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CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Mary Carillo said last night during the Venus/Peng match that NONE of the Chinese players will be attending Wimbledon this year.

Why? Because their federation and government is making them train for and compete in the Asian games :rolleyes: A competition where absolutely NOBODY inside the top 200 will show up, guaranteed. No Asian player is going to skip Wimbledon (that can get into it at least) and the tournaments leading up to it to train for what basically amounts to an exhibition.

As Mary Carillo put it, "They (the government) will tell you what's important."

GoDominique
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:48 PM
:rolleyes:

And Peng too?

Greenout
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:50 PM
The Asian Games isn't an exhibition event. I don't know about tennis, though
but it's pretty serious. Just as much as the CommonWealth Games.

The next one is in 2006.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:53 PM
The Asian Games isn't an exhibition event. I don't know about tennis, though
but it's pretty serious. Just as much as the CommonWealth Games.

The next one is in 2006.
It's next year? Mary made it sound like it was this year...

Cam'ron Giles
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:55 PM
I think it's this year...:scratch:

Greenout
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I think it's this year...:scratch:


No it's 2006 in Doha.

There's also something smaller that's still very
important on this side of the world called the SouthEast Asian
Games and that's held a year later in 2007 in Thailand.

It's really a big deal here because these events are suppose
to help train for the big, big event....the Olympics held in China.

Kart
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:01 PM
That's a shame.

"Sluggy"
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Oh gavalt, CHINA!

ezekiel
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:19 PM
oh god :rolleyes:
It's such a shame that personal freedom is a foreign concept in large parts of the world.

abbygael
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Asian games is like the Olympic games of asia and its very important for China. And I would'nt blame them to have their players in the asian games instead of wimbledon, wimbledon is every year while asian games is every 4 years too.

kabuki
Jan 20th, 2005, 05:35 PM
*sigh*

greenfunkTHREE.
Jan 20th, 2005, 05:40 PM
The Asian Games isn't an exhibition event. I don't know about tennis, though
but it's pretty serious. Just as much as the CommonWealth Games.

The next one is in 2006.

the asian games is this year? i hope singapore's badminton will do well. how did you know that this year has the asian games?

hingis-seles
Jan 20th, 2005, 05:55 PM
The commentators from my coverage were talking about how the government provides these players with everything, but keeps all their prize money. Something like what happened with players from the Soviet bloc around 15 years ago (read: Natasha Zvereva). The commentator discussing this had spoken to Chinese players and their coaches at an ITF event earlier. He said they are provided with apartments, etc by the government, but have to give all their prize money.

Slumpsova
Jan 20th, 2005, 05:56 PM
this is ridiculous :rolleyes: Asian Games will be held next year, not in sebtember :o

how can they care about Asia Games so much? i mean China always get tons of gold medals from the event.

Volcana
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:12 PM
oh god :rolleyes:
It's such a shame that personal freedom is a foreign concept in large parts of the world.This isn't a 'personal freedom' issue. Just as, in the States, you have to abide by the rules of the national federation to recieve their support, so too in China. Remember the US Tennis Federation refused to support Meghann Shaughnessy when she wouldn't fire her coach. The Chinese Tennis federation supports players from when their very young in return for that level of control. You can do without that support if you want to avoid that level of control. Shaui Peng's coach stayed in the USA for ten years.

Next we'll be hearing, 'isn't it a shame that the Chinese government takes so much of the player's money'. As if we don't pay taxes in the USA.

ashwu
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:13 PM
... again you guys blame for nothing...

like i posted before, they won't play wimbledon because it's the national games days. not asian games or whatever you said. it's stupid, i agree. but don't give me the 'personal freedom' crap again, as i know, at least most of them would love to play the national games for their own province. because they supported them (money and others) and gave them a good condition to learn and play tennis. i agree the national game is just nothing, but from several interviews of li na, li ting and other chinese girls, i see they understand it, although a little bit regret to miss wimbeldon.

Martian KC
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Are we really surprised by this?:taped:

Pengwin
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:18 PM
... again you guys blame for nothing...

like i posted before, they won't play wimbledon because it's the national games days. not asian games or whatever you said. it's stupid, i agree. but don't give me the 'personal freedom' crap again, as i know, at least most of them would love to play the national games for their own province. because they supported them (money and others) and gave them a good condition to learn and play tennis. i agree the national game is just nothing, but from several interviews of li na, li ting and other chinese girls, i see they understand it, although a little bit regret to miss wimbeldon.

I agree completely, and not all people choose money over pride you know :worship:.

Vass22
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:23 PM
... again you guys blame for nothing...

like i posted before, they won't play wimbledon because it's the national games days. not asian games or whatever you said. it's stupid, i agree. but don't give me the 'personal freedom' crap again, as i know, at least most of them would love to play the national games for their own province. because they supported them (money and others) and gave them a good condition to learn and play tennis. i agree the national game is just nothing, but from several interviews of li na, li ting and other chinese girls, i see they understand it, although a little bit regret to miss wimbeldon.

Well... Even if I like doing something I would like to have the freedom to do otherwise. THere is no freedom. You can't deny it.

Btw. i realy hope that Chinese govt. Will not block access to this site because it is being criticized here.

skanky~skanketta
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:25 PM
and who is mary or any of u here for that matter (minus the chinese) to criticize that? i can say that i hate the over-freedom they have in the states, but thats because i was brought up that way. (only an example)

bis2806
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Well, China is a communist country. What do you expect...

Pengwin
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Well... Even if I like doing something I would like to have the freedom to do otherwise. THere is no freedom. You can't deny it.

Btw. i realy hope that Chinese govt. Will not block access to this site because it is being criticized here.

No it's not blocked...

Only websites like 'Boycott Olympics' are blocked.

Anyway, since you're coming from the country that turned China into a Communist Republic (which I don't even think was a bad thing), it's not like you're one to talk. :fiery:

LeRoy.
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:29 PM
whats with this sudden hatred (on this board) for everything Chinese ? I mean c'mon the girls are not even top players yet ? :rolleyes:

ashwu
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Well... Even if I like doing something I would like to have the freedom to do otherwise. THere is no freedom. You can't deny it.

Btw. i realy hope that Chinese govt. Will not block access to this site because it is being criticized here.
:mad: i'm in beijing. actually this site is easy to browse. in fact, i saw quite a few chinese members here. we don't write that much though. so don't pretend you know everything.

and the freedom crap again... :tape:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:13 PM
The commentators from my coverage were talking about how the government provides these players with everything, but keeps all their prize money. Something like what happened with players from the Soviet bloc around 15 years ago (read: Natasha Zvereva). The commentator discussing this had spoken to Chinese players and their coaches at an ITF event earlier. He said they are provided with apartments, etc by the government, but have to give all their prize money.
That's pretty much spot on. The Chinese government pays for their travel, coaching etc...but in return the girls have to the government about 80% of all the money they make. To be honest, I don't really think they are even aware of how much money they are being given. Shuai Peng was asked about this in Sydney and she kept looking at the moderator because she clearly didn't know anything about her financial status. THAT is what's fucked up to me.

Here's my other question though. The girls have to give the government large portions of their money because the government is paying for everything related to their tennis. Let's say one of these girls (Na Li for example) breaks into the top 20 and is making more than enough to support herself. Can she tell the government to go fuck themselves and that she'll pay for all her expenses if it means being able to do what she wants, when she wants?

JonBcn
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:19 PM
She'd probably have to leave China if she did.

I think people are guilty of judging this by very western standards. The Asian games could be of the utmost importance to these players for all we know. Some people are motivated by more than just ranking points and cash.

©@®eLess
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:22 PM
well let's see Mary when they take 200 medals at Olympics

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:26 PM
I think people are guilty of judging this by very western standards. The Asian games could be of the utmost importance to these players for all we know. Some people are motivated by more than just ranking points and cash.
Perhaps if it weren't scheduled smack in the middle of Wimbledon we would see some of the top Asian players doing the same. I can guarantee you though that Ai Sugiyama, Shinobu Asagoe, Tamarine Tanasugarn, and Akiko Morigami (currently the top 4 Asian players outside of China) will not show up. Neither will many of the Asian girls ranked between 100-230 because they'll want to play the grass court tuneups/Wimbledon qualifying. It'll be the top Chinese girls molesting the entire field in a glorified 10K event. Sugiyama, Tanasugarn, etc may have it SUGGESTED to them by their federations that they compete in the games, but it's not the case of China where it's like "You will go here and compete right now."

fammmmedspin
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:39 PM
This isn't a 'personal freedom' issue. Just as, in the States, you have to abide by the rules of the national federation to recieve their support, so too in China. Remember the US Tennis Federation refused to support Meghann Shaughnessy when she wouldn't fire her coach. The Chinese Tennis federation supports players from when their very young in return for that level of control. You can do without that support if you want to avoid that level of control. Shaui Peng's coach stayed in the USA for ten years.

Next we'll be hearing, 'isn't it a shame that the Chinese government takes so much of the player's money'. As if we don't pay taxes in the USA.
Rich americans pay taxes? Doubt if Serena hands over 80% to the USTA.

Don't know of any national association saying play here not there either. If the US Fed Cup team ran like this they would win a lot more Fed Cups. Momo would have been put into the tennis equivalent of the Bastille by Forget.

The reason is simple. They want their players to reflect Chinese power and to do that you win national, asian and olympic titles. National ones are important because they build up the domestic power base. Asia is beatable and your main priority. when you have secured your doorstep you want global recognition and ny then might have top players to claim it. Unless the Olympics is held on grass, going to Wimbledon adds no useful experience. No reason to expect to see Chinese tennis players much more than you see Chinese athletes.

BK4ever
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:51 PM
I thought Peng was not apart of the chinese federation team...

Last night Mary mentioned that her and NanNan Liu train at ITA...is that true or not?

PointBlank
Jan 20th, 2005, 09:22 PM
I thought Peng was not apart of the chinese federation team...

Last night Mary mentioned that her and NanNan Liu train at ITA...is that true or not?
She is part..in fact she couldnt go to Evert or Bolleteri(forget which) because the Chinesse wanted them to train with them that why they are with Ma in ITA..They can train here and still be with the fed.

Volcana
Jan 20th, 2005, 09:26 PM
Rich americans pay taxes? Doubt if Serena hands over 80% to the USTA.a) Given the costs of travel etc, I don't know if any of the Chinese players qualify as 'rich'.

b) When I lived in New York City, the government took about 38% of my income. That's not 80%, but there are countries in Europe with tax rates that high.

c) The national tennis federation is a government agency, so comparing government to government is apt.

Crazy Canuck
Jan 20th, 2005, 09:31 PM
She'd probably have to leave China if she did.

I think people are guilty of judging this by very western standards. The Asian games could be of the utmost importance to these players for all we know. Some people are motivated by more than just ranking points and cash.

Well said. The second line sums up what I was thinking while reading through this thread.

Capster
Jan 20th, 2005, 09:33 PM
china is stupid

PointBlank
Jan 20th, 2005, 09:51 PM
china is stupid
:rolleyes:

Pengwin
Jan 20th, 2005, 10:02 PM
china is stupid

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Declan
Jan 20th, 2005, 11:16 PM
Who remembers Hu Na? She defected from China to the U.S. in the 80s and had a respectable career in professional tennis.

wipeout
Jan 20th, 2005, 11:34 PM
China officals' actions sound like a recipe for player defection. :rolleyes:

Be ironic if all their best players run off to America and Europe and end up playing against China in the Olympics. ;)

TheBoiledEgg
Jan 20th, 2005, 11:52 PM
Simple reason for all the negativity towards the Chinese....... they see China as a threat :rolleyes:

before that it was Russia :(

henmanhill
Jan 20th, 2005, 11:53 PM
a) Given the costs of travel etc, I don't know if any of the Chinese players qualify as 'rich'.

b) When I lived in New York City, the government took about 38% of my income. That's not 80%, but there are countries in Europe with tax rates that high.

c) The national tennis federation is a government agency, so comparing government to government is apt.

I'd like to know which European Governement taxes at 80%. I admire your trying to defend the Chinese authorities on this, and I accept that the arguments aren't as simple and clear cut as some would believe, but taking 80% of a winners prize money is hardly democratic. I'm surprised they don't move to another country. Although, once they have had more experience on the tour and get a bit morew savvy I expect they will - especially if they strating winning majors.

Zummi
Jan 21st, 2005, 01:07 AM
It's not the Asian Games, it's the Chinese National Games...

The next Asian Games will be held in Doha in December 2006. All the top Asian players usually show up for this. The past few gold medal winners in singles have been Kimiko Date (1994), Yayuk Basuki (1998) & Iroda Tulyaganova (2002).

SelesFan70
Jan 21st, 2005, 01:39 AM
The commentators from my coverage were talking about how the government provides these players with everything, but keeps all their prize money. Something like what happened with players from the Soviet bloc around 15 years ago (read: Natasha Zvereva). The commentator discussing this had spoken to Chinese players and their coaches at an ITF event earlier. He said they are provided with apartments, etc by the government, but have to give all their prize money.


Zvereva doesn't nearly enough credit for doing what she did at the Family Circle Cup that year. That took a lot of guts. My mouth was literally hanging open when I heard her on TV say she's keeping the money. :worship:

mboyle
Jan 21st, 2005, 02:02 AM
Next we'll be hearing, 'isn't it a shame that the Chinese government takes so much of the player's money'. As if we don't pay taxes in the USA.
10/15% and 80/90% are very VERY different ballgames:rolleyes: .

Rafe306
Jan 21st, 2005, 02:17 AM
You guys need to stop being all ignorant and except the federation..This is obviously an important tournament for their country and they're trying improve the popularity of the sport in China i think

Fantastic
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:31 PM
It's great that we're all concerned about the Chinese women skipping Wimbledon, but I think showing national pride is more important, don't you? It's like choosing between your family and playing golf on weekends - there's no contest there. Playing golf wins out, of course! No, just kidding, it's family! Family wins out, of course! Sure, the choice was taken away from them, but I don't think any of them would knock back the opportunity to give back to their community. And making the decision for them shows how strongly the Chinese government feels about supporting their "family." It's a chance for the players to show how much appreciation they have for the government in taking care of all their needs. When they retire, they will be rewarded well.

Experimentee
Jan 21st, 2005, 04:44 PM
The Chinese girls are hardly ever allowed to play Wimbledon. Sometimes its for Asian games, or training for Olympics or whatever. Last year they werent allowed to play anything from Wimbledon to US Open because they were training for the Olympics.
I know that the Asian Games may be very important to them, but they should have a choice about whether to play there or not instead of being told.

Ted of Teds Tennis
Jan 21st, 2005, 06:30 PM
whats with this sudden hatred (on this board) for everything Chinese ? I mean c'mon the girls are not even top players yet ? :rolleyes:
Which Chinese are you talking about? "Republic of China on Taiwan" Chinese, or "Chinese Peking" Chinese?

One of the things that drives me up a wall regarding the mainland China sports federations is their childish attitude about letting the Republic of China on Taiwan compete under their own name, flag, or national anthem.

I find myself using the term "Chinese Peking" to refer to the mainland just to show how idiotic their policy is.

Black Mamba.
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:00 PM
I'm not suprised they are doing this. I need to look no further than Yao Ming in the NBA.

Pengwin
Jan 21st, 2005, 08:23 PM
Which Chinese are you talking about? "Republic of China on Taiwan" Chinese, or "Chinese Peking" Chinese?

One of the things that drives me up a wall regarding the mainland China sports federations is their childish attitude about letting the Republic of China on Taiwan compete under their own name, flag, or national anthem.

I find myself using the term "Chinese Peking" to refer to the mainland just to show how idiotic their policy is.


how would you like it if California decided it wanted to split away from America becuase of differences of opinion on war?