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tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 03:53 AM
OK I am going to try and post my first Frankie Durr pictures that I scanned today - just bought the scanner today. So here goes...

There is one here with one of her favourite doubles partners - Betty Stove. Together they won the French and US Open Doubles as well as numerous other titles worldwide. They became one of the great pairs in the 70s, along with King-Casals and Court-Wade.

Check out that incredible backhand of Frankie's and look at how low down she squats to deliver it! Amazing. And such a limp wrist! LOL. Can you imagine her facing a booming serve from Venus with that sort of grip - she would break her wrist surely. Don't you just love her style.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durr1.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 04:36 AM
Gotta love that camp dress! :p

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durr2a.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 04:57 AM
Some more Durr backhands, including a marvellously camp volley at Roland Garros when she was playing la belle Goolagong. Plus a forehand volley with the famous frypan grip.

Also a pic of the infamous Virginia Slims logo.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durrbackhand1.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 04:59 AM
Fantastic !!!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durrforehand.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 05:48 AM
Here you go - some pics including Frankie's dog "Topspin" carrying her rackets onto court! Plus some others of her including some more funn fashion and collecting the Wimbledon Mixed Doubles trophy with Tony Roche in 1976.

Even if no one looks at these pics, at least I have a shrine for Frankie on the internet. :) :eek:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durrdoga.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 06:04 AM
Here are two great pics. In the right hand pic Frankie is wearing a very cutting edge Tinling outfit - this would have been in the early-mid 70s.

As the caption says " Franciose Durr looks good enough to smoke in her Teddy Tinling outfit "

On the left hand side is a brilliant pic of her unorthodox forehand. Look at that leg. :eek: :bounce: :eek:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durrslimsoutfita.jpg

tennisvideos
Mar 27th, 2002, 06:10 AM
Here are a couple of Wimbledon pics I took about a dozen years ago (or had taken). The first one is when I met Frankie for the first time and she is signing and autograph a picture for me after one of her veteran's matches. The next one is a pic of Gail Chanfreau, Lesley Turner (Bowrey) and Betty Stove who I got to meet through Frankie. We were all sitting there cheering on Frankie in one of her matches. Frankie's husband was on my other side so he's not in this pic although I do have some of him as well. Betty & Gail were very friendly, Lesley was a little reserved which was what I was expecting....

The final pic is of Betty and Rosie - we were having lunch in the players lounge thanks to Frankie giving me her 'last 8' tix at Wimbledon which give you access to the players lounge.

Just thought I would share a small part of the Durr photo library with any of you who were interested in one of the most unorthodox players to have ever played the game.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/durrwimbledon1.jpg

Brian Stewart
Mar 27th, 2002, 07:23 PM
Great pics, Tennisvideos! How far up do they go? Into the 80's?

I'm interested in Maria Bueno pics. She was one of the more "colorful" players of her day. :)

tennisvideos
Mar 28th, 2002, 01:41 AM
Hi Brian

Yeah, I have heaps of pics from every era. Many are from old magazines (I have 1000s of mags from the 50s onwards) and from the hundreds of books in my library. Just call me a tennis junkie. LOL.

I have some beauties of the legendary Maria Bueno so I will post some of them over the Easter break for you. I even have two pics of myself with Maria at Wimbledon but I will spare you from those! :eek:

Martian KC
Mar 28th, 2002, 09:24 AM
Hey tennisvideos, thanks for introduing me to her! I am really relating to her. Can you give me more info on her like, family background and how well she did on the tour?:)

tennisvideos
Mar 28th, 2002, 11:11 PM
Hi KC

Love to share some information about her. She was born in 1942 Algiers. She won the French Open singles in 1967 beating Maria Bueno in the Quarters and Lesley Turner in the Final. She won 26 Singles titles in alll and she was ranked Number 3 in the world in 1967. She was in the top 10 between 1965 abd 1976. She was voted one of Tennis Magazine's most outstanding 20 players between 1965 - 1985. Was #2 in Prizemoney in 1971 - only behind Billie-Jean King. During this year she beat the newly crowned Wimbledon and French Champion (Goolagong) in straight sets to win the Canadian Open.

She won 60 Doubles titles including 11 Grand Slam Doubles titles. This included winning 5 french Open Doubles in succession! And with 3 different partners! She was runner up in 6 Wimbledon Womens Doubles Finals (several in 3 sets to King-Casals). She won the 1976 Wimbledon Mixed Final with Tony Roche - her only Wimbledon title. She made the Wimbledon Singles Semis in 1970, losing to King, and was a quarter finalist many times at Wimbledon, and a Semi Finalist at the French on several occasions, losing to Evert and Goolagong in two of them.

Frankie had many wins over all the top players - except Evert. She never beat Chris, although she had many wins over King, Goolagong, Wade, Court, Bueno etc. In 1976, when she was 34 and nearing the end of her career she scored a stunning 6-1 6-1 victory over Martina Navratilova in the Semis if the Colgate Inaugural tournament, losing to Evert in the Final.

She was the captain of the French Fed Cup team for many years and until recently was the director of French Womens Tennis, part of the great resurgence in French tennis.

Personally, she is very funny and a sweet lady. I met her in the early 90s and have been friends ever since. I have even played with her during the Aussie Open on a practise court. She actually hits harder than she looked on TV - and I play high level mens comp in Sydney so I can guage her pace. She had her first and only child at the age of 46!!!! INCREDIBLE!!!!

She now lives outside of Paris and is still married to Boyd Browning. They used to live in Phoenix, Arizona USA and they might consider moving back to the states one day but they are still in France. She comes to the Aussie Open most years and I usually catch up and usually have dinner and see a movie.

That's about it for now. If you want to know any more about her just let me know. :)

Martian KC
Mar 29th, 2002, 02:36 AM
It seems she has been very successful! Glad to hear that!:D Thank you so much, tennisvideos!:kiss:

tennisvideos
Dec 23rd, 2002, 11:40 AM
I just thought I would give this thread a bump so more people might be able to share some of the marvellous Francoise Durr story and pictures. Check out the one wear she is wearing shorts and long coloured "football" type socks up to her knees! She beat Serena to this fashion statement by about 30 years !!! Gotta love her!

Frankie has been nominated for induction into the Hall of Fame this coming year, so it's appropriate to give her thread a rebirthing. I am saying a prayer that she is finally voted in, we have nominated her 3 times previously and she is still to be voted in! She is up against Nancy Richey in the Masters division, and I am hoping they are both voted in as they both deserve it.

Go Nancy & Frankie :)

way
Dec 23rd, 2002, 11:52 AM
More, please.
Also greats, i don't have that many pics of 80s legends.

tennisvideos
Dec 23rd, 2002, 12:00 PM
Hello Way

I will have to get our scanner connected again. There are so many great pics of the past players but I need the scanner first. And then sometimes when i scan them the file size is too large to post them here! I have some beautiful pics of Ginny and Maria for example but everytime I tried to post them it said "file to large". Not sure how to fix that problem....

Craig :)

macn
Dec 23rd, 2002, 01:21 PM
Great thread, Keep em coming!

ColinB
Dec 23rd, 2002, 09:18 PM
Hey Craig - Great picsd... God Betty Stove hasn't changed one little bit.... Interesting to see that both Durr and Richey have been dominated this year - does only one of them get in? I would certainly fancy Richey's chances as she had a pretty good Grand Slam record with 2 slam wins and a few finals...

Look forward to meeting up in Sydney soon
colin

tennisvideos
Aug 13th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Now that I finally know how to load pictures into the posts I thought I would update this thread and add just one or two more pics.

I love this stunning pick which captures the Durr backhand at it's best:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FRANKIE.jpg

And here is another one that one of you guys sent me a short time ago:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/f_durr_1979.jpg

Santorofan
Aug 14th, 2005, 03:58 AM
TennisVideos: I love this thread and am amazed I've never actually seen it before; thanks for bumping it.... What wonderful photography indeed! Personally, I really dig some of her slightly off-kilter, amusing quotes. Without the unorthodox amongst us, how dreary and tedious this life might be! Should you or anyone ever assemble a website for this great player, I would hope they'd include her wicked spin of an ace past Kristen Kemmer Shaw during World Team Tennis*...too funny!

*Likely available on chrisevert.net/

tennisvideos
Aug 14th, 2005, 04:22 AM
TennisVideos: I love this thread and am amazed I've never actually seen it before; thanks for bumping it.... What wonderful photography indeed! Personally, I really dig some of her slightly off-kilter, amusing quotes. Without the unorthodox amongst us, how dreary and tedious this life might be! Should you or anyone ever assemble a website for this great player, I would hope they'd include her wicked spin of an ace past Kristen Kemmer Shaw during World Team Tennis*...too funny!

*Likely available on chrisevert.net/

Yes, I love the unorthodox as well ... have always gravitated to them for some strange reason. Beverly Baker-Fleitz is another that astonished me with her 2 forehands and not a backhand in site. I actually have about 12 minutes of her in the Wimbledon Final when she lost to Brough and she was amazing.

Yes, that ace over Kemmer is funny! i have another classic on video that I actually filmed myself in the Vets doubles at Wimbledon. She aced Rosie and Rosie screams out something in horror like "that's hideous" and got the crowd laughing. The funny thing was that Frankie just walked up for her next service as though it wasn't nothing out of the ordinary - and yet it was probably her first ace in 20 years! :eek:

alfajeffster
Aug 14th, 2005, 02:03 PM
The only Frankie pic I have scanned (so far):
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/Frankieinthought.jpg

daze11
Aug 14th, 2005, 03:11 PM
:eek: wow, you know, she's really quite beautiful, in addition to unorthodox! i have seen her in a few brief instances on tape but unfortunately not with such a command of style and grace as is seen in these photos! thanks for sharing them TV!

alfajeffster
Aug 14th, 2005, 03:40 PM
:eek: wow, you know, she's really quite beautiful, in addition to unorthodox! i have seen her in a few brief instances on tape but unfortunately not with such a command of style and grace as is seen in these photos! thanks for sharing them TV!

Alfa (aka scanning fool) on the warpath:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH.jpg

daze11
Aug 14th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Alfa (aka scanning fool) on the warpath:
my god, i have created a monster with these in-frame pix!! (and samn, of course) ;) :lol: :kiss:

alfajeffster
Aug 14th, 2005, 03:53 PM
my god, i have created a monster with these in-frame pix!! (and samn, of course) ;) :lol: :kiss:

:devil: No turning back now. I've only just begun to dust off the shelves. I only wish I could borrow some of those old WorldTennis magazines I sent to Andy last year (or at least convince him to scan and share some of those gems)- tons of photos you can't find any more, and since the magazine is defunct (and they still owe me a year's subscription)- no copyright infringements to deal with!

daze11
Aug 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM
no copyright infringements to deal with!ah, HEAVEN! ;) :angel:

tennisvideos
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:23 AM
Alfa (aka scanning fool) on the warpath:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH.jpg

Thanks Alfa!!! This is one of my all time favourite Durr pics. You can just see the beauty and balance in this backhand and Frankie looks fantastic! The best haircut she ever sported ... although I also loved her in ponytail and ribbon! And check out those legs!

I must get hold of a scanner and post some more pics as well. I have some more classics of Durr and of course I have 1000s of those old World Tennis magazines as well from the 50s, 60s and 70s. Such a treasure trove as you have suggested Alfa. :bounce: :)

tennisvideos
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:26 AM
:eek: wow, you know, she's really quite beautiful, in addition to unorthodox! i have seen her in a few brief instances on tape but unfortunately not with such a command of style and grace as is seen in these photos! thanks for sharing them TV!

Hi Daze

You know, I think she's beautiful too, in an unusual way.

And yes, very feminine and graceful. Guess I also love the feminine ones a lot too - like Goolagong, Evert & Durr :drool: :) :hearts: . Are you the same in that regards - I mean did you have a preference for the feminine women players?

tennisvideos
Aug 15th, 2005, 01:20 PM
Frankie back in the 60s with her sunglasses on :cool:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieFace.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 15th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Two of my favourite girls: Durr & Richey! Both inducted together :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/DurrRichey.jpg

Chrissie-fan
Aug 15th, 2005, 01:29 PM
I love the pictures and all the info. Thanks. :smoke:

Two of my favourite girls: Durr & Richey! Both inducted together :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/DurrRichey.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 16th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Frankie hits a double handed backhand in one of these pics!!!! But this is no ordinary double handed backhand - check out how loose and camp she holds the racket! :eek: I love it !!! :bounce:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/Durr_Unorthodox.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 16th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Another classique .... with a write up from the magazine.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/Durr_Backhand2.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 16th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Perhaps the most beautiful Durr photo I have ... I think she looks great here :)

And what a follow through after a backhand!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrancoiseDurr.jpg

daze11
Aug 16th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Hi Daze

You know, I think she's beautiful too, in an unusual way. Of course I have a number of pics where she looks shocking, esp during the period that she was coming back from hepatitis. One of my friends calls her Scurvy Durr! :eek:

And yes, very feminine and graceful. Guess I also love the feminine ones a lot too - like Goolagong, Evert & Durr :drool: :) :hearts: . Are you the same in that regards - I mean did you have a preference for the feminine women players?
hi TV,

y. e. s.

i spend my whole life thinking out of the box, but when it comes to chicks, i am the first one constructing the box. i like girlie girls who revel in their pink satin ribbons...while also being forceful and confident...whether on or off court. i dated a lesbian once...and even she was ridiculously feminine. but man, what a right hook! :eek: :lol:

daze11
Aug 16th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Perhaps the most beautiful Durr photo I have ... I think she looks great here :)

And what a follow through after a backhand!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrancoiseDurr.jpgyeow!!!! :hearts: :lick:

HanaFanGA
Aug 16th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Wow! Frankie's strokes are very unorthodox indeed. But that's okay. Variety is the spice of life! I especially loved the picture of her in the Tinling outfit that included shorts. I've never seen her play. But I bet she was fun to watch. Good stuff! ;)

tennisvideos
Aug 17th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Wow! Frankie's strokes are very unorthodox indeed. But that's okay. Variety is the spice of life! I especially loved the picture of her in the Tinling outfit that included shorts. I've never seen her play. But I bet she was fun to watch. Good stuff! ;)

Hi HanaFan! Yes, Frankie was fun to watch coz she also had a bit of temper and she used to swear in French and hit herself with her racket, stomp her feet, hands on hips and all that.

Here's another pic to keep the thread going - Durr in full flight at the net as she hits a backhand volley!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/Durr_Volley.jpg

alfajeffster
Aug 17th, 2005, 11:40 AM
"Frankie's one of the best doubles players in the world. Playing with her is like being on a Saturday morning children's show. I love to watch her hitting crazy winners with her mongrel set of strokes. For a low backhand, her bottom nearly touches the ground. When I serve I always get the biggest kick out of watching her protract the acutest angles with her frying pan grip. If things go wrong too often she reverts to swearing with such a strong Gallic accent that it is barely understandable. "Noooo... You idyot... watch za bawll!" as she clouts the top of her head with her racquet. Then she sees me laughing and her fury evaporates into a seraphic smile."- VIRGINIA WADE

tennisvideos
Aug 17th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Here's a photo of Frankie's backhand that I took myself while watching her and Betty in the Legends at Wimbledon in the 90s. It really shows off the soup ladle style to perfection:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/Durr_Backhand_Craig.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 17th, 2005, 11:53 AM
"Frankie's one of the best doubles players in the world. Playing with her is like being on a Saturday morning children's show. I love to watch her hitting crazy winners with her mongrel set of strokes. For a low backhand, her bottom nearly touches the ground. When I serve I always get the biggest kick out of watching her protract the acutest angles with her frying pan grip. If things go wrong too often she reverts to swearing with such a strong Gallic accent that it is barely understandable. "Noooo... You idyot... watch za bawll!" as she clouts the top of her head with her racquet. Then she sees me laughing and her fury evaporates into a seraphic smile."- VIRGINIA WADE

Love that quote Alfa! :lol:

Frankie told me that out of all her doubles partners that she found Ginny the hardest to get to know and be close with. She said she really kept to herself and didn't give much away. Plus Durr & Wade had a pretty intense singles rivalry so there was no love lost on the court between them. You can see this when you watch the video of the 73 Wimbledon singles clash when Ginny beats Frankie 7-5 in the 3rd set in a memorable clash.

tennisvideos
Aug 17th, 2005, 03:00 PM
I posted this one in the "Pics of You" thread but it probably also belongs here as it features Frankie and her twin (me) at her place in Wimbledon Village about 12 years back (yes, when I had hair) :sad:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraig2.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 17th, 2005, 03:03 PM
And a very happy Frankie Durr after winning her 2nd USO Doubles title - this time with one of her favourite doubles partners, Betty Stove :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/DurrStoveUSO.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 19th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Here's a pic that I took of Frankie, her husband Boyd, and Gail Chanfreau at their place in Wimbledon village some years back. They are in the kitchen preparing dinner - I had a video of Frankie's Wimbledon Mixed Doubles victory in 1976 with me and they hadn't seen it before. So after dinner we sat back and watched the match much to their glee. Boyd was the most excited as he just adores Frankie so much - and he gave a running commentary throughout the match - always complimenting Frankie. How sweet. :hearts:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieBoydGail.jpg

tennisvideos
Aug 22nd, 2005, 03:26 PM
Fantastic action pic of the Durr backhand in all it's glory!!!!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/Durr_Backhand.jpg

Gallofa
Sep 18th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Not a picture of her on court, but a picture nevertheless ;)

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2388_gallery.JPG

Francoise Durr honoured with Fed Cup Award of Excellence Paris, FRA, 18 Sep 2005 - The International Tennis Hall of Fame and the International Tennis Federation have announced that Françoise “Frankie” Dürr (http://www.fedcup.com/teams/player.asp?player=20003484) is the recipient of the 2005 Fed Cup Award of Excellence. Presentation of the Fed Cup Award of Excellence was made today Sunday, September 18, during the Fed Cup Final in Paris, France. Presenting the award were ITF President Francesco Ricci Bitti and Christian Bîmes, President of the French Tennis Federation.

“Françoise Dürr has been an important part of France’s tennis history,” stated ITF President Francesco Ricci Bitti. “Following the footsteps of the great Suzanne Lenglen, Françoise was the mainstay for women’s tennis in France and became one of France’s great tennis champions. It is our great pleasure to honour Françoise with the Fed Cup Award of Excellence this year and to celebrate the great French women in our sport today.”

The Fed Cup Award of Excellence was inaugurated by the International Tennis Hall of Fame and the International Tennis Federation in 2001. The Fed Cup Award of Excellence is presented to a person who represents the ideals and spirit of the Fed Cup competition. The recipient must be a member of a past or present Fed Cup team, and must be from the country/region where the final is being held.

Born December 25, 1942 in Algiers, Algeria, Françoise “Frankie” Germaine Dürr was the world’s No. 3 ranked player in 1967. She captured 12 major titles, including the 1967 French Singles Championships - the last French woman to win the coveted French singles trophy until 2000, when Mary Pierce ended the 33-year drought. Dürr also captured 11 doubles championships, including five consecutive French Doubles Championships (1967-71). She also captured the U.S. Doubles Championships in 1969 and 1972, and four mixed doubles championships (French 1968, 1971, 1973; Wimbledon 1976).

With all-court quickness and strategic shot making, her titles were won using unorthodox grips and strokes yielding pinpoint accuracy. Dürr was ranked in the Top 10 nine times between 1965 and 1976.

In Fed Cup action, Dürr was an integral member of France’s Fed Cup teams for ten years (1963-67, 1971-72, 1977-79), and Captain in 1996. She played in 27 ties with an overall win-loss record of 31-17 (16-8 in singles, 15-9 in doubles).

In 1988 Dürr was a recipient of the WTA Honorary Membership Award and in 1993 she was appointed the first Director of Women’s Tennis for the French Tennis Federation. In 2003 she was inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island.

Past recipients of the Fed Cup Award of Excellence are Spain’s Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Conchita Martinez in 2001; Great Britain’s Virginia Wade in 2002; Larisa Savchenko-Neiland of Latvia in 2003; and Olga Morozova of Russia in 2004.
http://www.fedcup.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=10753

tennisvideos
Sep 19th, 2005, 04:04 AM
Thanks Galoffa! :)

I had only just received an email from her husband yesterday telling me about the award ... but he didn't include the pic so that is much appreciated!

Glad to see Frankie is still very active in French Tennis. Boyd tells me she has a permanent role with the FTF again which is great news as she was in limbo for a time after Noah took over as Fed Cup captain.

Rollo
Sep 19th, 2005, 11:36 PM
Tennis Videos-do you know the name and birthdate Frankie's child? I want to add that info into her bio on the career thread.

Thanks

tennisvideos
Sep 20th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Tennis Videos-do you know the name and birthdate Frankie's child? I want to add that info into her bio on the career thread.

Thanks

I will ask Boyd what her birth date is - her name is Jessica. Will get back to you soon! :)

tennisvideos
Sep 20th, 2005, 10:14 AM
Tennis Videos-do you know the name and birthdate Frankie's child? I want to add that info into her bio on the career thread.

Thanks

Hi Rollo

I got an email back from Boyd within 30 minutes - how's that for speed! Here are the details:

Jessica was born
on Sept 6,1985 and is now a Junior at ASU in Temep,AZ (I am not sure what that is Rollo)

She worked last summer for the WTA at Roland Garros & Wimbledon. Nicholas, was born on March 17,1980 and is our first child. He is Boyd's grandson and they adopted him.

Hope this helps. Boyd is very happy that you are putting together a dossier on Frankie and I told him I would send him the link when it's pretty much done so they can check it out. Cheers. Craig :)

samn
Sep 20th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Jessica was born
on Sept 6,1985 and is now a Junior at ASU in Temep,AZ (I am not sure what that is Rollo)



ASU: Arizona State University in Tempe, Arizona (AZ is the postal abbreviation for Arizona).

alfajeffster
Nov 5th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Found another pic of Frankie to share (sorry about the grain):


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH2.jpg

Mark43
Nov 5th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Thanks for all the pics, alfa.
but, seriously, we gotta all chip in and buy you a new scanner!

alfajeffster
Nov 6th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Thanks for all the pics, alfa.
but, seriously, we gotta all chip in and buy you a new scanner!

A new one?:lol: It's one of those monstrosity Lanier copiers with a scanner built in that is designed to scan paperwork with type on it. It works well on magazine and book photos, but the ones that are already on copy paper- well, they scan like this one did. I don't really think it's the scanner at all- just the resolution from the copied image I'm trying to scan.

Mark43
Nov 6th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Oh, so you are scanning images that have been photocopied - not scanning directly from a magazine or other high res photograph. That explains it. Still some great photos there. Thanks.

alfajeffster
Nov 7th, 2005, 11:56 AM
Oh, so you are scanning images that have been photocopied - not scanning directly from a magazine or other high res photograph. That explains it. Still some great photos there. Thanks.

Yes, many of them are photocopies. About 15 years ago, when I first came back home from California, I started collecting autographs of the great players of the past. I was surprised at how many players responded to my sticking a 3x5 card and a SASE in the mail, addressed to the International Tennis Hall of Fame, with a written note asking that they forward to the player. I ended up putting together a collage of "Twenty Great Women of Tennis", and back then had to use a photocopier to capture pics from a whole host of library books, which, needless to say, had to be returned. With the level of dis-interest in the history of women's tennis in my home town, I may as well have kept and maintained the books myself, and left little cards on the shelf at the library to "call Jeff" on the rare occasion someone showed interest.:lol:

trivfun
Jul 12th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Yes, many of them are photocopies. About 15 years ago, when I first came back home from California, I started collecting autographs of the great players of the past. I was surprised at how many players responded to my sticking a 3x5 card and a SASE in the mail, addressed to the International Tennis Hall of Fame, with a written note asking that they forward to the player. I ended up putting together a collage of "Twenty Great Women of Tennis", and back then had to use a photocopier to capture pics from a whole host of library books, which, needless to say, had to be returned. With the level of dis-interest in the history of women's tennis in my home town, I may as well have kept and maintained the books myself, and left little cards on the shelf at the library to "call Jeff" on the rare occasion someone showed interest.:lol:


I was wondering if you have a color photo of Darlene Hard and Francois Durr after they won the 1969 US Open doubles. Probably the greatest victory in both of their careers.

Rollo
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:06 AM
Delicious Durr delivers dangerous daffy dropshots designed to dazzle.

What can I say-It's been along night!

http://www.club.fft.fr/tennis.vals.ardeche/images/Francoise_Durr_small1.jpg

Durr at Aix-les Bains 1960s

http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/photos/TennisImage2293.jpg

In her prime c. 1967

DurrSon
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:43 AM
I love these pics!!!

Thank you everyone who has posted a picture of Françoise.

Know I have plenty of material to create a Myspace page for her :devil:

No, my screen name isn't a lie.
I'm the adopted one...

Cheers!

Nicholas B.

tennisvideos
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:41 AM
I love these pics!!!

Thank you everyone who has posted a picture of Françoise.

Know I have plenty of material to create a Myspace page for her :devil:

No, my screen name isn't a lie.
I'm the adopted one...

Cheers!

Nicholas B.

Welcome Nicholas Browning! Glad you could make it to these message boards. I wonder if Frankie would ever post a message to her many fans in here sometime? I met you when you were a little boy and Frankie & Boyd had me over for dinner when she was staying in the Wimbledon village. Say hello to them - I have given them all the videos of her tennis matches from Wimbledon etc. Tell them I have new videos of her when you see her.

So are you living in USA or France now and how about Jessica? Do you play tennis yourself? Anything like your mum?

If Frankie is wondering who was on the tennis message boards, say Craig from Sydney and a bunch of other tennis fans who love the 60s & 70s era. :)

tennisvideos
Nov 24th, 2006, 01:59 AM
A recent pic with Frankie .. taken when we were out at dinner during the Aussie Open a few years back. The delightful Pam Whytcross is on the right. :)

I've got heaps more pics of Frankie so I will try and post some more over the next few weeks so Nicholas will have more for his page.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigPam.jpg

Mark43
Nov 24th, 2006, 03:50 AM
Great dimples, Craig...and it ain't just the three Thanksgiving dirty martini's talkin'.

: )

tennisvideos
Mar 8th, 2007, 02:13 AM
Well I got some good news off Boyd just recently, he and Frankie are coming back to the Aussie Open in 2008. I have been in touch with Judy Dalton (Tegart) so we are going to try and organise a dinner which will be nice.

Of course I would LOVE a Mixed Doubles match with those gals but I don't think Judy will be able to get on court as she's always so busy during the Open. Anyway, it will be nice to catch up with them all as I haven't seen them in a few years and I didn't make it to the Open this year.

Rollo
May 8th, 2008, 10:18 PM
If you click on the link below you will find a clip from a Francoise from 1968. Included are points from her 1967 French win, thoughts on Billie Jean, and her practicing--the backhand looks fierce in the close ups!

Sit back and enjoy the fabulous Francoise with her sexy accent..

http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/RG_07_INA.html


Also featured--the 1996 Graf-Sanchez final and a couple of points from the Evert-Mastoff semi in 1974.

tennisvideos
May 9th, 2008, 07:44 AM
Thanks Rollo :)

I have watched that video a few times and love it, esp the rallies she and Lesley Turner were having in the French Final. What a stylist our girl was :)

Jem
May 10th, 2008, 02:13 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I just watched this Durr video. There are times when the young Durr very much favors Monica Seles in the face.

Double Fault
May 18th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Thank you tennisvideos (and everyone else) for all the wonderful photos and anecdotes.

Frankie seems like a very sweet lady. :)

DurrSon
Jun 1st, 2008, 12:51 PM
Thanks Rollo for the video link.

Here is another one from after the final. (http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&id_notice=CAF95050317)

This one is funny because the man was there to interview my mom, but she didn't show up at first, and he was having trouble with the cameras...
And me oh my... That beehive hairdo.

Anyways.
To answer a year old question... I don't play tennis at all, and Jessica played for fun, but neither one of us had the drive to play like our mom did.
Jessica lives in San Francisco, and I in Madrid Spain.

Now I need some help.
I am working on a drawing of my mom as a present, but I'm not sure which picture to use. I know I want a black and white one of her playing tennis, but there is just so many I'm not sure which one to use.

Is there one that could be considered a great representation of Françoise Durr in action?

Cheers,
Nicholas B.

tennisvideos
Jun 2nd, 2008, 09:43 AM
Thanks Rollo for the video link.

Here is another one from after the final. (http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&id_notice=CAF95050317)

This one is funny because the man was there to interview my mom, but she didn't show up at first, and he was having trouble with the cameras...
And me oh my... That beehive hairdo.

Anyways.
To answer a year old question... I don't play tennis at all, and Jessica played for fun, but neither one of us had the drive to play like our mom did.
Jessica lives in San Francisco, and I in Madrid Spain.

Now I need some help.
I am working on a drawing of my mom as a present, but I'm not sure which picture to use. I know I want a black and white one of her playing tennis, but there is just so many I'm not sure which one to use.

Is there one that could be considered a great representation of Françoise Durr in action?

Cheers,
Nicholas B.

Hi Nicholas.

I love this stunning pick which captures the Durr backhand at it's best - this is one of my favourite action pics of Frankie ever. If I had to pic one pic this would be it. :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FRANKIE.jpg

Please say hi to Frankie and Boyd for me. I hope to visit them in France one of these days.

Cheers

Craig :)

Jem
Nov 14th, 2008, 04:36 AM
OK, tennisvideos, I'm reviving your favorite topic -- the unorthodox Francoise Durr. Lots of pictures here, which are great, but not much discussion about her game itself. I'm curious to hear thoughts on why she was such a tough cookie. Admittedly, I saw very little of Durr in action after I started following tennis in 1971. It was usually just a snippet here and there. I've had the opportunity recently to see some doubles actions and bits of a singles match here and there. Unorthodox is putting it mildly to describe her game. Here's my take on what made her tough -- from what I've observed.

First, her groundstrokes were harder than you might have expected, especially with those grips. Sure, she hit some loopers from time to time and floaters that begged to be put away. But she could generate suprising power -- with what looked to be a T-2000 steel racket. Couple this with some whacky spins that her unorthodox strokes produced and you can understand how she would have driven folks crazy.

Second, she was remarkably consistent -- at least from what I've seen of her game. Given that she won the French, that's probably not suprising. She didn't make tons of errors and she had good court sense and point construction. She also was able to change direction fairly well, turning a crosscourt rally into an unexpected down the line. Mainly though, she managed to get lots of balls back and make impropable gets, which leads me to ...

Third, she moved pretty doggone well around the court. Up and back and side to side, she covered the court -- if not gracefully at least thoroughly. It was hard to get a ball past her. She doesn't look speedy, but I'm guessing she had a keen sense of anticipation.

Fourth, and finally, her powerpuff serve was remarkably consistent. She rarely gave anything away on serve. As I've watched her, I could not help thinking about today's game, where 10-12 doublefaults -- even when the players are just trying to steer it in -- aren't uncommon. Durr typically hit a well-placed -- if soft -- first and second serve.

Watching her, it's amazing to think she won a grand slam, and yet, she was a top player for her time. As late as 1976 -- when she was well into her 30s -- she took Martina Navratilova to 7-5 in the third at Wimbledon and then routed Martina 6-1, 6-1 at the big Colgate tournament toward the end of that year. Of course, Martina was a mess in 1976, but still, it's a pretty decent result. Also, as noted in this thread, she beat all the top players of her day -- Court, King, etc. -- with the exception of Chris Evert. I would really love to see her first match with Chris, at Evert's coming out party at the 1971 U.S. Open. Durr won the first set, before Chris came back for the win. I couldn't help but wonder what the matchup would have been like. I don't think she ever came close to winning another set off Chris -- except for a tie-breaker first set in Atlanta one year.

Thoughts?

tennisvideos
Nov 14th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Well Jem I think you just about summed it all up pretty well yourself! Frankie was very consistent, she was quite fast around the court and drove opponents crazy because they couldn't easily read where she was going to hit the ball etc. So she often caught them off balance eg. I have seen her playing Wade and Turnbull in singles and the amount of times she sidelined them and hit lob winners was quite something to watch. That is another shot that drove the players of her day crazy - the lob. So many S&V players suffered with Frankie's incredible ability with the lob, she was deadly accurate with it and also with most of her groundies. So I think Frankie had more success against the S&V players than against those who played a similar game to herself eg. Evert, Richey etc. I also think one of the greatest factors in her success was the fact that she was such a smart player - she used every inch of the court and I only think that Evert had a better lob.

Another great shot Frankie had was this wonderful dipping return that would land very low or even near the feet of the incoming S&V player - if you watch her in doubles she does it time and again, setting up her partner for easy put away volleys on many occasions.

And as you say, Frankie was very consistent so players had to work hard to put her away, i am sure she frustrated many many players.

When I hit with her (she must have been close to 60) she surprised me with the pace on her shots, although of course she was hitting with a large framed racket. Still, I was shocked by her pace. So she could give the ball a good whack, although her game was gentle and feminine in nature compared to most of the girls on tour. When I hit with her I had someone video it and I also videod her grips up very close while Frankie performed her strokes in slow motion for the camera. It still surprises me that she could play at the elite level with those grips.

Billie-Jean King once remarked that had Frankie been coached properly she could have been the greatest player in the game, such was her incredible tennis brain. But I for one am thrilled that she was never coached in an orthodox manner for her game has excited me more than any other player in history. I just love all her crazy shots - the powder puff serve, the frypan volleys and the soup ladle style for producing that bizzare backhand.

So there is my take on the legend of Francoise Durr. Glad you showed an interest in her ... I still get excited when I think about her game. :)

trivfun
Nov 15th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Billie-Jean King once remarked that had Frankie been coached properly she could have been the greatest player in the game, such was her incredible tennis brain. But I for one am thrilled that she was never coached in an orthodox manner for her game has excited me more than any other player in history. I just love all her crazy shots - the powder puff serve, the frypan volleys and the soup ladle style for producing that bizzare backhand.

So there is my take on the legend of Francoise Durr. Glad you showed an interest in her ... I still get excited when I think about her game. :)

One of the reasons that I don't like sports at times because of too much coaching. With Francoise, her element of surprise to the serve and volleyers was her strength and quickness. Unfortunately, against the base-liners, this was exposed. As a financial philosopher said, expose their weakness, they will utilize or cover it up. But expose, their strength, they have nothing to hide.

I think coaching would have made her a Bollettieri or Hopman head case. No one asks a poker player if they need coaching. I think she needed a shot of arrogance against the baseliners. I thought she gave too much respect to Chris and Nancy.

Sumarokov-Elston
Nov 16th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Well Jem I think you just about summed it all up pretty well yourself! Frankie was very consistent, she was quite fast around the court and drove opponents crazy because they couldn't easily read where she was going to hit the ball etc. So she often caught them off balance eg. I have seen her playing Wade and Turnbull in singles and the amount of times she sidelined them and hit lob winners was quite something to watch. That is another shot that drove the players of her day crazy - the lob. So many S&V players suffered with Frankie's incredible ability with the lob, she was deadly accurate with it and also with most of her groundies. So I think Frankie had more success against the S&V players than against those who played a similar game to herself eg. Evert, Richey etc. I also think one of the greatest factors in her success was the fact that she was such a smart player - she used every inch of the court and I only think that Evert had a better lob.

Another great shot Frankie had was this wonderful dipping return that would land very low or even near the feet of the incoming S&V player - if you watch her in doubles she does it time and again, setting up her partner for easy put away volleys on many occasions.

And as you say, Frankie was very consistent so players had to work hard to put her away, i am sure she frustrated many many players.

When I hit with her (she must have been close to 60) she surprised me with the pace on her shots, although of course she was hitting with a large framed racket. Still, I was shocked by her pace. So she could give the ball a good whack, although her game was gentle and feminine in nature compared to most of the girls on tour. When I hit with her I had someone video it and I also videod her grips up very close while Frankie performed her strokes in slow motion for the camera. It still surprises me that she could play at the elite level with those grips.

Billie-Jean King once remarked that had Frankie been coached properly she could have been the greatest player in the game, such was her incredible tennis brain. But I for one am thrilled that she was never coached in an orthodox manner for her game has excited me more than any other player in history. I just love all her crazy shots - the powder puff serve, the frypan volleys and the soup ladle style for producing that bizzare backhand.

So there is my take on the legend of Francoise Durr. Glad you showed an interest in her ... I still get excited when I think about her game. :)

Interesting, a lot of what you write reminds me of what people wrote about another redoubtable Frenchwoman, the legendary Suzanne Lenglen. I know Frankie was not Lenglen, but the deadly accuracy, the deceptiveness and, of course, the inimitable personality...

Like in the men's game, although Connors was always my favourite, I always had a soft spot for the sheer flair and panache of Henri Leconte. :worship:

thrust
May 27th, 2010, 12:56 AM
I just thought I would give this thread a bump so more people might be able to share some of the marvellous Francoise Durr story and pictures. Check out the one wear she is wearing shorts and long coloured "football" type socks up to her knees! She beat Serena to this fashion statement by about 30 years !!! Gotta love her!

Frankie has been nominated for induction into the Hall of Fame this coming year, so it's appropriate to give her thread a rebirthing. I am saying a prayer that she is finally voted in, we have nominated her 3 times previously and she is still to be voted in! She is up against Nancy Richey in the Masters division, and I am hoping they are both voted in as they both deserve it.

Go Nancy & Frankie :)

Considering some of the players in the HOF, certainly Nancy and Frankie deserve to be there too.

iainmac
May 27th, 2010, 05:47 AM
Considering some of the players in the HOF, certainly Nancy and Frankie deserve to be there too.

Have to thank Craig for the bump here. What a remarkable and interesting woman Frankie is and someone who resonates personality in a way that very few women players do nowadays. Her whole persona and game are so unique and individualistic. And yes I would say that for sure both Frankie and Nancy should be in there. Nancy must be regarded as the more accomplished singles player but the HOF is not just about singles, and when you look at the career that Frankie had in singles and doubles her place there is unquestioned. It will be so interesting to see her there, I love the museum at Newport.I will definitely be back again to see the new inductees details!!!!!

tennisvideos
May 27th, 2010, 09:42 AM
Have to thank Craig for the bump here. What a remarkable and interesting woman Frankie is and someone who resonates personality in a way that very few women players do nowadays. Her whole persona and game are so unique and individualistic. And yes I would say that for sure both Frankie and Nancy should be in there. Nancy must be regarded as the more accomplished singles player but the HOF is not just about singles, and when you look at the career that Frankie had in singles and doubles her place there is unquestioned. It will be so interesting to see her there, I love the museum at Newport.I will definitely be back again to see the new inductees details!!!!!

Hi Iainmac. isn't Frankie something!

I have some good news for those who didn't already know. After a few years of submissions to the IHOF in Newport, we managed to get Frankie inducted into the Hall of Fame. This was a few years back and I was lucky enough to get video footage of the induction. So Frankie is already in which of course she deserves for her wonderful career of singles, doubles and mixed as well as her contributions to the French Tennis Federation and as captain of the French Fed Cup team etc.

iainmac
May 27th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Hi Iainmac. isn't Frankie something!

I have some good news for those who didn't already know. After a few years of submissions to the IHOF in Newport, we managed to get Frankie inducted into the Hall of Fame. This was a few years back and I was lucky enough to get video footage of the induction. So Frankie is already in which of course she deserves for her wonderful career of singles, doubles and mixed as well as her contributions to the French Tennis Federation and as captain of the French Fed Cup team etc.

Oops:eek::eek:I cant say I remember a lot about Frankie in Newport, although I have to say it does tend to focus a lot on the American players which is understandable. After all their artefacts and possessions would be easier to acquire than from say a European player. And yes it is so deserved, I think she and Lenglen the only French women although something tells me I may have seen Simone Matheiu mentioned as well there???And what a great thing she won the French in 67. really her crowning glory.:worship:

Zummi
Jun 4th, 2010, 03:38 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here or not, but here is a pic of Françoise with Mary Pierce and Nathalie Tauziat at the ITF Champion's Dinner on Tuesday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/zummi/taupiedur.jpg

You can find a larger picture on the Roland Garros website: http://www.rolandgarros.com/fr_FR/news/photos/2010-06-02/201006021275464732607.html?glryid=2010-06-02/20100602

iainmac
Jun 4th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here or not, but here is a pic of Françoise with Mary Pierce and Nathalie Tauziat at the ITF Champion's Dinner on Tuesday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/zummi/taupiedur.jpg

You can find a larger picture on the Roland Garros website: http://www.rolandgarros.com/fr_FR/news/photos/2010-06-02/201006021275464732607.html?glryid=2010-06-02/20100602

What a great picture of three legends of the French womens game. I must say Frankie is not looking so much older than the other two despite the age difference. Craig:wavey:will be happy.:worship:

tennisvideos
Jun 4th, 2010, 11:52 PM
Oh she still looks beautiful! Thanks for the pic Zummi - I hadn't seen it before. :)

iainmac
Jun 5th, 2010, 01:22 PM
Oh she still looks beautiful! Thanks for the pic Zummi - I hadn't seen it before. :)

Craig:wavey:You are so devoted to Frankie, that is so cute my fella.:kiss::hearts:

tennisvideos
Jun 5th, 2010, 03:48 PM
Craig:wavey:You are so devoted to Frankie, that is so cute my fella.:kiss::hearts:

Well, let's just say that I love Goolagong, Evert, Wade, Court, Bueno, Richey, Turner, Seles, Austin, and even King (amongst others).

But I just ADORE everything about Frankie. And Lenglen for that matter.

iainmac
Jun 5th, 2010, 05:14 PM
Well, let's just say that I love Goolagong, Evert, Wade, Court, Bueno, Richey, Turner, Seles, Austin, and even King (amongst others).

But I just ADORE everything about Frankie. And Lenglen for that matter.

Craig:wavey:I have to say that I have great admiration for your taste, and yes French tennis has had some amazing legends if you look at the likes of Lenglen and Durr, and I would add Pierce and Maursemo to that as well. And I have to say Craig that the more I see of Turner, the more I admire her. What a player and a great all court stroke producer. And liking Austin of course makes me fonder than ever of you.:wavey:

tennisvideos
Jun 5th, 2010, 06:04 PM
Craig:wavey:I have to say that I have great admiration for your taste, and yes French tennis has had some amazing legends if you look at the likes of Lenglen and Durr, and I would add Pierce and Maursemo to that as well. And I have to say Craig that the more I see of Turner, the more I admire her. What a player and a great all court stroke producer. And liking Austin of course makes me fonder than ever of you.:wavey:

Yes I was so excited when Austin hit the tour. Another little Miss Evert. I loved them both. I guess my game was built on similar foundations to those two really, although I added the Durr backhand later after I built up enough strength in my finger to play it effectively.

Turner really was a wonderful baseliner and one of the great clay courters. I finally have a full set of her on clay and really she had beautiful clean groundstrokes - a little like Maureen Connolly to be honest. Of course we know she almost took out Bueno at Wimbledon in the 64 Semis when Bueno won the title, so that showed how good she could be at her best on grass. Although to be honest I think the grasscourters of that era were so good that the baseliners really had little chance at Wimbledon, Aussie and USO - I mean they had to contend with 3 astonishing all court players in Court, Bueno and King all at the same time. Thankfully they had the French to shine and it was great that Turner, Jones, Durr and Richey all had a chance to really shine and take a beloved Slam (or two in some cases).

Seems like we have similar tastes in our players which is nice to know :)

iainmac
Jun 5th, 2010, 06:57 PM
Yes I was so excited when Austin hit the tour. Another little Miss Evert. I loved them both. I guess my game was built on similar foundations to those two really, although I added the Durr backhand later after I built up enough strength in my finger to play it effectively.

Turner really was a wonderful baseliner and one of the great clay courters. I finally have a full set of her on clay and really she had beautiful clean groundstrokes - a little like Maureen Connolly to be honest. Of course we know she almost took out Bueno at Wimbledon in the 64 Semis when Bueno won the title, so that showed how good she could be at her best on grass. Although to be honest I think the grasscourters of that era were so good that the baseliners really had little chance at Wimbledon, Aussie and USO - I mean they had to contend with 3 astonishing all court players in Court, Bueno and King all at the same time. Thankfully they had the French to shine and it was great that Turner, Jones, Durr and Richey all had a chance to really shine and take a beloved Slam (or two in some cases).

Seems like we have similar tastes in our players which is nice to know :)

Oh Craig:wavey:we definitely do have similar tastes in players and I was only 7 when Austin appeared but I do love her style and tenacity from an early age. And I have to say that you are one of the few people who make the very valid point about how disadvantaged the great baseline players of earlier eras were by the number of GS titles played on grass. For Turner of course we have to say she was great all court, I am sure if she hadnt married and been less focussed on clay she would have won Wimbledon or the US. That match with Bueno in 64 is fantastic and I do wonder if her career would have been even greater if she had reached the final in 64, nind you I am not convinced she would have challenged Court??

tennisvideos
Jun 5th, 2010, 10:32 PM
Oh Craig:wavey:we definitely do have similar tastes in players and I was only 7 when Austin appeared but I do love her style and tenacity from an early age. And I have to say that you are one of the few people who make the very valid point about how disadvantaged the great baseline players of earlier eras were by the number of GS titles played on grass. For Turner of course we have to say she was great all court, I am sure if she hadnt married and been less focussed on clay she would have won Wimbledon or the US. That match with Bueno in 64 is fantastic and I do wonder if her career would have been even greater if she had reached the final in 64, nind you I am not convinced she would have challenged Court??

Yes something happened to Lesley mid 60s which did cause her to lose focus and stop playing for a time. Was it just marriage? I am not sure. Some people have mentioned she went into a depression. I did question her on this when I spent a day sitting with her at the Aussie Open a few years back but I cannot remember exactly what she said. But she did come back and make the French final again although she never reached the heights she had previously reached. I mean two times FO champion and then losing another final to Court after holding a match point is pretty impressive. I don't think she would have been a match for Margaret on grass but then again, finals have a funny way of playing out. Just look at today's FO Final where Schiavone turned the tables on Stosur after losing to her comfortably the last 4 times!

But tennis is a funny sport. I mean back in the day it was the baseliners who were badly disadvantaged all year long and yet now there are very few all court players due to the fact that the grass court season is so short and technology has dampened their effectiveness against the powerful baseline machines it has now helped to create. So the game is completely different now.

Still, it's still tennis and it's obvious we are still highly passionate about our beloved sport and that's a great thing. And thankfully we have lots of interesting people here to chat with and share our memories and also our thoughts about today's game and beyond. :)

iainmac
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:33 AM
Yes something happened to Lesley mid 60s which did cause her to lose focus and stop playing for a time. Was it just marriage? I am not sure. Some people have mentioned she went into a depression. I did question her on this when I spent a day sitting with her at the Aussie Open a few years back but I cannot remember exactly what she said. But she did come back and make the French final again although she never reached the heights she had previously reached. I mean two times FO champion and then losing another final to Court after holding a match point is pretty impressive. I don't think she would have been a match for Margaret on grass but then again, finals have a funny way of playing out. Just look at today's FO Final where Schiavone turned the tables on Stosur after losing to her comfortably the last 4 times!

But tennis is a funny sport. I mean back in the day it was the baseliners who were badly disadvantaged all year long and yet now there are very few all court players due to the fact that the grass court season is so short and technology has dampened their effectiveness against the powerful baseline machines it has now helped to create. So the game is completely different now.

Still, it's still tennis and it's obvious we are still highly passionate about our beloved sport and that's a great thing. And thankfully we have lots of interesting people here to chat with and share our memories and also our thoughts about today's game and beyond. :)

Interesting re Turner and for sure if she was suffering from mental illness it would certainly explain the dip from her top 4 type level of play. And do you know something Craig:wavey:this French Open has been so refreshing for the womens game IMO. Not only an amazing champion and runner up, but real personalities, great all court games etc. I found myself more interested in yesterdays final than any in years. And yes we do criticise the modern game sometimes but it is still the sport we love. I know that these complaints can be cyclical. Look at some of the post war reports in newspapers. After the Marble revolution, a lot of experts were bemoaning the lack of baseline specialists.

tennisvideos
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:32 AM
Interesting re Turner and for sure if she was suffering from mental illness it would certainly explain the dip from her top 4 type level of play. And do you know something Craig:wavey:this French Open has been so refreshing for the womens game IMO. Not only an amazing champion and runner up, but real personalities, great all court games etc. I found myself more interested in yesterdays final than any in years. And yes we do criticise the modern game sometimes but it is still the sport we love. I know that these complaints can be cyclical. Look at some of the post war reports in newspapers. After the Marble revolution, a lot of experts were bemoaning the lack of baseline specialists.

Yes I agree with you on this French. I have been fascinated by it. And great to see some different styles of play making it through along with Francesca's great personality.

iainmac
Jun 6th, 2010, 01:04 PM
Yes I agree with you on this French. I have been fascinated by it. And great to see some different styles of play making it through along with Francesca's great personality.

Craig:wavey:The other thing was that there was genuine world interest in the final and that is a great testimony to how refreshing people found the finalists. On paper it shouldnt have attracted the coverage it has.:)

trivfun
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:31 AM
http://rsfiswmn.mlblogs.com/dustin-pedroia-ap2.jpg
She reminds of this fellow. American baseball player, Dustin Pedroia. He is about her height 5'5 and can hit the ball at any location. He gets his strength from his elbow to his fingers just like Francoise.

As the old saying goes, you don't play to the top of your head, you play to the top of your hand.

tennisvideos
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:34 AM
Just adding the recent WTA interview with Frankie in case it is pulled from the internet one day. Thanks to Ryan for posting this.

n Her Own Words: Francoise Durr
JANUARY 07, 2011 AVERAGE RATING: 5 STARS
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Although she wasn't one of the Original Nine - she couldn't be in Houston because she was playing her Nationals in France - Algeria-born Francoise Durr was one of the original pros: In 1968 she joined Billie Jean King, Rosie Casals and Ann Jones in George McCall's National Tennis League, alongside the men. But, like her colleagues, she was aggrieved by the increasing marginalization of the women's game by the establishment around this time. So when the inaugural Virginia Slims Series circuit kicked off in San Francisco in January, 1971, the unorthodox 'Frankie' was there with bells on.

"The first Virginia Slims tournament in 1971, the BMC Invitation, was run by Larry King, Billie Jean's husband, and Jerry Diamond, who would later become CEO of the WTA but worked for a British car company at the time. The event went very well. Most of the players stayed with local families to save money... and to ensure we had some supporters. I remember one night, my doubles partner Judy Dalton and I stopped off at a diner on our way back to the place we were staying. It was 1am and we looked at one another, not knowing whether to order dinner or an early breakfast!

"Having California girls like Rosie and Billie Jean certainly helped bring people along to see the matches that week, but in the beginning of the circuit it was hard to get people to come to watch us. We had always played the tournaments with the men, who got all the attention. Bill Cutler and Ellen Merlo, executives from Philip Morris, traveled with us. They knew little about tennis, but were great marketing people, which was the key to our getting off to such a great start.

"We started our new venture with 16 players and nobody to replace one of us if anyone was sick. I remember one time in Akron, Ohio, Billie Jean and I stood in front of the Kmart and gave tickets away for the matches that night. People did not know women's tennis, but if we could get them in one time, they would usually come back. Most of the club players liked to see the women play because they could relate to playing like us!

"We certainly played in some challenging environments in those early days. One time we played in a gymnasium in Long Beach, and it was so short and low we could not go back too far, as you would hit the back wall with your racquet. If you lobbed, you would hit the ceiling. So your best bet was to rush to the net. Another time, in Oklahoma, I was very surprised at dinner to see my host greeting guests carrying brown bags with bottles of wine inside. It was a 'dry' state. Such a shock for a French person!

"In 1972, I was based in New York and bought an Airedale, Topspin. She traveled all over America with me. At that time we did not have people traveling with the players and it could get very lonely. She was happy to see me when I won or when I lost. The only toy she had was my racquets, and that's how she came to carry my racquets on the court when I was playing doubles. She was the first pet in the dressing room, but I had to put a headband on her saying "please do not feed me", because the players always wanted to give her cookies!

"Since we were professionals, I thought we should present ourselves very nicely on the court, and thanks to Ted Tinling, who designed different dresses for the players, we were able to do that. Once, playing on the centre court of Wimbledon, I took off my sweater after the warm-up and there was a big silence in the stadium. Teddy had made me a halter backless dress - shocking, my dear! When I played my 100th Virginia Slims tournament in Detroit in 1978, he designed a dress with 100 VS all around… you don't see things like that today, though fortunately the dresses are coming back.

"My big strength was my physical conditioning and tenacity - and with my funny grip, a lot of people could not read me well. It came about because I had started to play without a coach and practiced against my garage door or the wall at the club - the young people could not go on the court. When I finally did have a coach and a court to play on, it was too late to change my grip, even though it meant I would practically kneel or even sit on the court to hit some shots! But I used my index finger on my left hand on a lot of things. When my daughter started to play, she used her index on the racquet.

"Of course I told her this was a big no no!

"The best match I played was against Chris Evert, but funnily enough I lost it. It was the final of the Colgate Championships in 1976 in Palms Springs. She was the hardest to beat - she was playing like me… but a lot better. I really do think the game is stronger now, but all the same, I would like to see more variety such as short cross court balls, drop shots and normal volleys. Players like Justine Henin and Francesca Schiavone are too rare, but I also like to watch Kim Clijsters, and of course Federer and Nadal.

"Billie Jean played 25 tournaments that first year, and became the first female athlete to win $100,000 (I finished second on the prize money list). Two years later we created the WTA in a London hotel, and women's tennis has never been the same. Being a part of this was the most fun I ever had… and I got paid for it. We really had came a long way, baby. Vive le tennis!"

Frankie's Career Highlights:
Won French Open singles in 1967, also won seven doubles majors and four in mixed…altogether won 26 singles titles and 42 doubles titles…ranked in world's Top 10 nine times between 1965 and 1976, peaking at No.3 …played last official match at Roland Garros in 1984…later served as captain of French Fed Cup Team… inducted into International Tennis Hall of Fame in 2003.

Rollo
Jan 10th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Thanks for posting this TV.

I found this interesting...


"My big strength was my physical conditioning and tenacity - and with my funny grip, a lot of people could not read me well.


I never associated Durr with great conditioning-but it makes sense considering her style of play.

chris whiteside
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Thanks to t/v for posting this article and to Ryan for bringing it to our attention.

It's always great to get some fresh info and slant on the on the 60s/70s period.

I was thinking that 26 singles tournaments won seemed a bit low and a quick count of what I have from 1964-1973 inclusive comes to 44 plus she would have won a few before and after this period. You might have to take a few off for French National events but you're still talking around 40.

I don't know how they calculated the figure of 26 - if they discounted pre-1968 it wouldn't even be anywhere near that.

calou
Jan 11th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Thanks for this TV.
In France ,people always talked about Joseph Stolpa as her first coach .He was a great coach and today in Marseille there's a Tennis Academy Joseph Stolpa.
Hope some young players will read this article .
"We really have come a long way baby "

tennisvideos
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Thanks to t/v for posting this article and to Ryan for bringing it to our attention.

It's always great to get some fresh info and slant on the on the 60s/70s period.

I was thinking that 26 singles tournaments won seemed a bit low and a quick count of what I have from 1964-1973 inclusive comes to 44 plus she would have won a few before and after this period. You might have to take a few off for French National events but you're still talking around 40.

I don't know how they calculated the figure of 26 - if they discounted pre-1968 it wouldn't even be anywhere near that.
Yes the WTA records are a mess. They need to come to the outstanding BFTP that Rollo et all have contributed greatly to in order to update their records. I am sure that Frankie has lots more doubles titles too than the 40 or so that the WTA list.

trivfun
Jan 21st, 2011, 03:13 PM
Thanks for posting this TV.

I found this interesting...



I never associated Durr with great conditioning-but it makes sense considering her style of play.

You notice that she became a lot leaner during that period compared to the plump during her amateur days.

Rollo
Sep 21st, 2011, 02:17 PM
An article from Sports Illustrated on Frankie-from 1972.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085856/index.htm


March 06, 1972

A Long Way, Bebe

Mlle. Durr's strokes are bizarre, but she won $65,000 last year and now ranks high on the Virginia Slims tour

Edwin Shrake (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Edwin_Shrake/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)

In the bar at the Lincoln Plaza Hotel in Oklahoma City it was getting on toward midnight, and the red-haired woman with the brown and green eyes was sipping a glass of orange juice while her fiancee packed away a few after-dinner Scotches and nodded to the music of a three-piece combo.
Half an hour earlier the drummer had stopped by their table for a drink and had laid on them a tale of what it was like to grow up black in the South, a story told in a kind of jive rhythm, thick with folkisms and hip enigmas. The red-haired woman, whose brown and green eyes also held flecks of red in the peculiar light of the bar, listened with the greatest sympathy, considering that she was French and could hardly understand a word the man was saying, and when he rose to go back to the bandstand she took off her necklace and gave it to him.

The black man looked at the pendant on the necklace and started grinning. "Right on," he said. He put on the necklace and returned to his drums and sat there grinning through the final set.

"He must have like it," said the red-haired woman.

The pendant was a cartoon figure of a flapper with rolled hose and a tennis racket. Whether the irony was comprehended fully is a matter of guesswork, but that cartoon figure is associated with an advertising slogan that says, "You've come a long way, baby."

The red-haired woman was Francoise Durrof Paris, France , the sixth-ranking woman tennis player in the world and at that moment the fourth leading money-winner on the Virginia Slims Women's Tennis Circuit. Virginia Slims is a brand of cigarettes that partly sponsors the women's professional tennis tour and places its slogan on banners around the courts as well as on buttons, sweat suits and on the T shirts that Francoise Durr fills out in such admirable fashion. The slogan neatly fits in with the female tour's nickname—Women's Lob—and with the journey of Francoise herself.

Francoise turned toward her fiancee, showing in profile a fine French nose that General de Gaulle would have been proud of, and said mildly, "I suppose Nancy is in bed asleep by now."

"Forget Nancy wherever she is. You'll beat Nancy. You're a fighter," said her fiancee, Bill Cutler, who works for the sponsoring tobacco company. Cutler looked at the other person at their table, a tall fellow whose eyes also held many flecks of red that had nothing to do with the lighting or the benefits of natural coloring.

"Nancy's a fighter, too," Cutler said. "She was brought up to live for beating you on the tennis court. Right now that's probably all she's thinking about, beating Frankie here. Well, you've got to admire that quality, the way things are in America these days—with the country full of co-ops."
"You mean communes?" said the other person.

"No. I mean co-ops. People who just want to cooperate with everybody and don't care about winning."
"I didn't realize the country was full of people like that," said the other person, feeling a little cheerier.
"It's full of them," Cutler said.
"I want to beat Nancy, but if I lose..." said Fran�oise.
"You won't lose," Cutler said. He looked again at the other person, whose knowledge of tennis bordered on the primitive—backhand, forehand, serve, run around a bit, partake of cooling liquids, that was about it. "You'd be surprised. I've noticed a tremendous predisposition among the women players about which ones they can beat and which ones they can't. Largely it's been the same women playing each other for the last six or eight years—though there are some good new ones coming up—and they'll remember matches they lost to a certain player three or four years ago. They'll think, 'That girl beat me, she's better than I am,' and they'll go out and lose to her again. For example, Frankie's got this idea that she has a hard time with Nancy Richey Gunter. Billie Jean King thinks she can beat all of them, and they know it, and she wins some matches she should have lost because her opponent will realize late in the match that she's not supposed to beat Billie Jean and will fall apart.

"Last year," said Cutler, "the big book on the women's tour was Psycho-Cybernetics, about how you do something in your mind before you actually free it physically, train your mind and body to perform perfectly, get rid of the idea that maybe you'll fail. The book went through the girls like fire. Frankie read it."

"I read half of it," Francoise said with a French accent she fears is becoming Americanized but sounded like a melody in the Oklahoma bar. "Then I put it down. If I am going to play the match over and over in my head, by the time I go onto the court I am too tired to play. I am worn out with thinking about it. I know what I am supposed to do—run Nancy back and forth, back and forth. So I wait until I go onto the court to do it."

"You'll beat her, honey," said Cutler.

"That is the kind of encouragement I need. Not this thing in that book," Francoise said.

Early that afternoon the women in the championship flight of the tennis tour had met in the student center at Oklahoma City University to draw for first-round opponents. (There are now close to 50 on the tour but only 16 usually play in the championship flight for the prize money, the others battling each other in two satellite tournaments, called qualifying and preliminary flights, for the right to move up.) The attractive, bouncy Billie Jean King, who at 28 refers to herself as "the old lady" of the tour, was seeded No. 1 in the circuit's point system based on matches won. Frankie Durr, 29, was seeded No. 2. The notion behind seeding is that the two hottest players are placed at the top and bottom of the brackets so that there is a good chance they will meet in the finals.

As the women, or girls—whatever you call a bunch of females who are mostly in their early 20s—gathered at a long table gossiping and laughing, there was the feeling of watching some postgraduate sorority affair. They were an amazingly good-looking group of people, especially when one thought of the stereotype of the woman athlete. Nobody had a beard. Nobody looked or sounded like Ernest Borgnine . The ones who weren't still in sweat suits from a morning of practice were thoughtfully dressed. Billie Jean King—winner of 33 national championships, undisputed world champion for three years, last year the first woman athlete ever to win more than $100,000 in a season—wore curved, tinted glasses, black slacks and a Western shirt and, later, put on a rainbow poncho her husband Larry had bought for her in Panama. Wendy Overton, fifth-seeded, tall and blonde, looked like the product of a patrician Eastern girls' school. Nobody waddled, not a lumberjack in the group.

Lesley Hunt, a beautiful young blonde from Australia, drew Billie Jean King in the first round and cried out, "How could I have such luck!" The draw continued, presided over by the 64-year-old Britisher Pip Jones, tour manager, husband of 33-year-old former Wimbledon champion Ann Haydon Jones, who was cuddling their two-month-old baby. Frankie Durr, winner of five tournaments and $65,000 last year and winner of the French Open doubles championship the past five years, sat up smiling as her draw was announced. She rolled her eyes at Nancy Gunter, who sat at another table. "There is no use to worry. We just see what happen," Frankie said.

At a cocktail party and dinner that night at Quail Creek Country Club, Billie Jean King was saying, "Frankie is a hard worker. Does a lot to help this tour, and she's a fantastic player because of her mobility and consistency. She positions herself beautifully on the court. That serve of hers is more difficult to handle than it looks. She's always ready for your return, and if you step up and really try to put her serve away, you get the strangest sensation. It's like swinging at a nothing ball. You can't tell what you've hit."

"Frankie is the sweetest thing ever to come out of France," said Pip Jones. "It's a remarkable thing to watch her play tennis. There's not a better doubles player anywhere. I wouldn't recommend parents to take their children to see her to learn her strokes, which are unorthodox to say the least. But if you want them to learn tactics, tell them to watch Frankie."

As Pip Jones was speaking, Frankie Durr was smiling politely across the dinner table, making conversation with several local ladies. A few years before, Frankie would have had trouble eating or sleeping on the night before a match with a player like Nancy Gunter. But now she was taking it calmly, even though it remained in her thoughts. Frankie's game is based on hitting the ball back and not getting caught out of position rather than on attacking. "But one thing I can't do with Nancy," she whispered, "is stay deep and keep trading drives with her. Nancy's father did that with her for years, and she can keep hitting perfect balls that way all night long. I will have to mix it up, change the pace, try to throw her off."
Francoise Durrstarted playing tennis when she was 13 in Algeria , where her family had lived for four generations. Her father was a French colonel, a war hero who was killed on a routine flight in 1945, when Frankie was 3. She left Algeria during the revolution, moved to Paris with her mother, brother and sister, and took her unusual strokes ("Some people call them bizarre, but I think it is nicer to call them unique," she says) onto the international tournament circuit while in her teens. She astounded the other players with her grip—right forefinger extended along the handle, same for backhand and forehand—and with a backhand stroke that she could use to throw a Frisbee. But she began to win.

As a result, Frankie has played against all of the most celebrated women players of the last 10 years—and several of the men. With her game depending so heavily on tactics instead of power, she studies her opponents with care. One afternoon before her Oklahoma City match with Nancy Gunter, Frankie was asked to rate the top 10 women players, in her opinion, in order and discuss them. She thought about it for a while and then began listing them, not in the order prescribed by official rankings:

1. Billie Jean King

"She has no real weakness. She has power, but a nice touch as well, and she's a very nice person. I think I may have a little edge over her because I beat her last year and she knows I can beat her. She volleys so well that I try to go to the net before she does. She is a wonderful player."

2. Margaret Court. "Margaret is so big and very strong. She hits the ball hard and it's very heavy on the racket. I get tired playing her. If I go to the net, she's too tall to hit the ball past. I've beaten her once out of 10 or 15 times. I'm not strong enough to play her. She stays by herself, is not very friendly. Maybe that's the way to be a champion—by yourself on the top. When she's playing well, it's very hard for anyone to beat her."

3. Evonne Goolagong

"A very strange girl. She plays well or badly, depending on her mood. She's a talented, natural player. This year the pressure is on her because of her No. 1 world ranking. Last year she was relaxed. She can play any kind of game, stay back or serve and volley. She adjusts according to whom she's playing. I try to make her come to the net and pass her. If she stays back, she makes strokes I don't like. She can do anything with the ball. She's very young, only 20 now, but acts more like she's 15. She carries a tape recorder and music everywhere and travels always with her coach. She's a little special, won't really mix with the rest of us."

4. Kerry Melville. "A nice girl but very shy. She doesn't talk much, doesn't have a strong personality. Her game is improving and she's playing well now. But she's hard to know and talk to."

5. Rosemary Casals.
"A good friend of mine, she's in a bad period at the moment. Not happy. She's having trouble with her weight. She doesn't listen to anyone right now or talk to anyone very much. But she's a great friend to have around and can be a lot of fun. She's the most talented player of us all, can hit any stroke. She's small but hits the ball hard and has one of the best serves of any of the girls. But sometimes she doesn't have the mentality for the game, is lacking something in the head. I don't know what it is."

6. Chris Evert
"She is difficult to know, but of course she really hasn't been around much. I'm sure she feels kind of out of it, still being in school. She's a nice girl and very poised to be only 17. She seems more like 25. She's good, thinks well, is very clever and is improving. She plays more volleys than she used to. She's winning points now instead of waiting for her opponents to make mistakes. She'll be one of the very best in two years."

7. Virginia Wade . "Along with Rosie Casals, Virginia has the best serve. She's a peculiar girl, can be nice or not so nice depending on her mood. I don't know how to take her. She has tremendous power but is very nervous. The nervousness kills her sometimes, like at Wimbledon. She can't play there. Is always losing to somebody she shouldn't. Maybe she's too bright, has too much imagination, can't do what she wants to do. She plays well in one tournament but is up and down. She'll win a fantastic match, but she could lose to anybody."

8. Nancy Richey Gunter. "Her whole life has been based on tennis. She has sacrificed a lot for the game. Now that she's married, she seems to be taking it a little easier. Her father taught her not to talk or even say hello to an opponent before a match, so she has been a long time by herself, thinking about tennis. She does hardly any promotion for the tour. The other girls get a little bit mad about that. She practices at least an hour before a match. She's most difficult to beat, maybe is too steady for me. Nancy never gives up, no matter how far she might get down."

9. Judy Dalton. "One of my very best friends. We pull for each other and help give each other confidence. We're doubles partners. She bangs her racket around like I do, to get things out of her system so she doesn't go wrong. She's more relaxed now that she's married and is playing her last year on the tour. Maybe she doesn't move her feet enough, but she's a strong player."

10. Francoise Durr
"Why not put myself 10th? I don't know, maybe I should be five or six. Determination is what makes me win. I wouldn't say I have a great serve or hit great shots, but I believe I can beat almost anyone. My biggest weakness is when I lose confidence. I don't hit the drop shot very well. I get very mad at myself when I know what to do and can't do it. Footwork is the key to tennis. First you must be in position with your feet before you can hit the ball properly. I used to skip rope a lot to develop my footwork. Also I work hard on my concentration, try to get keyed up for a match, try to know which shots my opponents don't like. When I start to lose confidence, I write my coach, Joseph Stolpa, in France. He writes me every week. I could tell you how to beat me, but I won't do it. I wouldn't want the girls to read that."

It is obviously an odd sort of life, perhaps particularly so for a woman. Frankie Durr played in 38 tournaments last year. She plays for six or seven months in the US and two or three in Europe.
"It is an exhausting, lonely life," she said. "You meet many people, but then you don't see them again for a year. If you want to be the best, be on top, you must work very hard. It all depends on what you want out of life. The life of a professional athlete is superficial and the satisfaction is very short. When you fall from the top, you may still have a big name but it is not the same, and you must prepare yourself for it. So many don't realize that playing the game at the top is a short part of your life, and even that short part requires much sacrifice. I am at the point now where I am ready to quit in a year or two and try to change my life. It is an important step."

A number of the players on the tour are married, but few travel with their husbands and none have children. There have been inevitable speculations about homosexuality. "I have heard the things people say," Frankie said. "It could be a problem, all right. I don't know. I doubt we are any different from any other group of people."

On the morning of her evening match with Nancy Gunter, Frankie practiced for a while, watched her friend Judy Dalton win a match and then returned to her hotel to rest and play her guitar. She also plays classical piano, "but a guitar is easier to carry," she said. "If I had my life to do over, I would be a top-spin tennis player—instead of playing the flat game like I do now—or be a pop singer. Maybe it's not too late."

She had steak and salad two hours before her match and went back to the OCU field house to borrow some tennis rackets from Dalton and from Betty Stove, another close friend. Frankie broke her own French fiber-glass racket weeks ago, has been unable to get replacements, and has been using borrowed rackets. In that time she has broken three of Dalton's. Her temper on the court is such that once in Melbourne she threw a racket so high that the wind caught it and blew it out of the stadium. "Imagine a golfer playing with borrowed clubs," she said, warming up. "It is ridiculous, I think."
In the first set against Nancy Gunter, Frankie was quickly down 3-0. She sailed Dalton's racket beneath a table and picked up a metal racket of Stove's. They were playing a deep game in the dim field house, blasting from the baselines, Nancy Gunter grunting with the effort of each shot. Frankie was loudly exhorting herself into her work, and she finally tied the set 6-6 and won the tiebreaker. The two girls kept banging away, running at a heavy pace, and Durr seemed to begin to crack. She sat down in the stands and hung her head for a moment and lost the second set 6-2.

In the third, down 3-0, Frankie looked weary and disappointed. "I don't care," she said. "She can have it." But then she said, "I've been out here too long already to quit and go home now." With another surge of strength, Frankie moved ahead 4-3. Nancy tied it 4-4, and Frankie broke Nancy's service in the final game to win the set 6-4 and the match. She came off the court, her red ponytail limp with sweat, her feet covered with blisters from running for two hours on the artificial carpet.

Frankie's exhaustion carried over to the next day, when she was upset by Valerie Ziegenfuss. Then it was on to Paris for a couple of days' rest before the grind took up with the next show on the road, baby.

Rollo
Sep 21st, 2011, 02:26 PM
I hope lover's of 70s tennis will take the time to read the article above-it's a classic IMO:)

alfajeffster
Sep 21st, 2011, 06:58 PM
What a terrific article, and one of the most insightful and fair observations of players around her

tennisvideos
Sep 22nd, 2011, 12:51 PM
Thanks Rollo I loved that article (quelle surprise!) How funny about Frankie's racket being blown out of the stadium when she flung it so high in the air! Hilarious. There will never be another character or stylist like the legendary Frankie :)

tennisvideos
Oct 13th, 2011, 08:17 AM
Frankie Durr is coming to stay with me for 5 days in January while the Sydney International is on. Should be fun! :bounce:

Not sure if she is going to bring her racket or if she will get time for another hit but will see. Apparently she and her team recently won the European teams championship for their age bracket so great to know she is still playing competitively.

alfajeffster
Oct 13th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Frankie Durr is coming to stay with me for 5 days in January while the Sydney International is on. Should be fun! :bounce:

Not sure if she is going to bring her racket or if she will get time for another hit but will see. Apparently she and her team recently won the European teams championship for their age bracket so great to know she is still playing competitively.

Oh, now I see how you are. housing Euro-trash instead of accommodating Alfa on his great return to Oz! Well, I shall just have to alert channel 7 news of the slight, and have your pad picketed.:lol:

No, seriously, it sounds like great fun. I'd do the same in a heartbeat, but Reading, PA seems to not be able to hold a candle to Sydney, so all the great players skip it altogether for better tennis venues. Have a great time- and be sure to share pics!

tennisvideos
Oct 13th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Oh, now I see how you are. housing Euro-trash instead of accommodating Alfa on his great return to Oz! Well, I shall just have to alert channel 7 news of the slight, and have your pad picketed.:lol:

No, seriously, it sounds like great fun. I'd do the same in a heartbeat, but Reading, PA seems to not be able to hold a candle to Sydney, so all the great players skip it altogether for better tennis venues. Have a great time- and be sure to share pics!

:lol: Alfa! You are always welcome here too! Always happy to host and meet up with another tennis fanatics! I just love tennis so much that it is the greatest passion in my life (along with my partner and doggies of course).

I shall be sure to take more pics with Frankie and her daughter. I hope we get to have a proper set of doubles this time. Last time I hit with her it was for only 10 minutes as it was 46 degrees (well over 110 degrees) on the hardcourts at the Aussie Open. It was so hot we just couldn't go on any longer. But I had that videod for posterity :hearts:

She is also going to Melbourne for the Aussie Open for the 2 weeks so I will try and make the trip down there again for a few days.

You are playing tennis again?

I am now 51 and I played two tournaments over the past 2 weekends. In the first one I captured the Veterans Mixed title (with my 70yo partner) and made the Semis of 4 other events. I played 15 matches in 2 days (pro-sets). I was exhausting and my calves were so sore after.

Then this weekend just gone I played another tournament and was runner-up in the Veterans singles and won the Open Doubles. I played 10 sets on the final day and now I have seized up and don't think I will be able to play for another few weeks! :lol: But it is all worth it, there is nothing much better than playing this wonderful game. :bounce:

calou
Oct 13th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Frankie Durr is coming to stay with me for 5 days in January while the Sydney International is on. Should be fun! :bounce:

Not sure if she is going to bring her racket or if she will get time for another hit but will see. Apparently she and her team recently won the European teams championship for their age bracket so great to know she is still playing competitively.
Great :yeah:
I'm waiting for the pics !

tennisvideos
Oct 13th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Great :yeah:
I'm waiting for the pics !

Thanks Calou - I shall be sure to post some! I should get videos of her converted so I can upload them to YouTube as well. In addition to the one of us hitting together, and showing close ups of her grips, I also have an interview of her that I did in one of the BBC rooms at Wimbledon and I videod it myself with my camcorder! :lol: That was back in the day when I was doing a bit of freelance journalism ;)

GeeTee
Oct 13th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Not sure if she is going to bring her racket
Surely she knows by now if she's meeting up with you, she HAS to bring her racquet! :)

Though she won't need to pack any tennis dresses as you probably have more of hers than she does! :lol:

tennisvideos
Oct 14th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Surely she knows by now if she's meeting up with you, she HAS to bring her racquet! :)

Though she won't need to pack any tennis dresses as you probably have more of hers than she does! :lol:

She will have about 15 Tinling numbers to get into :lol:

As for the hit, she is probably still traumatised after our 10 minute hit in the furnace like conditions at Melbourne Park.

alfajeffster
Oct 14th, 2011, 09:23 AM
[QUOTE=tennisvideos;20355844]You are playing tennis again?


Not yet- I wish. I have been back up to the club to check out all the changes. Not much but the pros has changed. One of them, Brian, I've never lost to, but only played him in doubles and mixed. He always got intimidated by my forceful net play, so what could poor little me do? What I should do is check my pride at the door and schedule a lesson with him, because I'll be bringing so much rust and missing footwork with me, I shudder. The biggest problem for me is I know what to do with the ball, but my body has been out of condition for so long, it'll get frustrating fast. Wish me luck!

tennisvideos
Oct 17th, 2011, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=tennisvideos;20355844]You are playing tennis again?


Not yet- I wish. I have been back up to the club to check out all the changes. Not much but the pros has changed. One of them, Brian, I've never lost to, but only played him in doubles and mixed. He always got intimidated by my forceful net play, so what could poor little me do? What I should do is check my pride at the door and schedule a lesson with him, because I'll be bringing so much rust and missing footwork with me, I shudder. The biggest problem for me is I know what to do with the ball, but my body has been out of condition for so long, it'll get frustrating fast. Wish me luck!

Good luck with the comeback Alfa. You hit the nail on the head - as you get older you do have to check your pride at the door. You can no longer do the things you used to be able to do as a younger version of us could - well I can't run as well as I used to that is for sure. And my hand and some fingers have been a bit arthritic on and off over the past few years so some days it is very painful to hit the ball. I can see why players retire when they must get frustrated that they can't play as they used to. But I just try to pick good doubles players to keep me in contention :lol: But when it comes to singles I definately have to check my pride at the door!

Anyway, the key is to just enjoy being able to move and hit the ball again and not worry so much about the end result. With an ego it's not that easy to do, but it's something to aspire to. It's something I admire so much about Evonne Goolagong - to think she played much of her professional career that way is incredible! :worship: Have fun! :)

tennisvideos
Oct 17th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Just got some news from Frankie that she is to be presented with a special 'Hall of Fame' commemorative ring to mark her induction a few years back. 16 of the commemorative have been presented so far to Hall of Famers and Frankie's will be presented to her at the Monte Carlo masters next April at a special gala of invited players, media and selected guests. Wished I could be there for the presentation but alas it will be another great honour for her. :worship:

tennisvideos
Jan 11th, 2012, 03:42 AM
Well Frankie Durr and her daughter Jessica arrived this morning and we have had a busy day today. Went to Bondi Beach which was magic and I had a couple of swims in the ocean. Then went for a drive through the beautiful Centennial Park, over Sydney Harbour Bridge and stopped off for some lunch and pastries from Adriano Zumbo (the most famous patisserie in Australia). They are now tired and gone off upstairs for a nana nap. Tonight we are off to a little Italian restaurant and tomorrow we are off to the Womens Semis at the Sydney International. Will post some pics once I upload them to the computer.

Also planning to have a hit of doubles with Frankie and a few of my friends on Saturday (weather permitting) :)

alfajeffster
Jan 11th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Well Frankie Durr and her daughter Jessica arrived this morning and we have had a busy day today. Went to Bondi Beach which was magic and I had a couple of swims in the ocean. Then went for a drive through the beautiful Centennial Park, over Sydney Harbour Bridge and stopped off for some lunch and pastries from Adriano Zumbo (the most famous patisserie in Australia). They are now tired and gone off upstairs for a nana nap. Tonight we are off to a little Italian restaurant and tomorrow we are off to the Womens Semis at the Sydney International. Will post some pics once I upload them to the computer.

Also planning to have a hit of doubles with Frankie and a few of my friends on Saturday (weather permitting) :)

Could we put a little more excitement in our posts, Craig? This sounds like drudgery for you and you can't wait for them to leave!:lol: Glad to hear she's there, and I know you're in heaven. Enjoy the next few weeks. I'll be up watching, and look forward to your pics buddy.

tennisvideos
Jan 11th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Could we put a little more excitement in our posts, Craig? This sounds like drudgery for you and you can't wait for them to leave!:lol: Glad to hear she's there, and I know you're in heaven. Enjoy the next few weeks. I'll be up watching, and look forward to your pics buddy.

Haha ... yeah of course I am dancing on the inside. We have been having lots of laughs and tonite she was able to watch herself win the French Open singles for the very first time which was lots of fun for all of us!

Here is Frankie with my little dog Spike tonite after our big day:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieSpike.jpg

And Frankie with Suga:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieSuga.jpg

alfajeffster
Jan 11th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Haha ... yeah of course I am dancing on the inside. We have been having lots of laughs and tonite she was able to watch herself win the French Open singles for the very first time which was lots of fun for all of us!

Here is Frankie with my little dog Spike tonite after our big day:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieSpike.jpg

And Frankie with Suga:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieSuga.jpg

How wonderful are those pics! It's amazing she's never seen her French victory, but my guess (from the trouble you had getting the 73 footage) there are a lot of matches just sitting in canisters. I absolutely loved watching her live in Philadelphia for WTT back in the 70s. Of course, everyone changes, but she still has that interesting face- makes one stare (I don't know how else to describe it). Oh, and do tell the story behind that mannequin in the corner- I KNOW there must be a story! Is that your stick-pin doll for annoying BFTP posters?

tennisvideos
Jan 11th, 2012, 11:37 PM
How wonderful are those pics! It's amazing she's never seen her French victory, but my guess (from the trouble you had getting the 73 footage) there are a lot of matches just sitting in canisters. I absolutely loved watching her live in Philadelphia for WTT back in the 70s. Of course, everyone changes, but she still has that interesting face- makes one stare (I don't know how else to describe it). Oh, and do tell the story behind that mannequin in the corner- I KNOW there must be a story! Is that your stick-pin doll for annoying BFTP posters?

Haha about the mannequin! We have two in the house. When I lived at my old house I used to have about 30 wooden rackets all hanging up along the long hallway - they looked fantastic. And in the middle we had the two mannequins set up wearing Teddy Tinling dresses and wigs and one was in a Billie-Jean outfit and the other I used to alternate between the Nancy Richey, Rosie Casals or Frankie outfits. But when we moved we have no room for the tennis racket display and I also didn't want the Tinling dresses to get dusty or dirty so I now have them protected in the closet LOL. And so the mannequins are now naked and have coloured lights draped over them so they look interesting at night when the lights are on. Of course Frankie and her daughter were also wondering about the naked mannequins in the house so I had to explain that to them too lol.

Today we are going to the Tennis International tournament at Sydney to watch the womens semis. And tonite they are off to the Opera while I play tennis with my friends. And tomorrow we are having a hit of doubles with Frankie. So I will try and get some photos taken there as well.

Here is Frankie and her daughter Jessica having scrambled eggs and smoked salmon on toast that I made this morning.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieJessica.jpg

tennisvideos
Jan 12th, 2012, 12:55 PM
Frankie myself and my two little doggies :
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraig-1.jpg

Frankie gave me a few towels from Roland Garros as a gift for putting her and Jessica up:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigTowels.jpg

alfajeffster
Jan 12th, 2012, 01:08 PM
I was looking for you two at the Apia live coverage last night, but the Aussie cameras almost never pan the crowd for some reason. Is that the infamous "tall poppy syndrome"? Anyway, did you have fun, and did you see both semis?

tennisvideos
Jan 12th, 2012, 01:11 PM
I was looking for you two at the Apia live coverage last night, but the Aussie cameras almost never pan the crowd for some reason. Is that the infamous "tall poppy syndrome"? Anyway, did you have fun, and did you see both semis?

My friend gave us front row seats directly behind where the players serve but I don't think we got on TV. I didn't record it anyway. We only got to see Richard Gasquet (shame he lost) and then Na Li v Kvitova. Tomorrow we have our doubles hit with a few of my friends. Will take some pics :)

alfajeffster
Jan 12th, 2012, 07:32 PM
My friend gave us front row seats directly behind where the players serve but I don't think we got on TV. I didn't record it anyway. We only got to see Richard Gasquet (shame he lost) and then Na Li v Kvitova. Tomorrow we have our doubles hit with a few of my friends. Will take some pics :)

As you may remember me blathering in the past about my tennis, my one-handed backhand was always my best shot, and I could hit every kind there is- including a topspin backhand lob (one-handed mind you). I cringe when I see Gasquet lose, and still wish he and Justine would just get together and procreate. Our luck the offspring wouldn't even like tennis!:lol: Don't know if you saw the Doha exhibition set between Stefan Edberg and Tsonga last week, but Edberg has got himself into great shape, and actually looked great on quite a few points. If Kvitova and Radwanska would just get over their fear of the ball at the net and simply take a few passing shots on the chin, they'd dominate much more often. Again- looking forward to the pics!

tennisvideos
Jan 12th, 2012, 11:40 PM
As you may remember me blathering in the past about my tennis, my one-handed backhand was always my best shot, and I could hit every kind there is- including a topspin backhand lob (one-handed mind you). I cringe when I see Gasquet lose, and still wish he and Justine would just get together and procreate. Our luck the offspring wouldn't even like tennis!:lol: Don't know if you saw the Doha exhibition set between Stefan Edberg and Tsonga last week, but Edberg has got himself into great shape, and actually looked great on quite a few points. If Kvitova and Radwanska would just get over their fear of the ball at the net and simply take a few passing shots on the chin, they'd dominate much more often. Again- looking forward to the pics!

Oh yes I love watching Gasquet and was disappointed to see him lose. And Kvitiova was so impressive in the first set but then the errors started to flow. But my, if she controls her game a little she is going to be awesome. I didn't see the Doha exhibition but I always loved watching Edberg so am glad to see he is playing well and is fit etc.

I also like Radwanska, sometimes she reminds me of Frankie with her flat drives and frypan grips at times.

So we had 2 great doubles sets with Frankie today. She still plays the same although she came to the net a lot more! Still hits a nice ball for a 69yo woman! My friend took some more pics so I hope to get them later. But here is one of Frankie with me (left) and my good friend Ben (Billie-Jean) on the right. Frankie won both of the sets 6-3 and 7-5 :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigBillie.jpg

And here is Frankie with our very handsome friend Ben who used to be an actor on TV:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieBenTari.jpg

GeeTee
Jan 13th, 2012, 12:49 AM
Nice pics and stories again!

alfajeffster
Jan 13th, 2012, 01:22 AM
Okay- if Ben needs a place to stay in PA when he visits, he's got one! Good to see a grass court again- I'd nearly forgotten what they looked like.

tennisvideos
Jan 13th, 2012, 02:36 AM
Okay- if Ben needs a place to stay in PA when he visits, he's got one! Good to see a grass court again- I'd nearly forgotten what they looked like.

Yes I am sure Ben would have lots to choose from wherever he went LOL.

It is actually synthetic grass ... which has sand in it too to slow it down a little. I love them. Soft on the feet, good bounces and they suit both S&V and baseliners as well.

alfajeffster
Jan 13th, 2012, 06:30 AM
Yes I am sure Ben would have lots to choose from wherever he went LOL.

It is actually synthetic grass ... which has sand in it too to slow it down a little. I love them. Soft on the feet, good bounces and they suit both S&V and baseliners as well.

We used to have 2 courts just like that in a public park here in Reading, that have since been paved over. I remember the sand got slippery depending on the humidity (of which you probably have none in Syd), and the light poles were placed half way up the alleys (tramlines) separating the two courts, which were also placed unreasonably close together, so you had to be very careful not to clang yourself on a light pole when running wide for a shot! Nobody played on them because they were so unpredictable and dangerous!:lol:

tennisvideos
Jan 14th, 2012, 12:59 PM
We used to have 2 courts just like that in a public park here in Reading, that have since been paved over. I remember the sand got slippery depending on the humidity (of which you probably have none in Syd), and the light poles were placed half way up the alleys (tramlines) separating the two courts, which were also placed unreasonably close together, so you had to be very careful not to clang yourself on a light pole when running wide for a shot! Nobody played on them because they were so unpredictable and dangerous!:lol:

That setup does sound dangerous indeed Alfa!

Here are a few pics from the tennis day. First one is me playing a Durr backhand back to Frankie herself. After one of these shots Frankie called out "hey that's my shot! You stole it from me!". Very funny.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigBenBenTennis.jpg

Frankie and myself on opposite sides of the net ...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigTennis.jpg

Today we had so much fun and when we were having coffee Frankie was recounting some stories from the tour and her past for about 40 minutes and she had herself crying tears of laughter as she told these hilarious stories. One was about how she was bitten by a ferret that she was trying to shoe away from a picnic one day. Another how she was horse riding with Betty Stove and she tried to jump a small ditch but the horse bucked her off and she landed on a cactus! And another about how her and Betty were speeding in the USA to make it somewhere on time and the police pulled them over and they both pretended they couldn't speak English and managed to get out of a fine etc. Of course when she tells a story she is so expressive and she couldn't stop laughing which made it even more funny etc. But she is just so adorable. My partner loves her as she is so down to earth, so full of life and has such a great sense of humour. They leave in the morning after 5 fun filled days and we shall miss them. Hopefully I will see them again in Melbourne at the Aussie Open before they fly back to France. As Frankie said it is probably her last trip back to Australia. How lucky was I to have her and her daughter as a guest. :)

alfajeffster
Jan 14th, 2012, 02:24 PM
I'm so glad you guys (and gals) had so much fun this past week- looks as though you had great weather and a lot of fun. Kind of melancholy to hear it's probably her last trip to Australia, but that just means you'll have to get to France or wherever she lives next time. Thanks for sharing the great time! I was going to go somewhere warm and sunny in a few weeks (after Ausopen), but everywhere here on East Coast in Florida is packed with people wanting to do just what I want to do, and I don't want to go be in a crowd of tourists, so I decided to go back to San Francisco for a week and stay in a B&B about a block from where I used to live. While the temp will be in the 50s-60 every day, that's better than 6 degree windy freeze we're having here today. Plus, I know SF like the back of my hand, and will be able to catch the Muni (subway) just a few steps outside the B&B front door and go anywhere without need of a car, which is both rare and nice. Anyway- thanks again for sharing your time with Frankie, and please give her a big warm hug for me. Friend, Jeffster

nelslus
Jan 14th, 2012, 03:41 PM
.....See, THIS thread is exactly why I still check in here now and then....:)

Re: still playing tennis, LOL, boys, I hear you. I stretch as much as possible, and GOD bless Advils- but, most assuredly, one has to be living with a level of aches/pains if you're going to continue to play. John and I will be playing some singles later today.

Alfa- have a wonderful time in San Fran- it's been years since I've been.

Tennisvideos- Can't tell you enough how much I enjoyed reading your posts here and the photos. Bless her heart, Frankie looks so much the same. And, you're ALL a bunch of handsome men. I just think it's wonderful you've maintained a friendship with Frankie. Thank you so much for these posts.

calou
Jan 15th, 2012, 06:09 AM
Hi tennisvideos :wavey:
I really enjoyed reading your posts.Thank you so much for the pics .Frankie is looking the same it's incredible .

alfajeffster
Jan 15th, 2012, 10:51 AM
...Alfa- have a wonderful time in San Fran- it's been years since I've been...

I just booked the B&B and made plane reservations last night. I used to live a block from this place, and the innkeeper confirmed for me that quite a few of my favorite neighborhood haunts (restaurants where the locals go, etc.) are still there. February isn't coming fast enough! Thanks Nelsus!

www.innoncastro.com

HELP! CRAIG! I'VE GOT AN ITCH! Not that kind, but the kind, you know, the kind that builds from that almost tennis-dead period of time between the Year Ending Championships until the first ball is struck at Rod Laver Arena. IT'S TODAY FINALLY! The drought is over and the first major is here! There should be bells ringing somewhere!

tennisvideos
Jan 15th, 2012, 09:38 PM
I just booked the B&B and made plane reservations last night. I used to live a block from this place, and the innkeeper confirmed for me that quite a few of my favorite neighborhood haunts (restaurants where the locals go, etc.) are still there. February isn't coming fast enough! Thanks Nelsus!

www.innoncastro.com

HELP! CRAIG! I'VE GOT AN ITCH! Not that kind, but the kind, you know, the kind that builds from that almost tennis-dead period of time between the Year Ending Championships until the first ball is struck at Rod Laver Arena. IT'S TODAY FINALLY! The drought is over and the first major is here! There should be bells ringing somewhere!

Have a great holiday Alfa! Yes, many of us are itching for the first ball to be struck at the Aussie Open. Of course I have been watching lots of the lead up action so our place has been saturated with tennis coverage.

A few insights from Frankie about some of her opponents that she shared with myself and some of my tennis friends when she was here:

HER TOUGHEST OPPONENT:

Chris Evert - because she hardly ever missed a shot and she was like a metronome. She was like a better version of herself. And she was very clever with lobs, drop shots, placements etc. But Frankie never really got close to Chris as a friend on tour because Chris was aloof for most of her time on tour up until when Frankie retired in the late 70s. Frankie used to love to go sightseeing when she was playing tournaments and used to go with many of the other players but whenever she asked Chris to go (or even to practise) she was never interested so this never helped their relationship.

THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME:

Martina Navratilova - because she was so strong and athletic and had the very difficult left handed serve. Great volleys and pretty good groundstrokes. But interestingly, Frankie said she often gave Martina problems (we know she beat Martina 61 61 in the Colgate International when Martina was #2 in the world as well as lots of other really tough matches). She said this was because Martina often served to Frankie's backhand, which was her best shot, and also because Martina charged the net so often and Frankie loved a target to sideline and lob. And that was also why she did so well against Billie-Jean King as well.

ABOUT MARGARET COURT:
Frankie was very supportive of gay rights so she was fascinated to read in the Aussie Papers about Margaret Court and her comments. She said she never got to know Margaret or Lesley Turner very well because they were so quiet and kept to themselves. She said Lesley Turner was like the Chris Evert of the 1960s - she had great groundstrokes and hardly ever made easy errors.

She said Margaret was so tough to beat because she had the best serve of the day, very hard, and also had very hard groundstrokes that skidded very low. And she was hard to lob and sideline because she was so tall and had such long arms she could get to most shots. Frankie said she did much better against King because she could lob King more easily and give her a hard time on the baseline.

ABOUT LESBIANISM ON THE TOUR:
Frankie had lots of lesbian friends on the tour and liked them a lot - also there were lots on tour back when she was playing in the 60s and 70s . I asked if she ever got hit on by any and she said no because they all knew Frankie had some boyfriends etc. She was talking about the girlfriends of all the woman we already know about. But the interesting thing is that she still to this day does not know for certain about Betty Stove. Betty has had a few boyfriends and at one stage was engaged to be married but he didn't go through with it which was very upsetting for Betty at the time. She said that Betty does live with a woman in Belguim now but she still doesn't know for sure about this relationship and as far as she is aware it may just be friendship. Interesting. Anyway, it all doesn't matter.

Her main reason for not playing the Australian Open more was because the plane trip was so long and planes weren't as good as they are now. She recalled how she once flew from Africa to get her and it took 36 hours! It stopped on some island on the way to refuel and it was propeller driven like many back in the 60s. Once she got here she then slept for 24 hours to recover! So it was the long trip that turned her off but she always loved coming here when she did. She had fond memories of winning the WA Open back in the 60s which she said was a thrill because it was a grass court title and the Aussie girls were all tough on grass.

She rues the current trend of racket technology and slow surfaces which means so many players just stand on the baseline and just bash the ball. Like many of us she misses the variety of styles and personalities that existed back in the 60s and 70s before the boom in technology. She also thinks that the explosion in prize money has meant that there are many people playing today who probably don't love the sport truly, and that if prize money was low she thinks less than half of those playing would be playing. Back in the 60s and early 70s she mentioned that all of the players loved tennis - that was why they played. But prize money and sponsorship etc has changed much of this. Of the current players she loves to watch Schiavone because she is a clever all court player with variety and of course Roger Federer who is a true artist.

Anyway, these were just some of the musings that I can recollect from our days together ... thought I would share them with you guys.

GeeTee
Jan 15th, 2012, 10:28 PM
Great insights from Frankie. When you were playing, I hope she shouted out 'synthetic grass is for synthetic cows' :)

when she tells a story she is so expressive and she couldn't stop laughing which made it even more funny etc.
:lol: wish I was there

Frankie said it is probably her last trip back to Australia.
:tears:

tennisvideos
Jan 15th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Great insights from Frankie. When you were playing, I hope she shouted out 'synthetic grass is for synthetic cows' :)

:lol: yes that was one of her famous sayings back in the day wasn't it! Grass is for cows. And she said she was always yelling 'fucking flies' when she was in Australia playing tennis. She was surprised this trip as she has hardly seen any yet.

Oh and I just remembered it wasn't a ferret that bit her, it was a mongoose. And when she told the man about it where she was staying he said "don't worry, the mongoose has had it's rabies shots!". Too funny.

They have gone to Cairns for 3 days to do the Great Barrier reef and then to the Great Ocean Rd in Victoria before they go to the Aussie Open next Monday 23rd. Same day I go, and by complete coincidence we are all staying next to each other on Little Bourke St in Melbourne so we shall catch up again - we have a lunch planned with Judy Dalton.

It is sad that she won't be coming back to Australia again, but as she turns 70 later this year I guess it's no surprise as it's such a long way to go.

I have lots more pics of Frankie from the trip but I will post a few more of the nicer ones later.

tennisvideos
Jan 16th, 2012, 01:34 AM
I'm so glad you guys (and gals) had so much fun this past week- looks as though you had great weather and a lot of fun. Kind of melancholy to hear it's probably her last trip to Australia, but that just means you'll have to get to France or wherever she lives next time. Thanks for sharing the great time! I was going to go somewhere warm and sunny in a few weeks (after Ausopen), but everywhere here on East Coast in Florida is packed with people wanting to do just what I want to do, and I don't want to go be in a crowd of tourists, so I decided to go back to San Francisco for a week and stay in a B&B about a block from where I used to live. While the temp will be in the 50s-60 every day, that's better than 6 degree windy freeze we're having here today. Plus, I know SF like the back of my hand, and will be able to catch the Muni (subway) just a few steps outside the B&B front door and go anywhere without need of a car, which is both rare and nice. Anyway- thanks again for sharing your time with Frankie, and please give her a big warm hug for me. Friend, Jeffster

Hope you have a great holiday in SF Alfa. I did mention the BFTP to Frankie and her daughter and showed her this thread and the pictures and posts on here. I also talked about how fondly many of you remember her for her crazy strokes and fun (and dramatic) personality. She was very happy to see the interest in her still after all these years.

Just a few more pics from her stay:

Frankie and Jessica with the Sydney Harbour Bridge framing them:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieJessicaHarbourBridge.jpg

Frankie and myself leaning against my mini cooper with the DUR number plates:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigCar.jpg

With Frankie at the Apia international:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraig2-1.jpg

Frankie & Jessica at the Opera House where they saw the "Magic Flute" and said it was one of the best productions of any show they have ever seen (I think it is the NY Theatre production but with local performers):
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieJessicaOperaHouse.jpg

A nice pic of Frankie with the Harbour Bridge behind her:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieHarbourBridge.jpg

alfajeffster
Jan 16th, 2012, 12:14 PM
I wanted to do that tour up over the harbour bridge, but when my friend Garry told me how much it cost (it was nearly $300USD 8 years ago) we decided to forgo the expense and took a ferry from the Quay out to Manley Beach instead. I could've done it, but didn't want him to have to shell out that kind of money or have to wait for me on the ground. I also wanted to tour the Opera House, but had to settle for the (wonderful) Sydney Art Museum instead. He was (and is I'm sure) kind of a penny-pincher. The whole time I was there I was fending off his advances and eating cheap (he finally said to me at the end of the week "you've got a fair bit of attitude"). It was all I could do in a foreign country to keep silent about his deceptive profile pics and e-mails and phone calls we traded for months prior to me actually buying AO tix and booking the flight. He can keep Canberra, IMO. I was remembering my Grandmother's advice "mind the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves!" the whole time I was with him. :-D No mistake, I had a great time and would do it all again- just won't stay with him in Canberra next time, and will invest in one of those Australian salute hats to keep the flies off me! Anyway, thanks again for sharing your lovely time with Francoise and her daughter.

tennisvideos
Jan 16th, 2012, 11:59 PM
I wanted to do that tour up over the harbour bridge, but when my friend Garry told me how much it cost (it was nearly $300USD 8 years ago) we decided to forgo the expense and took a ferry from the Quay out to Manley Beach instead. I could've done it, but didn't want him to have to shell out that kind of money or have to wait for me on the ground. I also wanted to tour the Opera House, but had to settle for the (wonderful) Sydney Art Museum instead. He was (and is I'm sure) kind of a penny-pincher. The whole time I was there I was fending off his advances and eating cheap (he finally said to me at the end of the week "you've got a fair bit of attitude"). It was all I could do in a foreign country to keep silent about his deceptive profile pics and e-mails and phone calls we traded for months prior to me actually buying AO tix and booking the flight. He can keep Canberra, IMO. I was remembering my Grandmother's advice "mind the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves!" the whole time I was with him. :-D No mistake, I had a great time and would do it all again- just won't stay with him in Canberra next time, and will invest in one of those Australian salute hats to keep the flies off me! Anyway, thanks again for sharing your lovely time with Francoise and her daughter.

I wouldn't bother climbing the bridge myself ... I like the view of the bridge and Opera House from the ground and I think the ferry trip on the harbour is much better and also much cheaper :)

How awful that someone would post deceptive pics and profiles etc esp as you were coming from Overseas! I am not a fan of Canberra myself so you are welcome to stay here in Sydney instead!

I just remembered a funny line Frankie came out with after I hit a similar angled backhand poke against her when she came to the net. She yelled out "That's my shot! You stole it!" as we all burst out laughing. :lol:

alfajeffster
Jan 17th, 2012, 06:41 AM
I wouldn't bother climbing the bridge myself ... I like the view of the bridge and Opera House from the ground and I think the ferry trip on the harbour is much better and also much cheaper :)

How awful that someone would post deceptive pics and profiles etc esp as you were coming from Overseas! I am not a fan of Canberra myself so you are welcome to stay here in Sydney instead!

I just remembered a funny line Frankie came out with after I hit a similar angled backhand poke against her when she came to the net. She yelled out "That's my shot! You stole it!" as we all burst out laughing. :lol:

I'd be on the sidelines cracking up myself. Did you ever have a conversation with Frankie that included thoughts on Suzanne Lenglen? Just curious.

Yeah, Garry's pics were all posed side of face shots with his mouth closed and no glasses. Kind of like a 70s game show host feel to them. In person, when he walked up to me at the airport in Syd, and I saw the open car-door ears (I mean big), the buck teeth hanging out of his mouth, and the coke bottle thick, dirty glasses, I thought to myself this stranger must have me confused with someone else, and I was polite to him until the reality of him being Garry set in. I was never impolite the whole time, but I admit, I did clam up a bit, which may have come across to him as attitude. Just not at all what was portrayed.

Thanks again for the hospitality invite. My cousin and her hubby took a cruise from New Zealand a few years ago, with stops in Sydney and Melbourne, and absolutely loved it. I might do the same, as I didn't make it to New Zealand and am not phased by the tragedy in Italy at all- awful thing to happen, but extremely rare in my estimation. Anyway, TWO WEEKS TO GO until my mini-vacation in the City by the bay. How lucky to have two weeks of Aussie Open to keep me sane!

tennisvideos
Jan 17th, 2012, 10:30 AM
I'd be on the sidelines cracking up myself. Did you ever have a conversation with Frankie that included thoughts on Suzanne Lenglen? Just curious.

Yeah, Garry's pics were all posed side of face shots with his mouth closed and no glasses. Kind of like a 70s game show host feel to them. In person, when he walked up to me at the airport in Syd, and I saw the open car-door ears (I mean big), the buck teeth hanging out of his mouth, and the coke bottle thick, dirty glasses, I thought to myself this stranger must have me confused with someone else, and I was polite to him until the reality of him being Garry set in. I was never impolite the whole time, but I admit, I did clam up a bit, which may have come across to him as attitude. Just not at all what was portrayed.

Thanks again for the hospitality invite. My cousin and her hubby took a cruise from New Zealand a few years ago, with stops in Sydney and Melbourne, and absolutely loved it. I might do the same, as I didn't make it to New Zealand and am not phased by the tragedy in Italy at all- awful thing to happen, but extremely rare in my estimation. Anyway, TWO WEEKS TO GO until my mini-vacation in the City by the bay. How lucky to have two weeks of Aussie Open to keep me sane!

OMG Garry sounds like the nightmare vision from hell! Coke Bottle glasses, buck teeth and car door ears! Could it get any worse! :tape::eek: You must have been tempted to walk back through immigration and take the first flight back!

Yes, doing NZ, Melbourne and Sydney would be a magic adventure for anyone! I have never been to NZ but all reports are that it is stunning. And I love Melbourne and it's European culture and of course Sydney is an incredibly beautiful city if I may say so.

I should have asked Frankie about her musings on Suzanne but it didn't even enter my mind! She did talk fondly of Teddy Tinling though if that's any consolation ;)

alfajeffster
Jan 17th, 2012, 03:11 PM
There are closer pics, but you can still see the cab doors at this distance!

Well, I can't seem to figure out how to download his pic, so i'll leave him to your imagination.

tennisvideos
Jan 21st, 2012, 06:15 AM
Supposed to be meeting up with Judy Dalton & Frankie in the Last 8 club at Melbourne Park on Tuesday morning. If so I will try and get a pic with the two of them. Am going to the tennis Mon-Wed night so should be fun. Some interesting match ups are possible. Am enjoying the tennis this year a lot. :)

alfajeffster
Jan 22nd, 2012, 06:30 PM
Supposed to be meeting up with Judy Dalton & Frankie in the Last 8 club at Melbourne Park on Tuesday morning. If so I will try and get a pic with the two of them. Am going to the tennis Mon-Wed night so should be fun. Some interesting match ups are possible. Am enjoying the tennis this year a lot. :)

I couldn't help but see Evonne Goolagong in my mind during the Federer / Tomic match. Federer hit a drop shot that Tomic actually got to and both players were mano-a-mano at the net. Bernie slid a perfect pass down the line past Federer, and didn't he turn half-way and reach out and cock a soft backhand push from well behind him and slide an impossible backhand angle down the line past Tomic for an impossible winner. I remember seeing Evonne contorting this way several times. Just when you think it's impossible and the ball is past them, they become like a rubber band and create a soft touch winner flick and leave the crowd gasping. Even Tomic was shaking his head in disbelief. He had won the point- or so he thought! How about Kim?!? You've got some great matches coming up- I wish I was there, because it's not every year you get the prospect of the top guns going at each other in both the women's and men's draws like this. Pick a winner? I'd say Djokovic looks probably a touch better than anyone else, but definitely beatable at the hands of Nadal/Federer/Murray, and possibly Tsonga. With the girls, if Serena pulls it all together, she's virtually unbeatable, but she hasn't looked sharp yet, just competing well, and sometimes that's all that counts. I doubt Wozniaki will even make the final, but Sharapova and Azarenka look tough. It's much more of a toss-up (IMO) than the men's draw. What a time to be in Melbourne, you lucky duck!

tennisvideos
Jan 22nd, 2012, 07:22 PM
I couldn't help but see Evonne Goolagong in my mind during the Federer / Tomic match. Federer hit a drop shot that Tomic actually got to and both players were mano-a-mano at the net. Bernie slid a perfect pass down the line past Federer, and didn't he turn half-way and reach out and cock a soft backhand push from well behind him and slide an impossible backhand angle down the line past Tomic for an impossible winner. I remember seeing Evonne contorting this way several times. Just when you think it's impossible and the ball is past them, they become like a rubber band and create a soft touch winner flick and leave the crowd gasping. Even Tomic was shaking his head in disbelief. He had won the point- or so he thought! How about Kim?!? You've got some great matches coming up- I wish I was there, because it's not every year you get the prospect of the top guns going at each other in both the women's and men's draws like this. Pick a winner? I'd say Djokovic looks probably a touch better than anyone else, but definitely beatable at the hands of Nadal/Federer/Murray, and possibly Tsonga. With the girls, if Serena pulls it all together, she's virtually unbeatable, but she hasn't looked sharp yet, just competing well, and sometimes that's all that counts. I doubt Wozniaki will even make the final, but Sharapova and Azarenka look tough. It's much more of a toss-up (IMO) than the men's draw. What a time to be in Melbourne, you lucky duck!

Yes it should be great. Leaving shortly for the airport. The only problem is I have the flu and feel like shit :tape::roll eyes: And its going to be super hot! Thank heavens I have seats in the shade but it even gets hot in the shade there. First stop in Melbourne will the the doctors for some antibiotics ...

alfajeffster
Jan 23rd, 2012, 10:33 AM
Yes it should be great. Leaving shortly for the airport. The only problem is I have the flu and feel like shit :tape::roll eyes: And its going to be super hot! Thank heavens I have seats in the shade but it even gets hot in the shade there. First stop in Melbourne will the the doctors for some antibiotics ...

Oh, I know what that heat is like. I saw the Williams sisters' final under a closed roof, as it was 103-110F outside. That was the day I met Margaret Court, as she presented the trophy. I'll never forget there was a raucous group of girls (I should say cows- but I won't) :lol: in front of us, and every time I yelled "GO SERENA!" they countered with their own "GO VENUS!"

Hope you feel better kiddo, have a great time, enjoy and take plenty of pics!

tennisvideos
Jan 26th, 2012, 01:40 AM
Oh, I know what that heat is like. I saw the Williams sisters' final under a closed roof, as it was 103-110F outside. That was the day I met Margaret Court, as she presented the trophy. I'll never forget there was a raucous group of girls (I should say cows- but I won't) :lol: in front of us, and every time I yelled "GO SERENA!" they countered with their own "GO VENUS!"

Hope you feel better kiddo, have a great time, enjoy and take plenty of pics!

Thanks Alfa. Well I have just arrived home and thank heavens for that. Finally starting to feel better after my 3rd day on antibiotics. But I wasn't feeling great in Melbourne. First day I could only stay on Centre Court for 10 mins (even in the shade) as I felt so bad. So went back to hotel room and lay on the bed with the air-con on. Tuesday felt a bit better so watched all the action on Centre Court and met up with Judy Dalton, Frankie, Jessica, Gail Chanfreau and her sister Carol Campling as well as Lesley Turner in the Last 8 Club. Judy signed me in as her guest. That was fun listening to their stories from the past and catching up with them all.

Poor Frankie got sick same time as me and had a bad dose of bronchitis so she was on the same antibiotics as me. I think we may have caught the bug together when she was in Sydney. So we were both trying our best not to laugh as it would make us cough but that was in vain! She said it was the first time in her life she has had a chest infection!

I organised a hit of mixed doubles with my mates and Gail Chanfreau and her sister Carol in Sydney this weekend (weather permitting). They live just 15 minutes down the road when they are in Sydney so that is handy. But the forecast here in Sydney is wet for the next week and it has been raining all day today so not sure it will happen. Gail and Carol are the top couple of players in their age group in the world still and Gail told me she plays EVERY DAY!!!! She is with a new husband but I can't remember his surname - it is her 4th marriage. She is looking mighty fit and adores her tennis still. Apparently she beat Carol in 3 sets in the Quarters of their world champs last year but Carol has beaten her a number of times too so they have an intense rivalry. Gail also plays singles with Frankie in their European team (that won their age group last year).

Judy isn't playing tennis at all really. Her husband passed away about 6 months ago so she is looking to sell the farm they are on in Victoria. She looks good though. She was having a great cackle about the rackets that Frankie used to break on tour with the other girls! Lesley looked trim and fit but never really got much to chat with her as she just wafted by really. We told Lesley we had watched the French 67 Final last week on video and she said "Oh I don't want to see it! I led 4-1 in the final set and then the French Crowd turned against me". Well of course they were going to! lol. One of the girls commented that she was never very friendly.

Anyway, I got to sit with all of them on Centre Court for the Azaranka v Radwanska match and everyone of us was going for Aggie, but to no avail. She just didn't have any weapons to beat Azaranka. Went back to join my friends for the rest of the centre court matches and was great to see Roger playing so beautifully.

Went out for a dinner with Frankie and Jessica that night - they recounted their travels to the Great Barrier Reef and the Twelve Apostles etc and they had the best weather for all of their travels and had a ball in Australia which was great to hear. Then bade them farewell as I was heading back to Sydney the next day. We had such a great time together and they were so sweet to me. They wanted to pay for my dinner again but I wouldn't have it. So then bade them farewell until I make it over to Paris or Wimbledon again one day.

On the final day it was great to catch up with my old friend Mark Topaz who works occasionally for the Tennis Channel and has done a lot of work for a number of broadcasters over the years. Haven't seen him since his last trip down under 9 years ago so that was good. And it was a buzz to meet up with John Dolan who put together the wonderful book on the WTA records and tour from the beginning of the pro-era. It was good to hear how he got started with the WTA tour and working with Kim Clijsters as her Manager for a time before setting up his own consultancy company etc. He was here working with the Tennis Channel as well and I know he has a big year ahead as he is also working on the Olympics at Wimbledon this year.

Here are two pics from the Last 8 Club at the Australian Open. With Judy and Frankie:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigJudy.jpg

With Carol Campling, Judy Dalton, Gail Chanfreau & Frankie Durr:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieCraigCarolJudyGail.jpg

alfajeffster
Jan 26th, 2012, 09:38 AM
Well, I'm glad to hear you're better, and also glad you're home. Nothing beats home, really- especially compared to air conditioned hotel rooms, no matter how nice they are. Hey- you're a cutie! Hows about a rendezvous in San Francisco in 2 weeks? I'll buy the wine (though I mustn't have more than a glass), and we can watch the Super Bowl. I'll show you what a tight end is, and maybe (if you're lucky) a full back!:lol:

I so wanted to see a Clijsters/Kvitova final, but instead, you'll be hearing the screeches of Azarenka/Sharapova all the way up in Sydney. Do you think if enough people petition, they'll close the roof to contain all that vulgar screaming. Monica never screeched in practice, so I wonder if either of these girls does. Well dear, I have the Federer/Nadal match on TV in the bedroom, and need to get back there after I feed the fish and stare at the aquarium for a few more minutes.

GeeTee
Jan 26th, 2012, 10:41 PM
She said it was the first time in her life she has had a chest infection!
And you gave it to her! :lol:

tennisvideos
Jan 27th, 2012, 05:20 AM
And you gave it to her! :lol:

:lol: I think she gave it to me. I noticed her starting to cough the day before she left Sydney. I didn't notice any effects for a few days after that. :tape:

tennisvideos
Jan 27th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Well, I'm glad to hear you're better, and also glad you're home. Nothing beats home, really- especially compared to air conditioned hotel rooms, no matter how nice they are. Hey- you're a cutie! Hows about a rendezvous in San Francisco in 2 weeks? I'll buy the wine (though I mustn't have more than a glass), and we can watch the Super Bowl. I'll show you what a tight end is, and maybe (if you're lucky) a full back!:lol:

I so wanted to see a Clijsters/Kvitova final, but instead, you'll be hearing the screeches of Azarenka/Sharapova all the way up in Sydney. Do you think if enough people petition, they'll close the roof to contain all that vulgar screaming. Monica never screeched in practice, so I wonder if either of these girls does. Well dear, I have the Federer/Nadal match on TV in the bedroom, and need to get back there after I feed the fish and stare at the aquarium for a few more minutes.

Ah yes, being home is the best! LOL about the romp in SF.

I too was hoping for Clijsters and Kvitova ... it shall be fascinating to hear the womens final. Poor old Roger was off key after the silly fireworks break. And Nadal lifted. Ah well ... ce la vie!

alfajeffster
Jan 28th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Ah yes, being home is the best! LOL about the romp in SF.

I too was hoping for Clijsters and Kvitova ... it shall be fascinating to hear the womens final. Poor old Roger was off key after the silly fireworks break. And Nadal lifted. Ah well ... ce la vie!

I get so disgusted with myself when I think a Nadal/Federer match is going to be good. In almost every encounter, Roger is such a head case against Rafa- you can physically see the fight leave his eyes, and he begins to look like a poor little kid at a camp he doesn't want to be at, even when he destroys Nadal in a first set. Rafa actually looks forward to that moment, and usually goes on to win against a withering error-prone Federer. Roger is a total head case against Rafa, and I always end up hating that I let myself watch it happen again. Djokovic is another one- love to watch him play, but he gets on top quickly and dominates, then looks around and realizes it's his for the taking, and begins to spray errors and gets defensive when he should be hitting the gas pedal. One thing's for sure- Sharapova doesn't have this problem, and I think she'll win only because Azarenka is in her first final, and she's got to be nervous and error-prone. Of course, Kvitova blew that theory out of the water at Wimbledon last year, but that was a true rarity. Put you headphones on!

tennisvideos
Jan 29th, 2012, 05:57 AM
I get so disgusted with myself when I think a Nadal/Federer match is going to be good. In almost every encounter, Roger is such a head case against Rafa- you can physically see the fight leave his eyes, and he begins to look like a poor little kid at a camp he doesn't want to be at, even when he destroys Nadal in a first set. Rafa actually looks forward to that moment, and usually goes on to win against a withering error-prone Federer. Roger is a total head case against Rafa, and I always end up hating that I let myself watch it happen again. Djokovic is another one- love to watch him play, but he gets on top quickly and dominates, then looks around and realizes it's his for the taking, and begins to spray errors and gets defensive when he should be hitting the gas pedal. One thing's for sure- Sharapova doesn't have this problem, and I think she'll win only because Azarenka is in her first final, and she's got to be nervous and error-prone. Of course, Kvitova blew that theory out of the water at Wimbledon last year, but that was a true rarity. Put you headphones on!

It was sooooo frustrating watching Roger play Nadal. He does seem to lose the plot doesn't he and get all introverted.

Azaranka surprised me on many levels - she had some defensive shots that Maria didn't have and good footwork etc. Maria kept trying to bash her way out of tricky spots instead of trying to keep the ball in play. Didn't Hingis look beautiful at the presentation! Loved it.

Well I hope Djokovic keeps focussed tonite.

tennisvideos
Jan 29th, 2012, 06:01 AM
Today I had some of my friends come and play mixed with Gail Chanfreau and her sister Carol Campling. Both are current world champions in their age group. Of course Gail won 4 French Open Doubles titles (3 with Frankie). Together they made the Semis of the French Doubles in 1965 so they made a pretty good pair.

It was so much fun today. My friend Peter and I took on the girls and we beat them 6-3 in the battle of the sexes. Gail is super fit and runs around like a teenager. She must be in her late 60s but is in great form still. She still sports the bolo forehand drive and slice backhand. She loved coming to the net all the time which surprised me and she volleys really well.

Then they split up to play a mixed with my two other friends and I think Nick & Gail beat Ben & Carol 7-6. Really great tennis. :)

Here is a pic of myself, Carol, Gail and Peter just after we finished our set. Gail heads back to Paris tomorrow and Carol lives in Sydney and plays lots of tennis in the vets here. Gail plays every day over there and also plays in the same team as Frankie Durr that won the recent European championships over the there last year.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/CraigCarolGailPeter.jpg

alfajeffster
Jan 29th, 2012, 07:37 AM
Today I had some of my friends come and play mixed with Gail Chanfreau and her sister Carol Campling. Both are current world champions in their age group. Of course Gail won 4 French Open Doubles titles (3 with Frankie). Together they made the Semis of the French Doubles in 1965 so they made a pretty good pair.

It was so much fun today. My friend Peter and I took on the girls and we beat them 6-3 in the battle of the sexes. Gail is super fit and runs around like a teenager. She must be in her late 60s but is in great form still. She still sports the bolo forehand drive and slice backhand. She loved coming to the net all the time which surprised me and she volleys really well.

Then they split up to play a mixed with my two other friends and I think Nick & Gail beat Ben & Carol 7-6. Really great tennis. :)

Here is a pic of myself, Carol, Gail and Peter just after we finished our set. Gail heads back to Paris tomorrow and Carol lives in Sydney and plays lots of tennis in the vets here. Gail plays every day over there and also plays in the same team as Frankie Durr that won the recent European championships over the there last year.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/CraigCarolGailPeter.jpg

Great pic! I take it Gail was a baseliner in her heyday. No matter when they discover it, I just love the look in someone's eyes when they discover how great it feels to smack a great volley. There's something to be said for those few seconds of joy when you anticipate a passing shot and move in to cut it off with a firm punch! Oh, I miss that!

I saw most of the Azarenka match, but fell asleep and woke up just in time to see them shake hands at the net. Victoria (I have trouble calling someone with such a beautiful name "Vica"- it sounds like a disposable super compact car you can fit in your pocket) was the much better mover and it seems like Maria had no answer but to hit harder. She just plain got outplayed.

tennisvideos
Jan 29th, 2012, 08:04 AM
Great pic! I take it Gail was a baseliner in her heyday. No matter when they discover it, I just love the look in someone's eyes when they discover how great it feels to smack a great volley. There's something to be said for those few seconds of joy when you anticipate a passing shot and move in to cut it off with a firm punch! Oh, I miss that!

I saw most of the Azarenka match, but fell asleep and woke up just in time to see them shake hands at the net. Victoria (I have trouble calling someone with such a beautiful name "Vica"- it sounds like a disposable super compact car you can fit in your pocket) was the much better mover and it seems like Maria had no answer but to hit harder. She just plain got outplayed.

Yes Gail was indeed a great baseliner and better on the clay. But boy she can volley well! Not sure when she discovered them but she was coming in on most points today.

Yes Victoria is a great name and she really deserved the title and world #1! She has been so consistent this past year.

alfajeffster
Feb 20th, 2012, 01:53 PM
Hey TV- I still can't figure out how import pics here from my IPhoto (images too large), but I did discover they work in my Avatar, which now shows a pic of that Garry from Canberra I was talking about. We met online, and all of his pics must have been at least 10 years old. They were all without glasses, a military-style crew cut, and all taken from the side so as not to notice the cab door ears sticking out or the bucked teeth with spittle accumulating on the sides of his mouth. He was a nice man, but a little deceptive with the image he crafted in my mind. I was my chubby normal self- no surprises. He kept making passes and hitting on me the whole time, and eventually pronounced at lunch toward the end of my visit that I had a fair bit of attitude! :rolleyes: He also had a habit of taking me to his (older) friends' homes like he was showing off his American trophy from the internet, which really made me feel uncomfortable. Needless to say, we haven't kept in touch.:lol:

tennisvideos
Feb 20th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Hey TV- I still can't figure out how import pics here from my IPhoto (images too large), but I did discover they work in my Avatar, which now shows a pic of that Garry from Canberra I was talking about. We met online, and all of his pics must have been at least 10 years old. They were all without glasses, a military-style crew cut, and all taken from the side so as not to notice the cab door ears sticking out or the bucked teeth with spittle accumulating on the sides of his mouth. He was a nice man, but a little deceptive with the image he crafted in my mind. I was my chubby normal self- no surprises. He kept making passes and hitting on me the whole time, and eventually pronounced at lunch toward the end of my visit that I had a fair bit of attitude! :rolleyes: He also had a habit of taking me to his (older) friends' homes like he was showing off his American trophy from the internet, which really made me feel uncomfortable. Needless to say, we haven't kept in touch.:lol:
Oh it's too funny for words the story about Garry and his cab door ears and buck teeth! LOL. How terrifying for you!
About the pics, I first of all EXPORT the pics from IPhoto to a smaller size and save them somewhere else on my computer's hard drive. Then I upload the pics to my Free Photobucket account. Then I just copy the image URL and paste it in here in the post.
I don't know of any other way to upload images in here. If anyone else has some tips I would love to know.
Hope this helps Alfa!

tennisvideos
Feb 20th, 2012, 11:55 PM
Here is a pic from our annual Mardi Gras tournament that we played over the weekend. My doubles partner Ben (right) and I won the Open Doubles title which was a big buzz for us. But the thing of interest in this thread is that we played the final on Court Francoise Durr! All of the courts at the centre are named after former tennis stars and it was a coincidence that we got to play on this one.

The other interesting bit of info was that when we hit with Frankie Durr when she was staying at our place, she gave a tip to Ben about how we play our doubles and he used the tip to help us win against the #1 seeds who we had lost to in the previous tournament. So Frankie Durr featured in this victory on a few levels :)

Ben is on the right with his latest little baby girl Penelope :)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/CraigBenTMGChamps2012.jpg

alfajeffster
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:40 AM
Here is a pic from our annual Mardi Gras tournament that we played over the weekend. My doubles partner Ben (right) and I won the Open Doubles title which was a big buzz for us. But the thing of interest in this thread is that we played the final on Court Francoise Durr! All of the courts at the centre are named after former tennis stars and it was a coincidence that we got to play on this one.

The other interesting bit of info was that when we hit with Frankie Durr when she was staying at our place, she gave a tip to Ben about how we play our doubles and he used the tip to help us win against the #1 seeds who we had lost to in the previous tournament. So Frankie Durr featured in this victory on a few levels :)

Ben is on the right with his latest little baby girl Penelope :)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/CraigBenTMGChamps2012.jpg

Why couldn't Garry have looked like this. I'd even have put up with the baby! Do give my number to Ben, but please make sure his wife doesn't know...:devil: It's going to be really weird if and when I do get back out there. The hotties I used to play doubles with are all in their 30s and 40s now, and I haven't seen most of them in a couple of years. I look like Auschwitz revisited, and they probably have big old beer guts and more children!:lol:

wta_zuperfann
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:56 AM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH.jpg


Back in the day she was not regarded as the best looking or sexiest player on the circuit. But fotos like this prove otherwise. Gorgeous legs, nice hair style, and tasteful costuming. :worship:

Rollo
Feb 24th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Back in the day she was not regarded as the best looking or sexiest player on the circuit. But fotos like this prove otherwise. Gorgeous legs, nice hair style, and tasteful costuming.

Oui, oui, oui!

Francoise had what the French call elan.:) Frankie was stylin..even her pouts and tantrums had a comic flair.

alfajeffster
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:48 PM
Oui, oui, oui!

Francoise had what the French call elan.:) Frankie was stylin..even her pouts and tantrums had a comic flair.

I used to love Nathalie Tauziat when she got angry at herself, a line call, or pretty much anything. I remember Billie Jean commentating at one of Tauziat's matches at Wimbledon the year Nathalie did so well, and Tauziat made a series of errors, then started loudly berating herself in French. Billie Jean just started chuckling, saying "whoa, the French is flying folks!" I can't remember Francoise tantrums, because she played before I was born. :lol:

alfajeffster
Feb 27th, 2012, 06:42 PM
I noticed in your recent pics that her legs had thickened up a bit, and she's having varicose vein problems. I know it's not a subject to breach with a lady (and she certainly is one), but I can totally sympathize. Tennis, especially if you spend years on a hardcourt, is so hard on the calves and very hard on the feet. When I stopped playing, the veins popped out from nowhere, and I've had nothing but foot trouble from all that pounding. If only I could've played on grass the whole time! Clay is okay too but just doesn't suit my net play at all. Interestingly enough, my first tournament win was on Har-Tru against a baseliner. Go figure! Of course, that was when I could count on opponents losing points from gawking at my lovely gams. Too bad I didn't do the Betty Grable thing.

wta_zuperfann
Feb 28th, 2012, 10:17 PM
Oui, oui, oui!

Francoise had what the French call elan.:) Frankie was stylin..even her pouts and tantrums had a comic flair.

All too often people only regard very glamorous women as being beautiful ~ those who wear lots of makeup, expensive jewelry, have very long hair, display much cleavage, and wear open toed spike heels. And while this look is beautiful, to me women who are naturally beautiful - that is, without all those trappings - that are the most beautiful. Frankie certainly fits that ideal. :)

tennisvideos
Feb 29th, 2012, 10:43 AM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH.jpg


Back in the day she was not regarded as the best looking or sexiest player on the circuit. But fotos like this prove otherwise. Gorgeous legs, nice hair style, and tasteful costuming. :worship:

This is one of my all time favourite pics of Frankie! I think she looks stunning in this pic - the legs, the hair, the style! :bounce:

Rollo
Apr 4th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Durr and Gail Sherriff after winning the Western Australian title in Perth, 1967. They won numerous French doubles titles together.

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=11952904&T=P&S=1

tennisvideos
Apr 9th, 2012, 11:36 AM
Durr and Gail Sherriff after winning the Western Australian title in Perth, 1967. They won numerous French doubles titles together.

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=11952904&T=P&S=1

A cute pic thanks Rollo! To think I lived in Perth for 10 years and just a few months ago I had the pleasure of playing doubles with and against Frankie and Gail! Seems like some fantasy dream and I have to pinch myself sometimes to believe it happened. :)

alfajeffster
May 2nd, 2012, 06:27 PM
I only have 2 pics of Frankie- this is one of them. I love the sugar bowl hair- it really frames her face nicely.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/Frankieinthought.jpg

alfajeffster
May 2nd, 2012, 06:31 PM
And here's the other. Hey TV, she's pointing at you with that index finger! Sorry, there is no way for me to know how grainy the pic will post from photobucket. It's a crap shoot. Well, at least you can see the finger.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/FrankieBH2.jpg

alfajeffster
May 2nd, 2012, 06:39 PM
Okay, while I'm at it- let's see if the open cab door ears and bucked teeth (not to mention dirty coke-bottle glasses) translates:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/DSCF0023.jpg

tennisvideos
May 3rd, 2012, 05:25 AM
I only have 2 pics of Frankie- this is one of them. I love the sugar bowl hair- it really frames her face nicely.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/Frankieinthought.jpg

One of my favourite pics of Frankie ... I love her hair in it too. Makes her look much softer. I have this one in colour from one of my tennis books and I treasure it. I will have to scan the colour version in.

I also love the one with her finger down the racket as it really shows her grip in all it's glory. Unbelievable really! Thank the heavens for Frankie and all the unorthodox players! They give me such a buzz.

tennisvideos
May 3rd, 2012, 05:54 AM
Okay, while I'm at it- let's see if the open cab door ears and bucked teeth (not to mention dirty coke-bottle glasses) translates:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/DSCF0023.jpg

Not as bad as what I was expecting lol. I suppose it all depends on what your expectations were and what you were led to believe ;)

alfajeffster
May 3rd, 2012, 11:40 AM
Not as bad as what I was expecting lol. I suppose it all depends on what your expectations were and what you were led to believe ;)

I was shown pictures that were obviously at least 5 years old, all taken without glasses, poses from the side so as to hide the ears, and mouth closed. He actually looked good in those pics, but hell, I looked like Liz Taylor when I was younger, who didn't? It was very deceptive of him to lure me all the way to Australia without benefit of any current photos. I'm still a little peeved, especially since the whole time I spent with him I was fending off advances on a daily basis. I was coming down under for the Aussie Open anyway, but at the end of the week for him to comment that I had "a fair bit of attitude" had me right at the edge of exploding. I couldn't though, in a foreign country, so far from home. And he actually liked Canberra!

tennisvideos
May 3rd, 2012, 01:41 PM
Liking Canberra says it all LOL

tennisvideos
May 7th, 2012, 10:16 AM
I got a beautiful email from my friend and tennis idol Frankie Durr today saying that Jessica (daughter) and her are still talking about their stay with us and the lovely trip in Australia! How sweet. She also said she was busy with Fed Cup and club matches and she won the french championships team event for over 55 years but said it was getting harder as they are all over 60 (Frankie is 68 now).

She included this photo from the International Hall of Fame with Prince Albert giving special rings to legends of the past - Pietrangeli, Nastase and Frankie Durr (standing next to Prince Albert). She sweetly signed off with "Stay well .all my love and give a pat to the dogs.Frankie".
Made my day :)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/tennisvideos/FrankieDurrPrinceAlbert2012.jpg

alfajeffster
May 11th, 2012, 11:28 PM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/DSCF0022.jpg

In fatter days. It was 103F and the roof was closed for the 2003 Williams sisters final (Serena's first of 5 titles there so far)

tennisvideos
May 12th, 2012, 12:34 PM
That's a great pic Alfa. Yes, I played tennis with Frankie there when it was a scorching 46 degrees Celcius one day - that is 115 degrees!!!!! We could only play for 10 minutes it was sooooooo hot. And afterwards we were standing in queue for a courtesy car and she had all these flies buzzing around her and I said "it must be your French perfume" and she replied "I'm not wearing any"!!!! LOL

Rollo
Jun 3rd, 2013, 10:18 PM
Bumping this up because it has a picture of Jeff and I wonder what Tennis Videos is up to these days.