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Rocketta
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:18 AM
Baby Cut Out of Murdered Mom Found Alive

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) - Police in Missouri believe they have found alive a baby girl who was cut out of her murdered mother's womb and removed from the scene of the crime and said two people were being questioned.

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The Nordaway County Sheriff's Department in Northwest Missouri said the baby was found on Friday in the neighboring state of Kansas, about 24 hours after the murder. Tests were being conducted to confirm the infant's identity.



The dead woman, Bobbi Stinnett, 23, was eight months pregnant. Her body was found by her mother at her home in the town of Skidmore on Thursday afternoon. The victim's husband was at work at the time and was not a suspect.



Investigators have not speculated on the motive. They said the baby was found apparently in good health but gave no other details. (Additional reporting by Mike Conlon in Chicago)

Rocketta
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:18 AM
What can I say but that there are some seriously sick people in this world.

sixfeetfree
Dec 18th, 2004, 07:14 AM
Signs of humanity deteriorating? Sign of the Apocolypse? What else are we capable of? I fear for our children and the tumultuous futures they have to look forward to if something isn't done now. Families need to be families again, people need to learn respect, and honor, and kindness again. I realize we're miles away from when I was a child but at least back then all we had to worry about was if I left my toys out in the rain, that and tornadoes. "Simpler times" are gone and we must deal with it, we have no choice. I didn't think I was a pessimist, but I can't see the world, or humanity in general, getting better before it gets worse, much worse... God help us...

Rocketta
Dec 18th, 2004, 05:09 PM
Yeah I don't know....when I was a young kid we could go out and play and roam the city without fear and now you can't let your kids play in the front yard unsupervised...sad...:tears:

Infiniti2001
Dec 18th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Have you ever heard of such a story in this country?? We don't know everything, but from all indication the woman involved recently miscarried and wanted a baby. I don't think this has anything to do with the state of humanity , but with the state of mind of a desperate individual sixfeetfree.

Jakeev
Dec 18th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Signs of humanity deteriorating? Sign of the Apocolypse? What else are we capable of? I fear for our children and the tumultuous futures they have to look forward to if something isn't done now. Families need to be families again, people need to learn respect, and honor, and kindness again. I realize we're miles away from when I was a child but at least back then all we had to worry about was if I left my toys out in the rain, that and tornadoes. "Simpler times" are gone and we must deal with it, we have no choice. I didn't think I was a pessimist, but I can't see the world, or humanity in general, getting better before it gets worse, much worse... God help us...
Granted this trend to killing mothers to steal babies still in the womb is absolutely one of the worst crime I can think of, it's hardly the sign of humanity deteriorating.

Violent crime has always been prevalant in the world for thousands of years, but you think it would be different in a more modern world and the fact is, the sick human mind is no better now than it was 2000-10,000 years ago.

Simpler times? There was never anything simple about humans interacting together and probably never will be.

*roddicksinme*
Dec 18th, 2004, 05:55 PM
fucking crazy people :scared:

Infiniti2001
Dec 18th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Tipster, computer helped find missing infant
FBI affidavit: Kansas woman confesses to killing baby's mother
Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 2:07 PM EST (1907 GMT)



Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, is shown in an undated photo.


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(CNN) -- Computer forensics and an anonymous tipster led police to an infant girl who was taken from her dead mother's womb -- and to the arrest of a suspect.

Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, confessed to strangling a pregnant woman -- Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23 -- in her Skidmore, Missouri, home and then cutting the baby from her womb, according to an FBI affidavit released Friday.

Montgomery had had a miscarriage at some point this year, authorities said.

The infant is reported in good condition at a Topeka, Kansas, hospital, and police said her father has seen her.

"The baby is doing great," U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said.

Authorities arrested Montgomery and charged her in the kidnapping of the child "resulting in the death of the infant's mother," the FBI affidavit said.

If convicted, Montgomery could face a maximum of life in prison or the death penalty, and a maximum $250,000 fine.

Stinnett was found dead in a pool of blood in her home Thursday afternoon by her mother, who called 911 saying it looked "as though her daughter's stomach had exploded," the affidavit said. Crime scene investigators later determined Stinnett's womb had been cut laterally, the baby removed and the umbilical cord cut, the affidavit said.

Family members expressed shock about the crime.

"I just can't understand why anybody would do a trick like that," said Romaine Henry, a relative of Stinnett's. "I just don't know why."

Neighbors said the events surrounding Stinnett's death seemed unreal. "This stuff doesn't happen," said an unidentified woman. "These are the really bad TV shows that you don't watch."

The Rev. Harold Hammond told The Des Moines (Iowa) Register: "Everyone's pretty well stunned by everything."

Hammond -- who presided over the victim's wedding -- is expected to lead Stinnett's funeral service, the paper's Web site reported. "The only one who can figure this one out is God. You can't explain it. You can't understand it. The funeral is going to be a tough one," he told the paper.

An anonymous tip from a caller in North Carolina helped lead police to Montgomery, affiliate KMBC in Kansas City, Missouri, reported Saturday. Also leading authorities to the arrest were clues found on Stinnett's computer, the station said.

The FBI affidavit paints a picture of deceit and premeditation on the part of Montgomery. It alleges that the woman, using a fictitious name, contacted Stinnett on Wednesday through a chat room about looking at dogs the pregnant woman sold on the Internet. The two agreed to meet Thursday at Stinnett's home, the affidavit said.

Montgomery's Internet computer name was "fisher for kids," authorities told KMBC.

On Thursday afternoon, a neighbor reported seeing a dirty, red pinkish, two-door vehicle -- most likely an import -- outside the Stinnett home.

With a search under way on the ground after the killing, computer investigators began talking with Internet providers and traced the e-mailer to Montgomery's home, more than 130 miles away.

Authorities immediately began surveillance of the home and saw Montgomery on Friday with a "newborn female infant," according to the affidavit. They also saw a vehicle matching the description of one seen outside Stinnett's house, the affidavit said.

It alleges the suspect's husband, Kevin, told authorities his wife called him shortly after he arrived home from work Thursday, around 5:15 p.m., saying she had gone shopping in Topeka, went into labor and had a baby.

The husband and the couple's two high-school age children drove to Topeka and met Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver's restaurant, according to the affidavit. He, his wife and the child drove home in his pickup, and the older children drove his wife's car, a red Toyota Corolla, the affidavit said.

Montgomery allegedly told her husband the baby was born at a women's clinic in Topeka, but authorities said a subsequent check revealed no children were born there Thursday.

Once in custody, the affidavit alleges, Montgomery "confessed to having strangled Stinnett and removing the fetus. Lisa Montgomery further admitted the baby she had was Stinnett's baby and that she had lied to her husband about giving birth to a child."

Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey said Montgomery was six months' pregnant when she miscarried earlier this year.

Of a possible motive in the case, Espey said, "I think she was probably going to take it because she had lost one through a miscarriage."

Authorities expressed relief that the child was recovered alive and attributed that success to the Amber Alert system. They said they learned of the Internet chat room where Montgomery allegedly made contact with Stinnett from the North Carolina tipster.

"We may have not ever recovered this little baby if the Amber Alert system was not put into place," Espey said.

Messages posted on Stinnett's Web site expressed condolences and thanks. "Thank God that the precious baby girl was found alive and well," said one message. "Bobbie will live on through her daughter."

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2004, 03:33 AM
hmm, thank god for that tipster who stayed alert and told what they knew. How on earth would a husband believe that his wife had a baby in a parking and doesn't need to go to a hospital? :confused:

flyingmachine
Dec 19th, 2004, 06:01 AM
:scared:

gentenaire
Dec 19th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Signs of humanity deteriorating? Sign of the Apocolypse? What else are we capable of? I fear for our children and the tumultuous futures they have to look forward to if something isn't done now. Families need to be families again, people need to learn respect, and honor, and kindness again. I realize we're miles away from when I was a child but at least back then all we had to worry about was if I left my toys out in the rain, that and tornadoes. "Simpler times" are gone and we must deal with it, we have no choice. I didn't think I was a pessimist, but I can't see the world, or humanity in general, getting better before it gets worse, much worse... God help us...

We haven't had a war in 60 years! We shouldn't be complaining. I've never had to fear for my life, never had to flee from my home....unlike my grandparents. Things could be much worse!

moby
Dec 19th, 2004, 10:12 AM
hmm, thank god for that tipster who stayed alert and told what they knew. How on earth would a husband believe that his wife had a baby in a parking and doesn't need to go to a hospital? :confused:actually the confusing part is that she had a miscarriage earlier in the year and her husband doesn't know about it?!? even if she didn't tell him, i would have thought that by the 6th month it would be pretty obvious she's pregnant... and if she lose the baby, then it's obvious too.

Rocketta
Dec 20th, 2004, 03:39 AM
actually the confusing part is that she had a miscarriage earlier in the year and her husband doesn't know about it?!? even if she didn't tell him, i would have thought that by the 6th month it would be pretty obvious she's pregnant... and if she lose the baby, then it's obvious too.
I know....I wonder what is his IQ? :unsure: :lol:

moby
Dec 20th, 2004, 04:23 AM
conclusion: i don't think the guy is as innocent as he would like us to think he is

sixfeetfree
Dec 20th, 2004, 09:34 AM
I don't think humanity gets worst, it's media coverage that gets more and more important. There's a fascination with horror stories, so medias jump on them when it happens.

If we compare to the past, our society is much more civilised and less violent. Watching news everyday give a false impression of a humanity deteriorating, which isn't the case in my opinion.



You are right Mr. Bagel, I agree that the media plays a key role in the sick stories that are piped in to our televisions, radios, and newspapers, not to mention online. We're all constantly bombarded by news that is heartbreaking and tragic. But I would have to respectfully disagree that today's society is less violent than in our past. I think today's society is a less kinder place than previously, say in the last century, 1900 to 2000. By comparison, who here leaves their doors unlocked to your homes or cars at night? I know I don't, anymore. The 90's were more violent than the 80's, the 80's more than the 70's and so on, with the exception of a few decades, i.e. the late 30's early to mid 40's. Society as a whole has become less tolerant and more aggressive. Would you agree that we have become sensitized to stories of tragedy and death because it is so constant? I would suggest that the media reports more and more stories as the years pass, and logic tells us that is because there are more of them to report. Moreso decade to decade versus year to year. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

sixfeetfree
Dec 20th, 2004, 09:39 AM
Have you ever heard of such a story in this country?? We don't know everything, but from all indication the woman involved recently miscarried and wanted a baby. I don't think this has anything to do with the state of humanity , but with the state of mind of a desperate individual sixfeetfree.

No Infiniti, I've never heard of such a story like this, nor could I fathom it. I wholeheartedly agree with you that this individual is desperate, desperately deranged. Again, I believe society as a whole is in decay. I would bet that if we chronologically graphed murders, rapes and stories such as this, the graph would show an increase over the last 100 years. Either way, this story is unbelievable.

sixfeetfree
Dec 20th, 2004, 09:55 AM
Granted this trend to killing mothers to steal babies still in the womb is absolutely one of the worst crime I can think of, it's hardly the sign of humanity deteriorating.

Violent crime has always been prevalant in the world for thousands of years, but you think it would be different in a more modern world and the fact is, the sick human mind is no better now than it was 2000-10,000 years ago.

Simpler times? There was never anything simple about humans interacting together and probably never will be.

No doubt at all, as long as man inhabits the earth, there will be violence. And I do agree that the human mind, as far as violence is concerned, is not much different than 2000-10,000 years ago. The difference lies in the fact that it is more prevelant in today's society, a society that is described as 'civilized', modern civilization as we know it. Obviously I'm not comparing today to the Roman times, or caveman days. Blame it on growing populations, blame it on our fast paced lifestyles, either way, we as a society are more violent, and in my opinion, I can't see that glass half full on this one. I hope you are right, and I hope I am wrong.

By the way, my opening questions in my original post were rhetorical in nature, albeit this one was somewhat literal, but I'm assuming everyone knows that. :)