View Full Version : Seymour Hersh- war crimes are taking place in Iraq.

Oct 14th, 2004, 07:58 PM
HERSH: I got a call last week from a soldier -- it's different now, a lot of communication, 800 numbers. He's an American officer and he was in a unit halfway between Baghdad and the Syrian border. It's a place where we claim we've done great work at cleaning out the insurgency. He was a platoon commander. First lieutenant, ROTC guy.

It was a call about this. He had been bivouacing outside of town with his platoon. It was near, it was an agricultural area, and there was a granary around. And the guys that owned the granary, the Iraqis that owned the granary... It was an area that the insurgency had some control, but it was very quiet, it was not Fallujah. It was a town that was off the mainstream. Not much violence there. And his guys, the guys that owned the granary, had hired, my guess is from his language, I wasn't explicit -- we're talking not more than three dozen, thirty or so guards. Any kind of work people were dying to do. So Iraqis were guarding the granary. His troops were bivouaced, they were stationed there, they got to know everybody...

They were a couple weeks together, they knew each other. So orders came down from the generals in Baghdad, we want to clear the village, like in Samarra. And as he told the story, another platoon from his company came and executed all the guards, as his people were screaming, stop. And he said they just shot them one by one. He went nuts, and his soldiers went nuts. And he's hysterical. He's totally hysterical. And he went to the captain. He was a lieutenant, he went to the company captain. And the company captain said, "No, you don't understand. That's a kill. We got thirty-six insurgents."

You read those stories where the Americans, we take a city, we had a combat, a hundred and fifteen insurgents are killed. You read those stories. It's shades of Vietnam again, folks, body counts...

You know what I told him? I said, fella, I said: you've complained to the captain. He knows you think they committed murder. Your troops know their fellow soldiers committed murder. Shut up. Just shut up. Get through your tour and just shut up. You're going to get a bullet in the back. You don't need that. And that's where we are with this war.

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This the same journalist who uncovered torture at Abu Gharib.

Oct 14th, 2004, 08:16 PM
I can't say I'm surprised, but no major American media outlet would dare report this. In this country, 'free press' means you're free to do whatever the govenrment says you can. If pictures weren't available on the internet, the Abu Ghraib story never would have broken. The best that will come of this is that Tom Brokaw will say, 'we asked the government and they say it isn't true'.

Think of all the people who insisted that there was no such thing as AMerican polica assaulting Blacks before Rodney King. That happens all the tie, but only with vidoe-tape does anything ever happen.

We have 140,000 troops in Iraq. There hasn't been ONE report of a rape in over a year in any major American media. That beggars reason. How many AMerican soldiers have youheard of being accused of theft in the American media? But rape and theft are facts of war. Does that make them not news? No.

Bloggers are going to force the hand of the American media sooner or later. The major media will HAVE to begin actually covering the news again, or fade into irrevelancy. But I doubt it wil be sooner.

Oct 14th, 2004, 09:51 PM
I'm not surprised at all. That just makes few more Arabs become :explode: .