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lakeway11
Jan 23rd, 2005, 05:48 AM
Israeli Spying and 9/11 :fiery:
FOX News Series

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-2.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-3.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-4.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spies/part1.mov
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spies/part2.mov
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spies/part3.mov
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spies/part4.mov

Oleh
Jan 23rd, 2005, 06:31 AM
There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins."


There you go.."tie ins" thats the most you got? Great more consiparcy theories.
Dont start me on American Spying, and dont start me on the fact that US Intell knew about the impending threat and did sqwat all. Dont pin this on us.

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism.

IF this were true, even the consiparcy theorizing Fox says its the Arabs who were being spied on not the Americans.

Is this news to you and Mr Fox-I-think-im-a-secret-agent-ahead-of-the-FBI man that every country in the world has spy agencies? What you dont think they get used? US dosnt spy? WTF???

Moronic article follows above with

Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.? A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

It JUST SAID Israel was spying on Arab terrorists. Again WTF?

The document concludes: "Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives."

And, this if you havnt noticed IS CONDITIONAL, it says we have resources, IT DOES SAY NOWHERE WE USE THEM. Once again WTF?

— none of it necessarily conclusive.

Again WTF are you trying to proove? , THEY (YOUR source) are only speculating..You wana start with CONSPIRACY T H E O R I E S (DO you KNow what a THEORY is???????????) All it "Concludes" is Israel was spying on Arabs (If that, perhaps the term "proove" was used to loosely), the links with 9/11 are vague and mere speculation trying to cause a media stir and get some attention.

Hello? Is anyone home???? IF this were true dont you think the US government would be breathing fire upon Israel right now????? Why are they so quiet and "We dont care" like???????????? They are the ones who APPARANTLY are the "Targets" (LMAO at that)

Arresting lots of Israelis, How many Canadians, Britons, Chinese, Russian, French, German and Arabs have been arrested???? Were they spying too??? Also most of ours were deported, IF they were ACTUALLY spies (IN REALITY not LALA LAND) they wouold be locked up! Duh!?

IF Israel spies on the US (Which even I say is more than likely) WHY THE FUCK is that worse than YOU spying on US????? Double standards?????? (Oh and you do spy on us, you spy on fiji, you spy on North Korea and Tajikaistan and Liectenstine and Sao tome et Proncipe..you wana start on Double standards????)

In short that article like your post PROOVES NBOTHING but meerly speculates. As is obvious by it not being a big deal ANYWHERE in the world apart from Fox. Youd theink the Whitehouse and Knessnet would be pissed eh? And dont say the FBI are just starting to work on it. Fox investigating before FBI, NSA and CIA, yeah..right.
IF this reports show anything its that Israel was spying on ARABS not Americans. Not that bad considering. Put things in perspective and wipe out that stupid little fire face smilie.


Get some fuckin proof FOX man who likes to play secret agent man. Message to Carl, dont give up your day job. Or get your head out of your own patriot ass and quit the double standards. Israel and the US ARE Great Friends, and nothing has changed. Its been 3 or 4 years in which if this were true something would have by now.

Shonami Slam
Jan 23rd, 2005, 09:52 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmm... Bush is fucked up ORRRRR israelis are mutants with hairy eyes and green skin...
option b...!
i mean, it was on fox news, so it must be true and has any connection with reality!

spyro
Jan 23rd, 2005, 11:37 AM
Let just these inventions become an input to US government to investigate :)

Oleh
Jan 23rd, 2005, 01:45 PM
israelis are mutants with hairy eyes and green skin...!

*Blarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhh* :p :D ...yes accorfing to some people...even me i take option B!!! :p;)

PointBlank
Jan 23rd, 2005, 05:14 PM
:rolleyes:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 23rd, 2005, 07:59 PM
There are some people that believe Bin Laden may be an FBI Agent.

That 9/11 was caused to ensure US domination over middle-eastern countries, such as Uzbekistan, Iraq, Turkmenistan, eventually Iran and Syria and ultimately Egypt.

Justeenium
Jan 23rd, 2005, 08:27 PM
IF Israel spies on the US (Which even I say is more than likely) WHY THE FUCK is that worse than YOU spying on US????? Double standards?????? (Oh and you do spy on us, you spy on fiji, you spy on North Korea and Tajikaistan and Liectenstine and Sao tome et Proncipe..you wana start on Double standards????)

.

the relationship is one-sided. The US gives Israel money. Israel gives us problems.

Oleh
Jan 23rd, 2005, 09:37 PM
the relationship is one-sided. The US gives Israel money. Israel gives us problems.

Oh great I was just about to go to sleep.
Hmmmm Should I go make a list at what we give the US back..yes, yes I think i might as you love your own one sided and uniformed comments.
The same could be saud the US gives us problems and remembering we have not always been friends. And after the status quo, what then? Still one sided cuz were a bunch a Jews trying to take over the world? Puh-leez.

#Edit: AS close of friends as today.

Lord Nelson
Jan 23rd, 2005, 11:56 PM
Don't worry about that idiot Justeen. We are not all Israeli haters. I wish all of the Middle East had democracy like Israel or muslim nations like Turkey, Albania, Malaysia etc... But I also would like to see the occupied territories become independant Palestine. Anyway Israel is no way as messed up as Saudi Arabia. The nation is very radical. The founding king even had over 50 kids. He died in 1953 but he was still having kids and so his sons will be king for years to come before next generation. Anyway I hope that the Saudis will reform themselves.

Oleh
Jan 24th, 2005, 05:49 AM
Firstly GIVES Israel moeny?
You mean Loans, anr Loan Guarantees, and PERSONAL donations by american citizens and corperations. Why it most certainly does. And yes A SMALL amount is "Given" to us according to your word choice. Think of it this way Egypt $120m Israel $190m Palestine $100m (Wheres that going?) (BUT Egypt in most cases dosnt need to pay back their loans and dosnt have billions in private "Aid') ...This sounds Familiar..perhaps you should have READ (Im trusting you know for A B C's and that you have the attention span of a grown up to read half a page or two of solid fact and numbers if you feel up to making snide comments about something you must know all about) my post in another thread to I think but am not sure in reply to another foolish remark about US-Israeli aid. Short memory perhaps. And Im pretty sure one of those links I provided had a list of why Israel is an important friend making such aid "Worth" it.

But *sigh* you dont listen and make me take up half a page of posting pure fact in a hope that your brain may oneday defrost. Here go's dont say you wernt warned.

So again a list of things that people more important, knowledgeable and in a position to make such decisions (Many times democrats) have taken into consideration of making a friend of Israel. And the US never does anyting it dosnt gain from.
* Israel is the ONLY democracy in the entire middle east which works and is actualy stable and democratic. Thats a reason worth its weight in gold.
*Israel has many companies on the USSX's and visa versa, entailing this alot of forein investment. Alot of dollars to be made for Americans.Israels GDP and GNP are larger than all of the countries surrounding Israel put together. Thats puts bck into the US Economy.
*The "Jewish vote". Mostly democrats but a 5 million strong MINORITY which is to be appeased democrat and republican alike. No this isnt some plot for conspiracy theorists, look at how much the Jews in the US have done for its economy which you wallow in. Our friendship gives back to that minority with ease, keeping them happy. Do you know how much aid we give back to those very comunityies which help us? Do you know of the programmes etc? Oh but to be an American you must be xtian and white eh?
*Israel is a military power and economic in the region and here to stay. Bluntly why invest all your eggs into the worlds greatest sand pit which is about to run dry of oil its back bone. When Israels economy is no way oilish and very stable and solid.http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Saudi_Arabia_Loyal_Ally_or_Unscrupulous_Adversary$ .asp
*Israeli tech and research which much of your aid funds..Oh do you REALLY want me to list the Israeli things given to the modern world? Next time you have heart surgery you will be connected to an Israeli machine and perhaps now online you are using ICQ/ MSN/ other instant messaging tools..Yes they are Israeli tech. Haha you prob use them to slag us off on..oh ignorance sure must be bliss eh?!
*1981 Iraq. If we didnt do it, perhaps NYC would now be a nuclear waste land. Oh but who cares about that right? Thats an easy fact to ignore seeming im living a life of comfort and invincibility and have never been struck personaly by such things? Thats putting our neck on the line for you, actively not diplomaticly. Didnt yo momma ever teach you to say thank you???? Now what do you say...
*Israel is America's most trusted and reliable ally in the Middle East, the only state in the Middle East that publicly declares support for the U.S. -- despite the fact that Israel may have bore the brunt of Saddam's weapons when an American offensive begins. (Aish!)
*Israel is on the frontline in the battle against Islamic terrorists, and provides the U.S. with key intelligence information and frontline military operations. As opinionjournal.com notes: "In 1981 Israel destroyed Iraq's Osirak reactor, setting back Saddam Hussein's quest for nuclear weapons. How much money and how many lives did this end up saving America?"(Aish!)
*The first U.S. President to supply large-scale military aid to Israel was Richard Nixon in 1970, in order to balance against the radical Arab states being financed by the Soviet Union. The U.S.-Israel partnership served its purpose by forcing such East Bloc clients as Egypt's Anwar Sadat to break from the Soviet fold. Having Israel do the dirty work in one of the world's most dangerous regions has, financially for the U.S., been a bargain. (Aish!)
*Israel partners with the U.S. in technological development, medical research, agricultural innovations, and a wide range of cultural exchanges. In addition, many Israeli-developed technologies serve as integral components of the U.S. military arsenal (Aish!)

*For in deep contrast to other Mideast recipients of U.S. foreign aid, figures show that in the United Nations, Israel votes with the United States 94% of the time.
* At this time ironic amid a current consipacy theory, but sharing of Intel.We second to the US have the seconnd best intel system in the world. No not PC's.
*Israeli anti terror research (Lets face it we are pros at it by now) is keeping your statisticly incresingly obsese lathargic ass's safe from being blown to bits.
* We share the same values of Freedom. We were both built of oppressed people. We get along fine on our "constitutions". Mutual interests you see?
* A shared enemy is a common enemy. We will fight them together. SOunds mutual to me?
* Between 60-70% of Americans support Israel. and more rather than less so after September 11http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Why_Support_Israel$.asp About 80% Of Israelis support America.
* Israel is a secular country. Rare in the ME. Thus the US can expect and gets a fair chance.
*Most Aericans have a strong preference for free societies over tyrannies and understand that the real underdog in the Middle East is the tiny state of Israel struggling to survive in a sea of medieval hate. This means for their support they get ours in return and to them its not us who s top blame for giving troubles.
*Reagan was instrumental in the enhancement of the U.S.-Israel Strategic Cooperation Agreement, which resulted in the establishment of the Joint Political-Military Group [JPMG], a Pentagon program which oversees joint intelligence and military ventures between both nations.
*The signing of an American-Israel free trade agreement, which allowed Israeli companies to compete equally with European companies. Since 1985, trade between the two countries has increased 400 percent and topped $20 billion last year (Israel is the United States' 21st largest trading partner). This agreement served as a model for other, similar agreements, including the North America Free Trade Agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.
*Together, we can assure that Sadam's in the middle east, such vile Tyranies dont happen again (Ironic as the US put him there but there is hope) and make sure the power shift does not change under rising Islamic Extremism.
* Israel was a pivotal ally in the cold war. It could be said we helped you win. Comrade.
*In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out in ten years


Israels situation at the moment is one where it gets the halp it needs from its old pal. But even so, look at what we have done for you and the world with "your money". Now, you, make me a list for what Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Saudi, Iraq have done for you and the world and "making troubles". You spend milions and billions on them and dont complain. You wana list of the problems they have caused you to pro-and-con? Saudi=oil dollars but now thats drying up. saudi was military strategy, now thats gone. And saudi gave you Osama and Wahabbism. While you gave Saudi Billions. You wana talk M.E. Friendships, you should go to university, or open your eyes, or come here. Its your arab "friends" who are giving you Jihad. Not us.
Whos your better friend here eh? You dont wana make friends in This sand pit, stay out altogether. Your double standards are completely deficit of any reason. You take our money, this regions oil and personaly gain from it since the day your were born and dont wana be friends? Is that imperialism you want or what?



http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/With_Allies_Like_These....asp
Excuse all the Aishness of this but the articles raise valid and proven fact. Other sources BBC and other newsites around the world plus official governmental departments.

Oh and PS: Heres some more of the "trouble" israel causes this world and a glimpse at how bad we have it, why? Beacuse we work for it.
(Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:)

1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

2. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

3. The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

4. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel. In fact, the Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

6. Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

7. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

8. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

9. Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S., Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft, Israel's air force has an arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the US.

10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

11. Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

12. Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

13. In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies, mostly in hi-tech).

14. With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from the Silicon Valley, US.

15. Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

16. Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

17. Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

18. On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

19. Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

20. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

21. In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

22. When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

23. When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three victims from the rubble.

24. Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 in the world.

25. Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

26. Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

27. Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

28. Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

29. Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

30. Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

31. An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

32. Israel's Given Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

33. Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

34. Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U.S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

35. A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

36. An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave Desert.

37: Israel is has a massive programe in the developing world of Tikum Olam run through Moshav, helping comunities develop and sustain themselves. Sending doctors to heal and mine sweepers to clear.

38: Within hours of the Tsunami hitting Sri Lanka Israel dispatched jets full of Aid and professional workers to help. And in Thailand its expert foresnsic teams to identify the dead.

39: Anna Smashanova.

40: Numerous Nobel prize winners and amongst the highest number in the world for Peace and Science.

41: Israeli rescue teams have been sent to Argentina, Turkey and even offered Iran. Wherever there is trouble we are there to help.

42: 99.5% of US Congress commends Israeli Democracy.

Damn us for spending "your money" so badly eh? And we are ungreatful?http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/supportisrael/

. . . . . All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth. Pretty good and in some thanks to your "aid" you complain so much about.

So remind me one last time what are all the troubles ISRAEL gives YOU? Where is your money going wrong?

"Sluggy"
Jan 24th, 2005, 07:42 AM
the relationship is one-sided. The US gives Israel money. Israel gives us problems.

Would you care to develop your statement. What problems does Israel give the US? The US spies on everybody, France has their spies all over the world and so does the UK and every other country. why are you singling out Israel? Israel is an very important partner for the US, and you shouldnt be trashing her.

Halardfan
Jan 24th, 2005, 10:05 AM
For goodness knows how many centuries the Jewish people have been made a scapegoat for, well, pretty much anything and everything. Again and again to the point of insanity.

Im no fan of the current Israeli government and have been very critical of them at times and the way the US government is unwilling to be tougher with them, but these lunatic conspiracy theories don't help anyone.

lakeway11
Jan 25th, 2005, 03:13 AM
that list forgot to mention the economics of the $1 billion-a-year sex trade, reputedly one of the biggest of its kind in the world, that has sprung up in Israel over the past decade...Every year, hundreds of women from eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union are smuggled into Israel. :rolleyes:

the Holy land and brothels sure go good together :o

lakeway11
Jan 25th, 2005, 03:52 AM
Would you care to develop your statement. What problems does Israel give the US? The US spies on everybody, France has their spies all over the world and so does the UK and every other country. why are you singling out Israel? Israel is an very important partner for the US, and you shouldnt be trashing her.

maybe he knows about this knowledge dealing with the aid by the US to Israel:

"Even excluding all of these extra costs, America's $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli."

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1297/9712043.html

"Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury."

lakeway11
Jan 25th, 2005, 03:57 AM
24. Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 in the world.


:worship: as any Austrian economist knows, entrepreneurship is the greatest benefactor to mankind

Volcana
Jan 25th, 2005, 03:59 AM
But *sigh* you dont listen and make me take up half a page of posting pure fact in a hope that your brain may oneday defrost. Here go's dont say you wernt warned.You are one of two people on this board that, despite my wholely justified paranoia, I really truly wish there were some way I could meet in person. (Without admitting I'm Volcana, of course.:)) You are SO willing to resort to facts, and reason to make an argument! It's fuckin' BEAU-titul!

Oleh
Jan 25th, 2005, 07:42 PM
that list forgot to mention the economics of the $1 billion-a-year sex trade, reputedly one of the biggest of its kind in the world, that has sprung up in Israel over the past decade...Every year, hundreds of women from eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union are smuggled into Israel. :rolleyes:

the Holy land and brothels sure go good together :o

Perhaps i live a sheltered life, but I havent heard of this???? Can you provide me with some articles or something?

(No really, I did not ofthis, if its true to such an extent id like to know)

Oh, and if it is true again why is it worse if Israel does it? Israel is a secular westernized coiuntry our and does have a sex industry to cater for the horny masses with no shame. The US Sex industry is im sure far worse than Israels (Or better depending how you look at it ;) ) and what about the Netheralands? MULTU Billion dollars no doubt? Have you been to Amsterdam? Its a disturbing sight. And most of those exploited are eastern european. Does this mean their sexploitation suddenly cancels out all the good that the Netherlands do???????????????????????????????????????????

Oleh
Jan 25th, 2005, 08:01 PM
maybe he knows about this knowledge dealing with the aid by the US to Israel:

"Even excluding all of these extra costs, America's $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli."

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1297/9712043.html

"Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury."

*In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out in ten years

And, that grand figure includes money that is lost but BLAMED on Israel (ie Oil losses due to regional conflicts, inflation/deflation) aswell as investment and private US funding.
And, with the above mentioned "which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983" is it just Israel? Or is Israel worse than every one else for just being Israel?

Now with the two points above and yours, why should we be getting the blame for US policy? We offered to decrease our dependancy and accept the loans as loans. When some one offers you a "Loan" they are the ones to draw up a contract. Beggars cant be choosers. So why dont you blame clinton and all presidents and governments since this policy began?


As for eutrapranuership..(I still have alot of gripes with our economy and things need to be done in places) That said Its pretty good when you think of the enourmous foreign invstments and "globalized economy" and presence here we have such a rate of eutrapraneurship co-existing and working very well indeed.:)

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Perhaps i live a sheltered life, but I havent heard of this???? Can you provide me with some articles or something?


..."There is a little media recognition of the problem. In an article from the November 12 edition of the Jerusalem Post, editor Isaac Herzog writes that, “in the past few years Israel has been flooded with thousands of women who are smuggled into the country in order to engage in prostitution, as part of a vigorous trade.” In the past few years alone, Herzog states that nearly 3,000 women have been forced into sex slavery in Israel. Most of the women come from countries bled dry by over half a century of Jewish communism. With little prospects for a better life for themselves and their family, they trustingly come to Israel for a better job and are usually never heard from again. A very small percentage has escaped either by their own courageous efforts or due to a raid by Israeli immigration authorities.

Working in collusion with Jewish organized crime gangs in Europe, the girls are funneled into the slave state of Israel in a variety of atrocious ways. Acting in accordance with their Talmudic sanctioning of treating Gentiles like cattle, the Israeli dealers savagely compel the “cargo” to trek across the unforgiving Egyptian desert at all times of the day in any type of weather. “Women who complain of any kind of pain during the taxing march are drugged with medications and painkillers, and anyone who breaks down and collapses is abandoned on the roadside in the desert, as if she were a dying freight animal,” says Herzog."


first, it's not 'worse' for any country as such is equally satanic no matter where it exists and condoned...but in the holy land I guess this activity takes on a different significance...and it also shows the evils of power once again.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1559707356/002-1409575-1862446?v=glance

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1076393704912&p=1006688055060

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129157,00.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/08/women.trafficking/

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/12/1708677.php

sex slaves and the sex industry are two totally different things for one, second, i find what goes on in places like Amsterdam disturbing as hell...also, the sex slave trade in Kosovo is entrenched (and Westerners thought the Serbs were bad???) there is much, much more where this comes from and much of it is all a part of the satanic New World Order types (the UN is used as a cover for lots of this activity :sad: )

Justeenium
Jan 26th, 2005, 05:31 AM
blah blah blah

I read through that whole long post of yours. All you did was try and impress me about Israel and its technology, that doesn't show how our relationship with Israel is beneficial to us.

some points, if there were French spies in the USA, how come they are never caught??????? When spies are caught in the US they are almost always from Israel or Russia.

Do we give billions of dollars to Russia every year? and yes the US gives billions of dollars to Israel, they are NOT loans. Since the US has been Israel's biggest friend, I would expect Israel not to spy on us like our enemies do or sink our Navy vessels( Liberty ring a bell)?

The US also routinely vetoes anti-Israeli resolutions in the UN SC which then damages our world reputation.

I'm not saying Israel's behind 9/11 but She is a major why the US is in Iraq now. You'd have to be blind to deny it.

And btw, the thing you said about Iraq nuking the US if it wasn't for the1981 bombing was downright ridiculous.

Justeenium
Jan 26th, 2005, 05:48 AM
Don't worry about that idiot Justeen. We are not all Israeli haters. I wish all of the Middle East had democracy like Israel or muslim nations like Turkey, Albania, Malaysia etc... But I also would like to see the occupied territories become independant Palestine. Anyway Israel is no way as messed up as Saudi Arabia. The nation is very radical. The founding king even had over 50 kids. He died in 1953 but he was still having kids and so his sons will be king for years to come before next generation. Anyway I hope that the Saudis will reform themselves.


excuse me? I am one of the few people on the board that actually respects Israel's right to its land and I don't think there as bad as the terrorists like all the Belgians here. Oleh was trying to make it seem somewhat OK for Israel to spy on us, and I was just making it clear that our relationship is one-sided, there is no doubt about that.

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:07 AM
..."There is a little media recognition of the problem. In an article from the November 12 edition of the Jerusalem Post, editor Isaac Herzog writes that, “in the past few years Israel has been flooded with thousands of women who are smuggled into the country in order to engage in prostitution, as part of a vigorous trade.” In the past few years alone, Herzog states that nearly 3,000 women have been forced into sex slavery in Israel. Most of the women come from countries bled dry by over half a century of Jewish communism. With little prospects for a better life for themselves and their family, they trustingly come to Israel for a better job and are usually never heard from again. A very small percentage has escaped either by their own courageous efforts or due to a raid by Israeli immigration authorities.

Working in collusion with Jewish organized crime gangs in Europe, the girls are funneled into the slave state of Israel in a variety of atrocious ways. Acting in accordance with their Talmudic sanctioning of treating Gentiles like cattle, the Israeli dealers savagely compel the “cargo” to trek across the unforgiving Egyptian desert at all times of the day in any type of weather. “Women who complain of any kind of pain during the taxing march are drugged with medications and painkillers, and anyone who breaks down and collapses is abandoned on the roadside in the desert, as if she were a dying freight animal,” says Herzog."


first, it's not 'worse' for any country as such is equally satanic no matter where it exists and condoned...but in the holy land I guess this activity takes on a different significance...and it also shows the evils of power once again.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1559707356/002-1409575-1862446?v=glance

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1076393704912&p=1006688055060

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129157,00.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/08/women.trafficking/

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/12/1708677.php

sex slaves and the sex industry are two totally different things for one, second, i find what goes on in places like Amsterdam disturbing as hell...also, the sex slave trade in Kosovo is entrenched (and Westerners thought the Serbs were bad???) there is much, much more where this comes from and much of it is all a part of the satanic New World Order types (the UN is used as a cover for lots of this activity :sad: )

Thank you. I was unaware. But i am getint the impression your applying double standards still with "Jewish organized crime". No they arnt Jews who do that. They are Israelis. Definitions are different. They use their right of retrn from eastern europe and come here and eat pork. They are not Jews by our religion.
And whoredom existed here long before Israel was created. Israel in context deserves no special mention, you dont mention say Italy with a huge child sex industry from eastern europe so I wonder at the cheapo shot and call it double standard.

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:09 AM
I read through that whole long post of yours. All you did was try and impress me about Israel and its technology, that doesn't show how our relationship with Israel is beneficial to us.

Are you retarded or blind? Look at them, then do some research and see what the US gains. US companies = US jobs. Medical equiptment = your lives. wtf?

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:13 AM
some points, if there were French spies in the USA, how come they are never caught??????? When spies are caught in the US they are almost always from Israel or Russia.

I recall french spies were arrested in NZ, perhaps NZ has better spy catching systems. How many Israeli spies are convicted behind bars in the US? You beluieve in justice right?

The US also routinely vetoes anti-Israeli resolutions in the UN SC which then damages our world reputation

Yes i never said it didnt..where did that come from?

I'm not saying Israel's behind 9/11 but She is a major why the US is in Iraq now. You'd have to be blind to deny it.

And btw, the thing you said about Iraq nuking the US if it wasn't for the1981 bombing was downright ridiculous.

I think your blind. How are we to blame for Iraq, for being Jews in an anti semetic zone? Thats what it comes down to right? Come on..youd have to be blind not to see it and i know you see it. Sadam or Sharon..hmm well Sharon never invaded Kuwait for no reason what so ever other than oil and pride.

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:16 AM
Oleh was trying to make it seem somewhat OK for Israel to spy on us, and I was just making it clear that our relationship is one-sided, there is no doubt about that.

No not trying to make it right. Where did I say that?
I gave fact that every one does it, why do you single us out? Simple question.
One sided, no not forever. As I said when people stop trying to kill us and we dont need to be constantly defending ourselves (At some partial fault but palestine is not the end of the problem) then we can give more. I hope your friends never have a crisis. We give back as much as we can and we offered to take less. Your government is not our fault.

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:22 AM
I think your blind. How are we to blame for Iraq, for being Jews in an anti semetic zone? Thats what it comes down to right? Come on..youd have to be blind not to see it and i know you see it. Sadam or Sharon..hmm well Sharon never invaded Kuwait for no reason what so ever other than oil and pride.


i can't speak for other people but it's no secret of the neocon Zionists that occupied much of the strategy of the administration to invade Iraq...of course being a Zionist and a Jew are two different things I gather...and did not this war take out a certified enemy (and problem) of Israel?...no need to blame Israel for Iraq, there is plenty of blame to go around over here

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:35 AM
i can't speak for other people but it's no secret of the neocon Zionists that occupied much of the strategy of the administration to invade Iraq...of course being a Zionist and a Jew are two different things I gather...and did not this war take out a certified enemy (and problem) of Israel?...no need to blame Israel for Iraq, there is plenty of blame to go around over here

Pull out some files and proove it. :)
No its a conspiracy theory again. Non conclusive. thats like me saying xtians were responsible for the holocaust, it can make sense, but its ludacris.
Also according to such logic, if a buddhist worked for the invasion strategy, does it make it a Buddhist plot? No because they aint Jewish. Hmmm double standars...again...

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 06:57 AM
:lol: no need to prove anything and no conspiracy--it's all out in the open. the neocon agenda is put out for all to see in the works of think tanks (Bradley Foundation, American Enterprise Institute (AEI) that made for "Project for a New American Century", which was the brainchild for the imperialism against Iraq , magazines (The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, etc)...and it no secret that those who pushed for war (while Clinton was still prez) where those like Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Wolfowitz, William Kristol, on & on--all Zionists to the core and many with dual citizenships...those who believe in the greatness of the Founding Fathers and the U.S. Constitution and all its wonders have a hard time with the neocon agenda which stands for basically everything that Madsion, Jefferson, Washington and the like were against...many modern-day neocons have come from the far left--former Trotskyists, which see permanent revolution as the ideal much like the communists...I say fuck em all and give me back the classical liberals like Jefferson and the real true America back

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:12 AM
Right...still no proof. Man, you come here I take you down the road to a real court room and watch this thing called evidence. All you have is still conspiracy..why no reality? hmmmmmm its sad you are so full of anti semetic prejudice that you tink every jew is out to get you and a commie. Dont hide it behind politics, its exactly what hitler did to begin with, your icon no?;)

Im actualy laughing at your post..you sound like an actual net-conspiracy freak who is fat and wears a "Aliens are g-d" tee shirt and believes in UFO's and has been abducted and anal probed by aliens. Thats the logic thats coming out of that! Wheres the proof, the evidence? Wheres the document thay says its a zionist plot? Why is bush a xtian regime so keen to help Israel and thos "zionists"? Dont ya think theyd be fired if they were up to no good? Your government according to you has always employed them democrat or republican..once again dont blame us for even your own conspiracy theories. How does it feel to be the only one in America which know the truth eh? While all your leaders disagree with you, the ones who are privy to info either way and the ones who know what they are doing?..lonley huh?

Also, with that logic, what about the Xtian roles?? hmm Bush is the new Jesus!!!!! Alejujah!!!
Sorry but its still racist. You call Zionists Jews, yet are they members of IZF etc? and Jews Zionists. If only hitler had come up with such a mask! If they were Zionist to the core theyd not have dual citizenship;)

lakeway11
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:31 AM
:lol: actually I'm a Randian (yes, Ayn Rand was born a Russian Jew) and hockey & tennis player to boot :tennis:

Oleh
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:35 AM
lmao what ever floats your boat..:D
(Being a fan of a jew dosnt immunize you from anti semitism .the Jew of linz eh?;))

Cuckoo
Jan 26th, 2005, 08:07 AM
LAKEWAY STOP BEING A TRANNY TROLL VULGAR ILL GET RAINBOW TRANNY ONTO U WITH HER BLUE PUCKERD LIPS AND ELONGATED WHITE HAT WOMAN DANCING IN THE STREETS SO STICK URE CONSPIRACY UP URE GENITALIA WHERE THE COUNTESS DONT SHINE

"yOU ARE A 13 YEAR OLD TROLL, DONT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE CONSPIRACIES TO PPL PAST PUBERTY, LAKEWAY11 YOU VILE TROLL

Cuckoo
Jan 28th, 2005, 10:32 AM
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2000/aug/23drag1.jpg


Rainbow Tranny says NO MORE ANTI SEMITISM!!! She gets enough of mud slinging each time she preforms a cabaret wrong or shes walking down latimer square passing some aranuians who didint take the PEIRCED TUPPY BUS BACK TO HAMPSHIRE

Cuckoo
Jan 28th, 2005, 10:36 AM
Trannies spy tooooo...How else do we get the best fake Gucci Bags and Cheap Rouge ?

As Dame Edna Would say....OHHH MYYY..Dont spy for me..Is a Rae llll

Lord Nelson
Jan 28th, 2005, 12:25 PM
excuse me? I am one of the few people on the board that actually respects Israel's right to its land and I don't think there as bad as the terrorists like all the Belgians here. Oleh was trying to make it seem somewhat OK for Israel to spy on us, and I was just making it clear that our relationship is one-sided, there is no doubt about that.
My apologies to you Justeen for calling you an idiot, it was the heat of the moment. You are right, Oleh wrote that it is justifiable for Israel to spy on other nations. Oleh, Israel is a nation like any other nation. It should be given no special treatment. However if Israel is spying on Iran to see if it makes nukes and bombs those nike centers than Israel will have done a good for mankind.
Palestinians get a lot of aid from the Arab world. Saudi Arabia alone gave 150 million dollars to them compared to 10 million to victims of the tsunami. Mullahs encourage Palestinians to have as amany kids as possible in order to one day have more Palestinians than Israelis. The Gaza strip is one of the most densley populated regions in the world and Palestinians still have many kids. Even the Catholics in n. Ireland are not resorting themselves to such foolishness. Such radicalism is incompatble with values that are practiced in democratic nations.

rand
Jan 28th, 2005, 12:28 PM
:lol: actually I'm a Randian (yes, Ayn Rand was born a Russian Jew) and hockey & tennis player to boot :tennis:
:o