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Volcana
Dec 31st, 2004, 03:15 PM
The similarity in career accomplishment between these two is amazing!

GS singles titles ------ Venus 4, Arantxa 4
GS doubles titles ------ Venus 6, Arantxa 6
GS mixed d titles ------ Venus 2, Arantxa 4
Fed Cup titles --------- Venus 1, Arantxa 5

Olympic Gold__ singles - Venus 1, Arantxa 0
Olympic Silver singles - Venus 0, Arantxa 1
Olympic Bronze singles - Venus 0, Arantxa 1

Olympic Gold__ doubles - Venus 1, Arantxa 0
Olympic Silver doubles - Venus 0, Arantxa 1
Olympic Bronze doubles - Venus 0, Arantxa 1

Weeks at #1 ------------ Venus 11, Arantxa 12

Career singles titles -- Venus 31, Arantxa 29
Slams finals record ---- Venus 4-6, Arantxa 4-8

Nacho
Dec 31st, 2004, 03:26 PM
yes, pretty similar indeed

(so far)

jogoss_78
Dec 31st, 2004, 03:33 PM
I agree it's quite strange

MisterQ
Dec 31st, 2004, 03:59 PM
I knew they were close, but didn't realize how close! :eek:

jimbo mack
Dec 31st, 2004, 04:04 PM
their heads to heads isnt as close
venus leads 6-3

they've played some great matches
the best one i saw between them was the olympic quarter-final

Chunchun
Dec 31st, 2004, 04:14 PM
anyway i luv Venus more!:hearts:

hingis-seles
Dec 31st, 2004, 04:24 PM
What about career doubles titles? Are those equal or does ASV have a big edge, since Venus rarely plays doubles in non-GS events.

jenny161185
Dec 31st, 2004, 04:37 PM
very similar indeed!

Paneru
Dec 31st, 2004, 05:17 PM
Venus 9; Aranxta 67... But I didn't expect to see that stat when I entered this thread.

Outside of GS's Venus has only entered about 18
tournaments in doubles since she turned pro in 94'.

Gallofa
Dec 31st, 2004, 05:25 PM
Number of weeks at Doubles N.1 has also been omited, which would favour Arantxa... but to be fair, their winning percentage has not been listed either, and that would favour Venus ;)

Nacho
Dec 31st, 2004, 06:28 PM
well, ASV did reach 22 slam semifinals (Venus 13) and that was also omited ;)

Venus_Serena
Dec 31st, 2004, 06:48 PM
Venus has the second best pourcentage win/loss in double in the history of tennis, it's quite strange;)

maybe not in the history of tennis lol, but according to wtatour.com

Paneru
Dec 31st, 2004, 07:00 PM
Also, in all fairness things would be
assessed much better if both were retired.

Paneru
Dec 31st, 2004, 07:20 PM
Venus has the second best pourcentage win/loss in double in the history of tennis, it's quite strange;)

maybe not in the history of tennis lol, but according to wtatour.com

That's because she rarely plays outside of Slams
and most of the time when she has played with
Serena she has won.

Venus' last doubles match with Serena and/or Chanda
outside of GS's, OG's, & Fed Cup was Sydney 01'.

Venus' Doubles Record

Grand Slams: 52/8
Olympics: 5/1
Fed Cup: 3/0
Other WTA Tournaments: 33/13

Overall: 93/22

fammmmedspin
Dec 31st, 2004, 07:40 PM
Its even stranger how alike their records are when you look at their careers - Venus played sparsely and had a short period of dominance. ASV just kept on going playing everywhere and won her GS over a long long period.

Volcana
Dec 31st, 2004, 11:17 PM
Its even stranger how alike their records are when you look at their careers - Venus played sparsely and had a short period of dominance. ASV just kept on going playing everywhere and won her GS over a long long period.Yeah, but length of a career is not guaranteed. Look at Maureen Connolly or Martina Hingis.

mboyle
Jan 1st, 2005, 02:10 AM
What about career doubles titles? Are those equal or does ASV have a big edge, since Venus rarely plays doubles in non-GS events.
60 something to 9 or 10:o

SzavayFi
Jan 1st, 2005, 02:21 AM
Wow they are similar. NOT FOR LONG THO! :D :D :D!

Pureracket
Jan 1st, 2005, 04:49 AM
Dr. Martian Bagel is kinda psychotic about Volcana threads. That's been omitted too.

DEETHELICK
Jan 1st, 2005, 05:02 PM
Its interesting. Right now, with Arantxa's doubles No. 1 ranking, Fed Cups and longevity, she does clinch it. She was a multiple Slam finalist at all 4 Slams.

And she won her GS in 3 very different eras.

However if Venus can raise her level again, I have am sure she will surpass Arantxa's achievements.

However Arantxa will always be a legend in tennis. :)

Geisha
Jan 1st, 2005, 06:25 PM
Very close! But, Arantxa has played many more years than Venus, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gap started to widen in favor of the Queen.

volta
Jan 1st, 2005, 08:24 PM
juste remeber that Venus carrer ain´t over yet :P so i bet that she´s gonna overcome arantxa but they are very similar now

raquel
Jan 1st, 2005, 08:29 PM
Very close! But, Arantxa has played many more years than Venus, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gap started to widen in favor of the Queen.
Well Venus has definitely added some in the titles won department but as for the Grand Slams won she's at the same as she was at at the end of 2001. Who would have thought at the end of 2001 that at the start of 2005 Venus would still be tied with Arantxa in terms of Slams won and still very close to Arantxa in other categories? Nothing is guaranteed. Venus can certainly add to her titles won, but as for the Grand Slams won I don't think that's certain anymore.

tennisIlove09
Jan 1st, 2005, 09:43 PM
and each have had one main rival that hurt their 1-weeks at #1, 2-slam finals/# of majors

Venus has Serena
Arantxa had Steffi

Calimero377
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:06 PM
well, ASV did reach 22 slam semifinals (Venus 13) and that was also omited ;)


ASV had to play 7 of her 12 slam finals against the greatest-ever.
Venus played her sis most of the time ...

raquel
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:20 PM
ASV had to play 7 of her 12 slam finals against the greatest-ever.
Venus played her sis most of the time ...
When Jon Wertheim said Venus was greater and more accomplished than ASV I sent him a reply saying that I thought by beating Steffi in 2 GS finals and beating Steffi 4 times in Slams overall (only Seles did it too) was something that should be remembered. For ASV to beat Steffi in the 1989 French - the only person to beat Steffi in 9 Grand Slams (1988 Australian-1990 Australian) - was a great achievement. ASV had to deal with Steffi at her peak and the fact she came out of the Steffi, Seles, Hingis and late Navratilova years with 4 Slams and won her 4 Slams over a 9 year period compared to Venus's 14 month period might edge her ahead of Venus but Wertheim didn't publish my thoughts on his answer though :lol:

Darran
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:21 PM
ASV had to play 7 of her 12 slam finals against the greatest-ever.
Venus played her sis most of the time ...
A good point well made, and a reason why simply looking at numbers doesn't neccassarily tell you how good a player is.

Calimero377
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:28 PM
When Jon Wertheim said Venus was greater and more accomplished than ASV I sent him a reply saying that I thought by beating Steffi in 2 GS finals and beating Steffi 4 times in Slams overall (only Seles did it too) was something that should be remembered. For ASV to beat Steffi in the 1989 French - the only person to beat Steffi in 9 Grand Slams (1988 Australian-1990 Australian) - was a great achievement. ASV had to deal with Steffi at her peak and the fact she came out of the Steffi, Seles, Hingis and late Navratilova years with 4 Slams and won her 4 Slams over a 9 year period compared to Venus's 14 month period might edge her ahead of Venus but Wertheim didn't publish my thoughts on his answer though :lol:


Who is Wertheim?
:confused:

raquel
Jan 1st, 2005, 10:44 PM
Who is Wertheim?
:confused:
He writes a weekly tennis column and people can write in and ask a question or reply to something he said the week before. This is where he spoke about the Venus/ASV question - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jon_wertheim/11/01/mailbag.1101/index.html

But the next week he explained why he said Venus -

Last week, somebody asked you if Venus were to retire tomorrow, who would be considered more accomplished, her or Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario. You answered, simply, "Venus." Why? Aren't the numbers in Aranxta's favor? In my opinion, it's not so clear-cut. Joe, Allentown, Pa.

Yeah, we got a ton of mail on this, most of which underscoring why I hate comparing players. First, picking player A over player B doesn't mean that we "hate" or "disrespect" Player B, as many of you angrily stated. In this case, AS-V has our full admiration. (We'd vote her into the Hall of Fame without blinking.) Second, numbers don't tell half the story. Yes, on paper ASV's career is comparable, if not superior, to that of Venus. But at the heights of their powers, I think of Venus as such a greater player -- such a big ball-striker, such a potent server, such a driven competitor during the high-water mark in women's tennis history -- that I can't believe history won't recall her as the superior player.

Fair enough, I guess.

Joseosu19
Jan 1st, 2005, 11:22 PM
HAd I seen that Wertheim piece I would've said, the question was who would have the more ACCOMPLISHED career, not who was the better player. ANd in that case as of right now, I would say without a doubt Arantxa, however I would agree that Arantxa at her peak versus Venus at her peak would favor Venus.

Alvarillo
Jan 2nd, 2005, 12:12 AM
Arantxa :worship: :worship: :worship: