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HELEBECKS
Oct 23rd, 2004, 07:35 PM
Elena Loss To Sharapova Means Nothing To Me.she Is Stillt He Best In The World I Admire Her So Much And I'm Her Biggest Fan.when She Lost To Sharapova,i Cried So Much Like A Baby.i Really Hope She Wins The Wta Tour Championships In L.a.i Would Also Like Her To Have Her Official Website So She Can Always Hear From Her Fans That Care.

HELEBECKS
Oct 23rd, 2004, 07:36 PM
Dementieva Is The Best In The World.i Cried When She Lost To Sharapova

Chunchun
Oct 24th, 2004, 01:19 AM
poor you :hug:

let's give our best hope to lena in yec & 05 :bounce: :D

Griswold_cn
Oct 24th, 2004, 05:52 AM
from report it seems that elena still not improve her serve :(

Mathijs
Oct 24th, 2004, 09:15 AM
Dementieva Is The Best In The World.i Cried When She Lost To Sharapovawell i also almost cried but anyway welcome to the Lena D fan clubs, with the nicest fans (:scared: :scared: uh-oh who's going to "kill me this time??? :scared: :scared: :lol: :haha: )

enjoy your stay and meet also fellow big fans of Elena in her fanclub and around the board!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: (like me :yeah: )

DEETHELICK
Oct 24th, 2004, 09:27 AM
Elena's serving was very good. She was mixing up placement and only hit a few soft second serves that actually threw Maria off. So have faith, it is coming together. She just had a bad serving game which lost her the match.

Once she has a new serve that she is comfortable with, she'll be fine. And yep, in my eyes, she is the best too.

I wana see Elena play Maria when she isn't as tired. The YEC hopefully ;)

JC Federer
Oct 24th, 2004, 09:34 AM
Serves aren't things you can change immediately. It takes a long time. She may never change it (the motion), but just improve on it.

All the critics say it's atrocious, and she'd actually win GS titles if it were better. It's the only thing holding her back, because her return game, forehand, and movement and the rest of her package are quite solid.

DEETHELICK
Oct 24th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Yes, but the serve has looked much better the past two weeks. Elena has really been hitting her serves 80% of the time instead of just spinning them in. And she has placed them on the BH and FH side.

Its more mental than technical. And Elena is making progress.

Chunchun
Oct 24th, 2004, 10:15 AM
from report it seems that elena still not improve her serve :(

she did improved in Moscow (in sveta match no DF! :eek: )

but maybe she's too tired and sth else, the serve thing return to shit in zurich

but anyway now it's better than RG & Wimby :)

amateurismisokay
Oct 24th, 2004, 10:22 AM
i just hope she wont losing confidence playing against other russian... :(

Prizeidiot
Oct 24th, 2004, 10:43 AM
I think her serve comes down to muscle memory because she has said that it's been going pretty well in training. Hopefully she'll soon get it working in matches. By the way, very, very nice forum topic. Elena is so much cooler than everyone else on the wta tour

msmsed
Oct 24th, 2004, 12:48 PM
it sorta involves luck too...maybe she just wasnt too lucky yesterday..cause im pretty sure she can beat sharapova.

Dementinator
Oct 24th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Course she can and Dee is righ tshe IS improving her serve ,she held solidly after losing the first game it really is getting better ,methinks the main prob yesterday was Lena was not as motivated as at say KC or USO....and didnt quite take her chances but hey u cant be on fire every match!!
Lena is just the most naturally beautiful girl I have seen and she really is soooo sweet u just want to take her home and look after her ,but with that body of hers she prob would do all the looking after .shes awesome the fittest girl out there and so intellligent!

Griswold_cn
Oct 25th, 2004, 02:32 AM
i am glad to hear that she is improving :)

rabbit_boi_313
Oct 25th, 2004, 03:48 AM
I cried too. :sobbing: :sobbing:
Poor Lena, hope she win YEC :bowdown: :bowdown:

JC Federer
Oct 25th, 2004, 10:56 AM
She is improving it, but only in a way that she won't give away double faults as often. She's not changing the serve so that it becomes a weapon that earns her aces, or cheap service winners.

If she could do that she'd almost have a complete game! :eek:

Dementinator
Oct 25th, 2004, 12:01 PM
She is improving it, but only in a way that she won't give away double faults as often. She's not changing the serve so that it becomes a weapon that earns her aces, or cheap service winners.

If she could do that she'd almost have a complete game! :eek:

I agree ,but Lena does not need a huge weapon in her serve ,her returning is so damn good that as long as she does not give points away doing DFs then she stands a good chance of winning ,no one is better at moving and playing rallies ,so the way I see it is as long as Lena can get her serve to the point that it is not a liabilty then she can really push for the top!
Everybody is so obsessed with huge serves ,that aint the only way to win ,in fact you rarely will win on serve alone Returning is the key!

JC Federer
Oct 25th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Well having a huge serve takes off the pressure. It makes you harder to break, so you just need to go all out and try to get one break while holding all your serves, and you will win the set.

If you don't have a big serve, there is extra pressure on your returning games. If you fail to break serve, you're in danger since it's no guarantee you will hold.

Players who have a big serve are dangerous to play because if you drop your serve to them, you can kiss the set goodbye because they are going to be difficult to break back (you need to break them twice). Whereas from their perspective, they know they will hold their serves easily, so all they need to aim for is one break off you. That gives them security, so they can go for broke on your serves since it doesn't matter if they fail to break you. They don't expect to be broken themselves, so they will either be on serve, or a break up. This applies more so in Men's tennis than in Women's but the logic is the same.

I do agree that having a good return and not so good serve is better than having a good serve and poor return. But it would take pressure away from Elena's return games if she can be confident on her serves. At the moment, I'm not sure if she's mentally confident on her serves. She said she hates serving, prefers returning and that she needs to enjoy serving to improve. I know if she's serving at 5-6, she better be steely or it's match over. Can't break down or get nervous, or you'll lose it mentally.

Being able to generate cheap aces or service winners is definately a good asset as it can get you out of those 15-40 situations and demoralize your opponent. There is a lot of pressure if you're down 15-40 and don't have a weapon for a serve. Kuzna took great advantage of those weak serves at the USO... she returned them down the line for a winner.

Natasc
Oct 25th, 2004, 07:42 PM
But Kuzna LOST in MOSCOW so.... that's ok for me. Lena is certainly improve her server. I watch some recent games and it is getting better A LOT, in her server.

seahawker
Oct 25th, 2004, 08:41 PM
From the SI.com tennis mailbag this week where writer Jon Wertheim answers e-mail questions weekly:

At the Swisscom tournament in Zurich, Dementieva beat Elena Bovina 6-0 in the third set. Bovina is talented and powerful. How does Dementieva keep doing this? Is it supreme spirit and ground strokes? It's certainly not the serve.
-- Sjohnna, Cincinnati

I didn't see the match, but keep in mind Bovina is not known as a pillar of mental strength. Here's what gets me about Dementieva: It would be one thing if she were a pusher and won in spite of a deficit of power. But her serve is a complete anomaly. Once the ball is in play she plays aggressively, dictates points and zings winner after winner. Her service games are the damnedest things: She floats in this 60 mph meatball and then goes on the offensive with the second ball.

Her coach, Olga Morozova, makes the case that Dementieva's Dairy Queen serve is, in a perverse way, a weapon. It is so unconventional and so unexpectedly soft that opponents -- Morozova referenced Jennifer Capriati by name to me -- get thrown off. That explanation might be a little too tidy, but there's no doubt Dementieva's opponents don't exploit her serve as much as you might think they would.

Griswold_cn
Oct 26th, 2004, 02:06 AM
i still remember the ace she serve about 104mph in USO against Cap

JC Federer
Oct 26th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Well Kuzna was able to punish that weak serve at the USO... Apparently so was Myskina and Sharapova.

Chunchun
Oct 26th, 2004, 01:52 PM
i still remember the ace she serve about 104mph in USO against Cap
how about 110mph ag. Kleinova in wim this yr, tho she lost :rolleyes: :o

Chunchun
Oct 26th, 2004, 01:54 PM
Well Kuzna was able to punish that weak serve at the USO... Apparently so was Myskina and Sharapova.

one thing other than "punishing lena's serve" in common:

they are bitches :tape: :mad:

miffedmax
Oct 26th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Well Kuzna was able to punish that weak serve at the USO... Apparently so was Myskina and Sharapova.

My personal thoughts on Lena vs. Masha, Sveta and Nastya:

vs. Masha--

Masha is just as powerful with her groundstrocks, but not as accurate or consistent. They are a very even match. Either one could beat the other on a given day, but Masha's serve gives her a slight edge.

vs. Sveta:

I think Kuz got lucky. She played the best game of her life against an tired, injured Elena (beating Capriati took so much out of Lena). I don't think that Lena let on to how badly the leg slowed her. Her speed is a big part of Lena's game and allows her to dictate points. I think the result in Moscow was more indicative of the the level. Sveta has to be on fire to beat Lena, but Lena will beat her more often than not.

vs. Nastya:

Nastya is IMHO the most "tennis smart" player on the tour. She's big enough at 5'8.5" to overpower the smaller players and her junk balls drive hard hitters like Lena and Masha crazy, she tailors her game to her opponent well most of the time. And somehow, she's able to get inside Lena's head. Nastya's the only one of the Russians I can't see Lena beating.

Just my thoughts.

Max

Dementinator
Oct 26th, 2004, 04:14 PM
My personal thoughts on Lena vs. Masha, Sveta and Nastya:

vs. Masha--

Masha is just as powerful with her groundstrocks, but not as accurate or consistent. They are a very even match. Either one could beat the other on a given day, but Masha's serve gives her a slight edge.

vs. Sveta:

I think Kuz got lucky. She played the best game of her life against an tired, injured Elena (beating Capriati took so much out of Lena). I don't think that Lena let on to how badly the leg slowed her. Her speed is a big part of Lena's game and allows her to dictate points. I think the result in Moscow was more indicative of the the level. Sveta has to be on fire to beat Lena, but Lena will beat her more often than not.

vs. Nastya:

Nastya is IMHO the most "tennis smart" player on the tour. She's big enough at 5'8.5" to overpower the smaller players and her junk balls drive hard hitters like Lena and Masha crazy, she tailors her game to her opponent well most of the time. And somehow, she's able to get inside Lena's head. Nastya's the only one of the Russians I can't see Lena beating.

Just my thoughts.

Max

Very well put Miffed max :worship:
Exactly how I would put it ,Lena can Beat Masha provide she serves as best she can and cuts down UEs as she returns better ,see last few masha service games ,she had break points on virtually every one!
Masha minus serve is no threat to Lena at all ,with her serve then its much closer .
Kuzzie is IMO not anywhere near as good a player as Lena ,she is "Shit or Bust" no finesse and lots of errors ,good serve and powerful but not in Lenas league for movement and accuracy ,Totally agree Lena would be favourate .
Myskina does play the type of game that Lena hates so would be the hardest to beat although I do think she CAN beat her if she slows down and doesnt get so worked up when playing her!!

It just depends on Lenas frame of mind as much as anything else as when she is having an ON day look out DEMENTINATION will ensue!
BUT she sometimes does go "on a trip" and just makes silly errors and goes back to "Shitty Service" mode and away goes the set and sometimes the match!

Lena just needs to relax and be confident, she has more tools to do the job than a lot of players.

One more thing ,back to her serve ,dont know about anybody else but I am pleased with the fact she is improving and will continue to do so ,but sometimes I would prefer her to risk a DF and go for her second serve like she did with AI ,got a second serve Ace! As when she does a 25mph 2nd serve its gonna get drilled anyways and she probably will lose the point ,so better to go for it and if she DFs so what ,it happens ,2 0r 3 Dfs a set will not lose her a match (As long as they dont all arrive at once!!) she needs to cut down on Dfs ,and she has ,15 to 20 a match is just to much, but 4 or 5 aint a problem.
Well thats my two cents worth...

seahawker
Oct 26th, 2004, 07:55 PM
One thing is certain, Elena plays much better when she gets some R&R in between events. She has had too many events scheduled and I think that has hurt her play. Some think you have to play all the time to be No. 1, but isn't it better to play well for a couple of weeks, maybe leading into a Grand Slam, do well there and then rest up for the next big run? Players should focus more on the big Tier I and II events than particiapating at the Appearance Fee Open. Justine Henin-Hardenne is classic for that and look where that's got her this year.

Griswold_cn
Oct 28th, 2004, 11:02 AM
She should have more events or we see her less :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

but her lose:crying2::crying2::crying2::crying2: