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mr_zebra
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:21 PM
Can you picture ANY other player on the WTA that would do this?

I'm neutral on Sharapova, but did anyone else find it horrifically unsportsmanlike to cheer out loud (for yourself) when a hobbled Serena double faulted?
I would think most players would just internally say to THEMSELF (oh hell yea that bitch double faulted !) then move to the other side of the court.

I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

Is it her immaturity (age-wise)? There's no top 50 player that i can think of that would vocalize a cheer for a crippled opponents double fault.

bandabou
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:24 PM
Tjaaa.....what can one say?

Drimal
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Amelie Mauresmo or Anne Kremer would never be so unfair. ;)


It is not fair what Sharapova did. It's egoistic. :o

Sharapower
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:30 PM
If I were a top tennis player, playing a final worth $ 1 000 000 and my opponents gets the momentum then I would :

1) fake an injury and ask for the trainer, preferably just at the moment when my opponent is about to serve an important point or game,
2) pump my fists on every single point won and yell "come on" the loudest I can if my opponent double-faults,
3) argue with the umpire whenever a ball bouncing in a zone of 2 inches around the line is not called in my favor,
4) grunt like a pig,
5) change my racquet before my opponent is about to serve on a break-point.

If all of this is not enough and I still lose the match, then I would remind in all my press conferences for the two next years that I couldn't even play at 50% of my abilities on that day. Maybe I would even invent that someone kidnapped me and that the person on court was just a doppelganger.

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

WorldWar24
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:38 PM
I think it WOULD BE disgusting on a normal circunstance, but then, I've seen Venus and Serena LOTS of times shouting come ons on letcords and double faults from their opponents, so it's a bit of a payback. It's not acceptable, but Serena cannot complain

And Maria was gutted coz of Serena's behaviour, coz Serena apparently could barely walk, and then she ran from side to side of the court like nothing had happened. I'm not saying Serena wasn't injured, coz she couldn't serve, but she was overdoing coz she was moving fine, which is normal in abdominal injuries. Serena took advantage of a stunned Sharapova to win 4 games in a row, and if you are really that bad you should retire

Darling Nikki
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:42 PM
When she does a Venus, and refuses to make an apology for receiving net cords, then I will criticize her.

She had to keep herself motivated after all she was playing an opponent who would resort to any measure for victory (including feigning injury AGAIN)

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I think it WOULD BE disgusting on a normal circunstance, but then, I've seen Venus and Serena LOTS of times shouting come ons on letcords and double faults from their opponents, so it's a bit of a payback. It's not acceptable, but Serena cannot complain

And Maria was gutted coz of Serena's behaviour, coz Serena apparently could barely walk, and then she ran from side to side of the court like nothing had happened. I'm not saying Serena wasn't injured, coz she couldn't serve, but she was overdoing coz she was moving fine, which is normal in abdominal injuries. Serena took advantage of a stunned Sharapova to win 4 games in a row, and if you are really that bad you should retire
You lying ass...:rolleyes:

Teemu
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:43 PM
I think Maria cheers because she wins a point, not because her opponent loses one. It's still not acceptable behaviour but I think she'll get rid of it with time.

bandabou
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Serena was moving fine? Hmmm....yeah, when she only had to hit two or three balls to win the point.

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:58 PM
I think Maria cheers because she wins a point, not because her opponent loses one. It's still not acceptable behaviour but I think she'll get rid of it with time.

I hope so, it´s really annoying, but I am positive.

Chriskip
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:00 PM
Maybe if some of who are so critical take a look back at players who have had abdominal injuries they would realize that it mainly affects the serve. That was obvious too with Serena last night. Ask Kim about it. She will tell you about last year's Wimbledon match with Venus. Everything else was okay except the serve. And I would challenge anyone to even think that that injury to Venus was fake. The results cannot be changed, Maria won. No-one will know what the result would have been had not there been the injury, but I honestly dont think Serena would have gone down without a fight. She had the upper hand up to that point and whether the want to admit it now or not it was obvious that Maria was showing negative body language too. Congrats on your win Maria, but for your sake I hope you or someone in your large entourage can talk some sense and civil conduct into your dad. Otherwise he will be the downfall of your tennis career like so many other players dads have been.

mr_zebra
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:09 PM
worldwar - yes, the sisters do it too , but for an obviously hurt and in-pain opponent ? Never. Sharapova was classless last night (and i do LIKE her & her game). She's just a kid, though. And no, she shouldn't have retired.
Remember the Venus/Cljisters ab injury? Venus's camp told her to 'fight thru the pain' during break and she did, and won. It's not in the WS repetoire to give in to an injury that still allows them to somewhat function on court.

Quasimodo - you actually think SW faked the injury and continued with the charade by serving down, from 120's to 70's mph - JUST to proceed with the farce ??
lmao ! and when she was leveled at 4-4 in the final set, she STILL stuck to her "fake injury" plan and lobbed her serves in for the final games instead of firing a 125?

ab injury affects 'up and down' movement, not side to side.

Sharapower
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Nope I didn't say that SW faked her injury, she had a problem for sure, but it's possible that she overacted it, I don't know, and in fact, I don't really care.

In my post I was rather thinking of Justine...

And personally, I don't anymore give a sh*t to fairplay. Almost all of these top-players have shown some behaviors that people on this board qualify "classless". Since evryone is in the same case, then I consider it's part of the game. May the better win.

kabuki
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:28 PM
I think it WOULD BE disgusting on a normal circunstance, but then, I've seen Venus and Serena LOTS of times shouting come ons on letcords and double faults from their opponents, so it's a bit of a payback. It's not acceptable, but Serena cannot complain

And Maria was gutted coz of Serena's behaviour, coz Serena apparently could barely walk, and then she ran from side to side of the court like nothing had happened. I'm not saying Serena wasn't injured, coz she couldn't serve, but she was overdoing coz she was moving fine, which is normal in abdominal injuries. Serena took advantage of a stunned Sharapova to win 4 games in a row, and if you are really that bad you should retire

I have NEVER seen Venus or Serena cheer. Smirk, maybe, but cheer, absofuckinglutely not.

Jaime Bahena
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:28 PM
It's unfortunate that Serena was not in the best of shape/health. Now she can use that misfortune to justify her loss to Maria again.

mr_zebra
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:35 PM
uhh Jaime... i think a hobbling injury causing 70 mph lob first serves DOES justify a loss.

So in this case, her injury most definately prevented her from winning.
You don't have to be SW fan to see that.

Like it or not, there will ALWAYS be an 'asterisk' next to Maria's win yesterday.

xan
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:40 PM
I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

What do you expect?

Serena's injury suddenly appeared when Maria was 5-2 up in the second set. Maria waits while treatment proceeds, then wins the set.

Then the injured Serena comes back and starts hitting fabulous winners all over the place and launches out to a 4-0 lead.

So Maria should then start treating her like an invalid and tone down her game? Players who do that to an injured champion quickly get bundled off court. No. Maria did well to regain her composure and play her best to win.

If she'd been "nice" and lost, everyone would be calling her a disaster and a fluke, to lose to an injured Serena.

charmedRic
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:40 PM
You people are unbelievable. What is so wrong about fist pumping and shouting on court?

Honestly, Maria does it to keep herself going, to stay motivated and to send a message that she is not going to take it easy.

Imagine how horrible the quality of play would be if anytime a player called for the trainer, both players just hit around lightly and were quiet just to not insult the injury. Regardless of Serena's serve, her groundstrokes were still slamming, and both players were within 2 games from taking the million dollars.

So suck it up, try to stop whinning about it and try to enjoy tennis for what is it: an amazing sport where brains and brawns must be used at all times.

charmedRic
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:43 PM
uhh Jaime... i think a hobbling injury causing 70 mph lob first serves DOES justify a loss.

So in this case, her injury most definately prevented her from winning.
You don't have to be SW fan to see that.

Like it or not, there will ALWAYS be an 'asterisk' next to Maria's win yesterday.
A win is a win, at the end of the day Maria's profile will say DEFEATED Serena Williams and WON 1,000,000 dollars.

No asterisk, No restrictions apply ... why? Because injuries are part of the game, ...where have you all been in the past 3 years...it's been injuries galore, and that should not be used to take away the validity of a tournament win.

SJW
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:46 PM
You lying ass...:rolleyes:

i'm sayin...they found someone really "classless" now they're tryin to flip it. hilarious :)

mr_zebra
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:46 PM
You people are unbelievable. What is so wrong about fist pumping and shouting on court?

Nothing !
BUT, she could have still made her fabulous winners off of Serena's lob serve and just moved to the other side of the court.

But to crush a serve that my 6 year old son could have crushed ? and then do cartwheels about how great it was?

It'd be like me playing a wheelchair player, and when they double fault, me pumping my fist and screaming YES !! YEA !
real nice.

silverwhite
Nov 16th, 2004, 03:21 PM
The thing is, Maria cheering those DFs caused by an injury was not very tactful. She definitely didn't mean it, but for her to do that was almost as if she was cheering because of the injury.

Sharapower
Nov 17th, 2004, 05:53 AM
Clearly, I didn't watch the match with a lot of attention, but I didn't see Maria cheering on DF's. On UE's yes but not really on DF's.
But once again I didn't watch with that much attention.

Hots4Safin
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:10 AM
She most certainly come on'd or fist pumped after a LOT of the points after 4-0. I taped the third set...Anyone who is actually questioning whether or not Serena was injured is really sad. It looked like Venus (wimby03) all over again. You have to understand that Serena fans are going to feel jipped by our fav's lost. She was coming up with some great stuff in this tournament, and now an injury that has the potential to put her out for some time. Congrats to Maria for her win, which at the end of the day is just that, a win. Let's see what Serena can do the next time they meet, which I feel will be of a great importance...think, Wimby 05' semi's? It won't be the final b/c Venus will be waiting there... :wavey:

Lemonskin.
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:19 AM
Can you picture ANY other player on the WTA that would do this?

I'm neutral on Sharapova, but did anyone else find it horrifically unsportsmanlike to cheer out loud (for yourself) when a hobbled Serena double faulted?
I would think most players would just internally say to THEMSELF (oh hell yea that bitch double faulted !) then move to the other side of the court.

I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

Is it her immaturity (age-wise)? There's no top 50 player that i can think of that would vocalize a cheer for a crippled opponents double fault.
Oh come on...

Are you gonna say next that Serena has never been been a loud grunter, a fist pumper, or yelled CMON!!! real loud in a match? :rolleyes:

They're as good/bad (however you see it) as each other. Get over it.

Bonfire
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:25 AM
no because Maria was playing against an injured Serena who was (besides her serving) playing better than she had the entire match.....I mean, could you imagine barely winning a point for four games in a row in a situation like that....I'm sure she thought "I'm suppose to win this match..and I'm losing..." and had to get herself pumped up after every point...I understand what your saying but I think in this case it's forgivable.....you know what I'm sayin:confused:

Bonfire
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:30 AM
oh and by the way...I'm not anti-Serena, and I think that she was really injured and it is sad her year had to end that way...but at the same time....I'm glad Maria found a way to win the match..because could you imagine how devastating that would be for her to lose a match like that???

also....I think that Serena will win at least one slam in 2005...I saw some signs of the 2002/2003 Serena this past week, so good for her:)

Sharapower
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Thanks for your posts, CAPRIATI420, they make sense.

Bonfire
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:47 AM
no problem;)

SJW
Nov 17th, 2004, 08:28 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: omg that would have to be the best post of all time :worship: i find it hard to comprehend how serena williams fans can critisize another player for bad sportsmanship :tape: :tape: :tape:

easy. when can erm, "comprehend" what sportsmanship really means, then i'll be happy to explain it to you :)

DemWilliamsGulls
Nov 17th, 2004, 08:51 AM
If I were a top tennis player, playing a final worth $ 1 000 000 and my opponents gets the momentum then I would :

1) fake an injury and ask for the trainer, preferably just at the moment when my opponent is about to serve an important point or game,
2) pump my fists on every single point won and yell "come on" the loudest I can if my opponent double-faults,
3) argue with the umpire whenever a ball bouncing in a zone of 2 inches around the line is not called in my favor,
4) grunt like a pig,
5) change my racquet before my opponent is about to serve on a break-point.

If all of this is not enough and I still lose the match, then I would remind in all my press conferences for the two next years that I couldn't even play at 50% of my abilities on that day. Maybe I would even invent that someone kidnapped me and that the person on court was just a doppelganger.

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

Lord knows im tired of reading dumb ass resposes from dumbasses. :rolleyes:

SJW
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:00 AM
im all ears :) does it mean faking injuries every time u r about to lose a match and taking credibility away from ur opponent everytime u r beaten? :angel:

Serena was ahead in the match when she called for the trainer.
when asked about your own game, you should reply with comments about your own game unless you're completely spastic (excuse the terminology).

it was a good reaction from Serena and she had nothing but nice words to say about Maria. i fail to see how that is bad sportsmanship. however, i CAN see how fist pumping an injured opponents double faults at 0-0 in a game, and forgetting to acknowledge her fight in a match, and having your loony-toon father running onto the court (i didn't agree when Richard did it at the US in 00. i think it's dangerous. if they can run onto the court then imagine who else can) was in poor taste in some peoples' opinion :)

Greatest
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Can you picture ANY other player on the WTA that would do this?

I'm neutral on Sharapova, but did anyone else find it horrifically unsportsmanlike to cheer out loud (for yourself) when a hobbled Serena double faulted?
I would think most players would just internally say to THEMSELF (oh hell yea that bitch double faulted !) then move to the other side of the court.

I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

Is it her immaturity (age-wise)? There's no top 50 player that i can think of that would vocalize a cheer for a crippled opponents double fault.



you obviously have zero experience dealing with teens who actually act their age. imagine that: a 17 year old being youthfully playful and coy! what's the world coming to??

Greatest
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:12 AM
She most certainly come on'd or fist pumped after a LOT of the points after 4-0. I taped the third set...Anyone who is actually questioning whether or not Serena was injured is really sad. It looked like Venus (wimby03) all over again. You have to understand that Serena fans are going to feel jipped by our fav's lost. She was coming up with some great stuff in this tournament, and now an injury that has the potential to put her out for some time. Congrats to Maria for her win, which at the end of the day is just that, a win. Let's see what Serena can do the next time they meet, which I feel will be of a great importance...think, Wimby 05' semi's? It won't be the final b/c Venus will be waiting there... :wavey:


i know what you're saying but, come on, i think a perfectly controlled and proffesional 17 year old is a scary proposition. i would much rather see a fresh, exuberantly youthful and playful teenager be herself and act like a playful, exuberant teen, than a completely professional one. it bodes well for her outlook to be as child-like and playful and enjoy her youth as much as possible before she turns 21. the gal is still so young. let's let her enjoy her youthfulness and stop trying to turn her into some kind of automaton of perfect grace, nobility, and dignity at 17. let's not get carried away here. the fact that some teens are more 'controlled, collected, and reserved' or whatever we should want to call it, doesn't mean that we should somehow expect all teens to act that way. her youthful and coy demeanor is precisely what makes her such a beauty to watch, and i would not want to change her youthful playfulness one iota just to make her fit some preconceived notion of what a 'professional' teen ought to act like.

Williams Rulez
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:14 AM
The issue here isn't whether Serena pumps her fist when other pple DF or whatever... cuz Serena may do it, but not against an injured player who can barely serve, which was what Maria was doing...

pla
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:21 AM
you obviously have zero experience dealing with teens who actually act their age. imagine that: a 17 year old being youthfully playful and coy! what's the world coming to??

Normally I don't write in such topics but I am curious why Maria fans use very often the age-excuse, while the same fans (or let me say a big part of them) were SO shocked with Sesil's "kick her a*s" comment?

Anyway, I think the bash-the-other-posters'-fave topics are pointless and gross.

Lemonskin.
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:22 AM
A win is a win, at the end of the day Maria's profile will say DEFEATED Serena Williams and WON 1,000,000 dollars.

No asterisk, No restrictions apply ... why? Because injuries are part of the game, ...where have you all been in the past 3 years...it's been injuries galore, and that should not be used to take away the validity of a tournament win.
EXACTLY!!! :worship:

Part of being a pro-athlete is having to deal with injuries. Injuries WILL come and go. You can't just say that any win over an injured player is not a real win.

Lemonskin.
Nov 17th, 2004, 09:23 AM
you obviously have zero experience dealing with teens who actually act their age. imagine that: a 17 year old being youthfully playful and coy! what's the world coming to??
This is the only intelligent post I've seen you do.

Drimal
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:00 AM
It was certainly unfair and egoistic from Maria Sharapova to do that! :o



But I wrote in my newspaper that Sharapova gave the 56000 dollar of the car she won to the victimes of the terror attack in Beslan (you know the attack on that school with so many injured children). This is a very nice thing from her. That shows that she is not that bad some people think. ;)


You know the WTA champs final reminds me alot the 2004 men's final of Roland Garros between Coria and Gaudio. Coria was meaning in two sets and a break in the third set than he had muscle cramps and couldn't serve normaly. But he plaied the match to the end despite his pains as Serena Williams did too, and lost like Serena this important match.
The only difference was that the winner Gaudio mentionned Coria in the final ceremony and said that he deserved the victory. Maria Sharapova didn't mention Serena Williams but she certainly feels some compassion for her.

So please don't divide this WTA forum in two world: the pro-Williams (and anti-Sharapova) and the pro-Sharapova and (anti-Williams). :hug:

Both are great players who need to be respected! :D

pigam
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:10 AM
wow, these bashing threads are so ennoying for me when Justine isn't envolved :sad:

Greatest
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:12 AM
This is the only intelligent post I've seen you do.

That post wasn't meant for you but for Maria Sharapova and her genuine fans. BTW, I yet have to see one intelligent post from you.

If only you can be as gutsy as Maria in facing the William fans in the debate here.

Sharapower
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:20 AM
If I were a top tennis player, playing a final worth $ 1 000 000 and my opponents gets the momentum then I would :

1) fake an injury and ask for the trainer, preferably just at the moment when my opponent is about to serve an important point or game,
2) pump my fists on every single point won and yell "come on" the loudest I can if my opponent double-faults,
3) argue with the umpire whenever a ball bouncing in a zone of 2 inches around the line is not called in my favor,
4) grunt like a pig,
5) change my racquet before my opponent is about to serve on a break-point.

If all of this is not enough and I still lose the match, then I would remind in all my press conferences for the two next years that I couldn't even play at 50% of my abilities on that day. Maybe I would even invent that someone kidnapped me and that the person on court was just a doppelganger.

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Sorry to quote myself, but some of you do not understand : I'm being serious here, I would REALLY do that, and I would have a lot of fun telling the story to my grandchildren when I'm old :haha: !!!

Tennis is a game and all those stinky tricks are part of the game. The things that I wouldn't do is to break my racquet on the head of my opponent or put some drugs in the water he/she drinks, for example. But as long as it's about playing with the opponent's nerves and brain, I would do it.

Look: I would Lendl-pass my opponent and yell "Volley that, b*tch". Hmmm, well, no I wouldn't say "b*tch" cause I would get a penalty point.

:haha:

Sharapower
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:23 AM
Btw, why do some Serena fans think I'm attacking Serena with my post ???
All these girls (and men too) do this kind of stuff. I adore it.

Knizzle
Nov 17th, 2004, 11:46 AM
Clearly, I didn't watch the match with a lot of attention, but I didn't see Maria cheering on DF's. On UE's yes but not really on DF's.
But once again I didn't watch with that much attention.
She gave a loud cmon and fist pump when Serena double faulted to lose a game near the end of the match. Not necessary at all.

Sharapower
Nov 17th, 2004, 11:57 AM
She gave a loud cmon and fist pump when Serena double faulted to lose a game near the end of the match. Not necessary at all.
OK, what a bad girl !!!
LOL :p

Jaime Bahena
Nov 17th, 2004, 03:03 PM
uhh Jaime... i think a hobbling injury causing 70 mph lob first serves DOES justify a loss.

So in this case, her injury most definately prevented her from winning.
You don't have to be SW fan to see that.

Like it or not, there will ALWAYS be an 'asterisk' next to Maria's win yesterday.

The asterisk is such an underutilized punctuation tool: it should go next to Maria's name on the 2004 Wimbledon trophy as well. Footnote should read: *Serena Williams, runner up, did not possess proper fitness [neither physical nor psychological] to formulate a challenge to Ms. Sharapova, therefore, this was not a true victory for M. Sharapova.

Jaime Bahena
Nov 17th, 2004, 03:09 PM
She gave a loud cmon and fist pump when Serena double faulted to lose a game near the end of the match. Not necessary at all.

Please notify the WTA officials, and ask them to define "tennis protocol."

WorldWar24
Nov 17th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Why are some people here bashing Maria? Maria is a clone of Serena, she even said she and Venus were her IDOLS, and so you'd expect her have the same competitive attitude. Serena shouts cmons on double faults too, she shouts cmons on letcords and looks her opponents in the eye while she does it. Not much of a shock there, when Maria shouted cmons too ;) You can say Serena was injured, but Serena was playing awesome in those 4 games, coz players who are hurt are twice as dangerous, and if Maria didn't react, she would have lost

Calm down children, Serena would have done the same, and that's why she was not pissed off. In Maria, Serena saw her own attitude when she was 17

silverwhite
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Serena shouts cmons on double faults too,

Not when the double faults are caused by an injury.

mr_zebra
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:09 PM
YES ! it is perfectly normal and expected to fist pump and cheer for an opponents gross error - even a double fault. They all do it, Serena included.

BUT !!
if the opponent is hobbled by injury ?? MORALLY, one should have more class than to cheer a double fault from a grossly hurt player. And NO ONE on the tour has ever done this up until Monday.
She set a new (low) standard of moral play.
Just like Jen not saying a word when that ball was clearly in. Morally, that was sickening.
I guess it's an unfortunate trend.

jacobruiz
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:09 PM
wow, these bashing threads are so ennoying for me when Justine isn't envolved :sad:

I just hope Justine comes back strong and winning matches so she can take some of the bashing pressure off of Masha.:lol:

BlazeII
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:34 PM
I just hope Justine comes back strong and winning matches so she can take some of the bashing pressure off of Masha.:lol:


I hope so too.

What I can't understand is why people keep bringing up the fact that Serena was injured therefore Maria should have tone down her fist pumping. As long as Serena could play, I don't expect Maria to change her behaviour or gameplan just because her opponent is injured. An injured person should not be playing. If I was playing in an important match that was so tight and my opponent double faulted (injured or not), I will pump my fist. As long as the crowd can cheer and applaud the double faults of others, why can't I do it.

I saw the whole match and agrees that Serena was injured but as I always say, if you are injured or sick, RETIRE. I don't buy that crap about fighting spirit and guts. If I was playing someone who got injured and they didn't retire, I will feel disrespected because I don't want to win a match and read the headlines the next morning saying "She defeated an injured opponent."

Players on both the men and women tour continue to do this and it is not right. The Tours should have laws against this.

silverwhite
Nov 17th, 2004, 05:01 PM
What I can't understand is why people keep bringing up the fact that Serena was injured therefore Maria should have tone down her fist pumping.

For the hundredth time, it's because the DFs which Maria cheered were caused by the injury. If they were unrelated, fine. But to cheer something produced by an injury was unnecessary.

BlazeII
Nov 17th, 2004, 05:14 PM
For the hundredth time, it's because the DFs which Maria cheered were caused by the injury. If they were unrelated, fine. But to cheer something produced by an injury was unnecessary.


Did you read everything I wrote or were you only interested in this bit?

silverwhite
Nov 17th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Did you read everything I wrote or were you only interested in this bit?

I read the whole thing, but I didn't think you understood why some of us take it so seriously.

Which is to say, I agree with what you said if the DFs weren't directly caused by the injury, but they were caused by the injury so it's a different situation and the other parts don't apply.

GermanBoy
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Sharapova :rolleyes: Never liked her! :rolleyes:

DeDe4925
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:37 PM
Can you picture ANY other player on the WTA that would do this?

I'm neutral on Sharapova, but did anyone else find it horrifically unsportsmanlike to cheer out loud (for yourself) when a hobbled Serena double faulted?
I would think most players would just internally say to THEMSELF (oh hell yea that bitch double faulted !) then move to the other side of the court.

I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

Is it her immaturity (age-wise)? There's no top 50 player that i can think of that would vocalize a cheer for a crippled opponents double fault.
That's all I've been trying to say in a zillion responses in these tons of threads. However, some people on here refuse to get it. :rolleyes:

fammmmedspin
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:42 PM
If I were a top tennis player, playing a final worth $ 1 000 000 and my opponents gets the momentum then I would :

1) fake an injury and ask for the trainer, preferably just at the moment when my opponent is about to serve an important point or game,
2) pump my fists on every single point won and yell "come on" the loudest I can if my opponent double-faults,
3) argue with the umpire whenever a ball bouncing in a zone of 2 inches around the line is not called in my favor,
4) grunt like a pig,
5) change my racquet before my opponent is about to serve on a break-point.

If all of this is not enough and I still lose the match, then I would remind in all my press conferences for the two next years that I couldn't even play at 50% of my abilities on that day. Maybe I would even invent that someone kidnapped me and that the person on court was just a doppelganger.

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:Add to which

If they are gay you pour cold water over your top at the changeover adjust the cleavage and bend over at any opportunity .:devil:

You shout "Komm Jetz" after any big forehand (this really frightens them - especially if your name is Sveta when they look at you and grow really confused)

If they are Maria and uou are Russian interupt the chat between Yuri and Maria and start arguing with Yuri at each changeover about what Maria should be doing next.

If its Momo hire someone to shout "do it for France Amelie"

If its Venus - shout "come on Serena" or "wake up Ted" , any Russian; "come on Nastya" IF Serena: "come on Jen".....

If Kim is flat and you are a fan shout " come on Tatiana".

DeDe4925
Nov 17th, 2004, 06:45 PM
If I were a top tennis player, playing a final worth $ 1 000 000 and my opponents gets the momentum then I would :

1) fake an injury and ask for the trainer, preferably just at the moment when my opponent is about to serve an important point or game,

So, are you saying Serena faked her injury? Sorry, not her MO.

2) pump my fists on every single point won and yell "come on" the loudest I can if my opponent double-faults,

When she's playing an injured opponent? Name one time.

3) argue with the umpire whenever a ball bouncing in a zone of 2
inches around the line is not called in my favor,

Are we talking about Serena in the US Open against JenCap. :lol: You must be as blind as that Ump. Because that's the only time I've ever seen her argue a call with the Ump. Please don't lie, it only makes you look stupid. :rolleyes:

4) grunt like a pig,

As opposed to squealing like a pig, e.g. Sharapova?

5) change my racquet before my opponent is about to serve on a break-point.

Is that against the rules, or do you expect her to play with a racquet that she feels something is wrong with on a very important point?

If all of this is not enough and I still lose the match, then I would remind in all my press conferences for the two next years that I couldn't even play at 50% of my abilities on that day. Maybe I would even invent that someone kidnapped me and that the person on court was just a doppelganger.

Isn't it enough that Maria won against her that day? I guess like your favorite, you take pleasure in rubbing salt into the wound. Oh, I can't wait for Serena to wipe the court with that little girl's ass next year.

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:[/QUOTE]

t_fan
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:00 PM
Can you picture ANY other player on the WTA that would do this?

I'm neutral on Sharapova, but did anyone else find it horrifically unsportsmanlike to cheer out loud (for yourself) when a hobbled Serena double faulted?
I would think most players would just internally say to THEMSELF (oh hell yea that bitch double faulted !) then move to the other side of the court.

I was appalled that Maria took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve cross court from an opponent who could not even stand up straight !

Is it her immaturity (age-wise)? There's no top 50 player that i can think of that would vocalize a cheer for a crippled opponents double fault.
So what she should have been doing in your opinion? And where did you learn that Masha took such pleasure in slamming a 70mph serve? :lol:

DeDe4925
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:02 PM
i know what you're saying but, come on, i think a perfectly controlled and proffesional 17 year old is a scary proposition. i would much rather see a fresh, exuberantly youthful and playful teenager be herself and act like a playful, exuberant teen, than a completely professional one. it bodes well for her outlook to be as child-like and playful and enjoy her youth as much as possible before she turns 21. the gal is still so young. let's let her enjoy her youthfulness and stop trying to turn her into some kind of automaton of perfect grace, nobility, and dignity at 17. let's not get carried away here. the fact that some teens are more 'controlled, collected, and reserved' or whatever we should want to call it, doesn't mean that we should somehow expect all teens to act that way. her youthful and coy demeanor is precisely what makes her such a beauty to watch, and i would not want to change her youthful playfulness one iota just to make her fit some preconceived notion of what a 'professional' teen ought to act like.
Oh no, let's not teach her respect, grace, nobility, dignity, control or professionalism in a sport where she's supposed to be a professional. It's fun to watch uncontrolled teenagers with no respect, grace, nobility or dignity. It will automatically come to her when she's 21. :rolleyes: God, I hope you don't have any children. This is what is wrong with our youth today, but I digress.

Lemonskin.
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Oh no, let's not teach her respect, grace, nobility, dignity, control or professionalism in a sport she's where supposed to be a professional. It's fun to watch uncontrolled teenagers with no respect, grace, nobility or dignity. It will automatically come to her when she's 21. :rolleyes: God, I hope you don't have any children. This is what is wrong with our youth today, but I digress.
Don't get worked up over "Greatest". He/She's just another "fake" Maria fan. Just want's to argue, I think.

DeDe4925
Nov 17th, 2004, 07:14 PM
YES ! it is perfectly normal and expected to fist pump and cheer for an opponents gross error - even a double fault. They all do it, Serena included.

BUT !!
if the opponent is hobbled by injury ?? MORALLY, one should have more class than to cheer a double fault from a grossly hurt player. And NO ONE on the tour has ever done this up until Monday.
She set a new (low) standard of moral play.
Just like Jen not saying a word when that ball was clearly in. Morally, that was sickening.
I guess it's an unfortunate trend.
You know what, I agree with everything you say, except the last part. I didn't expect Jen to say anything with regard to the ball being in to the Ump. But, when asked about it after the match, lying about it was totally immoral and unethical. The worst unethical thing I've seen done by another player was Justine in the FO '03 semi against Serena. There IMO she had a moral and ethical duty to say what she did to cause the service fault. But, again I digress. :)

faboozadoo15
Nov 17th, 2004, 08:07 PM
why should she play an injured opponent any differently? when she toned things down, she was getting her ass kicked. she needs her intensity out there more than most girls. it worked. she kept herself in it and didn't let serena continue to domiante that set.

Sharapower
Nov 18th, 2004, 05:29 AM
DeDe4925, that's too funny that you attribute all the stinky tricks I mentionned to Serena, which sincerely was not what I meant in my thread. I was summing up all the secret wapons of modern era top players : Conchita Martinez, Hingis, Jennifer, Justine, and yes : Serena and Maria too of course.

And by the way, my post is more of a joke than some attack against whoever. But seems you are too moronic to know what is a joke, so I take the bad rep you granted me with this delicious comment :"You're so ignorant" as a compliment :rolleyes: .