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lakeway11
Dec 22nd, 2004, 03:36 PM
Immigration's Third
World Cruelty To Animals
By Frosty Wooldridge
NewsWithViews.com
12-21-4

:fiery:
Last year, a horse named Gentle Song galloped into the wind. Gentle Song raced along the fences of the pasture on summer days. Gentle Song carried kids on her back around the paddock. A year ago, in California, two illegal aliens got drunk and ran Gentle Song over with a pickup truck for sport-blood sport.

An entire family stood shocked at the slaughter of an innocent horse. But, through their tears, they did not suspect their own senators and congressmen were at fault for this growing crisis in America-animal cruelty-via illegal immigration.

Last week, Louisa Lopez, who operates the Gentleman's Arena Game Club on the outskirts of Socorro, New Mexico, said, "So who are these outsiders telling me what to do? Who are they to come here with their ideas of what's right and wrong?" (Source: Simon Romero, NY Times) Lopez espouses the blood sport of cock fighting. Massachusetts outlawed it in 1836 for its cruel savagery and 47 other states followed suit. New Mexico maintains it as Governor Richardson doesn't want to upset its $50 million draw for NM's economy. It's a sure bet Richardson doesn't belong to any animal rights groups!

Most countries in the Third World do not have laws against animal cruelty. Mexico is one of them. Some cultures do not share our fondness for pets. Muslims regard dogs as unclean and owners may have their pets confiscated while on a walk. In parts of Asia, cats and dogs are skinned alive and boiled-much like lobsters.

One of the growing aspects of Third World Momentum invading the United States is the importation of cultures that perpetuate animal cruelty. Latin Americans invest in cock fighting like Americans cheer the NFL. In Mexico and New Mexico, they throw a couple of roosters into a small pen.

Eager men circle while placing bets on which cock will win. The roosters wear 'gaffs' or steel spikes taped to their legs. With no room to run, the cocks rage into a wild melee to the death. They peck, claw and maim one another. Red streams spurt and spray onto the cheering onlookers.

In horror, small children watch with their parents. Because kids are indoctrinated in this form of violence, they find animal cruelty to be a 'normal' aspect of life. The two men who killed Gentle Song gave no thought as they ran over the horse.

But immigrants bring other forms of Third World violence to animals. Dog fighting is banned in America. It carries a felony punishment, but thrives in cities where immigrant enclaves hide it. They know it's against the law, but they refuse to shed their Old World ways. The 'melting pot' has become the 'savage arena' of the celebration of 'diversity.' Who suffers? Animals. Even your pets!

That's right. Pet theft for dog fighting accelerates by the day as our immigrant populations expand. Trainers 'coach' dogs to fight by imposing a cruel protocol from the beginning of the dog's life. Dogs are starved to make them vicious, clubbed to make them tough, and are forced onto treadmills to the point of exhaustion.

Sergeant Steve Brownstein of the Chicago Police Department said, "The dog fighting business is a bloody, gruesome spectacle in which one animal tears the other apart. When dogs lose fights, owners who are angry about losing money often throw their animals into garbage dumps or put them into vacant apartments to die slow, agonizing deaths from infection or starvation. I've seen dogs with the skin torn off their faces, stomachs ripped open and corpses of dogs burned alive for losing fights."

Most distressing, in Arizona, up to half of missing pets are stolen. For what? Dog fighting! Pima County Sheriff Mike Duffey said, "Dogs and cats are stolen to be used as bait in bloody training exercises for dog fighting."

Yet another horrific blood sport is called "horse tripping." No doubt Lopez supports that as a viable business. It's practiced by Mexican charros (cowboys). They defend it as a 'cultural' right in our country.

This is a symptom of Third World Momentum invading America. Horses are driven around an arena where they are chased to gather maximum speed.

Once racing at full gallop, Mexicans pull ropes up to trip them. The horses plunge headfirst into the ground or somersault onto their heads. Many end up with broken necks, legs and other severe internal injuries. It is a death sentence. This is a part of the 'cultural diversity' being imported into America. A Mexican advocate of horse tripping in Nevada, Gabriel Velasquez said, "It is a cultural thing, something that came down from our ancestors and many, many years in this sport."

Of note, a long distance rider, my brother Howard Wooldridge, from Texas and the first man in the 21st century to ride a horse coast to coast across America in 2003, said, "Never hurt the horse. The horse first, me second." He walked much of the way to make it easier on his horse, Misty, an eight-year-old Pinto Paint. His outrage demonstrates America's contempt for horse tripping as a valid 'cultural thing' in our nation.

Whether it is animal sacrifices in city parks in Florida to New York called 'santeria,' horse tripping in private immigrant enclaves in our Southwest, dog and cat fighting where newcomers band together--this animal cruelty crisis raises the question of "What is America becoming?" What about the human cruelty of 'female genital mutilation clitorectomies' to baby girls of Muslim immigrants from Africa and the Middle East? Why are we inviting this depraved behavior into our country?

Where is this massive invasion of incompatible cultures from the Third World taking us? Who is responsible for facilitating this invasion of 1.2 million legal and the three million illegal aliens (Source: Time Magazine, 9/12/04) rushing across our borders annually? When will Congress own up to this outrage? Do we want our children meshed with such cultural barbarism? Can we educate enough immigrants fast enough to stop the uncivilized behaviors they bring to our country? Will we be able to withstand their numbers as they 'demonstrate or vote' for their 'rights' to maintain their barbaric cultural practices?

Does Louisa Lopez understand right from wrong? Does he understand morals, ethics, principles, decency, integrity and First World standards? The answer is, "NO!" His barbaric practices and mind set are not welcome in America. We do not subscribe to the Dark Ages of Mexico's blood sport culture and death of innocent animals.

We need a ten-year moratorium on all immigration into America so we can catch our national breath and regain a semblance of what this country means to humanity. It does not mean horse-tripping, santeria animal sacrifices, cock fighting, dog fighting or the killing of Gentle Song by drunken illegal aliens for the fun of it.

© 2004 Frosty Wooldridge - All Rights Reserved

Hulet
Dec 22nd, 2004, 03:46 PM
:fiery: That's not all. If you look at this website [ http://www.nass.usda.gov/ia/bulletin/pg99.pdf ], you will see how many animals those illegal immigrants have destroyed? Yes, I support the immigration moritorium if it stops this madness.

"Sluggy"
Dec 22nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
Immigration..... Im sick and tired of industries being ruined by illegals. Landscaping, construction, cooks, bossboys... who says Americans dont want to do these jobs. but illegals get paid less and we go jobless. I think we can cover our jobs with our own people.

Hulet
Dec 22nd, 2004, 03:54 PM
For more cruelity of immigrants (yes, it's all immigrants) on innocent animals, visit this site: http://www.peta.org/

lakeway11
Dec 22nd, 2004, 07:33 PM
:fiery: That's not all. If you look at this website [ http://www.nass.usda.gov/ia/bulletin/pg99.pdf ], you will see how many animals those illegal immigrants have destroyed? Yes, I support the immigration moritorium if it stops this madness.

anyone who compare horses & dogs to such must have a sheep mentality and a cattle mind :rolleyes:

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 07:55 AM
so the US now is majoritarily in favour of suppressing of human rights for muslims and has started bashing on "immigrants"(hell, it even once was a simpsons episode, people :rolleyes:), the freeest state in the world indeed.....poor people :sad:

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 07:59 AM
so the US now is majoritarily in favour of suppressing of human rights for muslims and has started bashing on "immigrants"(hell, it even once was a simpsons episode, people :rolleyes:), the freeest state in the world indeed.....poor people :sad:

Backlash against Muslims is to be expected post 9/11. Muslims were dancing and celebrating in the streets of Elizabeth New Jersey on 9/11 and you expect some Americans not be pissed off at Muslims. Hell, they should send all of the bad eggs to Antarctica. :fiery:

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:07 AM
Germany 1930's.....

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:18 AM
Germany 1930's.....


Not even close Rand, not even close. Any country that seeks to maintain order is then Facist right? not even close. And the UK, is it not basically the same? Just let 3000 people die at the royal palace and see what happens then.

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:19 AM
Germany 1930's.....

If your beloved Belgium was struck, and a group of people was celebrating in the streets about it, how would you feel about it?

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:26 AM
If your beloved Belgium was struck, and a group of people was celebrating in the streets about it, how would you feel about it?
fire of the reichsstag...
how many american muslims were cheering in the streets at that time? and how many american muslims are there? it seems to me that this whole "dancing in the streets"thing is a myth that appeared only a year ago or something...the only "dancing in the streets" we saw was coming from other countries...palestina comes to mind....
but starting segregation of a whole group because a few danced in the streets? if you really believe that's right you're really living in germany's 1930's.....just replace jews by muslims....because it's exactly what happened then...jews blamed because "they took the jobs of our own", and because they "had anti-german feelings"....that's how it started....and their martyrdom also started with "small enfringments of their civil rights"....it's exactly the same...but then it was because of the fire in the reichstaggsbuilding, now it's 911....as a jew who's family partly died in the camps this frightens me a lot!

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:28 AM
Not even close Rand, not even close. Any country that seeks to maintain order is then Facist right? not even close. And the UK, is it not basically the same? Just let 3000 people die at the royal palace and see what happens then.
"tries to maintain order" ????????? by taking of human rights of people? yes then they're fascistoid...the whole mechanisms in place are the same of germany's thirties, the fact you're not even able to see that is maybe even more frightening....

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:29 AM
Not even close Rand, not even close. Any country that seeks to maintain order is then Facist right? not even close. And the UK, is it not basically the same? Just let 3000 people die at the royal palace and see what happens then.
did american muslims cause 911? was there ANY american muslim involved in 911? you're using false arguments...it's like when the germans accused the communists of the fire....

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:33 AM
I did not say Amercain Muslims caused 9/11, but many Muslim Americans were celebrating in the streets of Elizabeth New Jersey the day 9/11 happen... SHAME. these are the bad EGGS we need to dispose of. Plus, probably many of the same people can or would contribute money to Muslim terrorists organizations. so they are just as bad as the terrorists themselves.

rand
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:38 AM
I did not say Amercain Muslims caused 9/11, but many Muslim Americans were celebrating in the streets of Elizabeth New Jersey the day 9/11 happen... SHAME. these are the bad EGGS we need to dispose of. Plus, probably many of the same people can or would contribute money to Muslim terrorists organizations. so they are just as bad as the terrorists themselves.
show me those american muslims dancing in the streets after 911....
and you keep using "probably" arguments which I'm sure you can' tprove in any way...you're still using the exact same rhetoric the nazi's did about the jews....

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:48 AM
show me those american muslims dancing in the streets after 911....
and you keep using "probably" arguments which I'm sure you can' tprove in any way...you're still using the exact same rhetoric the nazi's did about the jews....


You dont trust me? you dont believe me? Believe me...! They dont show that side of the story. I saw it on TV, ask other Americans, it happened, they did it... We didnt publicize it everywhere, because although those people are evil, we didnt want to publicize it, and make targets of them. Because some patriotic American like me, might have put a bullet in their eyes. Rand if you dont believe me, do some research, the fucking danced in the street.

Grohl
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:57 AM
If your beloved Belgium was struck, and a group of people was celebrating in the streets about it, how would you feel about it?
what have you got against belgium?

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:00 AM
I have nothing against Belgium, i love Belgium. Im sorry. i was only trying to illustrated that the US and Israel are not bad countries. Rand seemed to be calling America FAcist, and other people here also call American Facist. Which it is not

Grohl
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:05 AM
I have nothing against Belgium, i love Belgium. Im sorry. i was only trying to illustrated that the US and Israel are not bad countries. Rand seemed to be calling America FAcist, and other people here also call American Facist. Which it is not
well, you started in two threads about bad behaviour of belgians, and then you have nothing against it? there are other country's that could be good examples of bad behaviour, and you choose belgium twice?!? :fiery:

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:07 AM
I chose belgium cause I like and Respect Rand... but he kinda called America Facist. Again, I love Belgium. If i could not live in America, france, Israel or Holland, I would love to live in Belgium. If i said something bad about Belgium, qoute it and show me. all i did is post an article about Belgiums human rights violations. i did not say Belgium is bad, or Belgian people are bad. I love Belgium.

Grohl
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:10 AM
I chose belgium cause I like and Respect Rand... but he kinda called America Facist. Again, I love Belgium. If i could not live in America, france, Israel or Holland, I would love to live in Belgium. If i said something bad about Belgium, qoute it and show me. all i did is post an article about Belgiums human rights violations. i did not say Belgium is bad, or Belgian people are bad. I love Belgium.
I'm just saying that belgium isn't the only country that violates human rights

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:14 AM
OK, again im sorry if i hurt your feelings, but other posters have hurt mine. if you read my other thread, i said that "All countries have their skeletons in the closet", i did not single out Belgium.

Grohl
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:17 AM
ok, case dropped, and my feelings have been hurt several times, sorry if that happened to you as well

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:20 AM
Thank you, ok i am sorry again. I think the media and other influences paint an inaccurate picture of my country. I think you need to live there to truly understand what America is, where we came from, and where we are going. It is not easy to be the country with the most powerful military, a large free market economy etc etc. You're gonna piss people off not matter what you do.

Joana
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:36 AM
It is not easy to be the country with the most powerful military, a large free market economy etc etc.
Oh yes, it's heartbreaking. Poor America. :bigcry:

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:38 AM
Oh yes, it's heartbreaking. Poor America. :bigcry:

Oh yes, they all come round eventually, if not in this life, most certainly the hereafter. :eek:

pla
Dec 23rd, 2004, 11:12 AM
I did not say Amercain Muslims caused 9/11, but many Muslim Americans were celebrating in the streets of Elizabeth New Jersey the day 9/11 happen... SHAME. these are the bad EGGS we need to dispose of. Plus, probably many of the same people can or would contribute money to Muslim terrorists organizations. so they are just as bad as the terrorists themselves.

Even if there were muslims (how do you know their religion) dancing after the 9/11 in America (I only saw Palestinians in Palestina doing it) that doesn't mean you have to ristrcit human rights to anybody.

And btw, how can you live in France and talk against the immigration? Go back to USA :fiery: and then think about who made that country!

answer: immigrants!

I am sorry that I continue the arguing but that just made me so angry :fiery:

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 12:55 PM
Even if there were muslims (how do you know their religion) dancing after the 9/11 in America (I only saw Palestinians in Palestina doing it) that doesn't mean you have to ristrcit human rights to anybody.

And btw, how can you live in France and talk against the immigration? Go back to USA :fiery: and then think about who made that country!

answer: immigrants!

I am sorry that I continue the arguing but that just made me so angry :fiery:

How do i know they were muslims? They were muslims, thats how i know. I dont favour restricting human rights. I do however, believe that if they have connections to bad people, they have the right to get the hell out of the country. :angel: :lol:

I am not talking bad about immigration. I was expressing the viewpoint that immigration has killed the landscaping, restaurant and other industries. the illlegal immigrants have ruined that part of the job market that we could otherwise pay Americans to perform. Additionally, illegal aliens are a liability. they have no insurance yet they drive cars. Who pays the hospital bill when they run someone over, drive drunk etc. Also, many immigrants send substantial funds overseas, thus its an economic drain.

to answer your question: "And btw, how can you live in France and talk against the immigration? Go back to USA :fiery: and then think about who made that country"

what are you talking about. Firstly, I am a perfectly legal alien. I am here on a legitimate greencard as my spouse is french, and so are my children. I think my stake here is legitimate. i am insured, i am legally in the system. its not the same thing. Fine.... immigrants made the country.. now the country is fine and is alive and kicking.. and we dont need tons of immigrants any more.

griffin
Dec 23rd, 2004, 02:07 PM
I am not talking bad about immigration. I was expressing the viewpoint that immigration has killed the landscaping, restaurant and other industries. the illlegal immigrants have ruined that part of the job market that we could otherwise pay Americans to perform. Additionally, illegal aliens are a liability. they have no insurance yet they drive cars. Who pays the hospital bill when they run someone over, drive drunk etc. Also, many immigrants send substantial funds overseas, thus its an economic drain.
....

what are you talking about. Firstly, I am a perfectly legal alien. I am here on a legitimate greencard as my spouse is french, and so are my children. I think my stake here is legitimate. i am insured, i am legally in the system. its not the same thing. Fine.... immigrants made the country.. now the country is fine and is alive and kicking.. and we dont need tons of immigrants any more.

Just FYI - all of these are arguments that have been used against immigration and immigrants throughout US history. Previous generations of immigrants wanted to keep out the Irish, who then wanted to keep out the Italians who wanted to keep out the Eastern Eurpeans, who wanted to keep out, who wanted to keep out, who wanted to keep out (I may have the order a little mixed, I'm still working on my first cup of coffee). New waves of immigrants - legal or otherwise - have always faced opposition from some quarters, usually based on the same tired shit (they take our jobs, they suck up resources, we don't need them, blah blah blah, I got mine, so fuck them). Luckily for me, the borders weren't closed, or my various great/grandparents might never have met, and I wouldn't be here. And my partner, who's originally from New Zealand, wouldn't be here, either and I would be one horribly grumpy person

(and Americans CAN get those grunt-work jobs. There's nothing stopping them save the refusal to work for those wages)

griffin
Dec 23rd, 2004, 02:13 PM
As for cruelty to animals - immigration is not what causes it. The acts described in that article are horrific, but they are horrific because of what's being done, not who's doing them.

Anyone who is genuinely concerned about animal welfare (as opposed to just looking for an excuse to stick it to someone else) should spend their energy on getting stronger laws enacted - or even getting the existing laws enforced.

Pretty simple, really.

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 02:45 PM
Just FYI - all of these are arguments that have been used against immigration and immigrants throughout US history. Previous generations of immigrants wanted to keep out the Irish, who then wanted to keep out the Italians who wanted to keep out the Eastern Eurpeans, who wanted to keep out, who wanted to keep out, who wanted to keep out (I may have the order a little mixed, I'm still working on my first cup of coffee). New waves of immigrants - legal or otherwise - have always faced opposition from some quarters, usually based on the same tired shit (they take our jobs, they suck up resources, we don't need them, blah blah blah, I got mine, so fuck them). Luckily for me, the borders weren't closed, or my various great/grandparents might never have met, and I wouldn't be here. And my partner, who's originally from New Zealand, wouldn't be here, either and I would be one horribly grumpy person

(and Americans CAN get those grunt-work jobs. There's nothing stopping them save the refusal to work for those wages)


Fine. Can you refute that "Illegal" Aliens are an insurance liability? :) I know some that drive cars, insured by someone else. what happens when they get into an accident? Either Legalize them, or have them leave. :) There are just too many risks.. Clearly there are wonderful immigrants, who buy into and believe in the system more than our homegrowns. We're better off with them than with our own. and of course, then we have illegals that drive planes and smash them into big buildings. :fiery: We have to do something about them. :devil: Cant let that happen again. And as for me, i dont feel that way because i got mine. I didnt. Never made a lot of money.... never got a job by way of nepotism. My wife has a green card and will lose it like anyone else now that she resides out of the country. The law of the land should apply to all citizens. There are plenty of people in the country who "never got theirs" but they still see immigrants as unecessary competition in an already-tight job market. :)

griffin
Dec 23rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
There are plenty of people in the country who "never got theirs" but they still see immigrants as unecessary competition in an already-tight job market.

Unless they speak Algonquin or Iroquois or somesuch, trust me the same was said about their immigrant ancestors. Hence "I got mine"

Immigrants who smash planes into buildings are of course a bad thing. (as we say in these parts "Well, duh") But we have our fair share of home-grown terrorists and criminals. I'm worried about people sneaking into the country and bombing things, but I'm also worried about the Tim McVeigh's and Ted Kazinsky's of the world. The biggest threat to my safety on a day to day basis doesn't come from overseas.

"Sluggy"
Dec 23rd, 2004, 03:21 PM
show me those american muslims dancing in the streets after 911....
and you keep using "probably" arguments which I'm sure you can' tprove in any way...you're still using the exact same rhetoric the nazi's did about the jews....


this is not the link i was searching for, but it does illustrate some of it:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

wayitis
Dec 23rd, 2004, 05:06 PM
great posts by Rand and Griffin, as usual... :worship:

as for Ribbit, I don't think I'll bite the bait, as he is probably only looking to stir dust up, and very weakly at that, if I may say so... any scholar with reasonable knowledge would reduce your flawed logic to shambles as they are only nationalistic rhetoric...

the original article is just fascist utter crap, it starts by singling out an act of horrible savagery perpetraded by two sick individuals and then blames a whole nation for it... it's like a retorted journalist blaming the whole American society for the crimes of Charles Manson, and trying to undoubtly prove the weakness of that society, and consequently the superiority of his own (society), based on that... that sure does sound familiar, doesn't it? oh yeah, Hitler and Stalin were masters of wicked propaganda! I am sure if anyone goes to one of those massive chicken raising ranchs, more cruelty are done to animals than all the foreign inappropriate old culture habits could ever think of...

as for Lakeway11, who seems to be profoundly anti-immigration policy, you do have a right to express your opinion, but have you ever thought that the old capitalism adagio of free market and availability may apply in this case? to my best knowledge, no immigrant leaves his homeland because America is beautiful (which it is), but to have a life that unfortunately his native country cannot economically provide... If the most majority of them are making in the US, that's because there is a market for them... duh, that's one of the basic laws of the capitalism, for which the US is the beacon for it, it can supposedly provide all of who is willing to hard work with a better opportunity of life... those illegal immigrants are staying in America because Americans or/and American companies want them to, and have offered them with the means to stay... it's been proved by several researches that illegal immigrants actually contribute to the American economy much more than they burden it of... that's because these basically second citizens cannot be offered subsidized healthcare, Government sponsored educational programs, and the lack of a valid social security card makes them unavailable even to reclaim income tax returns and retirement plans... all while in the meantime the American unemployment rate remaining in historical lows... I cannot condems you on the way you think, even though I disagree with it, because your great-parents had probably to go through the same prejudgements and hardships from the early settlers... animosity and mistrust against newcomers exist eer since men became aware of possessivity, but always remember that eventually all the newcomers and "natives" came together to shape a great society...

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:49 PM
*wondering why it is a bad thing when people work in a rich country and send some of the money back to the poor country they came from. wondering why this is not a benign way of getting a tiny amount of redistribution of wealth in this terribly unequal world* :scratch:

rand
Dec 24th, 2004, 02:22 PM
this is not the link i was searching for, but it does illustrate some of it:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
you'd better not have posted that :lol:
so what you're saying NOW is that moslims should be punished because israeli were dancing in the streets? :lol:

rand
Dec 24th, 2004, 02:24 PM
but please stop barking on ribbit,he doesn't mean bad...and I do respect him very much :)

"Sluggy"
Jan 3rd, 2005, 10:32 AM
Unless they speak Algonquin or Iroquois or somesuch, trust me the same was said about their immigrant ancestors. Hence "I got mine"

Immigrants who smash planes into buildings are of course a bad thing. (as we say in these parts "Well, duh") But we have our fair share of home-grown terrorists and criminals. I'm worried about people sneaking into the country and bombing things, but I'm also worried about the Tim McVeigh's and Ted Kazinsky's of the world. The biggest threat to my safety on a day to day basis doesn't come from overseas.

Now that the sacred holidays are behind us i just wanted to add a comment to this. I agree that our homegrown terrorists are also a great threat to the country. AGREED! Only a stronger central government that doesnt have its hands tied with issues of civil liberties and other liberties, can protect the people from homegrown threats. Some posters suggest often that the US is too paranoid and too overactive, but au contraire, we are sometimes powerless to act and have to wait til our homegrowns actually strike before we can put them in a cage. I dont know if that is relevant, but it is a core issue to me.

lakeway11
Jan 3rd, 2005, 12:16 PM
while certainly terrorists are a treat to people of a country there is most certainly a greater threat--government. As all of history shows governments kill far more people than a whole slew of terrorists can ever dream of. And the common link to all government mass murder as detailed by R.J. Rummel is a strong central government...so the Founders is essence as always had it right in that liberty is an ideal that should be cherished and to be fought for always

Kart
Jan 3rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
We need a ten-year moratorium on all immigration into America so we can catch our national breath and regain a semblance of what this country means to humanity.
LOL.

Still, I'm sure that would teach you a lot.

*abby*
Jan 3rd, 2005, 04:09 PM
im sick of immigrants coming to my work and not even being able to speak english, and of people claiming benefits from our government while they do nothing to try and get themselves jobs, and of almost being in the minority by being english where i live! there has to be a limit!

*abby*
Jan 3rd, 2005, 04:10 PM
and they should leave the poor animals alone!!!!