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Volcana
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:22 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6729916/

Poll shows U.S. views on Muslim-Americans
Nearly half of those surveyed say some rights should be restricted




http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041217/041217_muslimamericans_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg Andrew Locke / MSNBC.com file




A recent survey by Cornell University found that found 44 percent of Americans favor at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The Associated Press
Updated: 9:57 p.m. ET Dec. 17, 2004

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

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The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims’ civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.

'Disturbing news'
Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim-Americans.

“It’s sad news. It’s disturbing news. But it’s not unpredictable,” said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society. “The nation is at war, even if it’s not a traditional war. We just have to remain vigilant and continue to interface.”

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim-Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

37 percent believe terrorist attack likely
James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped organize the survey, said the results indicate “the need for continued dialogue about issues of civil liberties” in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

“We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse may nurture fear rather than understanding,” Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90 percent.

NOTE: I do NOT support curtailing the rights of Muslims in any way. The rights of Whites certainly were not curtailed while Black churches were being bombed by terrorists, and Blacks were being lynched by terrorists. This is far less of a threat, and so far, has killed far fewer Americans. Anyone who supports this has lost track of the reality that 'Freedom' is't free. It comes with risks, and requires vigilance.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

Bacardi
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:26 AM
To restrict someone's right just because of their religion. Haven't they figured out yet, that not all Muslims are keen on destroying our world, and want us dead. Not all of them think that way, in fact dare I say it probably less than 5% actually consider it. This is completely absurd.

How would the bible thumpers of the southern US states like it if someone came and curbed their rights? I mean they're are more of them crazier than the crazy small percentage of people with Muslim beliefs

Sam L
Dec 18th, 2004, 07:44 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. IT's about WHITE CHRISTIANS, if you're not a White AND a Christian, your rights will eventually be taken away. That's fact.

Sam L
Dec 18th, 2004, 07:44 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. IT's about WHITE CHRISTIANS, if you're not a White AND a Christian, your rights will eventually be taken away. That's fact.
The evolution of the KKK, imo.

sixfeetfree
Dec 18th, 2004, 08:13 AM
Sam, are you telling me that you're comparing white christian americans to the kkk? Because if so, I do have a rebuttal, but I would like to be crystal clear on your sentence first. Please elaborate.

sixfeetfree
Dec 18th, 2004, 08:28 AM
How would the bible thumpers of the southern US states like it if someone came and curbed their rights? I mean they're are more of them crazier than the crazy small percentage of people with Muslim beliefs

Bacardi, are you using southern born, bible reading people as an example or is that what you think of the people in southern United States? I can attest to being the very thing you describe, although "bible thumper" isn't very accurate and I have been nothing but polite, welcoming and hospitable to everyone, regardless of race, creed, color or religion.

Have you compared the crazy population of the U.S. to the 'small percentage' of Muslims to find the majority? I'd be willing to bet that there are more Muslim extremists than southern U.S. extremists in this world. Approximately 1.3 Billion compared to what, say 70 million in the southern U.S., coast to coast? Interesting....

Mariangelina
Dec 18th, 2004, 11:34 AM
:eek: People are scary. It really is frightening how much weight sterotypes still carry in this supposedly "enlightened" time, and how powerful xenophobia really is. It can get pretty scary pretty fast- during World War II, my supposedly nice, peaceful, enlightened country tried to deport all the Japanese-Canadians back to Japan. Luckily they didn't achieve their full objective, but they did deport 5, 000 people, some of whose families had been in Canada for generations and who didn't even speak Japanese.

I don't mean to be paranoid, but it seems that if you're anything but white, male, Christian, and straight, there's always someone trying to ignore your rights, and whether you're part of a disadvantaged group or not, you have a duty to fight for the rights of anyone who's getting the shaft. It benefits us all, and I hope this particular group of xenophobes comes to their senses, not that I'm optimistic.

kabuki
Dec 18th, 2004, 11:49 AM
That article made me want to hurl. The US put all of its Japanese in camps and seized their lawful property, which was never returned. Notably, there were no camps for Italians or Germans.

I think the key is interaction. I would wager that most people that fear Muslims don't know any Muslims personally. If people actually got out and met each other, they would find that people are just people.

flyingmachine
Dec 18th, 2004, 11:59 AM
I think the key is interaction. I would wager that most people that fear Muslims don't know any Muslims personally. If people actually got out and met each other, they would find that people are just people.
I think this problem is not just in the US but also in Europe too when people is getting very anti-muslims since 9/11. I hope the American goverment are not restrict rights on American Muslims. That just makes the situation worse. :rolleyes:

buddyholly
Dec 18th, 2004, 12:47 PM
I don't mean to be paranoid, but it seems that if you're anything but white, male, Christian, and straight, there's always someone trying to ignore your rights, and whether you're part of a disadvantaged group or not, you have a duty to fight for the rights of anyone who's getting the shaft. It benefits us all, and I hope this particular group of xenophobes comes to their senses, not that I'm optimistic.

Is this world-wide, just Canada, or something else?

Infiniti2001
Dec 18th, 2004, 04:08 PM
That article made me want to hurl. The US put all of its Japanese in camps and seized their lawful property, which was never returned. Notably, there were no camps for Italians or Germans.

I think the key is interaction. I would wager that most people that fear Muslims don't know any Muslims personally. If people actually got out and met each other, they would find that people are just people.

I couldn't agree more . This article is based upon the mind set created by dubya and his administration among the common American public through media--- and I'm afraid it is not going to disappear easy or anytime soon.

Gosh, I know so many wonderful muslim families (Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis) here in SW Florida. They're hard working just like my family and everyone else -- the only differences I'm aware of are our sense of dressing, and the foods we eat.

geewhiz
Dec 18th, 2004, 04:43 PM
So which terrorist attacks have Muslim Americans been responsible for?

At a time when America needs the more moderate Muslim countries to stand with them and condemn the extremes of Islam that we are seeing around the world, if the US government adopted this policy it would send a terrible message to those countries: "We don't even trust our own Muslim citizens, so we certainly don't trust you" That's almost 1/3 of the world's countries that the USA would implicitly write off as untrustworthy, including several key allies, half of the African countries and almost all of the couuntries in the Middle East. Not to mention the 1 million or so Americans who would be expected to remain loyal to a country that openly distrusts them and treats them as second class citizens.

There needs to be more interaction and more knowledge of Muslim countries and what being a Muslim means to the vast majority of people all over the world, not just to a small group of terrorists who use Islam to justify their actions.

Rocketta
Dec 18th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Yeah, people are ridiculously gullable and they have bought this administrations hate-speak hook line and sinker.....and it kind of shows that the media isn't as liberal as some try to say because if they were they would spend more time not dealing in stereotypes and more in trying to show everyones story.

I have faith that it will change....nothing stays the same forever.:angel:

Jakeev
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:00 PM
It's absolutely un-American as far as I'm concerned to seek out to pick on one religion just because of what is going on in the world.

But one thing that I am disappointed with in the Muslim community, especially in the States, is that I never see anybody protesting or denouncing the violence we see in the name of Islam.

No marches denouncing terroism. No vocal denouncement. Nothing.

Now that to me is more disturbing....

Volcana
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. IT's about WHITE CHRISTIANS, if you're not a White AND a Christian, your rights will eventually be taken away. That's fact.Maybe that's true, but one thing I can say with confidence is that it's not only white Christians who favor limiting the rights of Muslims. I personally knows Jews who favor it, Blacks who favor it, and Chinese who favor it. I'd bet you could find Japanese-Americans who favor it, if you looked hard enough.

Bigotry is no respector of race or religion, and neither is fear. I know some quite liberal-minded people who, on Sept 12, 2001, were saying 'deport all the Arabs'.

Scotso
Dec 18th, 2004, 07:10 PM
That's quite pathetic.

I can't imagine a liberally-minded person wanting to deport Arabs? It's not American Muslims we need to worry about, and it's not Muslims in general we need to worry about.

God, if they start limiting the rights of Muslims, it's only going to spark more hate for this country.

buddyholly
Dec 18th, 2004, 10:19 PM
To restrict someone's right just because of their religion. Haven't they figured out yet, that not all Muslims are keen on destroying our world, and want us dead. Not all of them think that way, in fact dare I say it probably less than 5% actually consider it. This is completely absurd.

How would the bible thumpers of the southern US states like it if someone came and curbed their rights? I mean they're are more of them crazier than the crazy small percentage of people with Muslim beliefs

If you make a list of countries based on personal and religious freedoms then the US has to be near the top of the list. So why is nobody complaining about the 90%+ countries (at least) below them on the list? Not as much fun, is my guess.

tennislover
Dec 18th, 2004, 10:56 PM
civil rights are actually restricted in Muslim countries.......................

ics_seitan
Dec 18th, 2004, 10:58 PM
yet another reason for me to be embarrassed to be an American

kabuki
Dec 19th, 2004, 12:05 AM
I know some quite liberal-minded people who, on Sept 12, 2001, were saying 'deport all the Arabs'.

Who the hell do you hang out with?

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 19th, 2004, 01:29 AM
Maybe that's true, but one thing I can say with confidence is that it's not only white Christians who favor limiting the rights of Muslims. I personally knows Jews who favor it, Blacks who favor it, and Chinese who favor it. I'd bet you could find Japanese-Americans who favor it, if you looked hard enough.

Bigotry is no respector of race or religion, and neither is fear. I know some quite liberal-minded people who, on Sept 12, 2001, were saying 'deport all the Arabs'.
Although ashamed to admit it, I said "blow the Arabs the fuck off of the map" on September 11th at about 4 pm.

However, I was very very wrong and very very irrational. Thank God I was able to come to my senses and have a deeper understanding of what occured on September 11th.

Sadly, the president and quiet a few citizens still haven't after over 3 years.

PointBlank
Dec 19th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Land of the free my ass.

cheesestix
Dec 19th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Maybe that's true, but one thing I can say with confidence is that it's not only white Christians who favor limiting the rights of Muslims. I personally knows Jews who favor it, Blacks who favor it, and Chinese who favor it. I'd bet you could find Japanese-Americans who favor it, if you looked hard enough.

Bigotry is no respector of race or religion, and neither is fear. I know some quite liberal-minded people who, on Sept 12, 2001, were saying 'deport all the Arabs'.

I guess a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again! :lol: Good post!

Is Sam L a b!tch, or what? :rolleyes: Thanks for setting his ass straight!

cheesestix
Dec 19th, 2004, 05:18 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. IT's about WHITE CHRISTIANS, if you're not a White AND a Christian, your rights will eventually be taken away. That's fact.

Give it a rest! Geez! :rolleyes:

There you go generalizing again! :mad:

Idiot!

cheesestix
Dec 19th, 2004, 05:21 AM
If you make a list of countries based on personal and religious freedoms then the US has to be near the top of the list. So why is nobody complaining about the 90%+ countries (at least) below them on the list? Not as much fun, is my guess.

Good post! :worship:

cheesestix
Dec 19th, 2004, 05:23 AM
yet another reason for me to be embarrassed to be an American

Then maybe you should move, so then you won't have to be labeled "American"? :rolleyes:

Good riddance!

Oleh
Dec 19th, 2004, 06:37 AM
I personally dont agree at all with taking rights off people based on their religion, I know for sure what thats like-as do my family and all Jews are aware of that, we always have been.
Taking the rights off a muslim beacause members of his religion done something awful is not fair its not just its wrong.
I do understand the mentality though due to recent events.
I think they need to look at curbing whats being said rather than the people themselves. Wahabism is the greatest threat this world has ever faced next to those of the environment-and its gaining in popularity and has the blood on its hands of many Jews, Christians and any of us Heathens. From Nigeria to Indonesia-its not sayiong religous principals its saying kill kill kill. But thats in most cases not main stream Islam, well outside areas of the ME asnyway.

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2004, 04:46 AM
Wahabism is the greatest threat this world has ever faced next to those of the environment-and its gaining in popularity and has the blood on its hands of many Jews, Christians and any of us Heathens. From Nigeria to Indonesia-its not sayiong religous principals its saying kill kill kill. But thats in most cases not main stream Islam, well outside areas of the ME asnyway.I don't much care for curbing freedom of spreech, but I have to agree that what I know of Wahabism scares me. A lot.

pla
Dec 20th, 2004, 08:51 AM
If you make a list of countries based on personal and religious freedoms then the US has to be near the top of the list. So why is nobody complaining about the 90%+ countries (at least) below them on the list? Not as much fun, is my guess.

Those other countries doesn't proclaim themselves as "the free(est) country in the World", they do not bomb other sovereign countries because they have dictators on their head, they don't act arrogant in the UN Security Council etc. etc. etc...

Mariangelina
Dec 20th, 2004, 10:49 AM
Is this world-wide, just Canada, or something else?

That would be the world. :sad: And as somebody said above, there are people of all races who discriminate against Muslims. This applies to basically all kinds of prejudice- it's hardly just white Christian straight guys dishing it out, even though they don't have to take it much. You'd think that someone who's experienced prejudice themselves would know better than to inflict it on another, but it doesn't seem to work that way. :sad: I think it's like redirected aggression- person A bashes B, so B bashes C to release frustration. Of course, this keeps all the violence and resentment going and going. :sad: