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matthias
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:34 PM
i mean, specially in women tennis the girls are very young
so i think they have left the school very early
and so i asked myself "how smart are this players?"

and i donīt mean the match-intelligent
and not how fast they have learned to speak english and all this stuff.

when i hear some players they want to study after her tennis-career
then i would like to know if a university just take them because they have a famous name and have enough money, or would this university take them for her intelligent too?

and the other reason why i ask is, is some rudeness (off and oncourt) related to a lack of intelligent?

xr6turbo
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:38 PM
i mean, specially in women tennis the girls are very young
so i think they have left the school very early
and so i asked myself "how smart are this players?"

and i donīt mean the match-intelligent
and not how fast they have learned to speak english and all this stuff.

when i hear some players they want to study after her tennis-career
then i would like to know if a university just take them because they have a famous name and have enough money, or would this university take them for her intelligent too?

and they other reason why i ask is, is some rudeness (off and oncourt) related to a lack of intelligent?

Some players dont really have any formal education because they have been playing tennis all their lives. Some players though have been to school and college.

Venus and Serena both have been and still go to college. :)

!<blocparty>!
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:40 PM
Lindsay scored highly in her high school test thingy i read ages ago, there's like points or something over there :)

matthias
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:44 PM
okay Serena and Venus still on college
but Kim, Justine been very young too as they started her career?
did they finish a school?
and what about the russians?
and Mauresmo?

or was her goal just too make enough money and then they donīt need a good education?

PointBlank
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:46 PM
Tamerine went to a good USA college..Harvard,Yale,Princeton something like that..Granville started at Stanford but left to turn pro...Marissa graduated from Stanford

xr6turbo
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:48 PM
I dunno, i think it's pretty silly not to continue your education when you are growing up. Tennis doesnt last forever and what do the players do when their careers are over?

I remember Serena once making a comment about Hingis not having a formal education.. :tape:

matthias
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:52 PM
I dunno, i think it's pretty silly not to continue your education when you are growing up. Tennis doesnt last forever and what do the players do when their careers are over?

I remeber Serena once making a comment about Hingis not having a formal education.. :tape:

i think too it is silly not to continue education
so many think can happen, and when you never reach the level where you can earn enough money you will have a bad life after tennis-career

Brαm
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:13 PM
Justine is definitely intelligent. I read that she studied Latin, which means she was in a ASO school, the highest grade possible :yeah:

propi
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:22 PM
They can always get the Uni degree once they've completed their tennis life and they take advantage of the contacts they did during the tour years. Lots of football players do so.
Anyways having a degree or going to Uni doesn't mean they're intelligent and the other way round.
Finally there're different types of intelligence; you can "score" high in one but be crap at other 3:o
This is a complicated thread to answer :p

Spunky83
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:22 PM
okay Serena and Venus still on college
but Kim, Justine been very young too as they started her career?
did they finish a school?
and what about the russians?
and Mauresmo?

or was her goal just too make enough money and then they donīt need a good education?

I think Justine didnīt finish school, but she was quite good at it. If she hadnīt became a tennis player, sheīd like to be a journalist.

Russians? Myskina is a student at some college in Moscow, studying to be some kind of sports-coach though she doesnīt want to become a coach at all...Sharapova always does her school work on tour via Internet. The eurosport commentators said they always see her in front of the computers in the playersī lounges studying. Dementieva went to a french school or something like that (international school?).

Spunky83
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:24 PM
Justine is definitely intelligent. I read that she studied Latin, which means she was in a ASO school, the highest grade possible :yeah:

I am sooo glad that you actually say that people who have studied Latin are intelligent...you make my day!!! ;) :lol:

matthias
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:44 PM
I am sooo glad that you actually say that people who have studied Latin are intelligent...you make my day!!! ;) :lol:i would call them crazy ;)

matthias
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:49 PM
Finally there're different types of intelligence; you can "score" high in one but be crap at other 3:o
This is a complicated thread to answer :p
i know what you mean
but maybe is a lack of intelligence the reason why some players are "crap" (like you called it)
because they know they donīt have another chance in her life

j_dementieva27
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:51 PM
dementieva def. went to some sort of post-high school kind of school in russia... she speaks at least 4 languages fluently and was to continue studyind language... her whole family are doctors and she often said that she too would be on eif she was not a tennis player

propi
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:52 PM
i know what you mean
but maybe is a lack of intelligence the reason why some players are "crap" (like you called it)
because they know they donīt have another chance in her life
Well it obviously shows that I could improve a lot my expresion in English :p

Caz
Nov 20th, 2004, 05:03 PM
They can always get the Uni degree once they've completed their tennis life and they take advantage of the contacts they did during the tour years. Lots of football players do so.
Anyways having a degree or going to Uni doesn't mean they're intelligent and the other way round.
Finally there're different types of intelligence; you can "score" high in one but be crap at other 3:o
This is a complicated thread to answer :pYeah, I agree, I think players should finish school, but uni. isn't important while they're playing, they can always go back and do that later.

Now, I've finished being serious, the title of this thread reminds me of watching Vivi trying to open the fridge and take out a bottle of water at Wimbledon this year ... after several attempts, she had to ask a ball boy to come and get it for her!! rotfl! :lol: Don't know if something was wrong with the fridge, but it was certainly amusing to watch! :p ;)

Allez-H
Nov 20th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Justine is definitely intelligent. I read that she studied Latin, which means she was in a ASO school, the highest grade possible :yeah:
Yup,she studied Latin-Greek and always had the best notes eventhough she had other stuff on her mind than just school.She wasn't happy with a B+,always wanted to have the best grade.Unfortunatly she didn't finish school because tennis took a huge shunk of her time and life.She says that if she hadn't becomea tennisplayer,she probably would've became a journo or a lawyer.You can see when she gives french interviews that she's a very articulate and smart young lady.

TFan1156
Nov 20th, 2004, 05:28 PM
Hantuchova was first in her high school class even though she was away half the time playing tennis. She speaks 6 languages, is a pianist, and is interested in ancient cultures.

Formal education is not necessary to become educated, only a propensity to read and learn. It is though a big advantage to be able to emerse oneself in learning for several years at a university. However, many of these, unfortunately, do not learn much at all, are there only for the diploma so they can get a job.

PointBlank
Nov 20th, 2004, 05:33 PM
dementieva def. went to some sort of post-high school kind of school in russia... she speaks at least 4 languages fluently and was to continue studyind language... her whole family are doctors and she often said that she too would be on eif she was not a tennis player
What is the fourth language? I know English,French,and of course Russian..I cant think of the other one

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Formal education is not necessary to become educated, only a propensity to read and learn. It is though a big advantage to be able to emerse oneself in learning for several years at a university. However, many of these, unfortunately, do not learn much at all, are there only for the diploma so they can get a job.
i agree.
also, thx, i didn't know all that about daniela

WorldWar24
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:22 PM
Being smart has nothing to do with going to college. Many players can have an IQ of 160 but most just dropped out of high school before graduating, so they never really had a chance to finish their studies

And it's not like they're wasting their IQ, they don't have to do college after retirement so that they can be considered smart. Besides, intelligence does not only have to do with books, intelligence affects everything you do, including sports like tennis, not just tactics but everything that comes with learning the game when they were kids, so I'm sure most of today's top players have an IQ above the average :)

j_dementieva27
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:34 PM
What is the fourth language? I know English,French,and of course Russian..I cant think of the other one

i believe i read somewhere that she also speaks german

SJW
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:39 PM
of the top players, i think Venus Serena and Elena Dementieva are the most intelligent.

PointBlank
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:48 PM
of the top players, i think Venus Serena and Elena Dementieva are the most intelligent.
Tamarine graduated from Law school :shrug:

tennislover
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:48 PM
I teach humanities and I have to say that ancient Greek and Latin are really wonderful subjects..........
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Spunky83
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:49 PM
i would call them crazy ;)

Jetzt mal nicht frech werden! :lol:

SJW
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Tamarine graduated from Law school :shrug:

um ok.

but what does that have to do with out of the top players? :confused:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:54 PM
I think there's a big difference between smart and being educated. Many of the girls on tour are not "educated." Davenport, Rubin, V&S, Tanasugarn, Raymond, Craybas, Granville, the Uberoi sisters and Irvin are the only players I know who either graduated high school (a legitimate one, not like an online school or getting a high school diploma by having tutors around 24/7) or graduaetd high school and had some form of college education. Craybas and Tanasugarn are the only players on tour with college degrees.

That being said, not all tennis players are dumbasses. Roger Federer is clearly an intelligent man despite having a lack of formal education. The same goes for Andre Agassi. Ditto with Martina Hingis. Ditto with Martina Navratilova, who doesn't even have a high school diploma.

Martian Willow
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:55 PM
I think Martina Hingis was the most intelligent player. :)

Martian Willow
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Dementieva and Myskina are also fairly intelligent. Capriati and Serena are not so intelligent. :)

jcaprulez
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:01 PM
High school exams are dumbed down alot these days. They don't prove anything. I'm pretty sure Masha's not doing rocket science on her computer, probably her times tables.

GoDominique
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Dominique Monami has an IQ of 162. :)

jcaprulez
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:08 PM
I have an IQ of 92 which is below average. I got all B's in my high school exams.

croat123
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:10 PM
some1 said that venus is not too bright
she's in college. i have mad respect for any professional tennis player that is in college

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:14 PM
its been said that monica was not so smart
and who was that?
personally, i think she's a pretty bright gal to be able to organize her travels around the world through her second (or third) language because her parents spoke no english at all. she admitted she had extreme difficulty in her subjects at the academy because of the language barrier, except math, and i would expect nothing less from a hungarian ;)

jcaprulez
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:16 PM
In college doing what? In Ireland, people leave school to go to college because they're too dumb to cope with the final year at school. Here, college is like school but with less academic subjects. Academic people go to university. Do you seriously think going to college makes you intelligent. To me it just means you're talented at a certain thing, that isn't an academic subject. It doesn't prove that you're smart, it proves you have a talent.

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2004, 08:42 PM
in the states, people often use the terms college and university interchangeably. the usa has a lot of great colleges that are ranked higher than universities; a university just has graduate programs along with the 4 year undergraduate programs. junior college (which is what i think you're talking about) is a 2 year school in which you receive an associate degree in a subject.

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2004, 09:04 PM
look were talking about some1 who carried a dog in a bag
european?
people do that now all the time... it's quite chic.

brunof
Nov 20th, 2004, 09:15 PM
As long as we are on the whole education subject, do top collegiate players have to be super smart, and really good at tennis? I'm guessing many of the top colleges (Stanford, Flordia, UCLA, etc) scout out many of the girls throughout high school, and chose them accordingly. Are these players invited to play at such highly regarded colleges and universities based on their playing ability, or both?

Also, Asagoe graduated from High School in Japan (won the inter-high school championships too) and then attended Sonoda University before turning pro. It may have been mentioned, and I'm sure many know that Anne Kremer went to Stanford for a year or two also.

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2004, 09:16 PM
so you would not mind at all being carried around europe in a bag?
i'm not a dog...
maybe you know what it feels like to be one and speak from experience...

Gallofa
Nov 20th, 2004, 09:46 PM
There is probably a mix of intelligent and not so intelligent people on tour... what most of the top players look to be is very naive, the things they say show that they lead very protected lives, that they have a lack of knowledge or interest over common issues. This naivete might sometimes make them look not too intelligent or even as you say, matthias, a tad rude, but I think is lack of exposure to a common life more than anything.

CooCooCachoo
Nov 20th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Out of athletes, tennis players definitely rank as the more intelligent ones.

Calimero377
Nov 20th, 2004, 11:00 PM
I dunno, i think it's pretty silly not to continue your education when you are growing up. Tennis doesnt last forever and what do the players do when their careers are over?

I remember Serena once making a comment about Hingis not having a formal education.. :tape:



Graf had no great formal education either.
But she read Milan Kundera, Herrmann Hesse; I'm sure she knows who Don DeLillo and Philip Roth are. She loved and still loves to go to famous galleries and museums.

Ever heard anything in this department of the Williams sisters?
I don't think them to be especially bright bulbs ....

Calimero377
Nov 20th, 2004, 11:04 PM
of the top players, i think Venus Serena and Elena Dementieva are the most intelligent.


Venus and Serena!
That was a good one ...

Calimero377
Nov 20th, 2004, 11:06 PM
I think Martina Hingis was the most intelligent player. :)


... which was plain to see for everybody in her most famous match ever ...

firefly_ac
Nov 20th, 2004, 11:38 PM
Daniela knows three languages.. German Slovak and Eng... plus she plays the piano..Mum's a toxicologist..and Dad's an engineer i think..

WorldWar24
Nov 20th, 2004, 11:45 PM
Daniela knows three languages.. German Slovak and Eng... plus she plays the piano..Mum's a toxicologist..and Dad's an engineer i think..

I'm sure she speaks czech as well. Every slovak does :)

ladyleo
Nov 21st, 2004, 12:06 AM
has any one heard of good ole common sense? it can take a person a long way,schooling or not

Ekkekko
Nov 21st, 2004, 01:39 AM
Whether one goes to college/uni or not, it doesn't really tell you how smart that person is. Intelligence are categorized in various forms. We have to look at other attributes namely, logical reasoning, math skills, verbal, social and emotional intelligence. When someone's rude, as supposed by the thread starter that the latest rude spat between rival players, do not mean that the players lack intelligence. Besides, it was rather unclear as to which intelligence were you insinuating about in here.

vogus
Nov 21st, 2004, 04:34 AM
Being stupid and lacking an education are not the same thing. But unfortunately, many tennis players fall into both those categories.

Of course some players are smarter than others. Lena Dementieva is very smart.

irma
Nov 21st, 2004, 05:05 AM
I guess when you do an iq test for a players you will get the score 100 as average with a variable of 15 below and 15 above

it might be a shock but tennisplayers are just like us, human being wise. some are smart, some are not so smart and most are average. definitely on messageboards most people claim to be high gifted but that are no tennisplayers so I put them in the line of the normal human beings unless that I have prove otherwise :lol:

AimeeLizAni
Nov 21st, 2004, 05:20 AM
Out of athletes, tennis players definitely rank as the more intelligent ones.


As opposed to football and basketball players where most of them actually start out as college players before they turn pro? :confused:

theklein
Nov 21st, 2004, 06:58 AM
Most are intelligent i think

Pamela Shriver
Nov 21st, 2004, 08:15 AM
I'm a genius. I once beat Martina in a game of snap.

pigam
Nov 21st, 2004, 09:16 AM
My theory is the following (might be totally 'off' here)

If you have no intelligence (this has nothing to do with education)
you are not going to make it as a top-top-top player.
I don't think any of the top 20ers is really 'stupid', besides...
I completely understand it is impossible to finish your school ('formal
education') when you want to plan a tenniscarreer.
In Belgium you have 7 hours of classes every day, that's simply impossible
to follow, when you want to become a pro!!
But this has nothing to do with intelligence.

Who is intelligent in my opinion?
for example:

Serena: she always has very witty remarks towards journalists,... she knows a lot
about a lot. She's "intelligent". Not that she has the highest IQ, but she's "bright"
(difficult to explain)

Justine: When you hear her in French, she sounds really well thought and let's be honest, altho her pronounciation of the English language might be poor. Read her interveiws, some English speaking players can learn from her. The fact she is now learning dutch as a 3 language proves to me that she wants to 'use her brain'...

Kim: I never have the impression she's dumb, on the contrary. She seems like
an independent person who makes good choices, is greatwith children (which -might
sound funny- requires intelligence too! The smartest people how those who can
'lower' themselves to a child's level, who don't need to use difficult words

Elena: Her French is simply :eek:. Her eyes just say 'I' ve understood everything
you say and much more'. She comes across as very sensible and willing to learn in her
interviews

...


===> Really, I can think of reasons to find every topplayer intelligent.
I think if you don't have intelligence to a certain level. More like maybe
"common sense" and "willingness to learn", you won't make the top and you'll
certainly not stay there!

CooCooCachoo
Nov 21st, 2004, 09:17 AM
As opposed to football and basketball players where most of them actually start out as college players before they turn pro? :confused:

Yes, definitely. Most of them actually get in because they are good in sports, not because of their intelligence.

Bumsby
Nov 21st, 2004, 10:58 AM
Amelie quit school at 16, one year before winning Roland Garros (juniors), in order to concentrate on tennis. She was very good but she didn't even finish high school because of tennis.
A psychologist whom she worked with about 4 years ago once said in an interview that she was too intelligent for the world of sport...

fifiricci
Nov 21st, 2004, 03:32 PM
Kim says: "Most tennis players brains are about this big!"


http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/14462264.jpg

sense
Nov 22nd, 2004, 05:21 AM
Kim says: "Most tennis players brains are about this big!"


http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/14462264.jpg


Didn't Kim drop out of school to go full time into her
tennis career?

matthias
Nov 22nd, 2004, 08:57 AM
i think kim is just showing the reason why she split with Lleyton, matter (lack) of size

fifiricci
Nov 22nd, 2004, 12:26 PM
i think kim is just showing the reason why she split with Lleyton, matter (lack) of size
That's not what I heard. He is rumoured to be extra large in the "pants" department. :o

TonyP
Nov 22nd, 2004, 03:39 PM
Unless a player has actually attended and graduated from college, it is virtually useless to speculate about their intelligence, based upon their formal eduction. Having taught on the college level in America, I can say that large number of American students who graduate from high school know almost nothing. Social promotions are the norm in America today. IN fact, having had the chance to work with young college graduates through internship programs, I have to say that many of them know almost nothing. College has become little more than glorified trade school in many instances.

I believe European education systems, as well as the systerm in HOng Kong, Japan and a few other countries, far exceeds the American system, but take heart. The American system will not doubt win out in the end, bringing everyone standards down to its level.

But again, none of this has anything to do in reality with intelligence. Kids these days are no less intelligent than in years past, they just have a far inferior education.

Tichi
Nov 22nd, 2004, 03:47 PM
In Belgium you cannot just drop out of school whenever you want. You are obliged to make your exams till the day that you turn eighteen. She might have had the possibility to do her assignments via the internet. I do know that she quit school the day that she turned eighteen. (around her 1st GS-final)

Helen Lawson
Nov 22nd, 2004, 03:49 PM
Most movie stars are total morons. I know, because I know movie stars, being one of them myself. I graduated from Eramus High School on Brooklyn at age 16, so I'm one of the smarter ones, but most are really dumb.

Tichi
Nov 22nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
Daniela knows three languages.. German Slovak and Eng... plus she plays the piano..Mum's a toxicologist..and Dad's an engineer i think..

Does that mean a lot? Just like for instance Belgium, the slovaks also live in a very small country and they simply have to know more than one language.
I speak five languages, three of them fluently; but does that make me an intelligent person? A lot of other belgians speak 2 or 3 languages, but they aren't all that smart.. ;)

manu32
Nov 22nd, 2004, 04:33 PM
french players speak french...

MinnyGophers
Nov 22nd, 2004, 05:05 PM
french players speak french...

last time i checked, France hasn't invaded Belgium (yet), and certainly not Russia.

manu32
Nov 22nd, 2004, 05:09 PM
and only french i want to say......russian speak english,no problem

spindoctor
Nov 22nd, 2004, 05:29 PM
french players speak french...

Oh really? How surprising? :lol:
Many of the french players have a fluency in English. However the same thing can't be said about the rest of French people :rolleyes: although things are getting better.

Jaime Bahena
Nov 22nd, 2004, 08:57 PM
I have an IQ of 92 which is below average. I got all B's in my high school exams.

IQ tests are invalid. There are many types of "intelligence." I can be a "tennis genius," yet be an "engineering moron" and not be able to use a key to open my car door.

New
Nov 22nd, 2004, 09:13 PM
Unless a player has actually attended and graduated from college, it is virtually useless to speculate about their intelligence, based upon their formal eduction. Having taught on the college level in America, I can say that large number of American students who graduate from high school know almost nothing. Social promotions are the norm in America today. IN fact, having had the chance to work with young college graduates through internship programs, I have to say that many of them know almost nothing. College has become little more than glorified trade school in many instances.

I believe European education systems, as well as the systerm in HOng Kong, Japan and a few other countries, far exceeds the American system, but take heart. The American system will not doubt win out in the end, bringing everyone standards down to its level.

But again, none of this has anything to do in reality with intelligence. Kids these days are no less intelligent than in years past, they just have a far inferior education.

I'm sorry but I'm getting confused... Cos the education system seems different from my country and the rest... :confused:

What is the age group of high school students?

Yes, I agree with the fact that intelligence has nothing to do with the degree that is earned... a minimum is required to fulfill and earn a degree.. most of the time most students do that minimum...

besides intelligence is subjective... being witty and being quick minded could be a form of intelligence... being able to solve puzzles quickly is also seen as a sort of intelligence..

it's all a matter of what we're good at... as a Chemistry major in a university, I'm not bad at History as well, but I'm hopeless in Physics and some areas of Maths.. So am I smart because I'm a University student or stupid cos I can't do physics modules?

beauty_is_pink
Nov 22nd, 2004, 09:15 PM
hmm.. Daniela in high school, took physics, chem, biology, math and all that. She always had top marks and was one of the tops in her class/school.

plus she knos how to speak 3 languages fluently: Slovak, English, German, and plus, she is learning Italian.

what a smartie.

oddkayla
Nov 23rd, 2004, 05:57 AM
Actually a few years ago, Jon W from CNNSi did a piece on female tennis players, and he and some other people mentioned a few names, and the ones I can remember are Martina Hingis, Venus Williams, Elena Dementieva, Lindsay Davenport. I cant remember the others but he was full of praise, particularly about Martina and Venus.

He also said that on average, female tennis were smarter than all the other athletes, paricularly ball players.

Rohin.
Nov 23rd, 2004, 07:21 AM
hmm.. Daniela in high school, took physics, chem, biology, math and all that. She always had top marks and was one of the tops in her class/school.

plus she knos how to speak 3 languages fluently: Slovak, English, German, and plus, she is learning Italian.

what a smartie.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

all true..

jun_maria
Nov 23rd, 2004, 07:36 AM
Kim says: "Most tennis players brains are about this big!"


http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/14462264.jpg

thats so funny ..... :lol:

:cat:

jun_maria
Nov 23rd, 2004, 07:41 AM
Maria sharapova did speak english just in 1 months ..... she is damn smart ... :worship:

:cat:

irishgirl
Nov 23rd, 2004, 10:49 AM
Jcaprulez-"In Ireland, people leave school to go to college because they're too dumb to cope with the final year at school."please explain!?! That is absolute bullsh*t! We have an excellent education system in Ireland. To qualify for University or college students in school must obtain a high number of points in a very competitive system. Even those going on to do plcs, certs and diplomas need to do very well in their final year at school! Also yes Serena and Venus are going to college and they're doing what exactly? furniture and fashion design?!

Ihaveahugepenis
Nov 23rd, 2004, 11:06 AM
I once heard Venus Williams would have become a lawyer had she not taken up tennis. So she must be very intelligent.
Serena, from what I heard, would have chosen to be a politician. She seems quite into politics anyways.
Amy Frazier (still) wants to become a math teacher after she's done with tennis.

bis2806
Nov 23rd, 2004, 11:17 AM
I read somewhere that Lindsay got offered a place at Stanford, but she rejected it so she can focus on her tennis career..