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harloo
Jan 1st, 2005, 07:51 PM
Navratilova: I'm still good enough to compete

Posted: Friday December 31, 2004 1:31AM; Updated: Friday December 31, 2004 1:31AM
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Martina Navratilova was eliminated by Gisela Dulko in the second round at Wimbledon last summer.
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GOLD COAST, Australia (AP) -- Martina Navratilova said Friday she's still on the tennis circuit because she's good and continues to work hard to improve her game.

The 48-year-old Navratilova, entered in the doubles draw at the Australian hardcourt championships at Royal Pines, also took issue with critics who say her longevity is due to the lack of depth in women's tennis.

"I've been asked that question for the past five years and frankly I consider it an insult," Navratilova said at a news conference. "Women's tennis is really strong and all I can say is I'm that damn good.

"I'm sorry but I really have to blow my own horn here -- I'm still that good. The ball doesn't know how old you are."

Navratilova, winner of 58 Grand Slam titles, accused the media of double standards when reporting on male athletes coming back from retirement and playing well.

" Mario Lemieux came back after two years and started scoring goals and all the reporters were saying, 'wow he's really good,' but when a woman does it, they question the standard of competition she's playing in," said Navratilova, who retired earlier this year.

"You wouldn't ask John McEnroe that question would you?"

She said she has worked hard on her flexibility to keep her game in touch.

"Since 1984 I haven't lost a match from being tired and I might be playing some singles events this season depending on the surface," she said.

"The main problem is movement but I've worked on that and I feel I really have time to hit the ball. I have changed my grip a lot with both shots and worked hard on my flexibility."

Navratilova returns to competition Sunday on the same courts where she teamed with Russian Svetlana Kuznetsova to win the Australian hardcourt doubles title in 2003. It was Navratilova's first appearance in Australia in 14 years.

This year, she is playing with defending tournament singles champion Nathalie Dechy of France.

Elsewhere, Lindsay Davenport of the United States has been replaced by Meghann Shaughnessy in the American team at the Hopman Cup mixed team event at Perth, Australia. Davenport and James Blake, who is returning on the American team, won last year's title.

The Americans play their first match Tuesday against the winner of Saturday's qualifying match between the Netherlands and Zimbabwe.



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:D ;)

Rtael
Jan 1st, 2005, 08:09 PM
:)

SzavayFi
Jan 1st, 2005, 08:12 PM
Of course she is good enough. Wait youll see she and Dani will win the Aussie Open! :D

ToeTag
Jan 1st, 2005, 09:19 PM
"[Ice hockey's] Mario Lemieux came back after two years and started scoring goals and all the reporters were saying, 'wow he's really good,' but when a woman does it, they question the standard of competition she's playing in," said Navratilova, who retired earlier this year. I have to agree with this comment.I was watching a men's hockey tournament,and the commentators were marvelling at how a player had made it to a european elite league after playing in a hick league{ever seen the movie SlapShot} in Quebec.The guy is now doing well in this european "elite" league.Neither commentator questioned the level of play in the european league...even though the the guy came from a"slapshot" league.

jrm
Jan 1st, 2005, 09:26 PM
She was never modest

bw2082
Jan 1st, 2005, 09:39 PM
Martina :haha: :worship:

RenaSlam.
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:06 PM
She isn't the most irritating player ever....oh wait, yes she is. You NEED to retire, Martina.

Farina Elia Fan
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:22 PM
You NEED to retire, Martina.


why does she need to retire??? If she can still play tennis, why should we complain?

Rtael
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:06 AM
She isn't the most irritating player ever....oh wait, yes she is. You NEED to retire, Martina.

You need to retire from posting.

Farina Elia Fan
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:08 AM
You need to retire from posting.


I agree :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Scotso
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:11 AM
I don't mind her playing, I like it... but I remember her saying that 2004 was going to be her absolute last year?

JenFan75
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:41 AM
Why can't she just retire when she says she's going to?

WandaSpa
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:49 AM
The gal's the closest thing to an intellectual on the tour, and one of the few, truly charismatic players. The game desperately needs her...I almost wept at the stultifying US Open Final last year, contested by two banal uggers; the only high point of that match was seeing Martina N. in the stands.

selking
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:52 AM
I'm so happy that she is playing again. Maybe she will break steffis money record(which she should already have) and win another GS

Sonja
Jan 2nd, 2005, 03:03 AM
She isn't the most irritating player ever....oh wait, yes she is. You NEED to retire, Martina.
Why?! She is THAT good!

January, 2004 - W/Paes, as Australian Open mixed doubles defending champions, l. in final to unseeded first-time pair Bovina/Zimonjic

February - With Raymond, as No. 1 doubles seeds at Tokyo [Pan Pacific], upset in SF by eventual champions Black/Stubbs

March - With Raymond, as No. 4 doubles seeds at Miami, l. SF to No. 2 seeds Kuznetsova/Likhovtseva

April - Returned to Charleston and reached doubles final with Raymond as No. 2 seeds, l. to top-seeds and defending champions Ruano Pascual/Suárez; member of US Fed Cup team that d. Slovenia 4-1 in 1r (won doubles rubber w/Raymond)

May - At Vienna, as No. 1 seeds in doubles w/Raymond, won first 2004 doubles title (second as a team) by d. No. 2 seeds and three-time 2004 finalists Black/Stubbs; reached Roland Garros doubles SF w/Raymond as No. 5 seeds, l. to No. 2 seeds Kuznetsova/Likhovtseva

June - Returned to Wimbledon seeded No. 3 in doubles w/Raymond, l. SF to No. 5 seeds Huber/Sugiyama

July - Reached San Diego SF w/Raymond, l. to No. 2 seeds and eventual champions Black/Stubbs

August - At Athens Olympics, the first Olympics competition of her career, competed in doubles w/Raymond, as No. 3 seeds, l. QF to No. 5 seeds Asagoe/Sugiyama of Japan; w/Raymond in New Haven doubles (as No. 3 seeds), eliminated top-seeds Black/Stubbs in SF, but l. to No. 2 seeds Petrova/Shaughnessy in final; w/Paes, as No. 8 seeds in US Open mixed doubles, was upset in SF third-set tie-break by unseeded Molik/Woodbridge

I'd say that's pretty damn good and reason enough to continue playing.

MisterQ
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:21 AM
I recently watched her singles win on tape against Castano at Wimbledon 2004, and her 3-set loss to Dulko in the second round. Yes, she is still quite a remarkable player (even taking into consideration the poor play of Castano). The way Martina uses the court is so unlike the modern players, yet so logical, it is exhilarating to watch. And there is simply no one else who can volley like she does. I hope she has great success in 2005.

greenfunkTHREE.
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:27 AM
i think martina's quite cool. i like her racquet

tenn_ace
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:30 AM
She isn't the most irritating player ever....oh wait, yes she is. You NEED to retire, Martina.

what would you say if someone said the same about your favourite player?


No need to respond, we all know....

tenn_ace
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:31 AM
keep going Martina! A lot of people still come to watch your tennis and I'm one of them :kiss:

Shenay La Soul
Jan 2nd, 2005, 05:08 AM
Many players past AND present can only wish they were damn good.

Pamela Shriver
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:36 AM
Martina is a legend!!



She's definately the best player I've ever carried.


;)

Brian Stewart
Jan 2nd, 2005, 09:45 AM
Martina hit the nail on the head about the double standards. Remember almost a decade ago when Monica came back and did so well, and the trashing the women got in the press. Then one writer finally pointed out that people didn't trash the NBA when Michael Jordan came back from a couple of years playing baseball and dropped a double-nickel on the Knicks. And just look at the greybeards in all of sports. Whether it's a Roger Clemons or Barry Bonds or Brett Favre, or whomever is successful at an advanced age, they get praised. But God forbid it should be a Gail Devers or Martina Navratilova. Then the negatives come hurtling forward.

Prizeidiot
Jan 2nd, 2005, 10:27 AM
Without a doubt there are double standards, but I would like to note just one thing.

People were already questioning the standards of womens tennis. Martina's comeback didn't start the debate, it was merely proof. Women's tennis IS lacking depth when you get past the top players.

Not that that takes away from Martina's achievement's. She's still a freak. I believe she should play if she's competing, because the point of grand slams and big tournaments are to have the best players no matter their age, not to make way for rising players.

Chrissie-fan
Jan 2nd, 2005, 11:26 AM
Martina is correct. George Foreman became the heavyweight champ again at 45,and at 48 he was still one of the best fighters in the world. He got lots of credit for that,and of course he deserved every bit of it. But when a 48 year old woman wins some matches against lower ranked players they all of a sudden question the sport as a whole. Women seldom get the credit they deserve. Well,those critics can stick their comments where the sun don't shine! God only knows they have plenty of room there! :smoke:

hingis-seles
Jan 2nd, 2005, 11:38 AM
Right on the money, in true Martina style! :yeah:

Gerri
Jan 2nd, 2005, 11:54 AM
There's nothing like self confidence :lol:

Her style of play is so unusual today and so good to see. I still love to watch her and as long as she's not embarassing herself I say she should carry on :rocker2:

Chunchun
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:32 PM
:lol: :silly:

Wojtek
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:39 PM
She isn't the most irritating player ever....oh wait, yes she is. You NEED to retire, Martina.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She is playing only doubles and mixed doubles. Can you show me better serve and volley play in doubles?

Andy T
Jan 2nd, 2005, 01:47 PM
You tell 'em Martina! Let us not forget that there have been other players in their 40s who have held their own against the youngsters, players like Margaret Osborne-Dupont, Pancho Gonzales and Ken Rosewall, for example.

How anyone can link her success to a lack of depth is beyond me. For a start, how can one player's success determine the level of depth in any sport? It doesn't make sense.
Does Federer's dominance of the men's game reveal a lack of depth? When Navratilova/Graf/Borg/Sampras domiinated, was there a lack of depth? Second, Martina has only played a handful of singles events and she's not met any of the top 25 so there's no evidence to draw any conclusion either way. Finally, she's widely acknowledged as the greatest women's doubles player of all time so the fact that she got to the semis at RG and Wimbledon last year in tandem with a fine doubles partner can hardly be surprising either.

The bottom line is that Martina's game is technically good enough, she's tactically smarter and more experienced than the youngsters out there and she's physically fit enough to go the distance - in doubles at least - and compete here and now in 2005.

Why can't people just rejoice in seeing the greats do their stuff, whatever the context? Having Steffi and Gaby playing exhibitions, Hingis returning at Pattaya and maybe Monica coming back in March is wonderful for all true tennis fans.

Here's to a great year for women's tennis in 2005!

GoDominique
Jan 2nd, 2005, 02:07 PM
"Since 1984 I haven't lost a match from being tired."
That's a lie.

ginger_fish668
Jan 2nd, 2005, 02:21 PM
Martina!!!! You go girl! :rocker:

Julia1968
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:03 PM
That's a lie.

Do you have something of substance to offer of which to prove your assertion that Navratilova lied????? Otherwise, it appears as though you are the liar.

GoDominique
Jan 2nd, 2005, 04:07 PM
Do you have something of substance to offer of which to prove your assertion that Navratilova lied?????Yes. I have seen her in 3rd sets of doubles matches which she lost badly because she was visibly tired. :)

ali
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:12 PM
The only problem I have with Martina deciding to continue for another year is that she made such a big deal out of 2004 being her last season! She was interviewed at Wimbledon saying that she wouldn't be back and made a comment about her being sad that her final match was on one of the outside courts watched by only a handful of fans (because of the backlog of matches due to rain).


Now I don't think it reflects badly at all on women's tennis that Martina is still playing, and good for her if she still thinks she's "that damn good". But I just hope we don't have the circus again like at this year's Wimbledon. Sure people want to see Martina play, but she shouldn't expect a divine right to play on the show courts all the time. Unfortunately I think she does think she has that right - and it annoys me that it prevents other fine players the opportunity to play on the world's greatest stage.

Will she ever quit before she breaks BJK's Wimbledon record? ;)

harloo
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:28 PM
Martina use to be a dominant force, and of course she can have a win over a lower ranked player in todays game, but can she beat the big guns in singles? Everyone knows that doubles compared to singles is apples and oranges.

I do like that Martina is real with her comments. She says what she feels regardless of who don't like what she has to say. Most of the time it's pretty much off, but some of the times she does have a point.

crazillo
Jan 2nd, 2005, 06:30 PM
The omly prblem I have with Martina deciding to continue for another year is that she made such a big deal out of 2004 being her last season! She was interviewed at Wimbledon saying that she wouldn't be back and made a comment about her being sad that her final match was on one of the outside courts watched by only a handful of fans (because of the backlog of matches due to rain).


Now I don't think it reflects badly at all on women's tennis that Martina is still playing, and good for her if she still thinks she's "that damn good". But I just hope we don't have the circus again like at this year's Wimbledon. Sure people want to see Martina play, but she shouldn't expect a divine right to play on the show courts all the time. Unfortunately I think she does think she has that right - and it annoys me that it prevents other fine players the opportunity to play on the world's greatest stage.

Will she ever quit before she breaks BJK's Wimbledon record? ;)

This was just a show and for the publicity. ;)

KV
Jan 2nd, 2005, 08:38 PM
I recently watched her singles win on tape against Castano at Wimbledon 2004, and her 3-set loss to Dulko in the second round. Yes, she is still quite a remarkable player (even taking into consideration the poor play of Castano). The way Martina uses the court is so unlike the modern players, yet so logical, it is exhilarating to watch. And there is simply no one else who can volley like she does. I hope she has great success in 2005.
She did well at Wimbly despite the courts being slowed down. Just a feeling I think Martina would have def. G. Dulko on the old Wimbly courts.

henmanhill
Jan 2nd, 2005, 11:56 PM
The only problem I have with Martina deciding to continue for another year is that she made such a big deal out of 2004 being her last season! She was interviewed at Wimbledon saying that she wouldn't be back and made a comment about her being sad that her final match was on one of the outside courts watched by only a handful of fans (because of the backlog of matches due to rain).


Now I don't think it reflects badly at all on women's tennis that Martina is still playing, and good for her if she still thinks she's "that damn good". But I just hope we don't have the circus again like at this year's Wimbledon. Sure people want to see Martina play, but she shouldn't expect a divine right to play on the show courts all the time. Unfortunately I think she does think she has that right - and it annoys me that it prevents other fine players the opportunity to play on the world's greatest stage.

Will she ever quit before she breaks BJK's Wimbledon record? ;)

OK, so she changed her mind. Does it matter? It's great that she's still playing and I hope she continues for as long as she is able to compete at the highest level - as she has shown she can still do. Martina is a one-off and we should celebrate that. The game will be the poorer when she does finally retire.

Alan
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:01 AM
Martina hit the nail on the head about the double standards. Remember almost a decade ago when Monica came back and did so well, and the trashing the women got in the press. Then one writer finally pointed out that people didn't trash the NBA when Michael Jordan came back from a couple of years playing baseball and dropped a double-nickel on the Knicks. And just look at the greybeards in all of sports. Whether it's a Roger Clemons or Barry Bonds or Brett Favre, or whomever is successful at an advanced age, they get praised. But God forbid it should be a Gail Devers or Martina Navratilova. Then the negatives come hurtling forward.
my point too, exactly :wavey:

fammmmedspin
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:37 AM
Martina use to be a dominant force, and of course she can have a win over a lower ranked player in todays game, but can she beat the big guns in singles? Everyone knows that doubles compared to singles is apples and oranges.

I.
To be fair she seems to realise when she has met her Dulko at singles.

The interesting question is how on earth she can still do fairly well at doubles after a period when she couldn't even in the early nineties. There its probably all relative. Technically she is good. Mixed doubles tends to feature quite a few players who are top 40 in singles with no real doubles pedigree. Don't think she is doing that well against the current top womens doubles players though and even when you look at them, you think they seem to be playing something that doesn't look like traditional doubles. Gigi and Natasha seem to live on in the high fives, hand contact after each point and on court etiquette but few seem to have actually learnt to copy their plays - let alone Pam and Martina's. In the land of the singles playing doubles players, the old girl who knows how to actually play the doubles game is still viable.

fammmmedspin
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:45 AM
Martina hit the nail on the head about the double standards. Remember almost a decade ago when Monica came back and did so well, and the trashing the women got in the press. Then one writer finally pointed out that people didn't trash the NBA when Michael Jordan came back from a couple of years playing baseball and dropped a double-nickel on the Knicks. And just look at the greybeards in all of sports. Whether it's a Roger Clemons or Barry Bonds or Brett Favre, or whomever is successful at an advanced age, they get praised. But God forbid it should be a Gail Devers or Martina Navratilova. Then the negatives come hurtling forward.
Thats true but Gail never stopped and was still winning world titles at her frontline sprinting and hurdles events last year as she had most years since 1992. Martina being competitive now is largely Martina being good but it may partly be that there are no Novotna's, Natasha's, Gigi's, Helena's, Martina H's or anyone who can actually play doubles brilliantly around now. Gail beats a pretty unchanging level of competition, Martina's competition is a very different proposition than what faced her when she retired for the first time in the nineties?

SelesFan70
Jan 3rd, 2005, 05:26 AM
This woman is obsessed with breaking the Wimbledon record. She'll not retire until she breaks it... :rolleyes:

:wavey: Leave already! Your place as 3rd best in history (Graf, Evert) is secure, Martina!

Andy T
Jan 3rd, 2005, 08:23 AM
The 2004 YER of the players who beat Martina last year is as follows:

Likhovtseva #24
Frazier #26
Dulko #33
Sequerra (her first singles match in 2 years and her second in 10 years) #134

The players she beat, Santangelo and Castano, were year-end ranked #86 and respectively #113.

A 2-2 record on grass suggests that she does indeed have grounds to argue that she can hold her own on the fast surfaces.

jamesuk
Jan 3rd, 2005, 07:07 PM
Though it was unofficial, didnt she do pretty well at the Eastbourne Consolation Cup, got to the final and almost beat Silvia Farina??

Calimero377
Jan 3rd, 2005, 09:06 PM
This woman is obsessed with breaking the Wimbledon record. She'll not retire until she breaks it... :rolleyes:

:wavey: Leave already! Your place as 3rd best in history (Graf, Evert) is secure, Martina!


What - that from a Seles fan??

Well, you are a Condi aficionado too obviously. And don't they call Condi the "Steffi of politics" ... ? ;)

charmedRic
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:04 AM
Best Of Luck In 2005, Martina!

tenn_ace
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:31 AM
This woman is obsessed with breaking the Wimbledon record. She'll not retire until she breaks it... :rolleyes:



and why is it your issue? how does she bother you? please, enlighten us...

sabandborg
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:45 AM
The only Tina with guts is still that good.

Go Navratilova!

I must add, she's never resorted to any lowdown dirty tricks to win. That's Justine's exclusive purview.

tenn_ace
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:58 AM
I must add, she's never resorted to any lowdown dirty tricks to win. That's Justine's exclusive purview.
you gonna post this crap in every thread? :rolleyes:

sabandborg
Jan 4th, 2005, 04:12 AM
you gonna post this crap in every thread? :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm driven to tell the truth.

Apologies to all teen_aces(s)!

Regards!

tenn_ace
Jan 4th, 2005, 04:13 AM
Yes, I'm driven to tell the truth.

Apologies to all teen_aces(s)!

Regards!

better than being sychobags...:wavey:

Philbo
Jan 4th, 2005, 05:07 AM
This woman is obsessed with breaking the Wimbledon record. She'll not retire until she breaks it... :rolleyes:

:wavey: Leave already! Your place as 3rd best in history (Graf, Evert) is secure, Martina!
3rd best?? LOL..

At least Monica has better taste and judge of character than you -:lol: her biggest embarrasment as a fan!!:lol:

crazillo
Jan 4th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Well, she showed it again:

Dechy/Navratilova (FRA/USA) d. Dellacqua/Sewell (AUS/AUS) 76(0) 63

Now against 2nd seeds Likovtseva/Maleeva.

alfajeffster
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:32 PM
...The ball doesn't know how old you are."
This is my favorite part of her quote, as it rings so true and is so often forgotten- the game is bigger than any one person who ever played it, and it's refreshing to hear her say this, as it shows that deep down she really does have a well-founded respect for the game of tennis. GOOD FOR HER!!!

GoDominique
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Well, she showed it again:

Dechy/Navratilova (FRA/USA) d. Dellacqua/Sewell (AUS/AUS) 76(0) 63

Now against 2nd seeds Likovtseva/Maleeva.
Impressive victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pureracket
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Well, she showed it again:

Dechy/Navratilova (FRA/USA) d. Dellacqua/Sewell (AUS/AUS) 76(0) 63

Now against 2nd seeds Likovtseva/Maleeva.NICE!!!!!

crazillo
Jan 4th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Impressive victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it shows there are enough ladies who are a lot weaker which shows the critics were wrong. ;)

Chrissie-fan
Jan 4th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Former boxing champ Roberto Duran on his use of "dirty tactics": "What do I care what people think? All that matters is that when it's all over I'm standing there with my arms up in the air and the other guy lies on the floor counting the ring lights." :smoke:


I must add, she's never resorted to any lowdown dirty tricks to win. That's Justine's exclusive purview.