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Car Key Boi
Jan 25th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Yuo worship A DEAD LEFTY JEWISH HIPPIE

greatest.troll.evah.

that is all

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 25th, 2005, 09:18 PM
CKB, I can't believe it. You sound like you have reasoning skills ;)

Oleh
Jan 25th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I respect their right to do that.
I just dont respect it when they try and make others (esp Jews) do it too.
Ill keep to my one g-d and they can keep to theirs.


(But yes..I do find that Ironic..dont get me started about that lefty Jew...as I said I respect their right to believe in him;) :))

Lord Nelson
Jan 25th, 2005, 10:18 PM
You are right Olen, that's why I don't respect Jews in Israel getting so much U.S. aid. It should be tit for tat! Christians don't give to Jews and Jews don't give to Christians!

Crazy Canuck
Jan 25th, 2005, 11:59 PM
CKB, :haha:

PhoenixStorm
Jan 26th, 2005, 12:23 AM
but wouldnt jewish people want to worship a jewish messiah? I never quite got what the whole big deal is since jesus was jewish.


I feel sorry for people trapped by religion my parents taught me the difference between having faith in myths like christianity and having faith in your own abilities and skills and your family.

its funny people claim god does miracles when something great happens but dont say anything when a tsunami wipes out over 200,000 people. Um didnt god do that too? You can have it both ways.

I also love when people say god saved their little girl from their burning house and I'm like, um, didnt that fireman risk his life by going in there and getting that little girl out? Shouldnt you be thanking him?

Lord Nelson
Jan 26th, 2005, 12:39 AM
but wouldnt jewish people want to worship a jewish messiah? I never quite got what the whole big deal is since jesus was jewish.


I feel sorry for people trapped by religion my parents taught me the difference between having faith in myths like christianity and having faith in your own abilities and skills and your family.

its funny people claim god does miracles when something great happens but dont say anything when a tsunami wipes out over 200,000 people. Um didnt god do that too? You can have it both ways.

I also love when people say god saved their little girl from their burning house and I'm like, um, didnt that fireman risk his life by going in there and getting that little girl out? Shouldnt you be thanking him?

With Jesus, he was a Jew but Christians worship him for his message. They do so for who he is not what he is. Also I'm curious to know if your Dad believes in a God, spirit, buddha, astrology, witchcraft or some sect etc....If this is the case than your Dad is a wise guy. If not then I suggest that he reviews what he just told you.
I'm an atheist but I like the Christian message, as well Buddhism and hinduism (minus the caste system). But I don't believe in anything spiritual.

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 05:50 AM
You are right Olen, that's why I don't respect Jews in Israel getting so much U.S. aid. It should be tit for tat! Christians don't give to Jews and Jews don't give to Christians!

Oh you are being sarcastic arnt you!!(You dont need reminding of the other thread!)
Well when the US gives to Israel it gives to Ba'haiis
When it gives to Saudi Arabi it gives to lets see..just Muslims
When we give to America we give to Budhists.

How am I right? My remark had nothing to do with what you said.That remark of yours sounds horrible! Like in the apartheid days..Whites shouldnt associate with Blacks nor Blacks with whites...yeah that kind of isolation will work. Should we go back to our Ghettos? Its 2005.

And if your meaning actual Jews not our secular state of Jeiwsh charachter and the US State which is not alligned with any religion officialy,
Well we gave xtians
A)Their Messiah
B) Their "Old testement" decoration whcih I dont know why they have since they never follow any thing in it anyway
C)Their foundation of religion (Which i guess is the above two)

Without Jews xtians simply would not exist. Strange eh?

You wana play tit for tat? Again you are being sarcastic arent you? We gave them all this and they gave us a millenia of religous persecution (Spanish inquesitions and Russian pogroms to crusades where it was convert or die to burnings at the steak to forced conversions of holocaust children "saved" by the cathiloc church uneder pius to repeated denunciation and second class if that treatment and today what do they give us? Missionaries who are trying to kill off any last reminants of Judaism the Shoah, pogroms and crusades and inquesitions didnt murder by taking Jews away from Judaism and to their religon of only 2000 years which is the complete opposite to Judaism which has been alive and kicking (Just) for 5000 years. Tit for tat????????? I'll go warm up the fires im going to "roast some pork" eh? No they have a right to their religion, but not when it murders and uses underhanded tactics raping their religion on others. We have a right to ours, which we keep to ourselves and hope one day for the same in return.

We give them existance and they try to take ours. How noble.
Hmm Why we dont believe in Jesus, cause he is a foreign concept to us nothing to do with our religion. Our messiah is nothing to do with what he did or didnt do..well with what he didnt do. Also xtianity has bad mistranslations which aids it to claim its from judaism..its way off. since when did our word for "Young woman" become "Virgin"?...thats news to me and my family have been speaking Hebrew for 5000 years! www.jewsforjudaism.com ...its able to sum up why we dont believe their beliefs.


"its funny people claim god does miracles when something great happens but dont say anything when a tsunami wipes out over 200,000 people. Um didnt god do that too? You can have it both ways."

What really? Were you in Shul last Yom Shabbat? Yes we do say things about that. To us it makes sense. It was an act of g-d. everything is to us. It may seem bad but we are not g-d to decide. Life on earth is only a portion of the eternal souls life. We arnt told what to believe about it we are presented with theories which we can take or leave and I have adopted one. Im not going to explain as you dont have the same beliefs so there is no point. Which you are entitled to as are we with ours.

"I also love when people say god saved their little girl from their burning house and I'm like, um, didnt that fireman risk his life by going in there and getting that little girl out? Shouldnt you be thanking him?"
To religious people we see it differently. Briefly, what if the fire truck broke down? Or the fireman was killed before he could save her? Or she died of smoke inhalation. The fireman was a tool and the scenartio was a "learning experience". It was his will that she should live. Again thats our perspective.

Thats my perspective and I understand yours. Now I hope you do see my perspective too and I dont care if you agree just aslong as you see. (Judaisms not a missionary Religion so we aint trying to convince you one way or another, its just lack of empathy has bad effects. We see your side so please see ours. Sounds fair?)

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:30 AM
speaking of Pius and the Jews:

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0095.html

JenFan75
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:34 AM
I would love to hear LindsayRocks89's annoying Christian opinions on this matter.

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:27 AM
speaking of Pius and the Jews:

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0095.html

Lmao..right.
No sorry theres too much evidence to say the NAZIS wanted to kidnapp him (Hitler thought he could get more control) and pius activly standing by and doing nothing and co-operating with false overtones with the NAZIS. Cathiloc history tends to be one sided;)...theres a good book at work somewhere about the churches role. Not Jewish or Cathiloc but it has impressive foot notes.
That wasnt the point raised, Im talking about the "encouragement" for Jews to be converted whilst in the loving hiding of Cathilocs. My own immediate family should know ;)

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:35 AM
all I know is Catholics today in general stand for liberty and freedom against the totalitarian secular State and it's seen a great in deal in education (what kids learn in a governemnt schools as opposed to a Catholic school)...so people can bash the Catholics all they want but the Church will remain an important ally aganist the Luciferian forces...

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:42 AM
I know cathilocs are nice people, I have some in my family. And mosty Cathilocs I know are very pro israel. This is evident when I go overseas and get invited to dinner with them and we talk.
Being pro Israel dosnt mean you support the occupation. I dont support it but im pro Israel just like mosy Cathilocs i know in person.

DunkMachine
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:45 AM
I know cathilocs are nice people, I have some in my family. And mosty Cathilocs I know are very pro israel. This is evident when I go overseas and get invited to dinner with them and we talk.
Being pro Israel dosnt mean you support the occupation. I dont support it but im pro Israel just like mosy Cathilocs i know in person.
Well I guess we know where the problem lies.

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Well I guess we know where the problem lies.

:lol: the Netherlands could use some Catholic morality

Lord Nelson
Jan 26th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Yes, I saw some of your other threads too. So pooooor Jews were persecuted by the evil Catholics. Bouuuhouuu let me take my hankie out I got tears in my eyes. Well were they the only ones???Romans persecuted Christians, Armenians were targeted by Turks, Hutus tried to kill off Tutsis. WW2 did not only have Jews as victims but also Poles, Gypsies, Russians etc...
You say why should Jews give to Catholic charities. In that case why the heck should Christians feel any concern for Jews? There should be cooperation not charity. On top of that you have the nerve to make fun of other religions. I can play your childish game too. Look at those poooor orthodox Jews who have those ridiculous sideburns and who don't like Christians, Muslims and I guess most people in the world. I'm actually pro-Israeli as you saw from my previous posts but my patience runs out when I talk with people like you.

"Sluggy"
Jan 26th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Lord Nelson - i hope you enjoyed the nice rep i left you. if you wonder why, reread your post: "Look at those poooor orthodox Jews who have those ridiculous sideburns and who don't like Christians, Muslims and I guess most people in the world. I'm actually pro-Israeli as you saw from my previous posts but my patience runs out when I talk with people like you.3

Nice try.

Lord Nelson
Jan 26th, 2005, 01:23 PM
well your rep was exactly the same as this post. Nice one Einstein! Look, Oleh was insulting the Christian faith, I responded to him. If you want to know the truth I like all groups of people. What I don't like are extremists like your dad-in law. Isn't he a racist. 'Churches in France will be replaced by mosques everyone in France will be Muslim'

Lord Nelson
Jan 26th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Ok, I realize now that you are Jewish, I thought that you were Muslim. It makes sense now what you wrote concerning all your posts. I also thought that your Dad in law was a radical muslim. Gosh I feel sheepish. I apologize to you if I seemed to be anti-semitic and for writing harsh things about your family. I like people of all faiths and I am pro-Israeli. Read my posts on 9/11 thread. Anyway this does not give the right for Oleh to insult the Christian faith. I'm an atheist but I have deep love for my fith of origin.

"Sluggy"
Jan 26th, 2005, 02:40 PM
I dont know how to make multiple quotes so bear with me:

Oleh: You said "B) Their "Old testement" decoration whcih I dont know why they have since they never follow any thing in it anyway"

Why would you say this Oleh, that is not like you. The Catholics I know are wonderful people. Where I am from, lots of the police and firemen are catholic, and they are our role models - why would you think that Catholics dont obey the ten commandments and the torah - leaving aside the non-Jewish parts. I neer met religious catholics that ignore the torah, where are these people you speak of?



Oleh you also say:
"You wana play tit for tat? Again you are being sarcastic arent you? We gave them all this and they gave us a millenia of religous persecution (Spanish inquesitions and Russian pogroms to crusades where it was convert or die to burnings at the steak to forced conversions of holocaust children "saved" by the cathiloc church uneder pius to repeated denunciation and second class if that treatment and today what do they give us?"

IMO to say that the Jews 'gave christians jesus' is a stretch. yes Jesus was a Jew, but its not like a counsel of Rabbis volunteered Jesus to be the Messiah for the world. They probably would have preferred if Jesus never existed - he was not like a Christmas present. In addition, as you yourself say, Jews dont look for converts... so its not like Jews were trying to spread the word and bring the light of God into peoples lives. We moreso practiced live and let live. Not exactly a gift in my opinion.

In addition, and this is probably contrary to what Jewish leaders say, and i am not trying to diminish the crimes committed against the Jewish peole.... Jews were of a different religion in a foreign land. For many periods, Jews were accepted or at least tolerated by their fellow Christians. I believe that these countries and their countrymen should be praised for the long periods where they let the Jews in, let us be, and not only condemned for the times when they were butchered. In addition, most times we were given a choice to: CONVERT, LEAVE or DIE. Obviously in that case there was not choice, it was just DIE. However in most cases there was a choice. Not great choices, but at least leaving and conversion were options. so it was usually not complete destruction. Thus, Christians were often very good to us. Most of the time it was the clergy getting the people all wooped up around Easter, then wed get our asses kicked. My point is, we should praise those people and places that gave refuge to Jews, not only criticize and condemn them when they told us to Convert, leave or die. :lick:

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Yes, I saw some of your other threads too. So pooooor Jews were persecuted by the evil Catholics. Bouuuhouuu let me take my hankie out I got tears in my eyes. Well were they the only ones???Romans persecuted Christians, Armenians were targeted by Turks, Hutus tried to kill off Tutsis. WW2 did not only have Jews as victims but also Poles, Gypsies, Russians etc...
You say why should Jews give to Catholic charities. In that case why the heck should Christians feel any concern for Jews? There should be cooperation not charity. On top of that you have the nerve to make fun of other religions. I can play your childish game too. Look at those poooor orthodox Jews who have those ridiculous sideburns and who don't like Christians, Muslims and I guess most people in the world. I'm actually pro-Israeli as you saw from my previous posts but my patience runs out when I talk with people like you.

What planet are you on??????? I didnt say Jews were the only ones ANYWHERE???? wtf????
Charities, whos talking about charities???? I was refering to your comment about US aid and Israel and saying it should be tit for tat in the same paragraph. IE Claiming US=Xtian and Israel =Jew. WTF?????
Where am I making fun of religions?????????
What are you talking about you diluded moron?????????????????

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 10:48 PM
well your rep was exactly the same as this post. Nice one Einstein! Look, Oleh was insulting the Christian faith, I responded to him. If you want to know the truth I like all groups of people. What I don't like are extremists like your dad-in law. Isn't he a racist. 'Churches in France will be replaced by mosques everyone in France will be Muslim'

Again where was I insulting the xtian faith? I said they are nice peoplle. YOU were the one who said tit for tat, and made out we never gave any to them, I said what they have given us (Al be it they have alot of good too..didnt say they didnt) and what we gave them (And same point visa versa). Where do you get insult out of history in direct relations to replying to your post??????????

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 11:06 PM
I dont know how to make multiple quotes so bear with me:

Oleh: You said "B) Their "Old testement" decoration whcih I dont know why they have since they never follow any thing in it anyway"

Why would you say this Oleh, that is not like you. The Catholics I know are wonderful people. Where I am from, lots of the police and firemen are catholic, and they are our role models - why would you think that Catholics dont obey the ten commandments and the torah - leaving aside the non-Jewish parts. I neer met religious catholics that ignore the torah, where are these people you speak of?



Oleh you also say:
"You wana play tit for tat? Again you are being sarcastic arent you? We gave them all this and they gave us a millenia of religous persecution (Spanish inquesitions and Russian pogroms to crusades where it was convert or die to burnings at the steak to forced conversions of holocaust children "saved" by the cathiloc church uneder pius to repeated denunciation and second class if that treatment and today what do they give us?"

IMO to say that the Jews 'gave christians jesus' is a stretch. yes Jesus was a Jew, but its not like a counsel of Rabbis volunteered Jesus to be the Messiah for the world. They probably would have preferred if Jesus never existed - he was not like a Christmas present. In addition, as you yourself say, Jews dont look for converts... so its not like Jews were trying to spread the word and bring the light of God into peoples lives. We moreso practiced live and let live. Not exactly a gift in my opinion.

In addition, and this is probably contrary to what Jewish leaders say, and i am not trying to diminish the crimes committed against the Jewish peole.... Jews were of a different religion in a foreign land. For many periods, Jews were accepted or at least tolerated by their fellow Christians. I believe that these countries and their countrymen should be praised for the long periods where they let the Jews in, let us be, and not only condemned for the times when they were butchered. In addition, most times we were given a choice to: CONVERT, LEAVE or DIE. Obviously in that case there was not choice, it was just DIE. However in most cases there was a choice. Not great choices, but at least leaving and conversion were options. so it was usually not complete destruction. Thus, Christians were often very good to us. Most of the time it was the clergy getting the people all wooped up around Easter, then wed get our asses kicked. My point is, we should praise those people and places that gave refuge to Jews, not only criticize and condemn them when they told us to Convert, leave or die. :lick:

The first bit was, they in their bible have all the same things we do, say dietary laws, but dont need to follow them. So why are they there. Yes i know they are nice people and in hinsite that may have sounded rude, but many times have been told that we have it wrong in our book etc. My point was in the past we were punished for keeping those things when it is in their scripts too, it makes no sense, if anything it would mean you EXPECT to get along better beacsue of that shared bonmd but history overall dosnt say that.

I know cathilocs are observent, remember I have some in my family and they once told me "Why do you follow all that stuff there you dont have to". Well to us we do, i guess what i said above was more relating to a personal gripe no one else was in on. And yes there belief is their belief thats why I dont believe they should say to us you have it wrong kinda thing. :)

Second point, I always found it strange Jesus was a Jew yet church sponsored anti semitsm exists and existed, no we didnt "give" them him, he just was spo maybe wrong wording.

I agree with your third point and was not trying to say contrary.

In short he was saying tit for tat and Jews should keep to them selves (Which is historicaly incorect re: persecution which when we were forced to do so and got it any way) and xtians should keep to xtians (Also historicaly iccorect). Both relgions have (Its a fact that cant be changed) """"Given"""" (Jesus was not a present nor was a pogrom;)) alot to each other.

Im not condemning xtianity, just saying it makes no sense of histories church sponsored bad points which dont relate to what judaism has """"given""" them origionaly. It should lead to a closer bond not what we have seen throughout history.

It was not an attack on xtianity, just a post which seemed to say Israel is Jews and America is Xtians and the two should have noithing to do with each other. Our paths are crossed we share a close history so we have no choice but to have things to do with each other (Relationship, dialogue and exchange). History prooves that Ghettos/ segregation/ apartheid dont work.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 27th, 2005, 12:58 AM
All religions should wither and die except the wiccans.

DunkMachine
Jan 27th, 2005, 02:24 AM
I agree, a pagan philosofy is the only thing that makes sense.

Lord Nelson
Jan 27th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Ok Oleh, I misunderstood your post, sorry. As for Cybelle, you say that religion is bad except for wiccanism. But isn't this like a religion? Why don't you be against all religions including your wiccanism. One can make the same argument for your wiccannism that you just made for religions. Thus your argument is flawed. In my opinion there is no God and there is no afterlife or reincarnation. BUT that does not mean that I believe in wiccanism, scientology, astrology or any of that. The only thing that I believe in is science. I can only believe in things that are tangible. So unlike you I don't go trashing other religions even though I don't believe in a God and then start crying because not many people like wiccanism. Many so called witches are like you. They trash other religions and still expect people to like their 'religion'. I trash trashers. I did it with Oleh because I thought that he was doing that & now I do it with you but in a mor subtle way. :fiery: ;)