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Dec 18th, 2001, 01:32 PM
I generally despise when people point out the obvious, but I feel the need to do some point of it on my own concerning Monica's ranking.

There's a lot of talk in some other threads that she has no shot to be in the top 10 at the end of 2002. Of course, this is quite possible, but the reasons for some given don't support their foundation.

Dispelling #1:<br />Since she doesn't play Germany, she'll lose points.

She didn't play Germany this year, and therefore earned no points. Consequently she will be unable to 'lose' said points next year.

Dispelling #2:<br />Since she 'only' ended the year at #10 this year, there's no way she can better that.

Let's think about this... From a second round loss at Indian Wells, and injured Seles returned too soon and lost 2 months later in Madrid.

She missed the French...missed Wimbledon.

She only played that one clay court match all year in Madrid, and considering her claycourt record over the past few years:

1989: 10-1<br />1990: 22-0<br />1991: 19-2<br />1992: 19-1<br />1993: 02-1* stabbed 30 Apr<br />1994: **-*<br />1995: 00-0<br />1996: 05-1<br />1997: 13-4<br />1998: 15-4<br />1999: 13-3<br />2000: 17-2<br />2001: 00-1<br /> <br />It's a fairly safe to assume that if healthy, she would have won approx 13-17 clay court matches alone, which of course, given her more ranking and bonus points with each win.

<br />Dispelling #3:<br />She's 'too' old and out of shape to be a threat.

This one is way tiring... In 2001, a 27 year old Seles beat world #1 Martina Hingis 2 times in 6 days, she beat Serena Williams (after being down 6 match points), she pushed Serena the next time they met in a super close 7.5 7.6 match, she looked all down and out in Canada; after beating Dokic 6.3 7.6, she had to turn right around and play Henin. After losing the first set 6-1, she stepped up play and won 1.6 6.2 6.2 She won 4 events this year (yes, none were Tier 1 or Grand Slams, but....) She continued her dominance over Jennifer Capriati. JenCap won the Oz tilt, but Seles got her back 1 month later in OkCity. Seles leads the head to head 9:4

She missed 2 Slams, most of the spring/summer events, all the clay events, and still posted at 41:10 win/loss record.

Williams Rulez
Dec 18th, 2001, 01:44 PM
I knew that Monica is a great player!! It is obvious that she'll be in the top 10 for sure <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Dec 18th, 2001, 01:55 PM
Thanks Seles... All of those who chose Monica failed to realize that she did not show up for 2 slams, lost a truckload of points because she did not play the Chase final, and was out for a portion of the season as well.. She's #10 now with only 14 tournaments, just imagine what wil happen next year when she adds the 2 slam appearances <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

Dec 18th, 2001, 01:55 PM
It is indeed quite obvious that Monica Seles, barring injury of course, will not drop out of the top 10 next year. It is laughable that a player who missed almost half the year, and two of the Grand Slams, would not be able to improve on her ranking.

Senorita Conchita
Dec 18th, 2001, 02:02 PM
Well I don't think Monica will fall out of the top ten. I think what some people mean't is that she will be missing out on big points by not playing all of these German tier I's and II's, not that she would be losing points from them.

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Serena_TheBody_Williams ]</p>

Dec 18th, 2001, 02:13 PM
Don't take the post to heart. they are just trying to ruffle some feathers. Monica will be in the top ten next year.

Dec 18th, 2001, 02:18 PM
Just pointing at the obvious that Davenport misses the entire clay court season and ends the year #1.

Those German tournaments are not that important as people are making out.

4 GS<br />1 YEC<br />9 T1<br />18 T1

1 T1 & 3 T2 are in Germany, if you look at the total # of tournaments, it is a very small percentage of which Monica is choosing to miss.

Another instance is that Capriati only got to the quarter-finals in Munich and gained just over 100 points and ended the year #2. So this and Davenport really make the not playing in Germany issue look very weak. Granted she is missing out on points in Munich but she can make it up elsewhere if she is healthy.

Also the only thing stopping Monica not finishing in the top 10 is if she got a serious injury and was unable to play a lot of the year. And she had that this year and still managed to be in the top 10.

Monica has really not much to defend in the early part of the year and she can pick up points all over the place. So if she remains healthy she can really advance up the rankings.

Also Monica is much fitter now, since probably the early 90's, that was her one major weakness and hopefully she has been working on getting more fitter over the break as I think there are only a handful of players who can beat her if she is playing well.

Williams Rulez
Dec 18th, 2001, 02:19 PM
Williams fans out in force to support Monica <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> !! <img src="graemlins/bounce.gif" border="0" alt="[Bounce]" /> <img src="graemlins/bounce.gif" border="0" alt="[Bounce]" />

Dec 18th, 2001, 02:40 PM
Thanks William's fans!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Dec 18th, 2001, 03:30 PM
Finally! I couldn't believe that some people were suggesting that monica was going to fall out of the top ten in other threads...am very glad that you (Seles) posted this info to set the record straight!

GOOOOOOOOO MONICA! #2 WTA Rank at the end of 2002!


ETA's Martina Nav
Dec 18th, 2001, 03:54 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fingon:<br /><strong>Just pointing at the obvious that Davenport misses the entire clay court season and ends the year #1.

Those German tournaments are not that important as people are making out.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is true about Davenport, but Davenport won seven tournaments and reached four other finals. All of the tournaments were level tier 1 and 2. Now I don't mean any disrespect to Seles or her fans when I say that I just don't think she can pull off those same type of results. Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, but we'll just have to wait and see next year.

Happy Holidays!

Dec 18th, 2001, 04:06 PM
One should NEVER count Monica out!

Stanley Mitchell
Dec 18th, 2001, 04:27 PM
Well I'm counting her out, she Won't win a Major Title.

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Stanley Mitchell ]</p>

Dec 18th, 2001, 05:40 PM
I think you've pretty much outlined the reasons why I can't be bothered to hear anyone's explanation about why they think she will drop out of the top 10. They don't really have anything sensible to point to.

Dec 18th, 2001, 06:43 PM
I'm not counting Monica out either!<br />Go Monica! <img src="graemlins/wavey.gif" border="0" alt="[Wavey]" />

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 18th, 2001, 07:10 PM
The ONLY way she will be out of the top 10 is with a bad injury, like in 2000.

Monica will stay in the top 10 with her play....alone.

Dec 18th, 2001, 07:14 PM
Stanley. Please tell us what more you see in your crystal ball.

Stanley Mitchell
Dec 18th, 2001, 07:59 PM
The numbers 26,37 and 48. and a Grey horse winning the 2002 Kentucky Derby.

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Stanley Mitchell ]</p>

Williams Rulez
Dec 19th, 2001, 01:41 AM
<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Dec 19th, 2001, 02:11 AM
*golf clap*

Dec 19th, 2001, 10:40 PM
Great post Seles <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">