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Volcana
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:10 AM
MSNBC 401171 voters (11:19pm 10-08-04)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

74% Kerry
26% Bush

Dem supporters could be bum-rushing this poll. Not saying it's happening, but last debate, the early numbers were 75% Kerry, and after 48 hours they were 'only' 60% Kerry.
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ABCNews.com (11:10pm 10-08-04)
(No figure provided on number or type of voters)

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/NotedNow/Noted_Now.html

44% KERRY
41% BUSH
13% TIE

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CBSNews.com (11:15pm 10-08-04)
(No figure provided on number or type of voters)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/politics/main648157.shtml

88.04% Kerry
11.61% Bush
00.36: Draw
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CNN.com (11:21pm 10-08-04)
(89328 votes)

http://cnn.com/ (Look for QuickVote on the lower right of the page)

83% Kerry
16% Bush
2% Even


Foxnews.com (1:27pm 10-08-04)
(65,529 total votes )

http://www.foxnews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/) (Look for 'On the record' on the lower right of the page)

70% Kerry
30% Bush

Volcana
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Volcana, these organized phonatons are not polls! :rolleyes:Actually, polls are EXACTLY what they are. What they aren't is a measure of how voters actually reacted to the joint-media-appearance-but-we'll-call-it-a-debate.

Forgive me deleting the other thread. It was redundant.

I Love Sharapova
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:40 AM
I did not perceive Kerry as being that dominant in the debate tonight.While Bush did not have a stellar performance,it was much better than the one he gave a week ago.

Circe
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:03 AM
i missed the major part of the debate (long day at work) but ILS is right, Bush seemed to be much better today. looked relaxed and confdent. but i'll have to see the whole debate later when i can to get a proper perspective.

justinDisco
Oct 9th, 2004, 11:07 AM
As a Canadian who cannot vote in the US Election but interested in what happens, I can't believe people think Bush is a good debater. He can barely put a full sentence together and he's not articulate at all. I'm not saying his beliefs and opinions are not valid, but when it comes to talking in front of a camera, John Kerry leaves Bush in the dust.

AjdeNate!
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:23 PM
Kerry clearly won and there is one reason.
1. John Kerry can form and articulate a complete thought in a complete sentence.

Martian Jeza
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:34 PM
I Understood much better what Kerry said than what Bush Said ( Bush can't articulate but what can you wait from a dumb guy ? ). Bush keeps deny the truth, keeps undermine Europe, etc. He always spoke about Berlusconi and Tony Blair but at the next election in their country they will be beaten for sure.

Come on John, even if I'm not an American, you have my full support !

*JR*
Oct 9th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Actually, polls are EXACTLY what they are. What they aren't is a measure of how voters actually reacted to the joint-media-appearance-but-we'll-call-it-a-debate.
Wrong (and I thought Kerry won, BTW). In a real poll, "they call you". In fact, MSNBC's Chris Matthews himself used the words "non-scientific" to describe it. CNN's "snap poll" (done as real polls are) had Kerry winning by 47-45 percent.

Volcana
Oct 9th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Wrong (and I thought Kerry won, BTW). In a real poll, "they call you".Wrong. or perhaps more accurately, you ignore an awful lot of things that are quite legitemately 'polls' EVERY election is a poll. 'Poll', is, actually, rather a long listing at Dictionary.com. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=poll

However the very first listing, you will note, is NOT a case of 'they call you'. It is 'the casting and registering of votes'.

*JR*
Oct 9th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Wrong. or perhaps more accurately, you ignore an awful lot of things that are quite legitemately 'polls' EVERY election is a poll. 'Poll', is, actually, rather a long listing at Dictionary.com. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=poll

However the very first listing, you will note, is NOT a case of 'they call you'. It is 'the casting and registering of votes'.True. But the ballot is open for about 14 hours most places. A call-in like MSNBC's may reflect enthusiasm, but on Election Day, they don't weigh votes by that. So lets use the word "survey" if you prefer. (They... call... you).

Meesh
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:01 PM
I missed the first debate and the VP debate. I liked this format of voters asking the questions. Like some of the other posters stated... Kerry was more articulate. I just didn't like much of what he said. I think Kerry is in la la land if he thinks France and other countries are suddenly going to roll over and help us do anything in the Middle East.

wta_zuperfann
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Even the Fox poll shows him winning by a huge margin.


A win for Kerry is a win for the USA + the world! :)

CC
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:39 PM
George Bush said he made a mistake in some of the appointments he made: I wish I could know who he is talking about. Watching this man in the way he talks, his body language, the way he jokes or laughs in that rather devilish way is very telling. He has his personal ideas of what a country's culture should be, and even what the world's culture should be. These are his personal ideals based on his religious convictions and whatever distorted moral compass he lives by. His attitude tells me he wants to enforce these convictions so long as power to do so rests in his hands. I think the only reason he wishes he could change some of his appointments is because they disagree with his views. After last night's debate my sister called me and said, "I am pro-life, and the way Senator Kerry answered the question on giving advice to a young girl about abortion would have won him my vote." That is, a person in power, the president, should never legislate what is an article of faith for himself. George Bush believes in a certain way of life and while he is in a position to do so, he will make sure we believe in it too.

Hulet
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:00 PM
Wow, both Kerry and Bush improved from their awful showing on the last debate. Bush was able to control his emotions better and didn't leave Kerry a lot of room to ambush him. Actually, on some of domestic issues, Bush was successful on attacking Kerry's plans, for example, where he question how Kerry is going to pay for all the promises. Overall, better performance from Bush. He seem more prepared for this debate.

Unfortunately for Bush, Kerry also improved from the last debate. I like his style and how he stares down Bush. :) One special moment where I was impressed was, when Bush claimed that sanctions weren't working, Kerry rebutted right after by mentioning the recent CIA report about how Saddam didn't have a WMD.

Anyways, this debate clearly show how the two men think: for Kerry, every issue appears complex, with no clear right or wrong; but, for Bush, that ain't so: every issue for him is "simple": either you are on a good side or on the bad, on the righteous or evil side - there is no middle ground. Unfortunately for Kerry, I think most of Americans think in similar manner to Bush.

Scotso
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Bush has no room to ask Kerry how he's going to pay for his plans. Did you happen to notice the huge deficit Bush has us in? Obviously he has no clue how to pay for things.

I was going to vote for Badnarik, but Kerry won me over in this debate. He seems so presidential and just really seems to know what he's talking about.

Bush looked arrogant and stupid yet again. His annoying facial expressions make me ill. He doesn't ack like a president, and he doesn't deserve to be one.

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Wow, both Kerry and Bush improved from their awful showing on the last debate. Bush was able to control his emotions better and didn't leave Kerry a lot of room to ambush him. Actually, on some of domestic issues, Bush was successful on attacking Kerry's plans, for example, where he question how Kerry is going to pay for all the promises. Overall, better performance from Bush. He seem more prepared for this debate.

Unfortunately for Bush, Kerry also improved from the last debate. I like his style and how he stares down Bush. :) One special moment where I was impressed was, when Bush claimed that sanctions weren't working, Kerry rebutted right after by mentioning the recent CIA report about how Saddam didn't have a WMD.

Anyways, this debate clearly show how the two men think: for Kerry, every issue appears complex, with no clear right or wrong; but, for Bush, that ain't so: every issue for him is "simple": either you are on a good side or on the bad, on the righteous or evil side - there is no middle ground. Unfortunately for Kerry, I think most of Americans think in similar manner to Bush.

excellent analysis!!!i dont agree on everything, but i can see how you came to your conclusion :)

njguido11
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:52 PM
Bush has no room to ask Kerry how he's going to pay for his plans. Did you happen to notice the huge deficit Bush has us in? Obviously he has no clue how to pay for things.

I was going to vote for Badnarik, but Kerry won me over in this debate. He seems so presidential and just really seems to know what he's talking about.

Bush looked arrogant and stupid yet again. His annoying facial expressions make me ill. He doesn't ack like a president, and he doesn't deserve to be one.

I will never understand the Bush looks arrogant. I get the whole Bush comes of as un arritculate or how you all and high and mighty wtaworld board members call him dumb. BUT arrogant am i looking at the same person?? John Kerry is a walking and talking plastic artificial arrogant man. Even the media who hate bushs policies have always said hes a much more likeable person.

Mrs. Peel
Oct 9th, 2004, 07:00 PM
Kerry clearly won and there is one reason.
1. John Kerry can form and articulate a complete thought in a complete sentence.
:lol: basically...when Bush talks he is struggling to formulate words even talking in the most simplistic of terms. It's like you can hear the rusty mechanism that is his brain squeaking and grinding, trying to work. I can't but cringe when he talks....if he could please PLEASE pronounce the word think consistantly...what is it? Think or thank? :tape: He even said it using both pronunciations in the same sentence....that is a BIG pet peeve!!!! How can you talk about education when you are that inarticulate?

CooCooCachoo
Oct 9th, 2004, 07:05 PM
I saw it and, though Bush wasn't as bad as I thought he would be, he wasn't good.. And Kerry did well. So yeah, he should lead these polls with such a difference.

*JR*
Oct 9th, 2004, 10:26 PM
George Bush said he made a mistake in some of the appointments he made: I wish I could know who he is talking about. That was a thinly veiled potshot @ his first Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill (whose book after he was fired asserted how Cheney said that deficits don't matter, and how the Iraq War was planned way in advance of the breakdown of inspections).

Shane54
Oct 10th, 2004, 06:32 AM
Let's face it. This race is 50-50. If you are a Kerry supporter then you will say he won the debate. If you are Republican then Bush won. I found neither one won hands down.

CC
Oct 10th, 2004, 06:35 AM
That was a thinly veiled potshot @ his first Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill (whose book after he was fired asserted how Cheney said that deficits don't matter, and how the Iraq War was planned way in advance of the breakdown of inspections).
Ahh ... I hope he doesn't get re-elected so people will speak up and reveal all his evil behind the scenes deals. :devil:

Shane54
Oct 10th, 2004, 06:35 AM
Kerry claims he won't raise taxes but he wants all these cutsie cutsie programs? Mr. Kerry how will they be funded? Just tell us the truth. ........But he speaks so well :rolleyes: :rolleyes: