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BK4ever
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:18 AM
I know this has been said alot but the double standard that commentators have when dealing with the sisters is really sad.

Where was Mary dissing and carrying on about Hyperova's terrible stats tonight..the other day she was going on and on about Serena like her mouth had diarrhea :rolleyes:

Also if I have to hear Hyperova's story one more $%^&#*% time, I will scream...we get it...gosh I'm sure the average tennis fan could recite the story verbatim :rolleyes:

P.S. I'm no fan of Hyperova but she sure does have alot of heart.

harloo
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:21 AM
I know this has been said alot but the double standard that commentators have when dealing with the sisters is really sad.

Where was Mary dissing and carrying on about Hyperova's terrible stats tonight..the other day she was going on and on about Serena like her mouth had diarrhea :rolleyes:

Also if I have to hear Hyperova's story one more $%^&#*% time, I will scream...we get it...gosh I'm sure the average tennis fan could recite the story verbatim :rolleyes:

P.S. I'm no fan of Hyperova but she sure does have alot of heart.
You forgot to mention crazy Yuri in the stands jumping up and down taunting Maria's opponents. Another double standard!! Disgusting.

LeRoy.
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:21 AM
:yawn:

BK4ever
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:24 AM
:yawn:

u tired, go to bed!
it is rather late, don't you have primary school tomorrow?

Volcana
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:27 AM
I know this has been said alot but the double standard that commentators have when dealing with the sisters is really sad.Actually, no. When you're undertake anything as an outsider, you get critics. Succeeding at it makes some of them MORE critical. That's just how life is. Have youever stopped to think how the people who were the most vocal criticizing Richard Williams feel? After ten GS singles titles, six GS doubles titles, and four GS mixed doubles titles, plus Olympic Gold in singles and doubles, AND a Fed Cup title?

It's one thing to be wrong. It's another thing to be THAT wrong. There are probably still people on this board who wrote that neither of the Williams sister would ever win anything!

It's not sad. It's typical. There's no point feeling down about it. At this point, we'd nail people for hypocracy if they praised Venus or Serena.

And, for better or for worse 'Hyperova' is the defending Wimbledon champion. And she's hardly all over the airwaves a la Kournikova. Maybe it ain't all hype.

Just let it go.

Kabezya
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:28 AM
I don't disagree with you here, but what would criticism towards Maria accomplish other than criticism being directed at another player? Would it just be about the fairness of the criticism? Because if both are taken to task, then would the negative talk geared towards Serena be okay and then true? Wouldn't that then be a situation where Carillo couldn't be called unbiased, but she'd still have something to say about an area in Serena or Venus' game that would bother some. She's doing part of her job, we don't always like it, but at the end of the day what weight does her word actually have on Serena or Venus?

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:31 AM
u tired, go to bed!
it is rather late, don't you have primary school tomorrow?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

faboozadoo15
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:40 AM
your're right. she was nowhere near as critical. the matches were completely different though... lindsay is probably the best player who has been eliminated from the tournament, and camille was the worst player i have even seen on television (except elton john :tape: )
i have a feeling mary is saying what people want to hear. serena hasn't won big in a long time, and she's really letting her have it-- to the point where she sounds ridiculous.
and sharapova isn't playing clean tennis by any means, and they just say "yea, once again, too many errors from sharapova. she'd like to clean that up." i don't want this to turn into an anti-sharapova thread. it seems obvious that sesil and lindsay were far better opponents than either camille or dally.
it's also ironic that you are sick and tired o hearing about her story... think it's possible other fans got sick of hearing the williams sisters compton story? it's possible.
also, since yuri has been brought up... richard williams is lucky his daughters have come through for him and have had amazing careers-- because he's truly an idiot. i'm glad he has stayed away. he was insane, then really entertaining, then highly inappropriate. he has been all things. i haven't listened to him since he completely wrote off venus which she had her wrist injuries.
ppl say "look how much he's been right!" i say "and then look how much he's been wrong..." every idiot has his day.

Couver
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:40 AM
Ok do we really need another one? Come on lets be honest, those of us who see it, see it. You're never going to get people on this board to agree with you. You know it's there, and you acknowledge it. All you're asking for is a list of lame excuses and arguments about how "different" this situation is.

Rollo
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:51 AM
LOL@ your nickname for Sasha BK4ever-:lol:


Didn't see the match so I can't comment, though Mary was big on Venus last night.

AjdeNate!
Jan 19th, 2005, 05:53 AM
I too am outraged! Where is the talk of K-Lina? She hasn't been mentioned once. This double standard must end.

Anger.
Betrayal.

harloo
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:05 AM
I too am outraged! Where is the talk of K-Lina? She hasn't been mentioned once. This double standard must end.

Anger.
Betrayal.
:rolleyes:

AjdeNate!
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:06 AM
:rolleyes: Something in your eye?

harloo
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:09 AM
Something in your eye?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:20 AM
Ok do we really need another one? Come on lets be honest, those of us who see it, see it. You're never going to get people on this board to agree with you. You know it's there, and you acknowledge it. All you're asking for is a list of lame excuses and arguments about how "different" this situation is.
Oh, that's not entirely true. I never used to really see "it" myself, but it's more obvious to me these days. Maybe if people hadn't pointed "it" out over and over again (sometimes where it really probably didn't actually make sense), I would have never have come to acknowledge "it" on occasion.

But maybe it's just me :p

Crazy Canuck
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:22 AM
...

It's not sad. It's typical. There's no point feeling down about it. At this point, we'd nail people for hypocracy if they praised Venus or Serena.

...

So if people who once criticized them are able to see past their own nose these days an accept what has actually happened, and praise Venus and Serena for their great success... you'd critisize them? WTF? :confused:

God forbid that people grow and see past their mistakes of the past.

Crazy Canuck
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:23 AM
Oh.. and despite people being sick of hearing about it, yes, the thread starter is entirely correct.

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 01:10 PM
your're right. she was nowhere near as critical. the matches were completely different though... lindsay is probably the best player who has been eliminated from the tournament, and camille was the worst player i have even seen on television (except elton john :tape: )
i have a feeling mary is saying what people want to hear. serena hasn't won big in a long time, and she's really letting her have it-- to the point where she sounds ridiculous.
and sharapova isn't playing clean tennis by any means, and they just say "yea, once again, too many errors from sharapova. she'd like to clean that up." i don't want this to turn into an anti-sharapova thread. it seems obvious that sesil and lindsay were far better opponents than either camille or dally.
it's also ironic that you are sick and tired o hearing about her story... think it's possible other fans got sick of hearing the williams sisters compton story? it's possible.
also, since yuri has been brought up... richard williams is lucky his daughters have come through for him and have had amazing careers-- because he's truly an idiot. i'm glad he has stayed away. he was insane, then really entertaining, then highly inappropriate. he has been all things. i haven't listened to him since he completely wrote off venus which she had her wrist injuries.
ppl say "look how much he's been right!" i say "and then look how much he's been wrong..." every idiot has his day.In your eyes, he is an idiot, but to those of us that are V&S fans, he is the father/coach who has:

Coached his daughters to 10 GS singles titles, 6 GS ladies' doubles titles and 4 GS titles
Coached his daughters to 3 Olympic gold medals
Coached his daughters to 57 singles titles overall
Coached his daughters to the world number one position in the WTA
and
Raised exceptional daughters

Quite an accomplishement for an idiot:rolleyes:

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Raised exceptional daugt=hters
:confused:

Oh, and to BK ... :yawn:

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 01:25 PM
The thing is ... Maria is the one who's 17 and on the rise. And she won Wimbledon and the YEC. And beat Serena twice.

So Serena is the one who has to show that she's improving. Else ... more losses.

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 01:58 PM
The thing is ... Maria is the one who's 17 and on the rise. And she won Wimbledon and the YEC. And beat Serena twice.

So Serena is the one who has to show that she's improving. Else ... more losses.
Improve over what?

The only major title Serena has yet to win is the Olympic gold medal. Sharapvoa has a long way to go to catch up to Serena.

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:06 PM
Improve over what?

The only major title Serena has yet to win is the Olympic gold medal. Sharapvoa has a long way to go to catch up to Serena.
Improve over her 2004 performances.

You second sentence is not related to my post.

kabuki
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:12 PM
I'm torn on this issue.

On the one hand I get really pissed when I hear the commentators, esp. Mary, rip the sisters. It is definitely even worse when you get to see the loving adulation that is heaped on a certain Russian teenager and her transcontinental rags to riches story.

On the other hand, IMHO, part of what spurs Mary to nitpick the sisters is a fact that all of us know is true. The sisters could be the best players on the planet. The sisters should be the best players on the planet. Part of it is that Mary, like me, would really like to see Serena and Venus realize their untapped potential.

It definitely pisses me off, but I guess I hope that Mary's heart is in the right place? :shrug:

SJW
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:13 PM
you know what i found incredibly hilarious....eurosport commentators during sharapova's 2nd round match (4-6 6-0 6-3) saying she was developing an aura of invincibility...yea judging by the scoreline, lee waters must have been really shaking in her boots.

and also...headlines saying sharapova "eases" into round three....? :confused:

icequeen
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:39 PM
I know this has been said alot but the double standard that commentators have when dealing with the sisters is really sad.

Where was Mary dissing and carrying on about Hyperova's terrible stats tonight..the other day she was going on and on about Serena like her mouth had diarrhea :rolleyes:

Also if I have to hear Hyperova's story one more $%^&#*% time, I will scream...we get it...gosh I'm sure the average tennis fan could recite the story verbatim :rolleyes:

P.S. I'm no fan of Hyperova but she sure does have alot of heart.

Bingo.

DevilishAttitude
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:42 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :tape: :tape: :tape:

Do Williams fans have nothing else to do than complain and be obsessive about Serena and Venus. There's double standards :sad: Big fucking deal :rolleyes:. I'm sure Serena and Venus are worried about it. Oh I just remembered Serena and Richard always complain about not having people saying and doing things they want :tape: :rolleyes:

Infiniti2001
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:51 PM
:confused:

Oh, and to BK ... :yawn:

GoDominique, I personally don't pay lischris any mind, but enough already. are you a stalker? :rolleyes: :shrug:

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Improve over her 2004 performances.

You second sentence is not related to my post.

Well, Captian Obvious, we all know that.:rolleyes:

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:58 PM
you know what i found incredibly hilarious....eurosport commentators during sharapova's 2nd round match (4-6 6-0 6-3) saying she was developing an aura of invincibility...yea judging by the scoreline, lee waters must have been really shaking in her boots.

and also...headlines saying sharapova "eases" into round three....? :confused:

If she was invincibile, she would not have lost to the likes of Mashona Washington, Vera Zvonareva and Alicia Molik.

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 02:59 PM
GoDominique, I personally don't pay lischris any mind, but enough already. are you a stalker? :rolleyes: :shrug:
No. But as long as lizchris is advising other posters to take lessons in English ... :)

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Well, Captian Obvious, we all know that.:rolleyes:
Then what's the problem? :)

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Then what's the problem? :)

Look in the mirror.

icequeen
Jan 19th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I'm torn on this issue.

On the one hand I get really pissed when I hear the commentators, esp. Mary, rip the sisters. It is definitely even worse when you get to see the loving adulation that is heaped on a certain Russian teenager and her transcontinental rags to riches story.

On the other hand, IMHO, part of what spurs Mary to nitpick the sisters is a fact that all of us know is true. The sisters could be the best players on the planet. The sisters should be the best players on the planet. Part of it is that Mary, like me, would really like to see Serena and Venus realize their untapped potential.

It definitely pisses me off, but I guess I hope that Mary's heart is in the right place? :shrug:

What heart that heartlesss aint got no heart.

GoDominique
Jan 19th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Then what's the problem? :)
Nice try, but you have been complaining in this thread before I posted, so me and your problem can't be related. :)

Again, what's the problem? :)

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Where was Mary dissing and carrying on about Hyperova's terrible stats tonight..the other day she was going on and on about Serena like her mouth had diarrhea :rolleyes:

Mary was going on about Serena`s "nobody can beat me, I only beat myself, no one beat me last year" nonsense that was aired on ESPN. Mary was amused and so was I. Expect people to talk about you when you say and do silly things... :rolleyes:

raquel
Jan 19th, 2005, 06:43 PM
you know what i found incredibly hilarious....eurosport commentators during sharapova's 2nd round match (4-6 6-0 6-3) saying she was developing an aura of invincibility...yea judging by the scoreline, lee waters must have been really shaking in her boots.

Yes I remember hearing him saying that too. Simon Reed and Chris Bradnam absolutely worship Maria. Chris was talking the other night about how she had improved her physical strength and you could see it in her shoulders, which is fine, but then he couldn't resist making some comment about how her dress was tight fitting or something. You could almost hear his palms sweating and Frew McMillan dying in the chair next to him. And yes we got Maria's whole back story again. I bet even she is sick of listening to it. We all know she left Siberia as a kid and her dad waited tables and cycled to work and she didn't see her mother for years but fast forward to when she is 17 and she is a millionairess many times over, so lets not get too emotional and sentimental about it. There's millions of kids still in Siberia who live through poverty on a daily basis so Maria is lucky to say the least.

As for people calling Maria "Hyperova", I think she has proved already she is defintely the real deal and not just hype. I am not a huge fan but can't deny she's a great player.

darrinbaker00
Jan 19th, 2005, 07:48 PM
I have a question for everyone who thinks Mary Carillo's commentating is biased: is the volume control on your television set not working?

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 07:51 PM
u tired, go to bed!
it is rather late, don't you have primary school tomorrow?
:lol:

Frank
Jan 19th, 2005, 07:59 PM
Regardless whether those arguments are valid or not, why care?

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:02 PM
your're right. she was nowhere near as critical. the matches were completely different though... lindsay is probably the best player who has been eliminated from the tournament, and camille was the worst player i have even seen on television (except elton john :tape: )
i have a feeling mary is saying what people want to hear. serena hasn't won big in a long time, and she's really letting her have it-- to the point where she sounds ridiculous.
That's fair.

and sharapova isn't playing clean tennis by any means, and they just say "yea, once again, too many errors from sharapova. she'd like to clean that up." i don't want this to turn into an anti-sharapova thread. it seems obvious that sesil and lindsay were far better opponents than either camille or dally.
Yep, Maria got outplayed.

it's also ironic that you are sick and tired o hearing about her story... think it's possible other fans got sick of hearing the williams sisters compton story? it's possible.
Most definitely. I for one certainly got tired of hearing the "Compton story", and I'm equally sick of the Russian story.

also, since yuri has been brought up... richard williams is lucky his daughters have come through for him and have had amazing careers-- because he's truly an idiot. i'm glad he has stayed away. he was insane, then really entertaining, then highly inappropriate. he has been all things. i haven't listened to him since he completely wrote off venus which she had her wrist injuries.
ppl say "look how much he's been right!" i say "and then look how much he's been wrong..." every idiot has his day.

If Richard is an idiot, Yuri is a psychopath. It may be true that every idiot has his day, but I've never seen an idiot make almost a billion dollars off a lucky guess. You are really underplaying the man's intellect. Yuri will be lucky if he can accomplish with Maria what Richard has accomplished with Vee and Serena.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:03 PM
LOL@ your nickname for Sasha BK4ever-:lol:


Didn't see the match so I can't comment, though Mary was big on Venus last night.
Mary Carillo is and always has been in love with Vee. I really think she has the hots for Vee.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:10 PM
I'm torn on this issue.

On the one hand I get really pissed when I hear the commentators, esp. Mary, rip the sisters. It is definitely even worse when you get to see the loving adulation that is heaped on a certain Russian teenager and her transcontinental rags to riches story.

On the other hand, IMHO, part of what spurs Mary to nitpick the sisters is a fact that all of us know is true. The sisters could be the best players on the planet. The sisters should be the best players on the planet. Part of it is that Mary, like me, would really like to see Serena and Venus realize their untapped potential.

It definitely pisses me off, but I guess I hope that Mary's heart is in the right place? :shrug:
:worship: :worship: :worship: I love this post. It's true. I really think Mary is fair and I think it disheartens her that Serena and Vee are not playing up to their potential.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:11 PM
you know what i found incredibly hilarious....eurosport commentators during sharapova's 2nd round match (4-6 6-0 6-3) saying she was developing an aura of invincibility...yea judging by the scoreline, lee waters must have been really shaking in her boots.

and also...headlines saying sharapova "eases" into round three....? :confused:
:haha: :haha: :haha:

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:13 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Were you on your back laughing after the last two Maria/Serena matches? I am just curious... ;)

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:13 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :tape: :tape: :tape:

Do Williams fans have nothing else to do than complain and be obsessive about Serena and Venus. There's double standards :sad: Big fucking deal :rolleyes:. I'm sure Serena and Venus are worried about it. Oh I just remembered Serena and Richard always complain about not having people saying and doing things they want :tape: :rolleyes:
Do Williams fan haters have nothing else to do than complain about us complaining and being obsessive over us loving our favs. Oh that's right, when one of your favs is shit in the rankings and the other is going downhill fast, you don't have anything better to do. :rolleyes:

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Do Williams fan haters have nothing else to do than complain about us complaining and being obsessive over us loving our favs. Oh that's right, when one of your favs is shit in the rankings and the other is going downhill fast, you don't have anything better to do. :rolleyes:

It`s all good, cannot fault a man for being curious Denise. By the way Sesil wants to work over Serena too... ;)

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Were you on your back laughing after the last two Maria/Serena matches? I am just curious... ;)
No and I wasn't curled up in the fetal position like you will be when Hypernova gets her ass waxed in this tournament. Ohhhh, how I hope she meets Serena again. I hope I hope I hope I hope. :) :lol:

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:20 PM
It`s all good, cannot fault a man for being curious Denise. By the way Sesil wants to work over Serena too... ;)
Who is Sesil?

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Who is Sesil?

You`ll learn soon enough... ;)

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:23 PM
You`ll learn soon enough... ;)
Is that a first or last name, because I looked her up in the AO players list and I don't see a Sesil. When will I learn who it is? :confused:

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Sesil Karatantcheva. I cannot really write you a bio here as it is off topic but if still curious, PM me.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Sesil Karatantcheva. I cannot really write you a bio here as it is off topic but if still curious, PM me.
I found her on WTA site. She's ranked 282, didn't qualify for the AO, and you think she will beat one of my favs sometime soon, is that what your comment is about? Is she still 14? If so, I'll give her a little time to grow up. She sounds up and coming though.

TFan1156
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I found her on WTA site. She's ranked 282, didn't qualify for the AO, and you think she will beat one of my favs sometime soon, is that what your comment is about? Is she still 14? If so, I'll give her a little time to grow up. She sounds up and coming though.

Your information is dated. She is ranked 109 and is beating top 50 players. Also did qualify for the AO, lost in round one to Maria.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Your information is dated. She is ranked 109 and is beating top 50 players. Also did qualify for the AO, lost in round one to Maria.
Oh, my bad. But, she sounds promising. :yeah:

DevilishAttitude
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Do Williams fan haters have nothing else to do than complain about us complaining and being obsessive over us loving our favs.

I'm not a hater and I'm telling the truth about the obsession :rolleyes: I'm not surprised there's denial :tape:

Oh that's right, when one of your favs is shit in the rankings and the other is going downhill fast, you don't have anything better to do. :rolleyes:

I'm not a hater and I'm telling the truth about the obsession :rolleyes: I'm not surprised there's denial :tape:

Iroda has been injured for nearly 18 months and has played only 3 tournaments. Jennifer has been struggling with injuries for over a year yet is still in the Top 10 and beats Serena 3 times last year so I wouldn't call her going downhill. If Jenny is going downhill according to you then Serena and Venus definetly are :rolleyes: I stating my opinion :rolleyes: If you think it's cos I've *nothing else to do* then :retard: @ you :o

SJW
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM
i have to agree with Devilish. Serena losing to Sharapova and Capriati more than once last year is the ultimate sign of decline :o

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I'm not a hater and I'm telling the truth about the obsession :rolleyes: I'm not surprised there's denial :tape:

Iroda has been injured for nearly 18 months and has played only 3 tournaments. Jennifer has been struggling with injuries for over a year yet is still in the Top 10 and beats Serena 3 times last year so I wouldn't call her going downhill. If Jenny is going downhill according to you then Serena and Venus definetly are :rolleyes: I stating my opinion :rolleyes: If you think it's cos I've *nothing else to do* then :retard: @ you :o

She is, at the moment, ranked behind the sisters and depending on what Molik and whoever is ranked near her does at the AO, may find herself out of top ten. Since Serena has no points to defend until late March, she is looking to at least re-enter the top five. And Venus has virtually nothing to defend until early March, so if she does well until then, she will move up in the rankings also.

faboozadoo15
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:26 PM
That's fair.


Yep, Maria got outplayed.


Most definitely. I for one certainly got tired of hearing the "Compton story", and I'm equally sick of the Russian story.



If Richard is an idiot, Yuri is a psychopath. It may be true that every idiot has his day, but I've never seen an idiot make almost a billion dollars off a lucky guess. You are really underplaying the man's intellect. Yuri will be lucky if he can accomplish with Maria what Richard has accomplished with Vee and Serena.
maria outplayed? wouldn't go that far. she played against someone who played well, but maria was certainly the better player.

nearly a billion? well, hats off to him. does he have his own sources of enormous income that i'm not aware of? because venus and serena aren't getting near a billion anytime soon. also, does this wealth come from investing money that his daughters made? in the end, everything hinged on them and their play as far as his success.

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:30 PM
maria outplayed? wouldn't go that far. she played against someone who played well, but maria was certainly the better player.

nearly a billion? well, hats off to him. does he have his own sources of enormous income that i'm not aware of? because venus and serena aren't getting near a billion anytime soon. also, does this wealth come from investing money that his daughters made? in the end, everything hinged on them and their play as far as his success.
She would. In fact, she admitted that she was outplayed in the first set.

Black Mamba.
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Why are people getting upset, we know it goes down like this at every tournament they play in.

Opalgirl02
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:36 PM
I want to thank Tim Ryan for the fine job he did on commentating Serena and Dally R. match. He made a lot of positive comments on Serena play. Mary Joe tried so hard to mess thing up but Mr. Ryan continue to make positive statements. I believe he will be fair to all players. Thank you again Tim Ryan.

TeamUSA#1
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Mary was a bit tough on Serena the other nite, but I think her comments came from the point of view that Serena was the dominant player on the tour for 1 1/2 years, and she can be again if she sorts out her serve and plays a little more often (barring injury hopefully!)

Serena is my 2nd favorite player behind Jennifer, but I do wonder sometimes why she says stuff about how no one can beat her and she is the only one who can beat herself. In 2002-2003 she could get away with that comment, because it was pretty much true, but in 2004 and now, that comment is not true, and she will need to raise her game if she wants to say stuff like that (again, I am not a big fan of that kind of talk to the media, but whatever....) Sometimes, I think Serena gets scrutinized more than the others because she makes comments like these--- she is just inviting attention.

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:42 PM
I want to thank Tim Ryan for the fine job he did on commentating Serena and Dally R. match. He made a lot of positive comments on Serena play. Mary Joe tried so hard to mess thing up but Mr. Ryan continue to make positive statements. I believe he will be fair to all players. Thank you again Tim Ryan.
What did Mary Joe have to say?

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:44 PM
maria outplayed? wouldn't go that far. she played against someone who played well, but maria was certainly the better player.
From the article on Australian Open website
Serena, Svetlana Breeze Through
by David Meddows
Wednesday, 19 January, 2005

"Sharapova admitted to being outplayed early and surprised by her 27-year-old opponent.

"She played amazing in the first set, was moving side to side really well. It seemed like everything was going in, from my side I was making too many errors," the Russian said."




nearly a billion? well, hats off to him. does he have his own sources of enormous income that i'm not aware of? because venus and serena aren't getting near a billion anytime soon. also, does this wealth come from investing money that his daughters made? in the end, everything hinged on them and their play as far as his success.

Maybe not a billion, but he's closer to a billion dollars then you or I will ever be. Okay, if it makes you feel any better, MULTI-MILLIONAIRE. Will you dispute that? I'm sure their combined wealth is way over 100 Million dollars. Secondly, I wouldn't know about his sources of income, but I'm sure he has investments. I'm sure someone is managing the Williams' family very large financial portfolio. But know this, if it hadn't been for him, his daughters may never have made the money they made. I'm sure his and his wife's sacrifices and coaching contributed to their earnings as well. So, I wouldn't say Venus and Serena did it all by themselves and I know they wouldn't say that. I don't agree that everything hinged on them and their play as far as his success, but his vision and hardwork in getting them to where they are. God blessed them with talent and Richard had the vision and made it happen. That's something you nor anyone else can take away from him.

volta
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:46 PM
double standards are for people that canīt think with their head and donīt have personelaty. well LOSERS is the word :angel:

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 09:53 PM
I'm not a hater and I'm telling the truth about the obsession :rolleyes: I'm not surprised there's denial :tape:

Iroda has been injured for nearly 18 months and has played only 3 tournaments. Jennifer has been struggling with injuries for over a year yet is still in the Top 10 and beats Serena 3 times last year so I wouldn't call her going downhill. If Jenny is going downhill according to you then Serena and Venus definetly are :rolleyes: I stating my opinion :rolleyes: If you think it's cos I've *nothing else to do* then :retard: @ you :o
What's up with the bad rep man?? I didn't give you one for your opinion. Like you I rendered my opinion. What you are calling truth is in fact not truth, but your opinion of what you think is the truth. I'm not surprised there's denial either. :tape:

Why are you giving excuses about Iroda and Jen in this thread? Start one for them and you can discuss them all you like. I promise no Williams fan will enter and accuse you of obsessing and complaining, because we are frankly not that interested. I thought Jen only beat Serena at the French (3 sets), got her ass beaten royally (pardon the pun) in 2 sets at Wimby by Serena and beat Serena in 3 sets at the US Open. If there was another time and I've forgotten, please refresh my recollection. I would call not winning a title in four years going downhill, in addition to falling in the ranking. :cool:

lizchris
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:07 PM
I thought Jen only beat Serena at the French (3 sets), got her ass beaten royally (pardon the pun) in 2 sets at Wimby by Serena and beat Serena in 3 sets at the US Open. If there was another time and I've forgotten, please refresh my recollection. I would call not winning a title in four years going downhill, in addition to falling in the ranking. :cool:

Jennifer beat Serena at the Rome SF last year. Amelie beat her in the final.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Jennifer beat Serena at the Rome SF last year. Amelie beat her in the final.
Oh okay, thanks.

cartmancop
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:30 PM
I agree, we all know the Sharapova story.....please stop telling it. I think we're doomed to hear it for the rest of her career kind of like how they tell us every match that the WS grew up in Compton as if its breaking news.

faboozadoo15
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:39 PM
From the article on Australian Open website
Serena, Svetlana Breeze Through
by David Meddows
Wednesday, 19 January, 2005

"Sharapova admitted to being outplayed early and surprised by her 27-year-old opponent.

"She played amazing in the first set, was moving side to side really well. It seemed like everything was going in, from my side I was making too many errors," the Russian said."






Maybe not a billion, but he's closer to a billion dollars then you or I will ever be. Okay, if it makes you feel any better, MULTI-MILLIONAIRE. Will you dispute that? I'm sure their combined wealth is way over 100 Million dollars. Secondly, I wouldn't know about his sources of income, but I'm sure he has investments. I'm sure someone is managing the Williams' family very large financial portfolio. But know this, if it hadn't been for him, his daughters may never have made the money they made. I'm sure his and his wife's sacrifices and coaching contributed to their earnings as well. So, I wouldn't say Venus and Serena did it all by themselves and I know they wouldn't say that. I don't agree that everything hinged on them and their play as far as his success, but his vision and hardwork in getting them to where they are. God blessed them with talent and Richard had the vision and made it happen. That's something you nor anyone else can take away from him.
outplayed EARLY... and IN THE FIRST SET. she was never close to losing, and in the end, she outplayed lee-waters. she won 12 of the lasy 15 games.

so you really don't know how much money richard has garnered... okay. and you speculate that he has made good investments. how do you know he hasn't make bad ones? i'm sure he had a lot to do with venus and serena's success... anyway, not everyone who has money is intelligent. i think some of the things he has said over the years have made people think he was lacking the full deck of cards.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:45 PM
outplayed EARLY... and IN THE FIRST SET. she was never close to losing, and in the end, she outplayed lee-waters. she won 12 of the lasy 15 games.

so you really don't know how much money richard has garnered... okay. and you speculate that he has made good investments. how do you know he hasn't make bad ones? i'm sure he had a lot to do with venus and serena's success... anyway, not everyone who has money is intelligent. i think some of the things he has said over the years have made people think he was lacking the full deck of cards.
Duhhhhhhhh :smash: clearly, even though I just said "she got outplayed", I meant the first set. Why would I say that for the whole match if she won? Good God!!! :rolleyes: Calm the fuck down. You see, you make me hate that blond wench even more than I already do.

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:51 PM
so you really don't know how much money richard has garnered... okay. and you speculate that he has made good investments. how do you know he hasn't make bad ones? i'm sure he had a lot to do with venus and serena's success... anyway, not everyone who has money is intelligent. i think some of the things he has said over the years have made people think he was lacking the full deck of cards.
faboo, give it a rest. Of course I don't really know how much money richard has garnered, earned, invested, etc. and neither do you. It may be a billion dollars, you don't know and I don't know. Are you like a teenager or something? With all investments come good and bad ones. I never said everyone with money is intelligent. You inferred that he was lucky in his predictions about his daughters' success because he is an idiot. I stated that I had never seen an idiot make almost a billion dollars off a lucky guess. I know that many people in the tennis world and in the business world would disagree with you about him being an idiot. :) Yep, crazy like a fox. ;)

cheesestix
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:52 PM
I promise no Williams fan will enter and accuse you of obsessing and complaining, because we are frankly not that interested.

So now you speak for all Williams fans? :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Jan 19th, 2005, 10:56 PM
So now you speak for all Williams fans? :rolleyes:
Cheese, go ahead and get it all out of your system. Attack, attack, attack. Let me know when you're finished. Side note though, you only make yourself look like a trolling stalker. But, if you don't care, me either. Have a nice evening and knock yourself out. :kiss:

glamorama
Jan 19th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Serena is not the only one criticised by the commentators, you know... ever watched a Dementieva match where they didn't constantly diss her because of her serve? I hate that, because they are so ready to put women's tennis as a whole down (saying it can't be very good if a player with Dementieva's serve is near the top, but never mentioning all the great things about her game).

I think when people like Mary C are harsh to Serena, they do it because they expect the public to know how good she can be. And though I think she's had good results given her circumstances since she got injured, it's a fair point to say that she's got a long way to go to get back to where she was.

jacobruiz
Jan 20th, 2005, 12:15 AM
[QUOTE=Denise4925]From the article on Australian Open website
Serena, Svetlana Breeze Through
by David Meddows
Wednesday, 19 January, 2005

"Sharapova admitted to being outplayed early and surprised by her 27-year-old opponent.

"She played amazing in the first set, was moving side to side really well. It seemed like everything was going in, from my side I was making too many errors," the Russian said."


Maria is so refreshingly honest and down to earth in her post-match interviews. None of this "that wasn't me in the first set" stuff. And she certainly turned it around in the second and third sets.:D

DevilishAttitude
Jan 20th, 2005, 07:49 AM
What's up with the bad rep man?? I didn't give you one for your opinion. Like you I rendered my opinion. What you are calling truth is in fact not truth, but your opinion of what you think is the truth. I'm not surprised there's denial either. :tape:

Why are you giving excuses about Iroda and Jen in this thread? Start one for them and you can discuss them all you like. I promise no Williams fan will enter and accuse you of obsessing and complaining, because we are frankly not that interested. I thought Jen only beat Serena at the French (3 sets), got her ass beaten royally (pardon the pun) in 2 sets at Wimby by Serena and beat Serena in 3 sets at the US Open. If there was another time and I've forgotten, please refresh my recollection. I would call not winning a title in four years going downhill, in addition to falling in the ranking. :cool:

Jennifer hasn't won a title in 1 and a half years not 4 :)

Jakeev
Jan 20th, 2005, 08:27 AM
I'm not going to agree or disagree in this thread because so far the only completed woman's match i have seen is tonight's Venus/Peng match.

From what I heard, Mary was objectional and accurate of both players this evening. She commented on a quote by Oracene Price saying she was THE coach of the sisters with respect, but also with very choice and accurate critiques.

Frankly, I think Mary want's to see the old sister's back, but with new and improved styles. Ok perhaps not so much with Serena, but Mary did say Serena was the more complete player, but in my mind, believes Venus should be dominating her opponents a lot more.

I sometimes wonder if Venus fans are just too critical of commentators. I am just not sure what they want them to say about her.

But from what I was listening to tonight, I thought Mary's commentary was spot on about Venus and Peng

Denise4925
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:20 PM
[QUOTE=Denise4925]From the article on Australian Open website
Serena, Svetlana Breeze Through
by David Meddows
Wednesday, 19 January, 2005

"Sharapova admitted to being outplayed early and surprised by her 27-year-old opponent.

"She played amazing in the first set, was moving side to side really well. It seemed like everything was going in, from my side I was making too many errors," the Russian said."


Maria is so refreshingly honest and down to earth in her post-match interviews. None of this "that wasn't me in the first set" stuff. And she certainly turned it around in the second and third sets.:D

Oh please, I've heard Serena say a player was playing out of her mind and that she made too many errors. But, if Serena said she made too many errors, her detractors would immediately jumped on her for not giving her opponent enough credit. All you people know how to do is harp on one thing and you stick with it. You're no better than what you criticize Serena about, i.e. you never give her credit when it's due. Maria's so honest. :rolleyes: What about the zillion times her excuse was "I'm only 17" when she lost?

Denise4925
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Jennifer hasn't won a title in 1 and a half years not 4 :)
Oh really, what title has she won since the AO' 02?

glamorama
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:36 PM
Oh please, I've heard Serena say a player was playing out of her mind and that she made too many errors. But, if Serena said she made too many errors, her detractors would immediately jumped on her for not giving her opponent enough credit. All you people know how to do is harp on one thing and you stick with it. You're no better than what you criticize Serena about, i.e. you never give her credit when it's due. Maria's so honest. :rolleyes: What about the zillion times her excuse was "I'm only 17" when she lost?

People jump on Sharapova just as much as Serena, it's just different people each time, and they're all idiots.

Capriati won New Haven 2003, when her SF and F opponents retired with injuries :tape:

DevilishAttitude
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Oh really, what title has she won since the AO' 02?

New Haven 2003 :) Keep up :tape:

Glamorama so what if her SF and F opponents retired :rolleyes: a win's a win

Martian Willow
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Oh really, what title has she won since the AO' 02?

Do you follow tennis at all? :)

Mrs. Peel
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:43 PM
New Haven 2003 :) Keep up :tape:

Glamorama so what if her SF and F opponents retired :rolleyes: a win's a win
That is sooooo tired.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What a way to make your point.....some victory :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mrs. Peel
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Do you follow tennis at all? :)
It is obvious such a win by Capriati is wholly forgettable :tape:

Martian Willow
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:45 PM
So the double standard is Mary likes Venus more than Serena? That's not disgusting, it's just human nature.

Denise4925
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Do you follow tennis at all? :)
Yes, but I don't remember her winning anything. Obviously it wasn't that memorable. Please refresh my recollection. It's been awhile since she's won.

jacobruiz
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Oh please, I've heard Serena say a player was playing out of her mind and that she made too many errors. But, if Serena said she made too many errors, her detractors would immediately jumped on her for not giving her opponent enough credit. All you people know how to do is harp on one thing and you stick with it. You're no better than what you criticize Serena about, i.e. you never give her credit when it's due. Maria's so honest. :rolleyes: What about the zillion times her excuse was "I'm only 17" when she lost?You yourself made the point that Maria admitted to being "outplayed". How is this comparable to Serena, who has never admitted such a thing?
Why are you always trying to compare Maria to Serena? And how is "I'm only 17" being dishonest? Maria has said this several times (NOT a "zillion") because she is honest with herself, knows she needs to improve her game, and doesn't deny she was outplayed if she loses a set or a match because she believes she will get better as she gets a little older and more experienced.

aerosolmajik
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:32 PM
I like Mary C.
she was one of the sisters biggest supporters when they first began on the WTA tour...she just gives her opinion...at least she is not giving fake praise.
She shows them love too ....and since she isn't fake and flip floppy like Mary Joe and Chris Everett with her commentary I believe and appreciate her positive observations more.

Denise4925
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:34 PM
You yourself made the point that Maria admitted to being "outplayed". How is this comparable to Serena, who has never admitted such a thing?
Why are you always trying to compare Maria to Serena? And how is "I'm only 17" being dishonest? Maria has said this several times (NOT a "zillion") because she is honest with herself, knows she needs to improve her game, and doesn't deny she was outplayed if she loses a set or a match.
I didn't compare them on this issue. You did when you sarcastically remarked on the following: "Maria is so refreshingly honest and down to earth in her post-match interviews. None of this "that wasn't me in the first set" stuff. And she certainly turned it around in the second and third sets". I think you have it the other way around. Sharapova fans are always comparing her to Serena. Why should Serena need to compare herself to a 17 year old who obviously still needs to work on her game. I never said she was being dishonest in saying she's only 17 when she loses, it's an excuse she uses and her fans use when it's convenient. As it is not being dishonest when Serena says that wasn't her playing in that match. Obviously she's referring to what she knows she's capable of. You don't actually think that she's trying to convince people who saw her in that match that that really wasn't her there physically? :lol: