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Juju #1
Jan 21st, 2005, 02:35 PM
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story.asp?j=107735580&p=yx7736y6x&t=tennis

Coach blamed for Henin-Hardenne injury


21/01/2005 - 14:02:01

It was left to 48-year-old Martina Navratilova to inject a much needed hint of controversy on an otherwise predictable fifth day of the Australian Open.

None of the eight women’s third round matches went into a third set and only one set even went as far as a tie-break as all of the top names cruised into the last 16.

Only two of the top 16 seeds – Vera Zvonareva and Ai Sugiyama – have so far been knocked out of the centenary championships, while 25th seed Lisa Raymond has dropped just two games in two rounds.

Navratilova has not played in the singles here since 1989 but had no qualms about expressing some typically forthright views on the state of the women’s game, most notably blaming the injuries suffered by Justine Henin-Hardenne on her fitness trainer.

Henin-Hardenne was unable to defend her Australian Open title due to a knee injury and missed a large part of last season with glandular fever.

And Navratilova feels the 22-year-old Belgian has been pushed too hard by trainer Pat Etcheberry, who has also worked with the likes of Jennifer Capriati, Monica Seles, Pete Sampras and Jim Courier.

Asked to compare the demands of the tour now to 20 years ago, Navratilova said: “The stress on the top players is very similar. It’s not that it’s any worse now, but the matches are more difficult so you have to really be careful with your schedule.

“And when I saw Justine training, I thought, ’My God, that woman works very, very hard,’ and I was wondering how long she can keep it up. And there’s your answer.

“The trainer that she works with, he’s done that to other players. He works them too hard. He’s done it before.

“She’s in her prime physically. Obviously she overdid it a little bit, and she knows that, and she’ll probably pull back the reins a little bit. The trainer should have known better because he’s been there before.

“For her, it was the first time, and she worked her butt off, worked a little too much.”

Many of the top players on the women’s tour have been badly affected by injury; Serena Williams (knee), Venus Williams (stomach), Capriati (back), Kim Clijsters (wrist) and Lindsay Davenport (knee) among the most high-profile casualties.

And Navratilova, playing in the doubles with Daniela Hantuchova in Melbourne, blames the near year-round tennis calendar for the spate of problems.

Asked who will win the title, the 48-year-old added: “I think it’s going to be a survival of the fittest. Literally, physically who can withhold the rigours of the tournament and the tour.

“Some people are starting in the minus already. They’re not 100% even recovered from last year. It’s like the walking wounded. Everybody’s got something.

“I’ve been talking about it for about 10 years now. The season is too long. We need to change it. We need to have a longer off-season so players can recover and recharge their batteries.

“We don’t have that right now. So it’s a shame because then we lose the top players because they play the most matches. It’s just too hard to handle physically and emotionally as well.”

Amelie Mauresmo was the first woman to book her place in the fourth round on Friday, the second seed defeating Serbia’s Ana Ivanovic 6-2 7-5.

Mauresmo surprisingly lost the opening set of her previous match against Dinara Safina – sister of men’s fourth seed Marat Safin – but was always in control against the world number 82.

“I started much better this time and was focused on the start of the match,” said Mauresmo, who has failed to reach a grand slam final since her defeat to Martina Hingis here in 1999.

“I didn’t want anything like the second round to happen today. I played a solid match, pretty consistent and went a little more to the net which I should do. I’m pretty satisfied.”

Mauresmo will next face Evgenia Linetskaya who defeated 21st seed Amy Frazier 6-3 6-4 while another Russian, Vera Douchevina, also advanced to the fourth round with a 7-5 6-4 win over Anna-Lena Groenefeld of Germany.

Fifth seed Svetlana Kuznetsova, battling to put the controversy over her reported positive drug test behind her, defeated Mariana Diaz-Oliva from Argentina 6-3 7-6 and now faces Douchevina in all-Russian clash.

Serena Williams also enjoyed a routine victory over wild card Sania Mirza of India. The seventh seed smashed 12 aces, the last on match point, to win 6-1 6-4 in under an hour on the Vodafone Arena.

The former world number one will now face Russian Nadia Petrova for a place in the quarter-finals, the 11th seed beating Magdalena Maleeva of Bulgaria 6-4 6-4.

In the night match on Rod Laver Arena, Wimbledon champion Maria Sharapova made it five Russians in the fourth round – with the possibility of four more to come - with a 6-0 6-2 win over China’s Li Na.

pigam
Jan 21st, 2005, 02:49 PM
Let the games begin :bounce: :bounce:
Maybe she's right :shrug:
But thanks to that trainer, Justine has 3 GrandSlams :yeah:

When Justine wasn't injured, I never heard her saying this, she was saying things like "You see that if you work hard, you can get places" and she was blaiming the williams for not working hard enough :shrug:

Whatever, Martina ;)

Greenout
Jan 21st, 2005, 02:51 PM
Let the games begin :bounce: :bounce:
Maybe she's right :shrug:
But thanks to that trainer, Justine has 3 GrandSlams :yeah:

When Justine wasn't injured, I never heard her saying this, she was saying things like "You see that if you work hard, you can get places" and she was blaiming the williams for not working hard enough :shrug:

Whatever, Martina ;)


Pigam, she realized that nobody believed her gossip
mongering about JCF and Maria- so she's now onto another
topic. Martina that media whore! :lol:

The Crow
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:11 PM
She does have a point (Justine has been ill/injured for quite some time now), but in the end it's Justine's choice and responsibility.

Greenout
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:15 PM
She does have a point (Justine has been ill/injured for quite some time now), but in the end it's Justine's choice and responsibility.


John Mac etc...were also sort of against her getting married.
They mentioned it with during the WIMBLEDON coverage back
in 2001 when someone said she was engaged. They thought she
was too young, and didn't see how it could ever work since
she's made it to the big time. :rolleyes:

pigam
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:18 PM
"de beste stuurlui staan aan wal", but of course, Martina is a 'goede stuurvrouw' :p

volta
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:19 PM
only they know the truth

Lady
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:28 PM
Yay!!

We know who to blame now! ;) :p

Damn this Pat Etchberry, and these 3 Slams he helped Justine to win!! :fiery:

Oh...Oh! I forgot to mention Olympics! :angel:

Lady
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:29 PM
So as Pigam says, Justine should fire him & WS should hire him according to Martina! ;)

pigam
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:34 PM
So as Pigam says, Justine should fire him & WS should hire him according to Martina! ;)
so should Justine then 'hire' Brett, and Serena 'hire' Pierre-Yves :scratch: :bolt:

Fantastic
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:47 PM
Pat Etcheberry also trains Maria Vento-Kabchi and allegedly made her run hill climbs until she collapsed in pain. However, Maria credits Pat for her charge into the Top 40, and said that the pain lasted only a while but that it would hurt even longer if she did not do everything in her power to make the most out of what's left of her career.

I'm not sure about Martina's theory. She could be right, but it's still just her theory. It's not even an opinion because it just came out of nowhere. There's no reason to believe that any of Justine's injury was Pat Etcheberry's fault.

ans
Jan 21st, 2005, 03:57 PM
She does have a point (Justine has been ill/injured for quite some time now), but in the end it's Justine's choice and responsibility.
indeed.

Kart
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:14 PM
I was expecting to be about some punch up between Carlos Rodriquez and Justine (Justine would have come out on top in that one) so I'm pleasantly surprised.

Still, something tells me that team Justine has only one leader and her drive to push herself and get the best out of her body is probably greater than her trainer's ;).

miranda_lou
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:20 PM
Well, at least Martina is getting her wish and making the papers.:rolleyes: Trashing someone does it every time.:lol:

That woman needs a life. Shouldn't she be tired of tennis by now?:mad:

T-T
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:27 PM
What really got to Justine were the dark forces in the USA and their mystery virus. That's what started this whole mess. I don't think she overdid training.

Still, respex to Navra.

mishar
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:33 PM
I spent a week at Saddlebrook and did a session with one of Justine's trainers. He showed me some of the things she did there and it was incredible.

Yasmine
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:44 PM
I don't know what to believe of that really! If there is a chance that her injury is due to over training then it's a real shame... Tennis players (and any other sport people) are there to win yes but to enjoy as well, not to make themself ill and unhealthy.
On the other hand, well Pat has obviously done a job that paid last year winning 3GS! I hope she comes back soon fit and healthy... :angel:

pav
Jan 21st, 2005, 05:01 PM
I stuck a post in here a week or so ago with a thought that some of JuJu's problems could have to do with old 'train em till they cry' Pat, so for once I have to agree with the wedgy one

The Crow
Jan 21st, 2005, 06:13 PM
What's wrong with Martina giving her opinion lol? I love it (which doesn't mean I agree with her). This is not 'trashing' in my book...

harloo
Jan 21st, 2005, 06:25 PM
Sorry but her body was bound to break down sooner or later. I just don't know if the training was the reason. With the type of game Justine plays(aggressive baseline tennis) and the constant demands of tournament play she is not immune to injury.

I find that very few players on the WTA nowadays are able to stay injury free with the new racquets and faster game, so it was bound to happen to Justine.

fleemke³
Jan 21st, 2005, 06:27 PM
Well Justine had 2 options:
1. being a average tennisplayer
2. winning 3 slams and being the numer 1 for 45 weeks (already :p)

She did the right thing and will proove it again soon :cool:

LostInThe80s
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:00 PM
Where does it say that Justine blames him?

Grohl
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:08 PM
time will tell...

griffin
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:14 PM
Well, at least Martina is getting her wish and making the papers.:rolleyes: Trashing someone does it every time.:lol:

That woman needs a life. Shouldn't she be tired of tennis by now?:mad:

Keep in mind, if she retires, you'll likely hear MORE from her, as she'll have more time for commentating :wavey:

I'd like to know who these other players he's alleged to have run into the ground are, and then I'll decide if she has a point.

But I'm glad Martina keeps speaking her mind (if for no other reason than the overreactions can be fun to watch :lol: )

GoDominique
Jan 21st, 2005, 11:14 PM
Have to agree with Navra on this one.

What are 3 GS titles worth if your career is over?
And I don't think (over-)working like hell was the ONLY way for Justine to win slams and become no.1.

Greenout
Jan 22nd, 2005, 12:31 AM
Sorry but her body was bound to break down sooner or later. I just don't know if the training was the reason. With the type of game Justine plays(aggressive baseline tennis) and the constant demands of tournament play she is not immune to injury.

I find that very few players on the WTA nowadays are able to stay injury free with the new racquets and faster game, so it was bound to happen to Justine.

I agree with Harloo, her game is too physical. Like
Amelie, Tommy Haas, Scud, and Pat Rafter
...this type of style is a heavy burden on the body.

Wasn't this the reason that coaches were teaching two handed
backhands in the first place?- the 1-handed backhand style is
more prone to injury.

All that leaping and sprinting forwards too!

flyingmachine
Jan 22nd, 2005, 01:05 AM
Well Justine had 2 options:
1. being a average tennisplayer
2. winning 3 slams and being the numer 1 for 45 weeks (already :p)

She did the right thing and will proove it again soon :cool:
I think she done the right thing. Unforaturely it's a case of no pain no grain. At times sportmen/ sportswomen do push to limit in order to be their best and this can cause burnout or injury as the result of that. You have to have a balance of that to stay in the long term but it's very difficult to do that as the tennis world is getting more phsyical. Especially with all these money into the game and very long season.

tennischick
Jan 22nd, 2005, 01:23 AM
"And Navratilova feels the 22-year-old Belgian has been pushed too hard by trainer Pat Etcheberry..."

then why does the headline say that her "coach" is to blame? :confused:

or is Carlos being held responsible bec he did nothing about it?

Philbo
Jan 22nd, 2005, 01:32 AM
But I'm glad Martina keeps speaking her mind (if for no other reason than the overreactions can be fun to watch :lol: )
Amen to That Griffin! Its hilarious!:lol:

mykarma
Jan 22nd, 2005, 02:25 AM
Let the games begin :bounce: :bounce:
Maybe she's right :shrug:
But thanks to that trainer, Justine has 3 GrandSlams :yeah:

When Justine wasn't injured, I never heard her saying this, she was saying things like "You see that if you work hard, you can get places" and she was blaiming the williams for not working hard enough :shrug:

Whatever, Martina ;)You know how she is. Which ever way the wind blows.

tennnisfannn
Jan 22nd, 2005, 03:38 AM
people say justine worked too hard, she got injured
Some say the williams don't work hard enough, they get injured
some seem to have struck the balance, the mauresmo's, davenports, kim, capriati, all still get injured
hmm! where does hingis fit into these categories?
Anna K?
There is no pattern, injury will happen regardless.

Couver
Jan 22nd, 2005, 03:59 AM
Let the games begin :bounce: :bounce:
Maybe she's right :shrug:
But thanks to that trainer, Justine has 3 GrandSlams :yeah:

When Justine wasn't injured, I never heard her saying this, she was saying things like "You see that if you work hard, you can get places" and she was blaiming the williams for not working hard enough :shrug:

Whatever, Martina ;)
Did I miss something :confused: I know Justine talked about working hard, but to my recollection she never said Venus or Serena were not. In fact that comparison was only made by tennis commentators :rolleyes: