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TeeRexx
Dec 27th, 2001, 01:31 PM
The recent defeat of Capriati by ANNA KOURNIKOVA may be the prelude of that title that ANNA and her fans have been waiting for her to achieve.

Defeating the #2, even in exhibition, is a very good sign for ANNA and it may also show that we should not expect the same from Cappy in 2002 that we did this year.

TR <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

brickhousesupporter
Dec 27th, 2001, 01:54 PM
I couldn't agree more, but the last lost Capriati had was to Anna last year and after that she was on fire. Maybe she was hoping to capture the lightning in a bottle for the second time.

the cat
Dec 27th, 2001, 03:51 PM
Nice to hear from you again, TeeRexx! I don't think Anna playing well in an exhibition has any carry over to the tremendous pressure she faces on the WTA tour. Just like I don't think Seles crushing Kournikova 6-2 6-2 in the Denver exhibition will have any carry over to the WTA tour. Anna is under so much pressure to win that first WTA title, that she has to feel the pressure. She is only human afterall. The good news is that Anna didn't get injured in any of these exhibition matches.

[ December 27, 2001: Message edited by: the cat in the hat ]</p>

Williams Rulez
Dec 27th, 2001, 03:57 PM
Exhibitions are pressureless, we will have to see how she fares in real tournaments with pressure first before making any decisions. Best of luck to her.

Jovon
Dec 27th, 2001, 04:23 PM
Agree. Exhibitions are way different, so we will see. I hope Anna has a sucessful year, tho.

Steff_forever2
Dec 27th, 2001, 04:50 PM
No.<br />As Williams_Rulez said: a tour event, especially a tierI or II or a GS gives pressure. Anna plays not constant enough to draw some of that play out of that exibit into a tour-match against a top-player.

Sorry, Anna-fans. But a QF or perhaps the SF at the AO/2002 is not impossible.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 27th, 2001, 05:41 PM
I'm sure Anna will be back in top 20 around time of Clay Season, and definately when clay season is over.

Goolagong
Dec 27th, 2001, 05:56 PM
Although the win may help Anna's confidence a bit I really don't see any exhibition match as relevant to the upcoming year. I am sure JenCAP was tired after a grueling season and is saving her energy for matches that really count. I think Jen is going to take the Aussie Open '02 and kick everybody's booty!

veryborednow
Dec 27th, 2001, 06:00 PM
Nah mate. Jen hadn't even started to train yet. It'd be like competing against a player ranked near 75 ... oh, no wait. She did <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Meesh
Dec 27th, 2001, 07:07 PM
I think people are putting to much emphasis on the "Anna Exhibition World Tour". I went to the Jenn vs. Anna one and it WASN'T "Top Quality" tennis. They would of both played differently if this was a Tier I or II final! <br />Jenn and Anna both served poorly. <br />The line calls were really bad.<br />Jenn didn't seem into it at all.

We will just have to wait and see what happens down under for the next month to see what level she and all the other players are at!!

Kart
Dec 27th, 2001, 07:42 PM
I don't doubt that Anna can and will repeat her victory over Jen at some point in the future.

I have a strange feeling though that just as her victory over Jen came when we least expected it, her first title victory will be again be an surprise one as she tends to crumble big time under the weight of expectation.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 28th, 2001, 07:53 AM
Anna has always done well against Jenn.

Granted they hadn't played since Jenn went through her transformation this year - but in the past she usually seems to find a way to beat (sometimes crush) Jenn.

I wouldnt read too much into it.

For either player.

thefreedesigner
Dec 28th, 2001, 10:21 AM
This is nothing for Jen, and she will pay it no mind.

If it gives Anna continued confidence in getting back her match tightness and playing the game that she can.

brickhousesupporter
Dec 28th, 2001, 01:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kart:<br /><strong>I have a strange feeling though that just as her victory over Jen came when we least expected it, her first title victory will be again be an surprise one as she tends to crumble big time under the weight of expectation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have a feeling Anna will win the tournament that she entered in Jan. It will not be a suprise because alot of tennis insiders have speculated that Anna entered the tournament(tier IV) to get the first title demons off of her back.

xcrtbckhnd
Dec 28th, 2001, 02:02 PM
I agree that we should not put so much weight on the exhibition match as if the win had happened in a tour event, but a win against the #2 player in the world is still significant and a good sign for Anna. I also was at the match and although Jen looked a little sloppy, I thought that Anna actually played wel, keeping her UE's down and only double faulting once. The line calls were bad, but still a nice result that I am sure Anna feels good about. <br />Here's their head to head if anyone is interested in regular tour events:

Jennifer CAPRIATI (USA) v Anna KOURNIKOVA (RUS) <br /> <br />1999 Amelia Island Clay (O) 32 Anna KOURNIKOVA 3-6 3-6 <br />2000 Sydney Hard (O) 16 Anna KOURNIKOVA 4-6 5-7 <br />2000 Zurich Hard (I) QF Jennifer CAPRIATI 7-6(4) 6-4 <br />2000 W.T.A. Tour Championships Carpet (I) 16 Anna KOURNIKOVA 4-6 4-6 <br /> <br />Anna KOURNIKOVA (RUS) leads 3 : 1

Interesting that all matches were straight sets, as was Anna's win in the exhibition. I can't wait to see Anna's results in Auckland and I hope that she does really well! Even if she doesn't win the title, I think a semi-final or even final result would be great!!! GO ANNA!!!!!

Kart
Dec 28th, 2001, 07:22 PM
brickhousesupporter, I also expect Anna to win that tier IV.

However, at the same time, if she suffers some shock defeat I won't be all that surprised either - although I will be sad for her.

TeeRexx
Dec 29th, 2001, 02:06 AM
Hey, when Seles beat a flu burdened SERENA in Tokyo, many fans raved about it as a great victory for Monica.

I think Cappy has tailed off after the big year that she had in 2001.

TR <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2001, 07:30 AM
Yes, Capriati tailed off after winning the French Open. She tailed off by making the semis of the two last slams, and consistently making the final 4 of other tournaments.

However, due to her incredible form before the French Open, this was indeed - tailing off.

Thankyou, for pointing out something, that was alreayd blatently obvious.

By they way - was Serena really sick with the flu? I thought Monica beat a healthy Serena?

SErena seems to suffer many ailments - poor girl <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> I have to same problem, but it doesnt matter much seeing as I'm not a pro athlete with thousands judging me.

Kart
Dec 29th, 2001, 08:25 PM
Serena was healthy enough to win the Tokyo tournament the next week so I doubt she was that flu-burdened.

Of course it was a great breakthrough victory for Monica - you can see how she built on it by beating a healthy Serena the next time they played ...

Hopefully Anna can do the same <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

As for Capriati, she really only tailed off in the sense that she didn't win the next two slams, but she did reach the semis of both beating some good players on the way so it's not all bad news. It will be interesting to see how she does next year.

Shane54
Dec 30th, 2001, 12:14 AM
Boy, I can tell Tee Rex is back from the WTA. Congrats to Anna is her "exhibition" win. I doubt if a Williams loses an exhibition Tee would be calling it a "smackdown". We will all be hearing "Oh, but it was just an exhibition or bla, bla, whine, whine or Serena was sick, Venus hadnt practiced enough....bla, bla....set it to music....tiddy boom....

Vanity
Dec 30th, 2001, 12:31 AM
I, for one, think it is rather pathetic that players who are still under the age rule play more than Venus and Serena. Personally, I am sick of them pulling out of events for stupid reasons. I am also tired of their excuses whenever they lose a match. I also don't like how they always use their race to their advantage. God forbid you say anything bad about them, then you get labelled a racist. I am black, and I would never use my race to an advantage the way they do. Anyway that's what I think about them.

getting off my soap box...

the cat
Dec 30th, 2001, 01:08 AM
Vanity, wow! Starting off with a bang, I see! I hope you enjoy this board. May I ask what brought you here?

Becca, It's too bad you're sick alot. I hope you feel better in 2002!

TeeRexx
Dec 30th, 2001, 02:12 AM
becca,cart,shane & vanity - That great U.S. Open run of SERENA'S and the final still stuck in your throats? Oh well, such is life.

Once again, congrats to ANNA on her bg win.

TR <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Infiniti2001
Dec 30th, 2001, 02:39 AM
[quote] I also don't like how they always use their race to their advantage. God forbid you say anything bad about them, then you get labelled a racist. I am black, and I would never use my race to an advantage the way they do. Anyway that's what I think about them. <hr></blockquote>

I 've pretty much followed Venus & Serena from the time they came on the tour, and not once have I heard or read any of their interviews where they used race to their advantage... Maybe I missed an interview here or there, so could you please post the URL or tell me where I can find them using race as advantage ??? Not that I expect you will find any ...

P.S. Like Lindsay said just before the Chase, Venus and Rena are self -employed , so it's up to them to decide when to show up for work. They play less than practically the whole tour yet they ended up #1 & #3 on the earnings list <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/tennis/wta-earnings.htm" target="_blank">2001 WTA Earnings</a> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

CB
Dec 30th, 2001, 02:41 AM
Sincerely, I'm not the hugest Anna fan, but I would love to see her on the top of her game.<br />I'm pretty sure she will upset some big babes at the Feb-May tournaments!<br />While Caprati.........

Go Anna! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Kart
Dec 30th, 2001, 02:45 AM
Not really TeeRex <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> - is the fact that Monica was able to beat Serena stuck in yours <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I'm only sorry Serena couldn't finish her it of with a win in the final - it would have been a huge step for her to beat her sister on the big stage.

Still Venus was a worthy winner <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> - as were Monica and Anna.

Vanity
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:07 AM
Serena and Venus rely too much on power and luck. They are very hit and miss. Their games have no strategy whatsoever. When they are having a good day, their opponent doesn't have a chance (ex: Serena vs. Martina, this year's US Open) but on a bad day, it can be a disaster (ex: Venus vs. Martina, 2001 aussie open). Unless they begin to play more, they will never win the grand slam because they will always be short on preperation at the start of the year.

You know, maybe if they played more, didn't pull out of tournaments and were more gracious in defeat I would respect them more. I do believe they use their race to their advantage. The Sisters take advantage of the fact that people are afraid to say anything bad about them. I think if any white player pulled out with bad excuses as often as they do, that player would be punished more severely. But, if they punished Serena or Venus like that (say, took off some ranking points or gave them a suspension or took away prize me or something), then it'd be "racist" you see. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <br />And they totally take advantage of that. It doesn't take a scholar to figure that out.

<br />Cat in the hat, I decided to post here because the season is starting, and I want to get back into the swing of things! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Haven't seen you much on the Anna K board lately!

[ December 29, 2001: Message edited by: Vanity ]</p>

cheeky
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:13 AM
well,i can understand when your saying about being more graciuos in defeat towards serena but tell me when venus has not been gracious in defeat this year?she always acknowledges the fact that when she losses it's because the other player was playing well.

Shane54
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:20 AM
Well last time I checked Jenn has won more Grand Slams and holds a 4-2 advantage over Rena not to mention 3-1 in 2001..So, no! Rena's run is not stuck in my throat.... <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" />

Infiniti2001
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:30 AM
[quote] Serena and Venus rely too much on power and luck. <hr></blockquote>

<br />Here "we" go again.... How come those who complain about power tennis always only point to Venus & Serena, whereas Lindsay, Monica, Kim, Jennifer to name a few rely on their power as well??

<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Vanity
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:30 AM
Shane: You are right, Jen's grand slam record and her record vs. Serena speaks for itself. I don't see anything for us to be jealous over <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I should also say, being a black girl myself, I have tons of respect for Chanda Rubin, Zina Garrison and Lori McNeil. I think they are better role models than the Williams sisters. They have class.

Shane54
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:35 AM
Hey Vanity: I happen to live in the same city as Chanda Rubin..Lafayette, La...She works out at the same gym I do.. Sometimes I get to watch her practice...She is very quiet and reserved so I really havent got a chance to chat <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Vanity
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:41 AM
Hey Shane, that's very cool, to see Chanda at the gym <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> She seems like a very nice and kind person. I know she donates a lot of her time and money to charity as well!<br />Unfortunately, she seems to be injury prone.. she'll do something great (like 96 Aussie open semis, or just the great year she had in 2000) and then go through a long injury spell <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> Hopefully she stays fit for 2002!

moby
Dec 30th, 2001, 06:11 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Vanity:<br /><strong>I, for one, think it is rather pathetic that players who are still under the age rule play more than Venus and Serena. Personally, I am sick of them pulling out of events for stupid reasons. I am also tired of their excuses whenever they lose a match. I also don't like how they always use their race to their advantage. God forbid you say anything bad about them, then you get labelled a racist. I am black, and I would never use my race to an advantage the way they do. Anyway that's what I think about them.

getting off my soap box...</strong><hr></blockquote>

<br />Agree!!!

However I'm more forgiving towards Serena, somehow <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

cynicole
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:27 PM
Other players also pull out of events for suspicious reasons. Other players make lame comments when they lose a match. It's just that they don't have a spotlight thrust on them the way Venus and Serena do.

As for race - some people subscribe to "working with what you have." I did theatre stuff before...and I always got cast in the ethnic roles or kiddie bits (because I'm short). And some people try to nail you on race too (I know I got nailed) so why not go the other way?

Personally, I'm no fan of it. I'm a minority and the first time I applied to college I checked the "face/ethnicity" box. I kept getting all these mailings about cultural events I wasn't interested in and I got the feeling that the school accepted me for the statistic I provided them with.

When I submitted a transfer application this year, I didn't check any of the boxes. They accepted me...and now it feels like I got in fair and square.

Williams Rulez
Dec 30th, 2001, 04:48 PM
Why has this become a Venus and Serena thread? The focus of this thread is Anna honeys <img src="smile.gif" border="0">