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Oleh
Dec 20th, 2004, 04:49 AM
A picture speaks a thousand words, these videos speak a million.

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http://www.freemiddleeast.com/children.asp

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/violence.stm

http://w3.castup.net/mfa/incitement.htm -28 of them, straight from the mouths of Palestinians...courtosy of PATV and other such channels including Abu Dhabi TV and Hamas TV

http://w3.castup.net/mfa/anti_american_incitement.htm -All i can understand is "kill kill kill" no mention of peace, diplomacy or even making an effort..-Sublimily they are told "Kill the Jews"

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html -The kids of today huh?

http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html -Excellent doco 7 mins or 25

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part3.html ..Oh that cute little bird wants a massacre...MTV Palestinian Style!...You dont need toys when you have rocks...Kill ALL the Jews...Tought to kill


http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part7.html ..we must expell ALL the Israelis, and who is it who wants peace? And who is it who want destruction...??

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part11.html ...making up the news...

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part9.html ..peace? Whats that?

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part10.html ...mmmm 72 Virgins...What a guy would do..

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part4.html ...make mommy proud, and die

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part2.html ...rewriting the facts, but most moving is what the 14 yo boy who fights the Israelis has to say about us..on Palestinian TV..

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part12.html ...Arab worlds soap operas..now if only the bold and the beautiful were so ugly


http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part8.html ...ist not JUST Israel they want gone...

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part6.html -"The Prophet said: the Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. The Muslims will kill the Jews, rejoice [in it], rejoice in Allahs Victory. The Muslims will kill the Jews"
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20Al-Shatat.html -They know the Jews better than we do afterall..:o

Now ladies and gentlemen Boys and Girls, where is Israel creating such a culture of hatred and death? Where are our TV Shows on the lives of Muslims and their "Perverse ways", Where are we saying we never want peace, where are denying history? where are we mutilating our religion? where are we calling for the end of nations? where are we calling for GENOCIDE? Where is your proof?
A picture speaks a thousand words, a video many MANY more. Im sick of typing out the case for Israel, which is more valid than many people give credit for. Watch for your selves, if you fail to do so, shut up on the matter for good-you have no knowledge to comment either way.
This is media YOU DONT SEE, yet the arab world do and we do. But you think you know it all..that your idealistic ignorance will overcome reality, for shame. Watch it, watch it in the shoes of a Palestinian or of a Jew or Israeli, watch it and tell me there is a message OTHER than to HATE and KILL and RACISM and utter dis-regard for peace.
Do you find what they are saying MORAL? Are you suprised? Is Israel still the be all and end all of evil and the big bad guys? (Its far from perfect but its no Palestine)
Welcome to the real world kiddies, its not a pretty site.

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2004, 05:23 AM
I cannot open any of these video files. I did download the suggested windows media player. This may a settings issue. I'll fool about with it. However, might not the willingness of some Palestinians to use such obscene tactics be the result of the misery of their lives, rather than the misery of their lives being the result of a willingness to use such tactics?

There was a time, in the USA, when some Blacks preached that all Whites were 'Devils'. And, from the persepctive of the misery of our lives, and seeing the Whites willingness to not only deny that misery, but use whatever measures were necessary to maintain that misery, that characterization rang true. If you could see me now (like Ribbit can:)), you'd see how from the impressionable young person who heard that view I'd come.

Mass suicide at Masada was a rather extreme measure, but comparable to the misery of the alternative, preferable. (NOT in any way comparable to murder, or teaching children to murder. I simply needed an extreme choice as an example. If you find the choice offensive, I'll search for another one.)

And please, recall that this sort of low-grade warfare between neighboring peoples is NOT alien to the United States. Whites here used to reserve land, and jobs, and schools for themselves, and dictate where Blacks (and other non-whites) could or could not live and work. Indeed, we denied citizenship rights to large number of people born here, just as Israel does now. The two situations are not completely analogous, by any means, but you rhetoric about the dedication of Palestinians to the destruction of Israel and all things Jewish is painfully familiar. Substitute 'Whites' for 'Israelis' and 'Blacks' for 'Palestinians', jump the atlantic and rewind forty years.

Thanks again, for putting out all the effort. I'm learning a lot about the Isreali view of the PA I didn't know, and once I get this wmplayer problem worked out, I will check out all the video.

A wilingness to provide source material is a willingness to have it crosschecked for accuracy, which is, in itself, a sign of confidence in your material.

Oleh
Dec 20th, 2004, 05:30 AM
"Masada was a rather extreme measure, but comparable to the misery of the alternantive." -The alternative at masada was a genocide!

Hmm thats strange they are not working for you, i can open them okay, try right click and save as to make a short cut and go from there- I got them playing that way. Umm you may need to install the codec on some of them, but this usually comes automaticaly..
Also do you have ADSL internet connection, that may be why also if you dont..but you should be able to get them on low bandwith, esp the MFA ones which there are options to choose "low" or "Best"..if you are on 56k go low otherwise high..you probably know this and im just rambling!

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2004, 05:40 AM
"Masada was a rather extreme measure, but comparable to the misery of the alternantive." -The alternative at masada was a genocide!Is that because the Hebrews would have fought to the last man anyway, or because the opposition was going to execute them all if captured? I honestly don't know this.

Oleh
Dec 20th, 2004, 05:43 AM
Execute-the romans wouldnt tolerate Jewish rebels, when they made their way up the mountain it wasnt to take prisoners, the Jews refused to be killed alive if that makes any sense.