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anton
Nov 17th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Against Lindsay Davenport:

VW FH Winners..........18
VW FH Errors.............24

LD FH Winners............8
LD FH Errors...............8


I was sick recently so I had some time to watch the match again:D

Anyway Venus was being aggressive but made too many errors or I think she would have won. This is good news for 2005. Also she is not losing to noname players anymore lately...

The fact that Venus hit so many forehand winners should prove she can hit a good forehand but she just needs to control her errors.

2005=Venus' year!:wavey:

LucasArg
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:37 AM
Yes you re right, but it s not only her forehand errors. I just hope she can play as fast as she used to, and gain more free points with serve.

C'mon Vee! :kiss: :wavey:

Chunchun
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:10 AM
Good luck Venus in 05 :yeah: :yippee:

DemWilliamsGulls
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:13 AM
I miss the old Venus....she had to be the greatest Tennis player I've seen with Serena being a close #2 ....she was just unbelievable man....you couldn't get ANYTHING past that child. I use to love it when she would obliverate balls midair! I hope we see that Venus AND Serena in 2005!

jean_genie
Nov 17th, 2004, 02:28 PM
:wavey: Anton :)

Here's to a great 2005 for Venus!

anton
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:04 AM
Yes you re right, but it s not only her forehand errors. I just hope she can play as fast as she used to, and gain more free points with serve.

C'mon Vee! :kiss: :wavey:
There werent any problems with her serve against Lin C. Venus was hitting 120s like a piece of cake. Lin C was forced to try to lob back Venus' serves.

It was a few FH errors which gave Lin C the match...

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:06 AM
There werent any problems with her serve against Lin C. Venus was hitting 120s like a piece of cake. Lin C was forced to try to lob back Venus' serves.

It was a few FH errors which gave Lin C the match...
That was one of Venus' best matches all year. Lindsay was simply too good. That match was not a story of errors.

anton
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:07 AM
:wavey: Anton :)

Here's to a great 2005 for Venus!
Right! GO VENUS!!:wavey:


This is my 2005 Top 5 Rankings:

1-Venus Williams:D
2-Serena Williams:cool:
3-Lindsay Davenport:mad:
4-Amelie Mauresmo:(
5-Maria Sharapova:lol:

I think Justine and Kim may retire. Justine's mystery illness I think may force her out but Kim has herself to blame for playing 30 tournaments a year which is just crazy.

anton
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:09 AM
That was one of Venus' best matches all year. Lindsay was simply too good. That match was not a story of errors.
Yes it was. I watched the whole match over a few days ago.

Did you look at Venus' stats at the top??

Venus also "broke" herself when she was serving.
Venus would hit 120mph serve then make an error or hit a winner.
Lin C was just blocking back the serves and hoping for the best.:rolleyes:

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:10 AM
Yes it was. I watched the whole match over a few days ago.

Did you look at Venus' stats at the top??

Venus also "broke" herself when she was serving.
Venus would hit 120mph serve then make an error or hit a winner.
Lin C was just blocking back the serves and hoping for the best.:rolleyes:
I've watched the match many times, and Venus' play was not poor at all.

That ratio on the FH is not bad at all for Venus.

I guess that if I just hit less FH errors, had more winners, and had better placement on my serve, I'd be #1.

anton
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:14 AM
I've watched the match many times, and Venus' play was not poor at all.

That ratio on the FH is not bad at all for Venus.

I guess that if I just hit less FH errors, had more winners, and had better placement on my serve, I'd be #1.

Venus did not play her best. It was obvious as I said before.
Venus would hit a 120 serve and Lin C would lob it back and Venus would hit a winner or error. That is not Venus' best tennis.

Venus was right for not trying to "keep the ball in play." Venus has to go for winners against a monster power hitter like Lin C but Venus must be more consistent.

Case in point the final game. Venus had about 7 or 8 breakpoints but Venus gave that game to Lin C with some crucial errors.

Lin C doublefaulted 3 or 4 times. She was falling apart but Venus did not play well enough to capitalize on Lin C's mental breakdown...

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:18 AM
Venus did not play her best. It was obvious as I said before.
Venus would hit a 120 serve and Lin C would lob it back and Venus would hit a winner or error. That is not Venus' best tennis.

Venus was right for not trying to "keep the ball in play." Venus has to go for winners against a monster power hitter like Lin C but Venus must be more consistent.

Case in point the final game. Venus had about 7 or 8 breakpoints but Venus gave that game to Lin C with some crucial errors.

Lin C doublefaulted 3 or 4 times. She was falling apart but Venus did not play well enough to capitalize on Lin C's mental breakdown...
Her BH was fine for the match, and a -6 ratio on the FH is not bad at all for Venus. She played very well. Lindsay played better. And Lindsay didn't just "lob the ball back". Venus' serve had power, but Lindsay can return power. Venus' serve was very good, but Lindsay's returns were the reason she was broken, not "lob" service returns.

anton
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:37 AM
let me know when you take off your rose colored glasses then we can talk :rolleyes:

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:43 AM
let me know when you take off your rose colored glasses then we can talk :rolleyes:
Let me know when you can come up with better insults. Thanks.

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Wait, I should be crediting LTMN forums. Oops.

faboozadoo15
Nov 18th, 2004, 04:05 AM
Wait, I should be crediting LTMN forums. Oops.
:tape:
:haha:
i was AT the match, and neither played badly. lindsay certainly wasn't blocking the ball back and hoping for the best :rolleyes: that's just bullshit.
she took it to venus, and they were about even until lindsay asserted her superior mental craftmanship about the court and won nearly every crucial point in the match.

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 09:59 PM
:tape:
:haha:
i was AT the match, and neither played badly. lindsay certainly wasn't blocking the ball back and hoping for the best :rolleyes: that's just bullshit.
she took it to venus, and they were about even until lindsay asserted her superior mental craftmanship about the court and won nearly every crucial point in the match. Exactly. Both played well, it was jsut a matter of who played even better.

Knizzle
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:28 PM
That was one of Venus' best matches all year. Lindsay was simply too good. That match was not a story of errors.
LD herself said she won by virtue of errors. Hmmm.....who's word should I take, Lindsay's or Andrew's?? Tough choice, but LD was there so I'd have to go with her. ;)

GoDominique
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:39 PM
Venus' problems go beyond her forehand by now.

heartBREAKeRS
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:42 PM
I miss the old Venus....she had to be the greatest Tennis player I've seen with Serena being a close #2 ....she was just unbelievable man....you couldn't get ANYTHING past that child. I use to love it when she would obliverate balls midair! I hope we see that Venus AND Serena in 2005!

yes i agree with you... i :worship:

LindsayRocks89
Nov 18th, 2004, 11:19 PM
LD herself said she won by virtue of errors. Hmmm.....who's word should I take, Lindsay's or Andrew's?? Tough choice, but LD was there so I'd have to go with her. ;)

:lol:

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM
LD herself said she won by virtue of errors. Hmmm.....who's word should I take, Lindsay's or Andrew's?? Tough choice, but LD was there so I'd have to go with her. ;) That's how everyone beats Venus. She makes errors. That's her game. But to just say that Lindsay "lobbed returnes back" and that she did nothing to win the match is completely false.

Andrew.
Nov 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM
:lol: I found a forum for you.

http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Jaime Bahena
Nov 18th, 2004, 11:53 PM
Despite the term "unforced error," there is such a thing as "forced errors." Those of us who have played tennis know that the velocity and spin on the ball can force players to make mistakes. I believe that power players have high error rates due to their inability to "get a bead" on their shots, and miscalculate at the last millisecond. Subsequently, the ball goes long or ends up at the bottom of the net.

Knizzle
Nov 19th, 2004, 12:10 AM
I found a forum for you.

http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23
One for you.

http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=333

Andrew.
Nov 19th, 2004, 12:14 AM
One for you.

http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=333 You missed the sarcasm.

LindsayRocks89
Nov 19th, 2004, 12:26 AM
whats wrong with like Venus or Serena??

faste5683
Nov 19th, 2004, 01:48 AM
There werent any problems with her serve against Lin C. Venus was hitting 120s like a piece of cake. Lin C was forced to try to lob back Venus' serves.

It was a few FH errors which gave Lin C the match...

What's the use of a 120 mph. serve if your opponent can consistently "lob", drop-shot, moonball or punt it back? A 70 mph. serve down the "T" when your opponent is leaning out wide is more effective and easier on the bod.

:wavey:

anton
Nov 22nd, 2004, 04:53 AM
Venus' serve was helping most of the time. Lin C's "lobs" would set up Venus' next shot.
But Venus just missed 3 or 4 too many FHs or she would have won something like 6-0, 6-2.

Andrew. get over yourself:rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Nov 22nd, 2004, 05:12 AM
Venus' serve was helping most of the time. Lin C's "lobs" would set up Venus' next shot.
But Venus just missed 3 or 4 too many FHs or she would have won something like 6-0, 6-2.

Andrew. get over yourself:rolleyes:
the fact that you just posted that if venus had made just 3 or 4 more forehands she would have won 6-0 6-2 and then told someone else to get over themself :retard:

maybe three or 4 more forehands PER GAME :tape:

skanky~skanketta
Nov 22nd, 2004, 07:12 AM
anton is just bitter, petulant little child.

anton
Nov 23rd, 2004, 01:51 AM
the fact that you just posted that if venus had made just 3 or 4 more forehands she would have won 6-0 6-2 and then told someone else to get over themself :retard:

maybe three or 4 more forehands PER GAME :tape:
:cool: :rolleyes:

anton
Nov 23rd, 2004, 01:51 AM
:rolleyes: :lol: anton is just bitter, petulant little child.

faboozadoo15
Nov 23rd, 2004, 02:48 AM
:cool: :rolleyes:
go ahead roll your eyes. we all know that 3 or 4 forehands would have only given venus another game... so she would have lost a 7-5 set instead of a 6-4...

anton
Nov 23rd, 2004, 03:07 AM
the stats speak for themselves.

Tracy Austin and Mary Carrilo, etc love to say Venus cant hit a forehand.
If that is true then how did she hit 18 FH winners.
The 24 FH errors did VEnus in. Lin C did not do anything special.

Like Serena said, Venus shot herself in the foot.

faboozadoo15
Nov 23rd, 2004, 03:25 AM
the stats speak for themselves.

Tracy Austin and Mary Carrilo, etc love to say Venus cant hit a forehand.
If that is true then how did she hit 18 FH winners.
The 24 FH errors did VEnus in. Lin C did not do anything special.

u want to have it both ways...
u want to say she has a good forehand but then u want to use it as a weakness everytime she loses...

anton
Nov 23rd, 2004, 05:38 AM
I dont post on this board "everytime she loses." We're talking about one match.

And Venus' forehand is like Steffi's backhand. If it holds up ok she wins a lot of matches.