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steve2005
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:20 PM
In the Chiang Mai exhibition Maria comes out on top.

gary
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:22 PM
well done Masha :yeah:

Wojtek
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:25 PM
Congrats Masha

Vincent
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:26 PM
Congrats Maria.

But we must be happy that at least Venus wasn't begelled in the second set! :eek: But Venus, what's wrong with your serve?? :( Fix it now!

Teemu
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:26 PM
Nice. Maria's game seems to be in shape.

Vut
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:29 PM
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Vut
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:31 PM
Double Match

Maria Sharapova/Tamarine Tanasugarn def. Venus Williams/Suchanan Viratprasert 5-4 (Tie-break 7-3)

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Vincent
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:35 PM
Venus lost the doubles match too? :sad:

VeraNuVirgosFan
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:36 PM
Venus lost the doubles match too? :sad:
Hope she will play better in Hong Kong next week!

jimbo mack
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:38 PM
venus :sad:

Vut
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:42 PM
EXHIBITION MATCH: Love, set, elephant



Published on January 02, 2005

Venus gets on a jumbo, falls for Thailand

World No 9 Venus Williams is so impressed with Thailand that she plans to come back in February for a holiday, perhaps with sister Serena.

After a tough training session on Friday, Williams and mother Oracene Price relaxed by going sightseeing around Chiang Mai yesterday and had the time of their life painting umbrellas and riding an elephant.

“It’s a big experience, one that I would never have dreamed of. I could never imagine that I would be riding an elephant in Thailand. There were so many great things to do that I didn’t have time for any training,’’ Williams said. :hearts: :hearts:

She is so overwhelmed by her first trip to Thailand that she feels she’s already a winner, even though she has to face Maria Sharapova in today’s exhibition match.

“I feel like I have already won. I have never had this kind of experience before because we don’t have things like this back home in California. My mother and I have said ever since we arrived at the airport that we like it here,’’ the winner of 31 WTA singles trophies said.

Williams, the 2001 Wimbledon and US Open champion, even made a phone call to her sisters including Serena, saying “You wouldn’t believe where I am now.”

She even set a plan to return after the Australian Open and might bring along Serena for a holiday, which will include a spa in Hua Hin.

She even showed interest in participating in October’s inaugural WTA Thailand Open if she receives an invitation.

The American star started her morning programme by visiting the umbrella village in Borsang sub-district where she had her shirt painted with a flying dragon. Her mother had her jeans painted in flowers and butterflies, which drew a large crowd of media and visitors.

Venus, a fashion design student with an interest in interior design, also painted a butterfly on a paper umbrella which will be displayed inside the umbrella painting centre.

Then she went elephant riding at the elephant training centre in Mae Rim district and fed bananas and sugar cane to some elephants. Sharapova enjoyed the same experience later in the afternoon.

Today, Williams will have these experiences behind her when she faces Sharapova in their initial match of the season. In their only meet on the WTA circuit, The Russian beat her 6-3 6-4 in Zurich last year.

“It is impossible to predict who will win. I have to play a wonderful player and it’s going to be a great experience,’’ the 24-year-old said.

After having a moderate 2004 season and failing to reach the quarter-finals of all Grand Slams except at Roland Garros due to injuries, Williams is looking forward to having a good year in 2005.

“I feel very good and am hitting the balls very well. Last year was a challenge for me. I learnt a lot about myself,’’ she said.

With the tremendous success of the Russian wave of players, the big question is whether the Williams sisters can dominate women’s tennis again?

“There are many good players who have worked really hard and deserve it. I myself have had good results, experience, knowledge and a great role in tennis. I couldn’t ask for a whole lot more, but I will. I think 2005 will be a great year for me.”

Williams and Sharapova will hold a clinic for Thai kids this morning. Their match starts at 3pm and will be beamed live on Channel 7 and Star Sports.

Lerpong Amsa-ngiam

The Nation Chiang Mai

lolo7
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:45 PM
I love Venus and I know this was just an exhibition match but I think Venus is in trouble. How does she expect to beat top players playing like that? I don't think Venus flew all the way to Thailand to get a beat down . Hitting with practice partners and working out isn't doing nothing for her game, she needs help.

daniela86
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:48 PM
congrats masha, you rock!!! :) :) :) :yeah: :yeah: it's a good sign for the oz open!!! :D
congrats masha/tammy too:woohoo: such a amzing double team!! they should play together all the 2005 season.

10nisfanofruz
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:11 PM
Maria played good but still need to work on her serve.
It is the good sign for Australian Open though.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Muffin the Mule
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:13 PM
Many congrats Maria :bounce:

ginger_fish668
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:14 PM
Well done Masha :D

I do hope Venus will start playing like she used to soon.... :)

Really looking foward to seeing them in Hong Kong this week! 3 days to go! :rocker2:

Doraemon
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:16 PM
Venus should be playing tour events rather those exhibitions. Venus needs to get match tough and as long as she plays in a practice match like this, it won't get her anywhere. This win will boost Maria's confidence into the AO and is likely to do nothing to Venus. But well done maria and Venus, hope you will be ready for the AO by the time it kicks in.

silverwhite
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:19 PM
I love Venus and I know this was just an exhibition match but I think Venus is in trouble. How does she expect to beat top players playing like that? I don't think Venus flew all the way to Thailand to get a beat down . Hitting with practice partners and working out isn't doing nothing for her game, she needs help.

Maria lost to Venus last year in the HK exhibition, and look where she is now! What I'm trying to say is that one match (especially one so early in the season) hardly says much.

TartarVicario
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:26 PM
IMO Maria looks confident and so strong today.I think she could do well in Melbourne :).

Strange Famous
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:32 PM
Venus Williams is on the way down. She is still a top 20 player, but she isnt one of the elite anymore.

Experimentee
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:35 PM
I wouldnt read too much into an exo. But good experience for Suchanan to play doubles with Venus! Hope she enjoyed it.

Erdinger
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:42 PM
Congrats Maria! :banana:

But has anyone pics of Venus and Maria riding elefant? It would be hilarious!! :lol: :drool: :cool:

Dolphin
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:08 PM
Grats Maria & Tammy! :bounce: :bounce:

Great to see everyone having Fun. :D

SerenaSlam
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM
so many doubles from venus it was ridiculous. she in time will find her game. she says she is striking the ball well, but that doens't matter if you cannot get ur serve in to have rallies. in due time, her change will come.

matija-seles
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:40 PM
go venus! you worked really hard and your work will surely pay off soon. we still believe in you!!!

Venus_Serena
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:44 PM
GO VENUS !!!

:sad:

GermanBoy
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:52 PM
Can`t believe Venus isn`t able to beat Sharapova... :eek: :rolleyes:

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:54 PM
Congrats Maria.

But we must be happy that at least Venus wasn't begelled in the second set! :eek: But Venus, what's wrong with your serve?? :( Fix it now!

Venus' serve has been shaky since she won her last Grand Slam event at the US Open '01. Its just a symptom of her overall problem...lack of confidence.

Venus_Serena
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:05 PM
Can`t believe Venus isn`t able to beat Sharapova... :eek: :rolleyes:
she can't even take a set!!!!

GO VENUS!!!!
:D

SzavayFi
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:07 PM
Venus :sad: All of your hardwork will pay off soon :)

GermanBoy
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:11 PM
she can't even take a set!!!!

GO VENUS!!!!
:D
Normally I would expect that result the other way round. I am sure she will kick Sharapova`s ass soon. Don`t think that arrogant Russian cow will win Wimbledon again this year... :rolleyes:

akosijepoy
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:18 PM
i still believe in Venus...:)

tennischick
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:22 PM
Sharapova dominates Venus in Thai exhibition

CHIANG MAI, Thailand (AP) - Wimbledon champion Maria Sharapova stamped her authority over Venus Williams on Sunday, two weeks before the start of the Australian Open, using her strong baseline strokes to overpower the former world No. 1 in straight sets in a Thai exhibition match.


Sharapova downed Williams 6-4, 6-3 in the TAT Tennis Invitational Exhibition at the 700th Anniversary Stadium in the northern city of Chiang Mai.



The match began with a 30-second tribute to victims of the tsunami that killed more than 123,000 people from Asia to Africa, including nearly 5,000 confirmed dead in Thailand. It ended with the players auctioning off their rackets for $2,560 each to raise funds to help victims.

With her flat powerful deep ground strokes, the Russian world No. 4 did not allow Williams to build any momentum in the match, which lasted just 78 minutes in front of 4,000 fans.

Williams' vaunted power game was eclipsed throughout the match, and she added to her problems with a string of unforced errors, mostly from her forehand.

After several deuces, the ninth-ranked Williams was broken in the first game and dropped to 0-2 before breaking back to draw level at 2-2.

But 18-year-old Sharapova broke back immediately and produced a string of winners to lead 4-2 before Williams leveled again at 4-4.

But Sharapova broke again to lead 5-4 and fought off several break points to finally win the first set by blasting two impressive forehands down the line.

The Russian star then reeled off five straight games to build a solid lead at 5-0 before her game fell apart and Williams won three straight games.

However, Williams continued to be plagued by errors and finally served a double fault to lose the match. Williams and Sharapova next head to Hong Kong for another exhibition match.

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:23 PM
Normally I would expect that result the other way round. I am sure she will kick Sharapova`s ass soon. Don`t think that arrogant Russian cow will win Wimbledon again this year... :rolleyes:

Why would you expect the outcome to be any different??? Venus hasn't won a grand Slam singles event going into her fourth year (last US Open '01) and has never won a YEC, or been #1 > 12 weeks.

Considering all the boasting about how Venus would dominate women's tennis, yet never coming to fruition, the result of the match against Sharapova is consistent with her dwindling tennis career.

Results speaks louder than words.

Vut
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:24 PM
i still believe in Venus...:)
me too. :)

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:25 PM
Can`t believe Venus isn`t able to beat Sharapova... :eek: :rolleyes:

Venus hasn't been able to even win a grand slam singles event going into the fourth year. Why are you so surprised at the fact Venus lost to the current Wimbledon champion????

harloo
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:53 PM
You would think Maria won a slam today the way the article is written. Venus will certainly need to improve her game to win the AO, I would hope she enters another warm up before the AO.

gmak
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:56 PM
well done maria :yeah: :D totally expected though

Andrew.
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:56 PM
Venus looked great in those pics.

DEETHELICK
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:02 PM
I hope Venus can improve her forehand. Her serve is something that when it gets a rythmn, it doesn't really worry me. Even her 2nd serve can be okay. Its the FH wing. And many of the top womens players are excellent baseliners with very very very solid groundstrokes.

Thats where Venus needs to improve. I believe she can. Keep your eye on the ball. Always.

Good luck next week, may it be an Elena D vs Venus final (always exciting matches).

Congrats Maria btw.

Janet
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:03 PM
Some fan you guys are to Venus..............just becuse she lose in an ex. match you guys are counting her out already for the 2005 season, if you guys are a true Venus fan will you will cut the girl some slack............ok can all say she will try for the next ex.match and beide it is only an ex.match don't read much into these matches I call them a pratice match for charity, maria will get her share of lost from venus............

Sinnet
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:17 PM
Some fan you guys are to Venus..............just becuse she lose in an ex. match you guys are counting her out already for the 2005 season, if you guys are a true Venus fan will you will cut the girl some slack............ok can all say she will try for the next ex.match and beide it is only an ex.match don't read much into these matches I call them a pratice match for charity, maria will get her share of lost from venus............

There's a difference between stating facts (which, in this scenario, is the fact that Sharapova simply outplayed V.Williams in this match) and "being a fan." Noone is "counting her out" of 2005, however some (even the hardcore Venus fans, one of which is not really myself) can see that her game hasn't been too impressive since she became injured in 2003.

I've said it before, I'll say it again -- I think BOTH Williams sisters need new coaching. They need to hear new voices and new ideas and instructions. I compare Venus with Roddick in that Roddick was struggling to get up and win some important matches on the way to top and switched coaches. The coaching change gave him the number one ranking, a US Open title, and took him to the QF of the Aussie Open in 04, the finals in Wimbledon, and the QF at the US Open in 04. He's changed coaches AGAIN now that he sees he's struggling.

Venus Williams (Serena as well, but this topic is about Venus) needs a new direction. I think a new coach would work wonders. Whether or not that would ever happen, who's to know. If she's truly wanting to have a wonderful 2005 season and get back to the top of tennis, she WILL need a new coach. There's no doubt about it.

Ravsieg
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:18 PM
As if the result was important?

GermanBoy
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
Why would you expect the outcome to be any different??? Venus hasn't won a grand Slam singles event going into her fourth year (last US Open '01) and has never won a YEC, or been #1 > 12 weeks.

Considering all the boasting about how Venus would dominate women's tennis, yet never coming to fruition, the result of the match against Sharapova is consistent with her dwindling tennis career.

Results speaks louder than words. Is it necessary to win a Grand Slam tournament or the YEC to win a match? :confused: Sharapova is new. Wait until the other players know her weaknesses better. Venus, Serena, Monica, Steffi, Jennifer, Lindsay, Hingis, they all dominated the WTA Tour for a shorter or longer period. Some day their opponents didn`t have that much respect anymore, knew their weaknesses and were able to beat them. The same will happen with Sharapova... :devil:

BTW, I am not devoted fan of Venus.

TennisTutor
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:20 PM
What a great way to start off the new near. Go Maria!!! :bounce: :bounce:

Mrs. Peel
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:30 PM
As if the result was important?
Exactly :rolleyes: :lol:

cadiac
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:37 PM
After the Single match, Sharapova and Williams donated their racquets to an auction to raise funds to help the tsunami victims. KK Property managing director Prasert Kulsarin bought Williams’ racquet for Bt100,000 and Channel 7 chief executive Surang Prempree got Sharapova’s for the same price.

What a nice of both player,I like them more and more :smooch: :inlove:

Bt100,000 = $2,500

azinna
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:48 PM
Congrats to Maria! She's got to stay focused and hungry and just build on her wins. I really want to see 4 players step up, get fit, get confident, and duel at the Semis. It'd be great if Maria continues to be one of them.

As for Venus: I didn't watch the match and most news summaries are inaccurate, so I have nothing yet to say about her game and what she needs to improve. One thing worries, though: that Maria got up 5-0 in that 2nd set. All I can say is that it has always taken her awhile to get her groove going, even in 2000, 2001. So I wouldn't expect anything more in 2005 (by the way: an Aussie Open win would be a ridiculous surprise).

Janet
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:55 PM
Ok, Sinnet...................you said your Peace about Venus and a little about Serena, I can tell you from now Both Williams WON'T get a new coach at all only way unless both parents get very ill to travel with them and hope that will never happen until the both deside to walk away from the sport.............V&S are very much devoted to their to parents and their other staff they travel with, and that is why I admire these girls why should they throw away the 2 coaches that brought them on top their PARENTS if I was in their shoe I would not do that..............for them the game of tennis is in their hands no body else no new coach nobody else...............Venus will just keep on trying until everything clicks again...........just of to watch and see even if you are not a die hard fan.........

Hots4Safin
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:09 PM
I'm not gonna worry TOO much about this match. Even though this is Vee's second straight loss to Sharapova. I'm hoping Venus was just got getting her feet wet for the year, and watson's and AO is where we will see something special.

volta
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:13 PM
i just hope that Vee game is up in AO

btw cogratz Sharapova

*roddicksinme*
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:31 PM
way to go maria!!!

Venus Forever
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:39 PM
The only thing that concerns me is that she only seemed to double-fault when she had a break point against her, otherwise she would have been broken a lot less, and maybe even won the match.

SchittSchett
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:47 PM
Seems like Venus's days are numbered on the tour. And the result does matter, if Venus had won then all her fans would be gloating, we aren't!

backhanddtl4
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:11 PM
omg, Venus must have played like shit.

Angel_Mars
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:14 PM
Venus hasn't been able to even win a grand slam singles event going into the fourth year. Why are you so surprised at the fact Venus lost to the current Wimbledon champion????


I don't know why he was surprised either, Masha isn't exactly chopped liver on the tennis court :rolleyes:

Go Maria! :worship:

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:21 PM
I don't know why he was surprised either, Masha isn't exactly chopped liver on the tennis court :rolleyes:

Go Maria! :worship:

I think there is a continued irrational exuberance when it comes to Venus Williams' tennis career. She is a great player in her own right, but historically insignificant when compared to the All-Time greats of the game.

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:23 PM
Is it necessary to win a Grand Slam tournament or the YEC to win a match? :confused: Sharapova is new. Wait until the other players know her weaknesses better. Venus, Serena, Monica, Steffi, Jennifer, Lindsay, Hingis, they all dominated the WTA Tour for a shorter or longer period. Some day their opponents didn`t have that much respect anymore, knew their weaknesses and were able to beat them. The same will happen with Sharapova... :devil:

BTW, I am not devoted fan of Venus.

Sharapova is ranked higher than Venus and is a defending Grand Slam title holder. Again, what's so surprising that Sharapova stomped Venus Williams??? Sharapova has had her way with 'lil sis, Serena, in big matches in '04. No surprise.

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:25 PM
omg, Venus must have played like shit.

Actually not. The same weaknesses in Venus' game are still glaring like sunlight in a mirror. Low confidence, erratic service game and forehand.

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:29 PM
Ok, Sinnet...................you said your Peace about Venus and a little about Serena, I can tell you from now Both Williams WON'T get a new coach at all only way unless both parents get very ill to travel with them and hope that will never happen until the both deside to walk away from the sport.............V&S are very much devoted to their to parents and their other staff they travel with, and that is why I admire these girls why should they throw away the 2 coaches that brought them on top their PARENTS if I was in their shoe I would not do that..............for them the game of tennis is in their hands no body else no new coach nobody else...............Venus will just keep on trying until everything clicks again...........just of to watch and see even if you are not a die hard fan.........

Both Venus and Serena could benefit from an outside coaching influence. Especially Venus. Both women are not playing their best tennis and haven't in quite a long while.

Their devotion to their parents is a great thing, but the sport of tennis is progressing/evolving and both sisters seemed stuck in 2002. The women are improving and the sisters aren't.

SchittSchett
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
Sharapova is ranked higher than Venus and is a defending Grand Slam title holder. Again, what's so surprising that Sharapova stomped Venus Williams??? Sharapova has had her way with 'lil sis, Serena, in big matches in '04. No surprise.

What happened to the fourth? ;)

Dawn Marie
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
One expo is not going to tell you how these two will play for the rest of the season.

Personally I think Venus will have a great 2005.:)


Vee needs to work on her serve and keep those double faults down. When her serve is working her games comes together. From the article it doesn't look like Venus got blown away. She came back to tie the games up then lost her own serve.

Venus only needs to get her confidence back, and I am glad she is not giving up and continue to grind it out on the tour.

Vee will win a slam again.:)

Fearless Venus Rulez!

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:36 PM
The only thing that concerns me is that she only seemed to double-fault when she had a break point against her, otherwise she would have been broken a lot less, and maybe even won the match.

Now that's a stretch.....

TennisTutor
Jan 2nd, 2005, 07:46 PM
Seems like Venus's days are numbered on the tour. And the result does matter, if Venus had won then all her fans would be gloating, we aren't!

You are 100% correct!
This is not a good sign for Venus.

jacobruiz
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:04 PM
It's nice that Maria, Venus, Tammy, and (sorry, I forget her name:o ) were able to raise some money for aid to the victims of the tsunami.:D

I'm looking forward to some great tennis in 2005. Sure hope Venus gets help from outside coaching soon; it would certainly not be disrespectfull to her parents. They've done an amazing job with both sisters.

Venus Forever
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:05 PM
Now that's a stretch.....
How is it a stretch??

FOUR of the seven games Venus was broken ended due to Venus double-faulting on the final point.

If Venus didn't double-fault, and got the ball and play, it could have easily been Venus who won by the break in each set.

If she was mentally stronger on those points, or get mentally stronger on those points, watch out.

Brandon85
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:14 PM
good job maria!!! you rock!

Meesh
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:17 PM
This result means nothing. If you have ever been to an exhibition match you would understand. I attended the exo where Anna K. defeated Jennifer. This was in December. Jenn went on to win the Aus. Open the following month then the French Open. The tennis wasn't spectacular, they didn't run down balls, Anna never had a double fault, Jenn didn't swear. It was pure entertainment!

:topic: The local paper in orlando, The Orlando Sentinel had the Quote of the day (sports section) from SERENA who was defeated by Maria in this exo. :rolleyes: And they had the part about her riding the elephants and had a picture of Serena.

backhanddtl4
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:25 PM
I'm a Venus fan, and I wouldn't be gloating. It's just an exhibition event, and I know Venus would mess up soon, like in Hong Kong maybe, or Aus Open.

I'm a pessimistic Venus fan.

TennisTutor
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:38 PM
I have been to over 50 exhibition matches though out the world.
Win or lose they "do" mean something to the players. This was a significant loss for Venus and will hurt her already frail level of confidence.

This is not a good way to the year for Venus.
For Maria is was glorious.

waratahsrock
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:39 PM
Congratulations Maria, even though its just an exhibition match, it's still a great way to kick off the new year. Best of luck to Maria at the Aus Open!

Venus Forever
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:43 PM
I have been to over 50 exhibition matches though out the world.
Win or lose they "do" mean something to the players. This was a significant loss for Venus and will hurt her already frail level of confidence.

This is not a good way to the year for Venus.
For Maria is was glorious.
Yes, that's why Venus said she already thought she had already won before the match just because of all the fun she was having in Thailand.

Sure sounds like someone who was losing confidence and is hurt by the loss.

:rolleyes:

K-Dog
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:55 PM
Wow, Venus lost. BIG DEAL!! Lindsay lost to Maria too. Are her days numbered too? No!! This is the first match in awhile for Venus. It was an exhibtion!! Maria takes these exhibtions more seriously. I think this might help Venus to understand where her game is, and what she needs to improve on to win. Maria isn't invincible!!

icequeen
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:05 PM
Wow, Venus lost. BIG DEAL!! Lindsay lost to Maria too. Are her days numbered too? No!! This is the first match in awhile for Venus. It was an exhibtion!! Maria takes these exhibtions more seriously. I think this might help Venus to understand where her game is, and what she needs to improve on to win. Maria isn't invisible!!

The word is not "invisible" it is "invincible".

jacobruiz
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:06 PM
Wow, Venus lost. BIG DEAL!! Lindsay lost to Maria too. Are her days numbered too? No!! This is the first match in awhile for Venus. It was an exhibtion!! Maria takes these exhibtions more seriously. I think this might help Venus to understand where her game is, and what she needs to improve on to win. Maria isn't invisible!!She sure isn't!:hearts: :lol:

franny
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:13 PM
Congrats Maria! Hopefully you've been working hard on your game, fitness, and serve and lets hope you can bring all that together at Australia.

Venus, it's okay, it's just a practice match. Hopefully you can work on ur game girl, I want to see you return to where you belong!!! Go Veenus!!

Good luck to both girls in 05!!

K-Dog
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:19 PM
The word is not "invisible" it is "invincible".

I'm sorry, i changed it. You know what I meant.

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:51 PM
How is it a stretch??

The comment that Venus might have won her match against Sharapova is "a stretch" because Venus has been persistently plagued with service errors and double faults historically. Venus only validated her service woes by repeating them in this exhibition. Venus' chances of defeating Sharapova were slim to none serving the way she did.

Venus showed NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, which would make me think that her service game has received much needed work. Blame it on her mother, coach, Oracene Williams.

Bероника
Jan 2nd, 2005, 10:11 PM
Oh well Venus,these things happen...
I just hope she's ready for AO,that's what really counts...
Anyway,congrats for all the girls for taking part in the exho and the donations.Congrats to the champion too!

davidmario
Jan 2nd, 2005, 10:22 PM
Julia1968 is new here and she already sucks ;)

TennisTutor
Jan 2nd, 2005, 10:32 PM
[QUOTE=Julia1968][B]The comment that Venus might have won her match against Sharapova is "a stretch" because Venus has been persistently plagued with service errors and double faults historically. Venus only validated her service woes by repeating them in this exhibition. Venus' chances of defeating Sharapova were slim to none serving the way she did.

Venus showed NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, which would make me think that her service game has received much needed work. Blame it on her mother, coach, Oracene Williams.

Outstanding post. Worded with truth and class. :worship:

Doc
Jan 2nd, 2005, 11:45 PM
Congratulations Masha! A nice win.

Thay even gave Masha a Trophy...

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050102/i/r2997246279.jpg

icequeen
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:02 AM
I'm sorry, i changed it. You know what I meant.

Yea I knew what you meant. A couple of weeks ago someone made the same mistake and the board gave the poster a fit and did not bother to correct the individual. I would hope someone would correct me if I made an error instead of giving me the business.

K-Dog
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:08 AM
Yea I knew what you meant. A couple of weeks ago someone made the same mistake and the board gave the poster a fit and did not bother to correct the individual. I would hope someone would correct me if I made an error instead of giving me the business.

Don't worry, I was typing kind of quickly. Thanks for catching my error before someone chewed me out!!!!!!!

Alan
Jan 3rd, 2005, 02:47 AM
EXHIBITION MATCH: Love, set, elephant



Published on January 02, 2005

Venus gets on a jumbo, falls for Thailand

World No 9 Venus Williams is so impressed with Thailand that she plans to come back in February for a holiday, perhaps with sister Serena.

After a tough training session on Friday, Williams and mother Oracene Price relaxed by going sightseeing around Chiang Mai yesterday and had the time of their life painting umbrellas and riding an elephant.

“It’s a big experience, one that I would never have dreamed of. I could never imagine that I would be riding an elephant in Thailand. There were so many great things to do that I didn’t have time for any training,’’ Williams said. :hearts: :hearts:

She is so overwhelmed by her first trip to Thailand that she feels she’s already a winner, even though she has to face Maria Sharapova in today’s exhibition match.

“I feel like I have already won. I have never had this kind of experience before because we don’t have things like this back home in California. My mother and I have said ever since we arrived at the airport that we like it here,’’ the winner of 31 WTA singles trophies said.

Williams, the 2001 Wimbledon and US Open champion, even made a phone call to her sisters including Serena, saying “You wouldn’t believe where I am now.”

She even set a plan to return after the Australian Open and might bring along Serena for a holiday, which will include a spa in Hua Hin.

She even showed interest in participating in October’s inaugural WTA Thailand Open if she receives an invitation.

The American star started her morning programme by visiting the umbrella village in Borsang sub-district where she had her shirt painted with a flying dragon. Her mother had her jeans painted in flowers and butterflies, which drew a large crowd of media and visitors.

Venus, a fashion design student with an interest in interior design, also painted a butterfly on a paper umbrella which will be displayed inside the umbrella painting centre.

Then she went elephant riding at the elephant training centre in Mae Rim district and fed bananas and sugar cane to some elephants. Sharapova enjoyed the same experience later in the afternoon.


The Nation Chiang Mai
i love thailand too! i spent my vacation there last year! everything was affordable, i stayed there for more than a month! the people are great and the food was excellent! :drool:

im planning to go back there this year! :hearts:

spec7er
Jan 3rd, 2005, 04:13 AM
Venus got blown away. Maria controlled the match and the match could've ended 6-4 6-0, if Maria didn't commit UEs on her setpoints. Venus just isn't showing or playing anything spectacular. She's still hobbled by the same problems: the serve, forehand.

But this is an exhibition. So, we shouldn't really look at it too seriously. We can only judge the players' performance once they play tour events, wherein the pressure becomes greater.

G1Player2
Jan 3rd, 2005, 04:56 AM
Venus hasn't been able to even win a grand slam singles event going into the fourth year. Why are you so surprised at the fact Venus lost to the current Wimbledon champion????
Maybe you should ask this to Lindsay Davenport, going into her 5th year without a slam, Capriati going into her 3rd year without a slam, Hingis going into her 6th year, and Seles going into her 9th...Maybe you should ask that as well...

BTW Venus Williams has won a slam AS recently as all these players except Capriati who ironically won the next one...

Angel_Mars
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:01 AM
Maybe you should ask this to Lindsay Davenport, going into her 5th year without a slam, Capriati going into her 3rd year without a slam, Hingis going into her 6th year, and Seles going into her 9th...Maybe you should ask that as well...

BTW Venus Williams has won a slam AS recently as all these players except Capriati who ironically won the next one...

Lindsay is not a good comparison here. She won seven titles this last season, and finished number 1.Slam or not, that's a really great record, and she had a great chance at winning a slam at the US Open, she was beating Sveta until she got injured. If Venus had seven titles under her belt like Lindsay or maybe even 4-5, it would be more fair to compare them......... Lindsay is still showing alot more "game"..........

G1Player2
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:10 AM
Lindsay is not a good comparison here. She won seven titles this last season, and finished number 1.Slam or not, that's a really great record, and she had a great chance at winning a slam at the US Open, she was beating Sveta until she got injured. If Venus had seven titles under her belt like Lindsay or maybe even 4-5, it would be more fair to compare them......... Lindsay is still showing alot more "game"..........
Perfectly good comparison...I can just as easily say that before Venus was injured, she won 10 titles between 2002 and 2003...Also, she reached 5 GS finals and LIKELY would have won WImbledon in 2003 if it wasn't for the stomache strain while she was beating Serena...

It isn't fair to discount Venus's 2002 and 2003 while INCLUDING Lindsay's and Venus's 2004...

FrauleinSteffi
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:28 AM
Go Maria!:)

Angel_Mars
Jan 3rd, 2005, 08:29 AM
Perfectly good comparison...I can just as easily say that before Venus was injured, she won 10 titles between 2002 and 2003...Also, she reached 5 GS finals and LIKELY would have won WImbledon in 2003 if it wasn't for the stomache strain while she was beating Serena...

It isn't fair to discount Venus's 2002 and 2003 while INCLUDING Lindsay's and Venus's 2004...

...... Venus hasn't been injured for quite awhile............she did not have the same type of year last season that Lindsay did, Lindsay won seven and and got deeper in draws, that's what I'm talking about, where these two women stand as of today or the most recent activity, not 2002 2003. Lindsay has had even more stellar years herself. Not only did Linds get the year end number one ranking, she was in contention in three of the Slams this year, AO=quarters, Wimbledon= semis, USO=semis

Venus on the other hand went out in the round of 32 at the AO, out in the Quarters in the FO, out in the R64 at Wimbledon, out in the R16 at the USO. Not much way you could compare these women's last season which represents pretty much where they're at, and act like they were the same. Lindsay wins seven tourneys, number 1 ranking, two semi final appearances at slams, qualifies for the year end tournament..

Venus does not make it past the quarters in any slam and only makes it to the quarters in one slam, does not end the year in the top five, does not make it to the YEC, wins 5 less tournaments........

G1Player2
Jan 3rd, 2005, 08:38 AM
...... Venus hasn't been injured for quite awhile............she did not have the same type of year last season that Lindsay did, Lindsay won seven and and got deeper in draws, that's what I'm talking about, where these two women stand as of today or the most recent activity, not 2002 2003. Lindsay has had even more stellar years herself. Not only did Linds get the year end number one ranking, she was in contention in three of the Slams this year, AO=quarters, Wimbledon= semis, USO=semis

Venus on the other hand went out in the round of 32 at the AO, out in the Quarters in the FO, out in the R64 at Wimbledon, out in the R16 at the USO. Not much way you could compare these women's last season which represents pretty much where they're at, and act like they were the same. Lindsay wins seven tourneys, number 1 ranking, two semi final appearances at slams, qualifies for the year end tournament..

Venus does not make it past the quarters in any slam and only makes it to the quarters in one slam, does not end the year in the top five, does not make it to the YEC, wins 5 less tournaments........Lindsay NO DOUBT had a much better year than Venus Williams...

My whole point was that Lindsay HAS not won a slam in 5 years and Venus has won a slam as recently as this...She can get to as many slam semis as she once, or win as many Tier II titles as she wants, but nobody will remember her winning in L.A or Stanford...

I also disagree with saying that Lindsay has had more stellar years than Venus....Sorry, I just totally disagree with you...

However, you are PERFECTLY correct that Lindsay had a much better year than Venus, but this isn't saying much for either of them for a player who hasn't even reached a slam final in 5 years while also ending 2 years during this time without reaching a slam finals as #1...

Angel_Mars
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:09 AM
Lindsay NO DOUBT had a much better year than Venus Williams...

My whole point was that Lindsay HAS not won a slam in 5 years and Venus has won a slam as recently as this...She can get to as many slam semis as she once, or win as many Tier II titles as she wants, but nobody will remember her winning in L.A or Stanford...

I also disagree with saying that Lindsay has had more stellar years than Venus....Sorry, I just totally disagree with you...

However, you are PERFECTLY correct that Lindsay had a much better year than Venus, but this isn't saying much for either of them for a player who hasn't even reached a slam final in 5 years while also ending 2 years during this time without reaching a slam finals as #1...

Lindsay has had some pretty great years! I wasn't comparing Lindsay's greatest years with Venus's greatest years on that comment though, we can do that another time if you want to. What I'm trying to get at here is, the thing with Venus, is she was a top number one player that started to spiral downward, then after her injury she really hit a low point. She came back after the injury, and instead of getting things going in an upward direction, she showed a couple of signs of promise, but then just kind of sunk. Lindsay on the other hand, had some mediocre years as she struggled with injury and lack of confidence herself. Lindsay on the other hand was on an upward trend this last season, had one of her better years in a long, long time. The only think she DIDN"T do was win a slam, she sure did everything else. This is why I don't think you can compare the two when you start debating about former champions on a skid or slump, and whether or not they are done for as far as reaching number 1, or even being top 3 or 5 again.Lindsay is not on a skid, she's been on the rise again.

Sportfan
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:05 PM
It doesn't sound to me like it was that great a match by either player. Venus made her share of mistakes as did Maria. The difference was Maria was slightly more consistent. In any case people are making way too big a deal over an exhibition match. I mean really what more is it for than to earn some money and get some match play during the off season. I really dopn't see why people feel the need to disparage either Venus or her sister considering that Serena was the only US lady to get to a Grand Slam final and even got to the YEC final not to mention had two tournament wins and Venus won titles in 2004 and was looking good heading into the French, not to mention she had stellar play for the US in Fed Cup all of that with their awful coaches. Anyway congrats to Maria.

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:17 PM
Julia1968 is new here and she already sucks ;)

Unlike some, at least I don't swallow :cool:

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:21 PM
Maybe you should ask this to Lindsay Davenport, going into her 5th year without a slam, Capriati going into her 3rd year without a slam, Hingis going into her 6th year, and Seles going into her 9th...Maybe you should ask that as well...

BTW Venus Williams has won a slam AS recently as all these players except Capriati who ironically won the next one...


Did Davenport, Capriati or Seles play in this exhibition???? I'm talking about Venus Williams vs Maria Sharapova.

Pureracket
Jan 3rd, 2005, 01:30 PM
Julia,
I just realized the fact that I'm a Venus Williams fan, and your clever discourse has now convinced me that she is worthless and will probably never win anything of significance. I don't know why I have listened to you after having to endure the j'bones, the cheesestix, the Dr. Martian Bagels, and the Saint Seiya's of this board. Yeah, you're the one who has finally convinced me to not like Venus.
Congrats.

lizchris
Jan 3rd, 2005, 02:05 PM
I was expecting Venus to lose and I wouldn't read too much into this loss because it isn't like she lost in the first round of the AO. I also don't agree that she was thrashed by Maria since she lost both sets by a break of serve. However, it is obvious that she still needs work on her second serve and forehand and if she doesn't work on those problems, then she will have another medicore season.

G1Player2
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:56 PM
I think there is a continued irrational exuberance when it comes to Venus Williams' tennis career. She is a great player in her own right, but historically insignificant when compared to the All-Time greats of the game."irrational exuberance." This only comes from ONE place...This saying is far too unlikley for a coincidence...You are from the AOL tennis messageboards...LOL...I am guessing that you are Zostar9...If not, maybe Oe1968, or KMKuaffman1959....

People, don't read into this Julia character...She is one of the handpuppets at the AOL message boards and they POST things like this ALL day by being condescending and biased and trying to act like Venus and Serena are worthless while holding up players like Maria Sharapova as God's gift to tennis...I suspected something with this poster from the beginning and she/he is trying the same tripe they use at the AOL messageboards but you have been sbusted handpuppet!

Now, come out the closet, you've been exposed!

lizchris
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:02 PM
"irrational exuberance." This only comes from ONE place...This saying is far too unlikley for a coincidence...You are from the AOL tennis messageboards...LOL...I am guessing that you are Zostar9...If not, maybe Oe1968, or KMKuaffman1959....

People, don't read into this Julia character...She is one of the handpuppets at the AOL message boards and they POST things like this ALL day by being condescending and biased and trying to act like Venus and Serena are worthless while holding up players like Maria Sharapova as God's gift to tennis...I suspected something with this poster from the beginning and she/he is trying the same tripe they use at the AOL messageboards but you have been sbusted handpuppet!

Now, come out the closet, you've been exposed!
It is obvious that this Julia1968 person is an ass. When it comes to a player's career and you want to compare Venus' career to Maria's, 4GS singles > 1GS singles and 2 Olympic gold medals > zero Olympic gold medals. Does that mean that Maria will not win more than four GS titles or an Olympic gold medals, who knows? But there is a good chance that her career could have peaked by the time she turns 20, like other first time teen GS winners.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:28 PM
I think Venus will be alright. She just needs that hunger back, hopefully 2004 gave her the motivation to start winning again.

Angel_Mars
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:39 PM
"irrational exuberance." This only comes from ONE place...This saying is far too unlikley for a coincidence...You are from the AOL tennis messageboards...LOL...I am guessing that you are Zostar9...If not, maybe Oe1968, or KMKuaffman1959....

People, don't read into this Julia character...She is one of the handpuppets at the AOL message boards and they POST things like this ALL day by being condescending and biased and trying to act like Venus and Serena are worthless while holding up players like Maria Sharapova as God's gift to tennis...I suspected something with this poster from the beginning and she/he is trying the same tripe they use at the AOL messageboards but you have been sbusted handpuppet!

Now, come out the closet, you've been exposed!


:eek:

We have a different read on the AOl forum......... one thing I like better about this forum is that there are fans of many players, the AOL forum is loaded with domineering Williams fans that can't stand it when somebody likes another player......... the minute another player starts to get lots of attention, the attacks on that player and that player's fans start up with a vengeance! :rolleyes:

Pureracket
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:45 PM
Angel Mars,
Given the fact that some posters have screen names on this board with the sole intent of attacking the Williams Sisters(no other players who are represented on this board get that kind of hate), I'm led to doubt what you say about AOL. I'll take your word for it, though.

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:10 PM
It is obvious that this Julia1968 person is an ass. When it comes to a player's career and you want to compare Venus' career to Maria's, 4GS singles > 1GS singles and 2 Olympic gold medals > zero Olympic gold medals. Does that mean that Maria will not win more than four GS titles or an Olympic gold medals, who knows? But there is a good chance that her career could have peaked by the time she turns 20, like other first time teen GS winners.

Talk about an @ss.

I never compared the careers of Williams vs Sharapova. The SV'xx'ing persona attempted to.

However, since we are comparing, Venus was definitely a late bloomer compared to Maria. Maria seems to be following the career of Serena, which is much more palatable if you ask me.

lizchris
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:15 PM
Talk about an @ss.

I never compared the careers of Williams vs Sharapova. The SV'xx'ing persona attempted to.

However, since we are comparing, Venus was definitely a late bloomer compared to Maria. Maria seems to be following the career of Serena, which is much more palatable if you ask me.

She might be following the career of Serena, but that doesn't mean she will have the same sucess.

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:16 PM
Angel Mars,
Given the fact that some posters have screen names on this board with the sole intent of attacking the Williams Sisters(no other players who are represented on this board get that kind of hate), I'm led to doubt what you say about AOL. I'll take your word for it, though.

I don't think anyone in this forum participates for the sole purpose of attacking a Williams. That fallacy sounds like one of those made-up AOL tennis discussion group urban legends.

I would imagine that if anyone has any constructive criticism for a Williams, the AOL vipor fangs will appear. In terms of being a fan of tennis, the AOL people have a lot to learn...especially those who are fans of ONLY Williams.

Most of the AOL tennis discussions revolve around racial issues. They really don't know a lot about the game of tennis, but they seem to know a lot about calling others racist.

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:18 PM
:eek:

We have a different read on the AOl forum......... one thing I like better about this forum is that there are fans of many players, the AOL forum is loaded with domineering Williams fans that can't stand it when somebody likes another player......... the minute another player starts to get lots of attention, the attacks on that player and that player's fans start up with a vengeance! :rolleyes:

The Williams Fan Mafia over at AOL has certainly destroyed that discussion group. So many people have left its like a personal rooting section for only two players.

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:20 PM
She might be following the career of Serena, but that doesn't mean she will have the same sucess.

Nor does it mean she won't. :bounce:

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:29 PM
She is one of the handpuppets at the AOL message boards and they POST things like this ALL day by being condescending and biased and trying to act like Venus and Serena are worthless while holding up players like Maria Sharapova as God's gift to tennis...I suspected something with this poster from the beginning and she/he is trying the same tripe they use at the AOL messageboards but you have been sbusted handpuppet!

Now, come out the closet, you've been exposed!

"Handpuppet"???? How ignorant is that????

The only thing you left out from your "AOL'ish" diatribe is calling someone racist because they aren't worshipping everything Williams. 'Ya ran off a lot of quality people who knew a lot about tennis by doing that. Of course, you knew that. Because that was the goal.

You AOL trash do nothing but create havoc and chaos where ever you squat. You are not fans of tennis. You know little about tennis. But you do know a lot about being color-struck.

lizchris
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:29 PM
Nor does it mean she won't. :bounce:
True, but Serena was winning bigger titles outside of the Grand Slams when she was the same age as Maria (as was Venus). In additon, they beat top players on a regular basis when their games got much better. The same can't be said for Maria, which is no surprise that she has beaten very few current top ten players outside of the Slams and the YEC.

JenFan75
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:33 PM
Good Job Maria!

timray
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:39 PM
which is no surprise that she has beaten very few current top ten players outside of the Slams and the YEC.

Maybe she is only good against African American players… :p :lol:

SERENA WILLIAMS 2 : 1
VENUS WILLIAMS 1 : 0
CHANDA RUBIN 0 : 0
MASHONA WASHINGTON 3 : 1
SHENAY PERRY 1 : 1

Maria : 7
African American : 3

I don’t see any African American player troubling Maria :wavey:

Julia1968
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:47 PM
True, but Serena was winning bigger titles outside of the Grand Slams when she was the same age as Maria (as was Venus). In additon, they beat top players on a regular basis when their games got much better. The same can't be said for Maria, which is no surprise that she has beaten very few current top ten players outside of the Slams and the YEC.

Well, I guess it largely depends on which tournaments you value. At 17, if you lost every Tier'ed tournament to someone in the top Ten, yet beat them at Wimbledon and the YEC to win, wouldn't you better measure success by the larger tournaments???

If you asked Graf, Evert, Navratilova, Serena or any other Grand Slam champion, they would tell you that winning the Grand Slam tournaments is the ultimate goal in the sport of tennis (aside from money).

Angel_Mars
Jan 3rd, 2005, 11:53 PM
Angel Mars,
Given the fact that some posters have screen names on this board with the sole intent of attacking the Williams Sisters(no other players who are represented on this board get that kind of hate), I'm led to doubt what you say about AOL. I'll take your word for it, though.

Why would you doubt what I say about another forum, because of what goes on here? I'm sure there are people that have screen names on this forum just to attack other players besides Williams sisters. And that definitely goes on at the AOL forum. All these posters use different screen names to stir things up. It's typical on forums. Take my word for it, AOL Tennis is pretty sad most of the time, very limited in discussion and fan support for more than a few players.

Julia1968
Jan 4th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Julia,
I just realized the fact that I'm a Venus Williams fan, and your clever discourse has now convinced me that she is worthless and will probably never win anything of significance. I don't know why I have listened to you after having to endure the j'bones, the cheesestix, the Dr. Martian Bagels, and the Saint Seiya's of this board. Yeah, you're the one who has finally convinced me to not like Venus.
Congrats.

I am so sorry you are so easily swayed by my comments. You obviously wasn't much of a Venus fan to begin with or you wouldn't dump her so quickly.

Take a little advice from Julia:

Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.

TennisTutor
Jan 4th, 2005, 01:01 AM
I think Julia1968 has a very good perspective on things.
Maria beat Venus very easily and also has Serena's number too.
She's the one to beat in 2005.

Doraemon
Jan 4th, 2005, 01:51 AM
This is the best thing that has happened to me this year so far.

Mrs. Peel
Jan 4th, 2005, 02:37 AM
This is the best thing that has happened to me this year so far.
Don't you have a piece of poo poo to buzz over? Shoo!!!!

Pureracket
Jan 4th, 2005, 10:41 AM
I don't think anyone in this forum participates for the sole purpose of attacking a Williams.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: You're sillier than I thought if you don't believe this. I'm actually wondering if you are one of them as I have rarely(if ever) seen you participate in anything on this board but an anti-Williams campaign.

icequeen
Jan 4th, 2005, 12:37 PM
I think Julia1968 has a very good perspective on things.
Maria beat Venus very easily and also has Serena's number too.
She's the one to beat in 2005.

I guess when you beat an injured player who was whipping your azz I guess you can justify that as having someone's #.

Julia1968
Jan 4th, 2005, 01:19 PM
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: You're sillier than I thought if you don't believe this. I'm actually wondering if you are one of them as I have rarely(if ever) seen you participate in anything on this board but an anti-Williams campaign.

Well, my posting history is plain for all to see. I don't really care if YOU think I am anyone in question. Because I don't really care who you are.

However, I have noticed a pattern in your posted articles in reference to Maria. Perhaps you made the trip from the AOL internet ghetto over here for that purpose as well.

Touche' "Royal Court"

Rocketta
Jan 4th, 2005, 01:21 PM
Don't you have a piece of poo poo to buzz over? Shoo!!!!
ok, now THAT was funny! :lol:

Lemonskin.
Jan 4th, 2005, 01:21 PM
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Pureracket
Jan 4th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Well, my posting history is plain for all to see. I don't really care if YOU think I am anyone in question. Because I don't really care who you are.

However, I have noticed a pattern in your posted articles in reference to Maria. Perhaps you made the trip from the AOL internet ghetto over here for that purpose as well.

Touche' "Royal Court"Umm. . .like the wonderful Williams Sisters, I rarely make comments about other players, especially insulting ones. It's fans like you who don't really seem to like the Williams Sisters whose entire messageboard life is based on discussing them.;)

Please elaborate on my patters of posts regarding Maria Sharapova or any other player. (I'm sure I'm going to get a kick outta what you come up with);).

By the way, I don't even know how to get to that place on AOL you're talking about. Just like the wave of posters who come and go on this board from other sites, I would imagine that your days here are numbered as well.

Julia1968
Jan 4th, 2005, 02:36 PM
I would imagine that your days here are numbered as well.

We shall see :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Pureracket
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:32 PM
We shall see :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:You still didn't answer the questions about my post patterns regarding Maria Sharapova.;) Did you really see one, or were you lying?

Pureracket
Jan 4th, 2005, 06:11 PM
bump:)

jimmyc
Jan 4th, 2005, 06:15 PM
:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: Maria :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

You are better than this!!! Should not lose more than 4 games when beating Venus!

Should win much easily!!

Good luck :kiss:

Serena+LenaDrule
Jan 4th, 2005, 07:13 PM
jimmyc & Julia1968
Wow how on earth did you guys become red while not posting a lot :eek: I guess its due to posting Hogwash as you just doing right now :lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM
It's funny how Maria's fans gloat how she's beaten both Venus and Serena. But she beat them with them playing at there worst levels since Serena's 98, and Venus' 97. I don't think Maria would have such a field day with 2000-2001 Venus, or 2002-2003 Serena. And albeit...I still say Serena would've beaten Maria at the YEC without the injury, but we won't go there ;)

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:02 PM
It's funny how Maria's fans gloat how she's beaten both Venus and Serena. But she beat them with them playing at there worst levels since Serena's 98, and Venus' 97. I don't think Maria would have such a field day with 2000-2001 Venus, or 2002-2003 Serena. And albeit...I still say Serena would've beaten Maria at the YEC without the injury, but we won't go there ;)

Mrs. Peel
Jan 4th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Wow how on earth did you guys become red while not posting a lot :eek: I guess its due to posting Hogwash as you just doing right now :lol:
I think they are the same person :lol:

Daniel
Jan 5th, 2005, 10:29 AM
Well done Maria :yeah:

Jaime Bahena
Jan 5th, 2005, 04:59 PM
I love Venus and I know this was just an exhibition match but I think Venus is in trouble. How does she expect to beat top players playing like that? I don't think Venus flew all the way to Thailand to get a beat down . Hitting with practice partners and working out isn't doing nothing for her game, she needs help.

It's just an exhibition match: don't get worked up over such a meaningless match.

Paneru
Jan 5th, 2005, 05:23 PM
It's just an exhibition match: don't get worked up over such a meaningless match.

good luck in geeting that through
some people's thick skull's! :lol:

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:13 PM
You still didn't answer the questions about my post patterns regarding Maria Sharapova.;) Did you really see one, or were you lying?

Listen, AOL trash, take your irrational exuberance back to your ghetto.

Is that the answer you wanted????

:devil: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:17 PM
It's funny how Maria's fans gloat how she's beaten both Venus and Serena. But she beat them with them playing at there worst levels since Serena's 98, and Venus' 97. I don't think Maria would have such a field day with 2000-2001 Venus, or 2002-2003 Serena. And albeit...I still say Serena would've beaten Maria at the YEC without the injury, but we won't go there ;)

Would, coulda, shoulda...


It seems to me Maria's Wimbledon and YEC victory dwarfed Serena's debutante ball. But hey, Maria has dwarfed Serena the entire past year. Serena had 16 great months (2002-2003) and Venus 12 months (2000-2001). But that happened a long time ago. Its 2005...embrace the present and the future.

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Listen, AOL trash, take your irrational exuberance back to your ghetto.

Is that the answer you wanted????

:devil: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:Julia,
Again, people here will tell you that I spend waaaay too much time on this board to really be anywhere else involving tennis. Again, I don't even know how to get to the AOL Board.


That STILL doesn't answer the question to the statement that you made about the pattern of my posts regarding Sharapova. Show me where I did. Were you lying, Julia?

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:21 PM
I guess when you beat an injured player who was whipping your azz I guess you can justify that as having someone's #.

Having had the benefit of watching that match, Serena's injury didn't become apparent until Maria surpassed her in the second set. Of course, with all those sudden "headaches" and abrupt afflictions Serena suffers with when she falls behind in a match, surely history would repeat itself. But it did.

Heck, I'll give Serena the benefit of the doubt. Venus beat her for the first time in years a few weeks later at an exhibition. Serena must have really been hurt.

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:24 PM
julia,
Please answer my question about the apparent pattern of posts about Sharapova.

waratahsrock
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:27 PM
I guess when you beat an injured player who was whipping your azz I guess you can justify that as having someone's #.
Can you remember the Wimbledon final? 6-1 6-4. When serena wasn't injured. Also i watched the YEC final, and when serena was fit, Maria totally out played her in the second set and had a good swing of momentum. It wasn't until the third when serena had difficulties.

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:30 PM
julia,
Please answer my question about the apparent pattern of posts about Sharapova.

Since you seem so fixated,

When you prove your original assertion:
Originally Posted by Pureracket
You're sillier than I thought if you don't believe this. I'm actually wondering if you are one of them as I have rarely(if ever) seen you participate in anything on this board but an anti-Williams campaign.

It 'twas you who made the original assertion, and I replied in kind. Of course, some things come back to you three fold. Funny how someone like myself, who joined just two short weeks ago can engage in a "campaign" against any players. Heck, common sense tells me I haven't been around long enough to do that.

:worship: :devil: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Can you remember the Wimbledon final? 6-1 6-4. When serena wasn't injured. Also i watched the YEC final, and when serena was fit, Maria totally out played her in the second set and had a good swing of momentum. It wasn't until the third when serena had difficulties.

Stop.

You are making too much sense.

And also inviting the "injury" excuse.

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:33 PM
good luck in geeting that through
some people's thick skull's! :lol:


It would take someone of far superior intelligence than you to do that. But thanks for the attempt.

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Since you seem so fixated,

When you prove your original assertion:
Originally Posted by Pureracket
You're sillier than I thought if you don't believe this. I'm actually wondering if you are one of them as I have rarely(if ever) seen you participate in anything on this board but an anti-Williams campaign.

It 'twas you who made the original assertion, and I replied in kind. Of course, some things come back to you three fold. Funny how someone like myself, who joined just two short weeks ago can engage in a "campaign" against any players. Heck, common sense tells me I haven't been around long enough to do that.

:worship: :devil: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:Julia,
I'm kinda surprised that you are avoiding the question like you're doing. You said that you have noticed a pattern of my posts against Maria Sharapova. I simply asked you to prove that you are not a liar by pointing out proof where I have done that. Can you? Are you a liar, Julia?

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Julia,
I'm kinda surprised that you are avoiding the question like you're doing. You said that you have noticed a pattern of my posts against Maria Sharapova. I simply asked you to prove that you are not a liar by pointing out proof where I have done that. Can you? Are you a liar, Julia?

Oh, silly one, this is what I originally said:Originally Posted by Julia1968

"However, I have noticed a pattern in your posted articles in reference to Maria."

I never claimed you posted "against" Maria. Read again. However, you DID say that I engage in an anti-Williams campaign here, of which you have yet to prove.

You are not a liar, you are just plain STUPID.

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Julia,
I never denied that I was stupid. Please explain the "pattern" of my posts about Maria, though. Thanks.

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 08:06 PM
bump

Julia1968
Jan 5th, 2005, 08:10 PM
bump


Whatcha "bumping" for???

Giggles!

This thread is continued at the "Interesting Comment from Sharapova about her match" thread authored by Pureracket.

:cool: :bounce: :cool: :bounce: :cool: :bounce: :devil:

Pureracket
Jan 5th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Whatcha "bumping" for???

Giggles!

This thread is continued at the "Interesting Comment from Sharapova about her match" thread authored by Pureracket.

:cool: :bounce: :cool: :bounce: :cool: :bounce: :devil:Julia,
Please prove to me what you said about my pattern of Sharapova posts. Were you lying when you said that?

Pureracket
Jan 6th, 2005, 03:47 AM
bump

Pureracket
Jan 6th, 2005, 12:27 PM
bump

Doraemon
Jan 9th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Don't you have a piece of poo poo to buzz over? Shoo!!!!

I will get lost and leave the bloody board permanently if Venus makes it past the QFs at the AO. So, don't worry it's a matter of time before I shoo! (of course you gotta keep your fingers crossed for her good play or more for her opponent having an off day).