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VeeReeDavJCap81
Jan 4th, 2005, 06:55 PM
I mean, Serena at her best has easily THE best serve in the women's game. Not just for power, but for placement, consistency, spin...you name it. How dangerous would Lena be if she could learn to do that??? I mean she's already in the top ten with a senior citizen country club type serve, pretty impressive to me.

DA FOREHAND
Jan 4th, 2005, 06:59 PM
She'd be top two easily with a couple of slams trophies in her case.

katiektc
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:11 PM
She'd be a legend.

Wiggly
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Wolrd Nu,ber One during 8 years ;)

Vass22
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:18 PM
No.1 in the world, no less.

Calimero377
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:19 PM
She'd be top two easily with a couple of slams trophies in her case.


Top one.

faboozadoo15
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:29 PM
i'd say pretty unstoppable on anything but grass. yeah, she'd have the serve, but her ground game really isn't as suited to grass as it is to slower surfaces.
#1 material for sure. she already is even with the serve she's got....

pinkfrog
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:41 PM
she'd be freakin' awesome!!!!!!

jenny161185
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:46 PM
after watching her in the USO semi ad final if she had a serve like Serenas it would be her and Serena 1 and 2 in the world.My dad who doesnt watch tennis said duing the Usopen semi shes not going to beat her from the back of the court

SzavayFi
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:50 PM
definately number one, but the problem is is that she CANT have a serve as good as Serenas.

NicoMary
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:11 PM
she would be as serena or davenport a strong player with a strong serve...nothing more

DEETHELICK
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:18 PM
She would be a stalwart Top 4 player (there's just way too many talented girls) moving between 1-4 regularly.

She will never have a serve like Serena IMO, but if the off season reports are accurate, Elena's serve has improved which leads me to believe that she will make further progress in 2005.

Elena has always been a dangerous player, her ground game is impeccable. She has know developed an all court awareness due to her coach. She is built well for the modern game and is very speedy (unusual for tall women, her and Venus are the only really fast, tall women I know).

However all this, and a serve are useless if the mental game is not in tact.

With a serve like Serena, Elena would be a GS favourite everywhere (including Wimbledon). To be dominant, she needs more mental development which I am sure will happen too :)

timray
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM
And How Dangerous would Alicia Molik be if she had ground game like Elena Dementieva ?

And How Cool would Elena Dementieva be if she had face like Daniela Hantuchova ?

And How Dangerous would Daniela Hantuchova be if she had power like Lindsay Davenport ?

And How Cool would Lindsay Davenport be if she had sister like Alicia Molik?

Mathijs
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:49 PM
She'd be a legend.
Yeah Kat and also the No.1

She would be also a very big threat for the Majors and the GS :)

i am hoping that it'll happen someday :yeah:

Good Luck in 2005 Elena :yeah:

Serena!
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:52 PM
She would be a GRAND SLAM WINNER!

switz
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:54 PM
i don't know. she can be play horrible tennis from the baseline as well. this may be partly due to bad serving affecting her overall game but if you look at her record last year she was demolished on quite a few occasions and by players ranked well below her.

she definitely has some of the best groundies in the world at her best but i think most players would be much better with serena's serve.

timray
Jan 4th, 2005, 09:00 PM
she definitely has some of the best groundies in the world at her best but i think most players would be much better with serena's serve.

exactly :clap2:

Stamp Paid
Jan 4th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Wow, what if Serena had Dementieva's ground game? With Serena's mental strength and serve, this player would be one of the greatest of all time, because Serena already is with her current ground game.

!<blocparty>!
Jan 4th, 2005, 09:41 PM
She would be pretty good. But almost every player has flaws. How great would Lindsay have been with great movement?

smarties
Jan 4th, 2005, 09:57 PM
She would be pretty good. But almost every player has flaws. How great would Lindsay have been with great movement?

I agree but why many bring this up about Lena is because it's more unusual for a tennis player to have a really bad serve than bad volleys or bad movement.

!<blocparty>!
Jan 4th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I agree but why many bring this up about Lena is because it's more unusual for a tennis player to have a really bad serve than bad volleys or bad movement.

Yes. I know. I was just making a point. I didn't say it was a bad thing bringing this up, i just pointed out almost every player has a weakness, big or small :)

Jakeev
Jan 4th, 2005, 10:05 PM
She would definitely be a major force on tour. Her quickness and huge forehand is nearly the best in the game. I still think her backhand could be better but a huge serve would definitely help her win more matches.

tennisjunky
Jan 4th, 2005, 10:28 PM
which is worse
a bad serve (dementieva, hingis)
slow movement (davenport, seles)
inconsistent groundies (venus, iva majoli)
weak return of serve (mauresmo, conchita)
no real weapons (myskina, aranxta)

if all those players could improve their weaknesses some of them would have been unstopable. but what if these players weaknesses also plays a part in their strenghts being as good as they are? elena better be solid off the ground with a serve like hers, maybe if she had a better serve how groundies wouldn't have developed like they have. i'm just saying maybe, who knows.

Oneofakind0490
Jan 4th, 2005, 10:33 PM
She would be very good. There would be a Dementieva Slam instead of the Serena Slam :p . But like people said everyone has weaknesses.

Lemonskin.
Jan 4th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Nah way.

Dementieva with MOLIK's serve :cool:

Chrissie-fan
Jan 5th, 2005, 12:01 AM
She would have won a slam by now even if she had only an average serve like,say,Martina Hingis. Anything but the serve she has now... :smoke:

Knizzle
Jan 5th, 2005, 12:05 AM
It's hard to say, her head is what's really keeping her from going to the next level, not her serve. Her serve won't be destroyed every match so she still has chances to win.

JenFan75
Jan 5th, 2005, 01:17 AM
I mean, Serena at her best has easily THE best serve in the women's game. Not just for power, but for placement, consistency, spin...you name it. How dangerous would Lena be if she could learn to do that??? I mean she's already in the top ten with a senior citizen country club type serve, pretty impressive to me.

Sorry to be off-topic, but Serena, even at her best, doesn't have the best serve in the world. Maria does.

Knizzle
Jan 5th, 2005, 01:18 AM
Sorry to be off-topic, but Serena, even at her best, doesn't have the best serve in the world. Maria does.
You're crazy if you believe that.

switz
Jan 5th, 2005, 01:24 AM
Sorry to be off-topic, but Serena, even at her best, doesn't have the best serve in the world. Maria does.

please. that is such a stupid comment. sharapova's serve is not in serena's league. next you'll be saying capriati is the fittest player on tour

SzavayFi
Jan 5th, 2005, 02:55 AM
Sorry to be off-topic, but Serena, even at her best, doesn't have the best serve in the world. Maria does.
:haha: Lol good one, Maria no, Many before her after Serena, try Svetlana, Molik, and Nadia

JenFan75
Jan 5th, 2005, 03:15 AM
please. that is such a stupid comment. sharapova's serve is not in serena's league. next you'll be saying capriati is the fittest player on tour


Naw. Mary Pierce. :p

SzavayFi
Jan 5th, 2005, 03:28 AM
Naw. Mary Pierce. :p
:haha: thats funny :yeah:

switz
Jan 5th, 2005, 05:35 AM
Naw. Mary Pierce. :p

um mary actually got off her arse and got back into decent shape in case you didn't notice.

Junex
Jan 5th, 2005, 05:43 AM
i don't know. she can be play horrible tennis from the baseline as well. this may be partly due to bad serving affecting her overall game but if you look at her record last year she was demolished on quite a few occasions and by players ranked well below her.

she definitely has some of the best groundies in the world at her best but i think most players would be much better with serena's serve.


Indeed!


I am a Elena D fan and she is such a great fave of mine, but let me be the first to say that in this boards, her groundies is way overrated.

if you really look deep into the top 100, there are players ranked below her who had better groundies, and serve better than her actually.
We have only been amazed by her groundies because of how awful her serve is that we are left but to appreciate her winning just by her groundstrokes.

The fact is, she is more than just her groundstrokes. She is a real fighter and as long as she carried with her that "never say die attitude", it would always be hard to beat her.

elena is not just a technical game. How well her serve may be, it still doesn't guarantee her becoming one of the greats.

I, in fact, believe that if Elena have a great serve as Serena's, she will be lesser of a fighter as we know her of.

Prizeidiot
Jan 5th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Indeed!

I am a Elena D fan and she is such a great fave of mine, but let me be the first to say that in this boards, her groundies is way overrated.

if you really look deep into the top 100, there are players ranked below her who had better groundies, and serve better than her actually.
We have only been amazed by her groundies because of how awful her serve is that we are left but to appreciate her winning just by her groundstrokes.

The fact is, she is more than just her groundstrokes. She is a real fighter and as long as she carried with her that "never say die attitude", it would always be hard to beat her.

elena is not just a technical game. How well her serve may be, it still doesn't guarantee her becoming one of the greats.

I, in fact, believe that if Elena have a great serve as Serena's, she will be lesser of a fighter as we know her of.
You're kind of right. The rest of Elena's game might have developed so much because she had no serve. But I don't think players deep in the top 100 have better groundstrokes than her.

At this point in her game, if you gave her a Serena serve or a Molik serve, she'd be one hell of a player. She has the groundstrokes. She has the movement, and the ability to recover well from defense. She's not a great volleyer, but she's an effective volleyer. And most of all, she has heart. She wins on guts.

Heck, if you give Elena right now a serve that won't double fault 20 times a match, won't always slice to the forehand, won't land halfway in the service court and sit up, and travelled more than 120km and she'd be a heck of a lot better. And those qualities I just listed should be a prerequisite for a serve owned by anyone in the top 100.

I do realise everyone has weaknesses, but the reason this is being discussed is because its such a big weakness for such an important component part of anyone's game. To quote Jack Kramer, the second serve has made more players great than any other shot.

Most of the top women lack real consistent groundstrokes, good volleys. But these things don't matter so much in a power domated game.

Chunchun
Jan 5th, 2005, 10:04 AM
hope so :lick: