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Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:41 AM
The Russians have dominated the season 2004, but in their shadow stands many young and talented players from East Europe like Sprem, Jankovic, Hantuchova or Vaidisova. All in all there are 22 players of Eastern Europe (apart from Russia) which stand in the Top 100!

This is reason enough to start a little poll series on which everybody can vote its favourite player from East Europe (Russia not included)!

Yesterday started the Part 1 , today Part 2 and tomorrow Part 3! I take the 30 highest ranked players of East Europe and divide them in three parts after a certain system (I count from 1 to 3 and every first is in Poll 1, every second in Poll 2 and every third in Poll 3).

If you had not yet voted to Poll 1, here is the link to it:
Link to Poll 1: (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=145359)

The 3 best of each poll are going in the final poll which I will post at the end of the week! In this poll there will be the answer of the interesting question: Which is the favourite player of whole East Europe apart from the Russian stars!

And here are the candidats of Poll 2:

Madalena Maleeva (BUL/25)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/520/1mmalpic1.jpg

Eleni Daniilidou (GRE/34)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/582/21238807710daniilidou.jpg

Klara Koukalova (CZE/46)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/625/212318022004koukalova2.jpg

Barbora Strycova (CZE/57)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/3104/21238756740strycova.jpg

Petra Mandula (HUN/81)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/644/21238746750mandula.jpg

Katarina Srebotnik (SLO/87)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/630/12003-statefarm34.jpg

Kveta Peschke (CZE/93)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/3161/21239266272peschke.jpg

Ana Ivanovic (SCG/101)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/3213/21238598250ivanovic.jpg

Silvija Talaja (CRO/114)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/670/21239274261talaja.jpg

Julia Vakulenko (UKR/130)
http://cache.wtnphotos.com/3126/21237441475vakulenko.jpg

Atrixo
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:49 AM
I'm not sure Greece would be considered, an "Eastern European" country. Maybe geographically: but in terms of social/cultural alignment, it's pretty much a "Western European" country. So Daniildou, shouldn't be a part of that group. Just to nitpick, sorry. ;)

Ana Ivanovic is a player I look forward to most. She's going to make HUGE splash on the tour in 2005. Definitely someone to watch out and root for. :D

Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:52 AM
I'm not sure Greece would be considered, an "Eastern European" country. Maybe geographically: but in terms of social/cultural alignment, it's pretty much a "Western European" country. So Daniildou, shouldn't be a part of that group. Just to nitpick, sorry. ;)

Ana Ivanovic is a player I look forward to most. She's going to make HUGE splash on the tour in 2005. Definitely someone to watch out and root for. :D

Greece is South East and thus it is correct that Eleni Daniilidou is in the poll. My poll is mainly based on Geography although you are right that Greece is more "Western" than other countries. :D

My favourite player of Poll 2 is Ana Ivanovic! :)

Epigone
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:54 AM
Barbora Strycova :dance:

Prizeidiot
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:04 AM
Barbora Strycova. Couldn't help but be impressed by her Hopman Cup last year

Blackbeat
Jan 3rd, 2005, 12:06 PM
Marta Domachowska???

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 12:09 PM
And another vote for Ana although I don't really consider Serbia-Montenegro nor any of the X-YU republics to be eastern europe.

Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:17 PM
@Blackbeat: Marta Domachowska will be in Poll 3! ;)

@blablabla: But they are considered to Eastern Europe.
In the Geography you consider every country to Eastern Europe which is on the other side of the (former) EU frontier, on the other side of Germany, Austria and Italy and thus the countries of the former Yougoslavia (Croatia, Bosnia/Hercegovina, Sebria/Montenegro and Slovenia) are count to East Europe.

But I agree that it is sometimes confusing, so Austria and Finland are count to Western Europe for example, although they are pretty far on the East side (Helsinki has nearly the same meridian as Minsk!)

Shoulderpova
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:20 PM
no Hanchutova :confused:

Experimentee
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:25 PM
I dont think the Czech Rep is Eastern, it is central Europe. I vote for Koukalova anyway, also Strycova comes close.

Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:34 PM
no Hanchutova :confused:

I am making a Poll series with Part 1,2 and 3 of this subject!
You find the link to poll1 in the first post!

In Poll 1 are: Sprem, Hantuchova, Benesova, Sucha, Vaidisova, Kapros, Perebiynis, Pastikova, Bondarenko and Czink
In Poll 2 are: Maleeva, Daniilidou, Koukalova, Strycova, Mandula, Srebotnik, Peschke, Ivanovic, Talaja and Vakulenko
And in Poll 3 of tommorow will be: Jankovic, Kostanic, Chladkova, Domachowska, Fedak, Kurhajkova, Cervanova, Mamic, Dokic and Pisnik

Freakan
Jan 3rd, 2005, 02:51 PM
Ana!!!:D

Chunchun
Jan 3rd, 2005, 02:55 PM
Lovely Klara of cuz :hearts:

Joana
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:00 PM
Well, Ana Ivanovic of course :hearts:

St.Sebastian
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:05 PM
Kveta :)

crazillo
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:49 PM
Maggie for sure!

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 04:39 PM
In the Geography you consider every country to Eastern Europe which is on the other side of the...

Maybe in your geography. Not mine. There is as much cultural diversity in what you call "eastern europe" as western europe but you're unlikely to see a poll about the best player in western europe. That's why I consider it derogatory to be called east european. Shows ignorance in my opinion.

What's Ana Ivanovic got to do with Mandula ? Two completely different nations and they should be treated as such. Serbian and Hungarian are certainly more distinct ethnicities than the Dutch and Deutch, for example. So why put them together ?

Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:00 PM
Maybe in your geography. Not mine. There is as much cultural diversity in what you call "eastern europe" as western europe but you're unlikely to see a poll about the best player in western europe. That's why I consider it derogatory to be called east european. Shows ignorance in my opinion.

What's Ana Ivanovic got to do with Mandula ? Two completely different nations and they should be treated as such. Serbian and Hungarian are certainly more distinct ethnicities than the Dutch and Deutch, for example. So why put them together ?

I have never said that there are no cultural diversities in "eastern europe". I know very well some of the differences although I live in Luxembourg. I have read many reports about the countries of Eastern Europe as they were joining the European Union. Every nation is different from the other, so for example the Hungarian is a language which has nothing in common with a language elsewhere.
I have a friend which was traveling and living in Romania and from her I know quite alot from that country. I have read many about Russia (which is one of my favourite countries) and certainly you remember the several threads I have started with Russia! :)

What is so "derogatory" to talk about "Eastern" Europe? It is a term like any other and I want to harm nobody with that. And it shows not ignorance!!! :o

I am going to make similar polls in a few weeks with Western Europe and than Kim Clijsters will be in the same poll as Conchita Martinez and Amelie Mauresmo in the same poll as Marlene Weingärtner although they are all from different nations.

PS: It is not a shame to be an Eastern European! Many countries of Eastern Europe are now in the European Union and they will soon have the Euro. You have perhabs a problem with the notion Eastern Europe but I don't have!
It is the same as North America or South America and you would say: "Oh no, I'm from Panama (for example) and I don't want to be called South American, because it is so derogatory. ;)

*Jool*
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:07 PM
Katarina ! :hearts:

But I have to admit that my 3 of my fave players are in this poll : Srebotnik, Daniilidou and Maggie...
Nobody I really like in polls 3 or 1 :sad:

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:47 PM
What is so "derogatory" to talk about "Eastern" Europe? It is a term like any other and I want to harm nobody with that. And it shows not ignorance!!! :o
It's not what you think it's what I think because I consider "eastern european" to be a derogatory term and my country is being lumped together with these others for no apparent reason.

I wonder how other forumers from the regions that are being lumped together like this feel about it.

Why not do a best player in Europe forum instead of this Eastern crap ? It would be this lot + another three basically :)

pla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:59 PM
It's not what you think it's what I think because I consider "eastern european" to be a derogatory term and my country is being lumped together with these others for no apparent reason.

I wonder how other forumers from the regions that are being lumped together like this feel about it.

Why not do a best player in Europe forum instead of this Eastern crap ? It would be this lot + another three basically :)

May I ask what's the problem with the "Eastern" and what's the problem in "being lumped together like this"?

I am from Eastern Europe more precisely South-Eastern Europe and even more precisely the Balkans and have absolutely no problem with that.

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 06:19 PM
May I ask what's the problem with the "Eastern" and what's the problem in "being lumped together like this"?

I am from Eastern Europe more precisely South-Eastern Europe and even more precisely the Balkans and have absolutely no problem with that.
Your opinion. Fair enough. My opinion is that it is discriminatory and offensive unless we have a favorite player in western europe poll by the same person. See how silly that sounds ?

pla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 06:22 PM
Your opinion. Fair enough. My opinion is that it is discriminatory and offensive unless we have a favorite player in western europe poll by the same person. See how silly that sounds ?

It's not at all silly. I've never heard someone being offended because he was called "Western European" :D. And I see very well the point of drimal04.

----> Ops, I forgot to say I voted for Maggie (it's not a surprise, huh? :lol: )

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 06:29 PM
It's not at all silly. I've never heard someone being offended because he was called "Western European" :D. And I see very well the point of drimal04.

----> Ops, I forgot to say I voted for Maggie (it's not a surprise, huh? :lol: )So, like i said, lets see a favorite player in western europe poll by the same pollster that made this one.

Just to add balance.

Duramont
Jan 3rd, 2005, 06:44 PM
So, like i said, lets see a favorite player in western europe poll by the same pollster that made this one.

Just to add balance.

I will make a western europe poll with three parts in two weeks for sure, you have my promise! :D

I have no problem with being considered as a Western European and the notions Western Europe and Eastern Europe are not silly at all. Europe is going more and more together! The "European thought" is going more and more around!

In Luxembourg we have 10% of Portuguese population and I have some friends being Portuguese or Italian. We have different cultures, but we are all from Western Europe! :)

Your country, Serbia and Montenegro is NOT Western Europe but Southeast Europe to be correct. I made no different poll for Southeast Europe but include the players of Southeast like Sprem, Ivanovic or Daniilidou in the Eastern Europe poll. :)

You have my promise that there will be a Western Europe poll too and than you have to choose between Clijsters, Mauresmo or Schiavone for example or Schnyder, Barna and Martinez, and it will be no problem for anybody! :)

By the way see that image and you will discover your country under "Eastern Europe" :) :

http://www.cdc.gov/travel/yb/images/map_e_europe.gif


A good advice blablabla, never fight with me about Geography because I'm very good in this subject! :wavey:

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:19 PM
A good advice blablabla, never fight with me about Geography because I'm very good in this subject! :wavey:
You've corrected yourself. Yes Serbia is geographically in south east europe.

I simply have misgivings with the term eastern europe because it's use has been distorted by the pay-per-news and other "western" state-controlled media to be more than just a geographic reference and added political, historical and religious connotations to the term. That I object to.

Looking forward to the west european polls :)

pla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:33 PM
You've corrected yourself. Yes Serbia is geographically in south east europe.

I simply have misgivings with the term eastern europe because it's use has been distorted by the pay-per-news and other "western" state-controlled media to be more than just a geographic reference and added political, historical and religious connotations to the term. That I object to.

Looking forward to the west european polls :)

I understand you, as maybe every Eastern European will understand you- I doubt there is even one person without a negative experience conserning that term. But a term is what WE make of it. If we feel offended by one word it becomes offencive. I refuse to consider "Eastern European" as something bad, wrong or shameful (same for the Balkans) for me avoiding to talk about myself or my country as Eastern European and Balkanian is to "enter their game". It's up to those who you are talking about to change and open their minds. :)

daniela86
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
from that list, ana ivanovic :hug: :hug: then barbora stryciva :rocker:

blablabla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:55 PM
I understand you, as maybe every Eastern European will understand you- I doubt there is even one person without a negative experience conserning that term. But a term is what WE make of it. If we feel offended by one word it becomes offencive. I refuse to consider "Eastern European" as something bad, wrong or shameful (same for the Balkans) for me avoiding to talk about myself or my country as Eastern European and Balkanian is to "enter their game". It's up to those who you are talking about to change and open their minds. :)
Agreed. If used as a purely geographic distinction, it's ok with me.

However if you fail to sense that the global (pay-per-news assholes like cnn and state-controlled BBC, for example) media use the term "east european" in a negative context then you should start examining their negativity (jealousy ?) a little more.

pla
Jan 3rd, 2005, 08:09 PM
Agreed. If used as a purely geographic distinction, it's ok with me.

However if you fail to sense that the global (pay-per-news assholes like cnn and state-controlled BBC, for example) media use the term "east european" in a negative context then you should start examining their negativity (jealousy ?) a little more.

A last think as I realise I am really :topic: .. Look at my signature it's related exactly to the subject we are discussing here. ;)

Hayato
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:18 PM
nice thread drimal :kiss:

well, Perebiynis is my favourite but since she didn't get through to Part 2, i like Katarina Srebotnik the most! :banana: