have to be made and all the security issues fixed adequately otherwise the ATP might cancel the tournament.

Then and just then you can start thinking about having a WTA tournament. First you need the proper installations that according with the very authorities of the Federal Capital of Buenos Aires, you haven't.

Tripp
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:14 AM
The whole security thing was just caused by the general paranoia related with the tragedy that happened on December 30th. The stadium was OK.
And I never said Argentina is better than Mexico in terms of tradition. I'm just saying we should have at least one decent tournament -we don't even have a $25K, for Christ's sake-
I don't think there's much to discuss here, I don't want your tournament to be cancelled either. But it's almost a fact that it WILL get cancelled, as you have been saying it yourself.
And, by the way, Erica Krauth is not a star anywhere, you don't have to take it on her. I wouldn't want to get into discussions by saying that if you have all the money you say you have for organizing this tournament, you would've at least got a top 20 player to play here and not have Penetta and Shaughnessy as the first 2 seeded players.

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:22 AM
The whole security thing was just caused by the general paranoia related with the tragedy that happened on December 30th. The stadium was OK.
And I never said Argentina is better than Mexico in terms of tradition. I'm just saying we should have at least one decent tournament -we don't even have a $25K, for Christ's sake-
I don't think there's much to discuss here, I don't want your tournament to be cancelled either. But it's almost a fact that it WILL get cancelled, as you have been saying it yourself.
And, by the way, Erica Krauth is not a star anywhere, you don't have to take it on her. I wouldn't want to get into discussions by saying that if you have all the money you say you have for organizing this tournament, you would've at least got a top 20 player to play here and not have Penetta and Shaughnessy as the first 2 seeded players.
you said you wanted that WTA moves Acapulco tournament to Buenos Aires, If to wish that is not to wish that Acapulco tournament dissapears then I dunno what language u speaks.
I never said that is a FACT that the WTA tournament will dissapear, I said that the organizers (Mextenis) are thinking about that possibility, but none decision has been taken yet. And I think and I hope, that Mextenis will sign another contract with WTA.

The security risks weren't just "paranoia". A study on the tubular structure of any "stadium" has to be made YES OR YES. Same about the study about the soil. It HAS to be made. The escape exists HAS to be built. In other countries a place without enough escapes exists might be considered a rat trap and none major event would be allowed to be held there.
Is not only paranoia, Is "reality". Argentina has not the proper installations to held a tournament that big. You have to construct one first or to re-built the old one. The bribes won't work forever.

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:29 AM
And, by the way, Erica Krauth is not a star anywhere, you don't have to take it on her. I wouldn't want to get into discussions by saying that if you have all the money you say you have for organizing this tournament, you would've at least got a top 20 player to play here and not have Penetta and Shaughnessy as the first 2 seeded players.
again you are showing your complete lack of knowledge about the true facts. Money is not the problem, the problem to bring top tens (BTW a Tier III can't have more than 2 top ten if I am not wrong) is the policy of the organizers that doesn't wants to pay extra money to any player just to show her beautiful ass in Acapulco. Although maybe that will be the only solution to call the atention of the crowd to the women's tournament.
The organizers and mainly their sponsors has enough money to buy the entire ATP and WTA tours if they wanted to buy them. the owner of "Telcel" is Carlos Slim, the richest man of latinamerica and one of the 20 richest of the world.

the reason is not monetary at all but the policy as I said above. The policy might change or not according with what the sponsors says and what Mextenis thinks is the best option for them.

Tripp
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:31 AM
I've been to the Buenos Aires Lawn Tennis Club. It's not the safest place in the world, but it's definitely not a rat trap.
Let's just hope for the organizers not to cancel this tournament, then, and please end up this argument.

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:35 AM
I've been to the Buenos Aires Lawn Tennis Club. It's not the safest place in the world, but it's definitely not a rat trap.
Let's just hope for the organizers not to cancel this tournament, then, and please end up this argument.
it's not considered a rat-trap I know, not in Argentina and perhaps not in most 3rd world countries. But I can't imagine any installations at Sweden or Japan having that kind of security issues. For that reason I said "In other countries might be considered..."

FanDeJen
Feb 25th, 2005, 12:46 AM
I think the doubles exhibition that Mexico had in 2000 was super cool. We had Dokic, Pierce, Martinez, Kournikova, Huber, Schett, and It attracted many fans ... I´m sure they could came up with some good ideas to keep this tournament alive. Unfourtunately Zurutuza has been a lil bit cheap with the Women´s.. u know they invested a lot of money when the Men´s tournament wasn´t that popular. They brought Haas and Guga and they were losing in the first round ..please!
Slim and Burillo could afford it, if they wanted..

Jeleno Benesovo
Feb 25th, 2005, 01:09 AM
I think the doubles exhibition that Mexico had in 2000 was super cool. We had Dokic, Pierce, Martinez, Kournikova, Huber, Schett, and It attracted many fans ... I´m sure they could came up with some good ideas to keep this tournament alive. Unfourtunately Zurutuza has been a lil bit cheap with the Women´s.. u know they invested a lot of money when the Men´s tournament wasn´t that popular. They brought Haas and Guga and they were losing in the first round ..please!
Slim and Burillo could afford it, if they wanted..
yes they could afford it. Burillo, Slim, Salinas Pliego are grossly rich. But the question is... do they want to do it?
Perhaps they are happy just with the ATP tournament. Although if they hires Sharapova or one of the williamses the WTA tournament would be a complete success. The other solutions (that I already mentioned above) is to move the date of women's tournament one week later or before the men's tournament expecting the crowd will be more interested or even to move the tournament to another city IN México. what about Cancún or Puerto Vallarta? Los Cabos? Mazatlán?
Another option (that won't be possible in the very short term) is that some girl finally could break into the top 100. But that will take some years, the best prospects seems are the "Abdala sisters". Both of them seems to have lots of potential to be "at least" top 100 but they are still very young. We have to wait and see.
some great prospects ends being just that: prospects. remember when Eduardo Vélez reached wimbledon juniors finals back to back in 1985-86, losing the final of 1985 vs Leo Lavalle and later winning the tiltle in 1986 defeating Javier Sánchez Vicario.
Then everybody said (in México and outside México) that Vélez would be a top ten without any doubts. But that just didn't happen. Vélez never was as good being a pro as he was as junior.

Alek
Feb 25th, 2005, 02:24 AM
You really think the Abdala sisters will make top 100? Even though my queen Angelica Gavaldon is their coach ;) I really don't expect them to be top 100... I mean their results in the Mexican ITF's have been very poor and even 15 year old Mexicans like Ana Paula de la Peña reached at least QF's... but well, if they can I would be happy with it ;)

If I have to choose a next top 100 then I would bet on Valeria Pulido, 15 years old and lot of time to progress, even though I don't like there is so many pressure on her already...

At least the doubles is going better than singles and we have 4 players in the first 350. Hopefully this year they'll continue improving and their singles will improve at the same time :devil:

I think that if they would move the tournament then it would be better, After Miami, I don't know, just to put it in the clay season but well. Hopefully it won't be cancelled and we'll know more news soon. :) :D

Scotso
Feb 25th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Melissa Torres will spearhead the Mexican tennis revolution! VAMOS! :bounce: