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Alenyaa
Feb 2nd, 2005, 03:19 PM
Yesterdaynight i've heared some very awkward news for all of Lena's Belgian fans... She decided not to come and play in Antwerp or in Belgium anymore because of what happened in Charleroi... That means all of her Belgian, and Flemish fans in particular, will not have the possibility to see her play 'in real life' anymore. Not in the neighbourhood, that is. She finds that our Belgian national authorities made an inexcusable mistake by releasing the news which eventually turned out to be a storm in a glass of water.

And you know, I can't blame her for her decision at all, I mean, her name has been directly connected to doping, to cheating... You'ld be furious for less.

But somewhere Ive got this feeling that her decision is not completely fair towards us, her fans.
I'll explain:
Belgium is a federal state, as you know or do not know, and consists of 2 regions: Flanders and Wallonia. Both regions have their own government under supervision of our national government, but both have absolute freedom to make decisions, etc. concerning their own regions. Both therefor have their own parliaments and ministers, including one of Sports.
Charleroi lays in the south of Belgium, meaning Wallonia. When the alledged use of doping was published, it was the Wallonian minister of Sports who published this. He announced that one of the players had taken efidrine, but that it wasn't Henin Hardenne. (You guessed it, she's Wallonian.)

But what is the clue of all this, I hear you ask. I am saying that neither the Belgian national government nor the Flemish government had anything to do with the publication of what happened in Charleroi. The Wallonian minister of sports acted on his own, in the name of the Wallonian government which didn't even give permsion to release the news yet.

Bob Verbeeck, who is Antwerp's tournament manager, had tried to convince her of what I just told you guys, but to no avail.

As I said, I can't blame her for her decision because playing clean and fair has always been one of her priorities, a priority that by the actions of a single individual has been severely damaged.
But somewhere, the Flemish tennisfans kind of feel themselves as the victim of all this. It's like when your bigger brother has broken something and puts the blame on you. Your parents are mad at you, eventhough you've done nothing wrong. That's kind of how we feel...

Sceptics just say tha Lena simply doesn't understand our country's structure and therefor just blames the entire Belgian government. I need not say that those people are not being taken seriously here, I suppose.
It's not because federalism is not known in Russia that she wouldn't understand it.
But somewhere, it just doesn't seem fair that she simply ignores it and made the decision she made... Because that makes the vitims of this entire history...

You guys have an opinion on this?
Note that I'm still as much as a fan of Lena as I always was, this has changed nothing for me, I just wish she would change her mind about the matter. :)

Zoltan83
Feb 2nd, 2005, 03:42 PM
Elena :sad:
I wanted to see her :sad:

Alenyaa
Feb 2nd, 2005, 03:48 PM
More or less a cry like this, you mean :bigcry:
:)

Paco
Feb 2nd, 2005, 06:53 PM
Well, I'm really sorry that you can't see her in your country. But, you know, I understand Lena that she doesn't want to come here.
Meybe if she thought about this she'd come to Belgium in next year.

Dementieva-fan
Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:11 PM
Well...she won't be near to me aswel...

Mathijs
Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:58 PM
Well...she won't be near to me aswel...
Well Groningen hasn't got any luck :( (if i'm correct then you are from the same province (Groningen) as me ;)), hopefully will they get their on Wta tourney someday, at least they got a ATP Challenger tournament :yeah:

Dementinator
Feb 2nd, 2005, 08:07 PM
I am sure Lena will play in Belgium again ,she has to have a week or so off ,so i am confident she wiull be back in Belgium soon ,I have the Nav charts for the SS Dementieva here and they clearly show Belgium!!
The SS Dementieva wiill be back there!! mark my words!!

Ronaldo777
Feb 2nd, 2005, 11:17 PM
i understand the decision.

cerbero
Feb 3rd, 2005, 12:48 AM
Donīt understand her decision. She should go and show how great she his. I'm disapointed...

Veritas
Feb 3rd, 2005, 05:30 AM
Yesterdaynight i've heared some very awkward news for all of Lena's Belgian fans... She decided not to come and play in Antwerp or in Belgium anymore because of what happened in Charleroi... That means all of her Belgian, and Flemish fans in particular, will not have the possibility to see her play 'in real life' anymore. Not in the neighbourhood, that is. She finds that our Belgian national authorities made an inexcusable mistake by releasing the news which eventually turned out to be a storm in a glass of water.

And you know, I can't blame her for her decision at all, I mean, her name has been directly connected to doping, to cheating... You'ld be furious for less.

But somewhere Ive got this feeling that her decision is not completely fair towards us, her fans.
I'll explain:
Belgium is a federal state, as you know or do not know, and consists of 2 regions: Flanders and Wallonia. Both regions have their own government under supervision of our national government, but both have absolute freedom to make decisions, etc. concerning their own regions. Both therefor have their own parliaments and ministers, including one of Sports.
Charleroi lays in the south of Belgium, meaning Wallonia. When the alledged use of doping was published, it was the Wallonian minister of Sports who published this. He announced that one of the players had taken efidrine, but that it wasn't Henin Hardenne. (You guessed it, she's Wallonian.)

But what is the clue of all this, I hear you ask. I am saying that neither the Belgian national government nor the Flemish government had anything to do with the publication of what happened in Charleroi. The Wallonian minister of sports acted on his own, in the name of the Wallonian government which didn't even give permsion to release the news yet.

Bob Verbeeck, who is Antwerp's tournament manager, had tried to convince her of what I just told you guys, but to no avail.

As I said, I can't blame her for her decision because playing clean and fair has always been one of her priorities, a priority that by the actions of a single individual has been severely damaged.
But somewhere, the Flemish tennisfans kind of feel themselves as the victim of all this. It's like when your bigger brother has broken something and puts the blame on you. Your parents are mad at you, eventhough you've done nothing wrong. That's kind of how we feel...

Sceptics just say tha Lena simply doesn't understand our country's structure and therefor just blames the entire Belgian government. I need not say that those people are not being taken seriously here, I suppose.
It's not because federalism is not known in Russia that she wouldn't understand it.
But somewhere, it just doesn't seem fair that she simply ignores it and made the decision she made... Because that makes the vitims of this entire history...

You guys have an opinion on this?
Note that I'm still as much as a fan of Lena as I always was, this has changed nothing for me, I just wish she would change her mind about the matter. :)

This issue was covered in depth in the GM section, and some of the points posters made there were good.

Belgium is a small country and to be honest, it's not nearly as well known as stronger European powers such as France and Germany. So Eerdekens may have been a regional politician rather than a national one. And Belgium may be a country divided into two regions that's thinly disguised as a single nation. But not many people would be aware of this and just as many people would not be bothered to make that distinction. Unfortunately, Belgium is such a small country, it's far easier to make a big deal out of one politician's incompetence than, say, the U.S. where people are more aware of what goes on in this country. I didn't even know what the capital of Belgium was until Kim and Justine began making their mark on the tennis world :o My point is that Elena would be too upset and flustered by what happened less than a month ago to start spending her time observing what had happened in the Belgian political scene.

And besides, even though Belgian fans may think that the drug allegation scandal should not be important enough to deter Elena from playing in Antwerp, it may not be the case with Elena herself. You may think it's unfair to you that Elena won't be travelling to Belgium, but what about Elena's feelings? Wouldn't she feel angry and annoyed at having been falsely implicated in a drug scandal? Wouldn't she feel betrayed by the actions of Belgian authorities whom many were incompetent enough to not do anything significant to stop Eerdekens from making such a big PR mess out of the issue? And because of the irresponsibility of the authorities, Elena would feel cautious and avoid making trips to Belgium for a while. Of course, I'm not suggesting that every Belgian politician is as foolish as Eerdekens was, but in Elena's POV, obviously the incident was such a damaging experience, she wouldn't take any chances.

I understand what you're trying to bring across, but if I was a Belgian, I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this incident (Elena skipping Antwerp) because she never said anything about a permanent boycott of the country or the tournament...

Prizeidiot
Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:05 AM
Well, you can't blame her if that's the reason, but how do we know that's her reason? Could just be she has a busy schedule already, or shes tired, or she needs to give injuries a rest, and doesn't want to pull out of a Tier I.

Alenyaa
Feb 3rd, 2005, 04:43 PM
Don't get me wrong Mushashino, as I said I can understand her decision and I can't and would not blame her for it. :) And neither do I think that the matter is of insignificant importance, nobody here does. I understand her feelings and I honestly would be the last person not to take her feelings into consideration regarding this matter. I know that she's upset and angry, she's got all the reasons to be. I would be so as well.

I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to say, saves me the effort of having to try and re-explain it in English. :)
But I don't feel like I am making a drama out of it, it wasn't my intention if I made it seem differently :)
I just think her reaction is a little harsh, given the fact that she undoubtedly understands how our country works after Verbeeck's explanation. But on the other hand I can understand that, as you said, she is cautious about Belgium at the moment.

Conclusion: I'm not at all angry with her, might you have got that impression, I'm just a little bit disappointed that she overlooks the political circomstances. But on the otherhand I can understand that she was too upset to have taken it into consideration while having made her decision.
And again, this entire matter hasn't made me any less of a fan of hers. What kind of fan would I be then? :)

There is no doubt in my mind that she will change her mind about Flanders in time, when this all will be nothing but a memory.
(BTW, where exactly in the GM section was it treated? I've looked but can't find it.)

Ronaldo777
Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:31 PM
i'd do the same as lena.thats her life and name being messed with.imagine if u were accused of something like this wrongly.i would be pissed.people in drugs stories are tarnished forever.imagine if lena win at roland garros or us and her win was tarnished cos of this.it's a lot of hassel and bad memories to go to belgium when it's not very important tourny.she'll go back sometime

Alenyaa
Feb 4th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Indeed, that's why I understand her decision :)

Veritas
Feb 5th, 2005, 07:16 AM
Don't get me wrong Mushashino, as I said I can understand her decision and I can't and would not blame her for it. :) And neither do I think that the matter is of insignificant importance, nobody here does. I understand her feelings and I honestly would be the last person not to take her feelings into consideration regarding this matter. I know that she's upset and angry, she's got all the reasons to be. I would be so as well.

I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to say, saves me the effort of having to try and re-explain it in English. :)
But I don't feel like I am making a drama out of it, it wasn't my intention if I made it seem differently :)
I just think her reaction is a little harsh, given the fact that she undoubtedly understands how our country works after Verbeeck's explanation. But on the other hand I can understand that, as you said, she is cautious about Belgium at the moment.

Conclusion: I'm not at all angry with her, might you have got that impression, I'm just a little bit disappointed that she overlooks the political circomstances. But on the otherhand I can understand that she was too upset to have taken it into consideration while having made her decision.
And again, this entire matter hasn't made me any less of a fan of hers. What kind of fan would I be then? :)

There is no doubt in my mind that she will change her mind about Flanders in time, when this all will be nothing but a memory.
(BTW, where exactly in the GM section was it treated? I've looked but can't find it.)

Here's the link to the thread I was talking about: http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=150305&page=1&pp=40

It's an interesting read :)

And cheers to you as well. I'm glad you understand Elena's decision :) Unfortunately a few people in the thread from the link above aren't nearly as open-minded :o

KournikovaRULES
Feb 8th, 2005, 12:29 PM
aww im sorry. its sad that because iof the stupid belgian federation her fans will be sad :(

Alenyaa
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:15 PM
And cheers to you as well. I'm glad you understand Elena's decision :) Unfortunately a few people in the thread from the link above aren't nearly as open-minded :o

Thnx m8! :)

And you weren't kidding about that thread, my god. I mean, it's true that her decision is kind of harsh on us, I kinda feel that way too but it's not the world. Why can't they understand that this entire matter is an enourmous emotional thing she has to deal with? It's not like she's a machine that can just put her emotions aside, now is it? I don't understand how you can be a true fan of Elena without caring for her emotions regarding this entire matter. :mad:

Paco
Feb 8th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Thnx m8! :)

And you weren't kidding about that thread, my god. I mean, it's true that her decision is kind of harsh on us, I kinda feel that way too but it's not the world. Why can't they understand that this entire matter is an enourmous emotional thing she has to deal with? It's not like she's a machine that can just put her emotions aside, now is it? I don't understand how you can be a true fan of Elena without caring for her emotions regarding this entire matter. :mad:

Exactly.

Alenyaa
Feb 9th, 2005, 06:35 PM
And I mean 'the end of the world' of course :)