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Cam'ron Giles
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:10 AM
Why is it that we cant come up with a viable female candidate for president? So many other countries can :confused:

GBFH
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:12 AM
because women are smart enough to not want the job :lol:

but dad says hillary clinton is hoping kerry will lose so she can run in 2008

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:13 AM
Margaret Thatcher was indeed a great man :tape:

esquímaux
Oct 9th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Well Carol Mosley Brauns was a candidate this year, but she dropped out early in support of Kerry. Fact of the matter is the U.S. is FAR FROM having a prominent female candidate. Sure the younger generations are diverse and open-minded, but you have to remember the era from which the ones in high power are from. Maybe when they die off, and the younger generation of open-minded individuals come into power, things MIGHT change.

AjdeNate!
Oct 9th, 2004, 03:53 AM
Well Carol Mosley Brauns was a candidate this year, but she dropped out early in support of Kerry. Fact of the matter is the U.S. is FAR FROM having a prominent female candidate. Sure the younger generations are diverse and open-minded, but you have to remember the era from which the ones in high power are from. Maybe when they die off, and the younger generation of open-minded individuals come into power, things MIGHT change.
While I heart CMB..... there's no way she was ever getting elected. Too many skeletons in her closet. :sad: She's a wonderful Ambassador and a great orator and motivator, but she has made choices that make her unviable.

Just elect Oprah. Everyone loves Harpo, eh? ;)

CC
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:16 AM
because women are smart enough to not want the job :lol:

but dad says hillary clinton is hoping kerry will lose so she can run in 2008
If she is hoping he will lose she's hiding it well. She just made a spirited endorsement of his abilities and plans on Larry King.

GBFH
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:25 AM
If she is hoping he will lose she's hiding it well. She just made a spirited endorsement of his abilities and plans on Larry King.
:lol:

LindsayRulez
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:47 AM
Hilary!!!!!

Monique
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:51 AM
If she is hoping he will lose she's hiding it well. She just made a spirited endorsement of his abilities and plans on Larry King.
yes, she did... as expected ;)! but when asked if we were to see former President Clinton out on campaign for Kerry soon, she went out on a long verbiage about medical orders and recommendations that sounded like excuses, instead of just stating something as simple as "as soon as possible" ....:D ;)

kiwifan
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:54 AM
I think the type of woman who wins the respect of her male counterparts is the kind of woman other women don't want to vote for...

...the no non-sense ball breaker type. :cool:

Politics behind the scenes is such a dirty business; only a woman who can "play the game" is going to rise to the level of consideration. You have to lie to people's faces and have them thank you for it...

...and choose to vote to keep you in office. :lol:

Its hard to play the game without coming out of it dirty if you're not a White Rich Male.

It would take a woman of unshakeable integrity (female Guliani mob busting type) or a woman of teflon priviledge (a daughter of a major politician).

I don't think that person is out there yet...

...although its foreseeable that there will be a female Vice Prez as soon as 2008 if Dubya loses. :angel:

GBFH
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:56 AM
:angel:

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:44 AM
Why is it that we cant come up with a viable female candidate for president? So many other countries can :confused:

many americans dont even believe a woman should have a right to an abortation, even when its the result of rape,

hell, one in four women in america is raped before she dies,

this isnt the most woman -friendly of nations.

I Love Sharapova
Oct 9th, 2004, 05:51 AM
because women are smart enough to not want the job :lol:

but dad says hillary clinton is hoping kerry will lose so she can run in 2008
You know what? I think your dad is correct. I do believe that Hillary to some degree hopes Kerry loses the election.If anyone thinks that Hilary doesn't have her eyes on the prize for 2008,they have some serious re-evaluations to do.

Rollo
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM
Jigglypuff wrote: many americans dont even believe a woman should have a right to an abortion, even when its the result of rape, hell, one in four women in america is raped before she dies,this isnt the most woman -friendly of nationsHuh? MOST Americans-even those who disagree with abortion, agree it's OK in cases of rape. At least the US is still debating about the value of human life-isn't that a good thing?

And-gomenasai, shitsureshimasu-but when has Japan been such a "woman-friendly" country? I lived there, and while I loved it a lot it is in no way paradise for women. Male chauvinism is so bad that many young women aren't even bothering to get married.

And the "1 in 4" women will be raped" figure includes date rape, a concept still unheard of in many nations.

Sorry again there going off on a whole country-but those in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:12 AM
Margaret Thatcher was indeed a great man :tape:

Funny, I have just been badrepped for that comment guess they are not Scottish and gay.

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:13 AM
It was jigglypuff who badrepped me that girl needs to learn some geography and history! Or maybe a bit of humanity!

Rollo
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:31 AM
To return to Cam'rons question:

It all boils down the military Cam'ron. In the United States we've fought so many wars that we expect our leaders to be able to be "tough".

Which means the first female US president will probably be a "Tough" Republican "Thatcher" type rather than a "soft" Democrat.

Which is why if Bush wins this election you'll see Hilary Clinton get a lot "tougher" as she tries to get the prsidency in 2008.

I predict it will be a tough sell on her part.

As for why other nations have female leaders-3 reasons.
#1

Many nations with female leaders are what I call "dynastic democracies". Female leaders in those countries got to the top because their fathers or husbands were leaders. This includes most Asian female leaders:Indira Gandhi, Bhutto, Aquino, Sukarnoputri, both women in Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka's female leaders. Often the men are killed and women step into their shoes. The US has (for the most part-Bush is an exception) avoided dynastic democracy.

The second factor is precedent. Nations with one sucessful female leader find it easier to stomach a second. Many argue Thatcher was possible because of Britain's previous female queens. This is a convincing argument to me.

Finally, women can turn gender to their advantage when social or economic issues are top concerns. Thus countries where military matters are unimportant (most of Europe) hace found it easier to elect women at the top.

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 06:37 AM
To return to Cam'rons question:

It all boils down the military Cam'ron. In the United States we've fought so many wars that we expect our leaders to be able to be "tough".

Which means the first female US president will probably be a "Tough" Republican "Thatcher" type rather than a "soft" Democrat.

Which is why if Bush wins this election you'll see Hilary Clinton get a lot "tougher" as she tries to get the prsidency in 2008.

I predict it will be a tough sell on her part.

As for why other nations have female leaders-3 reasons.
#1

Many nations with female leaders are what I call "dynastic democracies". Female leaders in those countries got to the top because their fathers or husbands were leaders. This includes most Asian female leaders:Indira Gandhi, Bhutto, Aquino, Sukarnoputri, both women in Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka's female leaders. Often the men are killed and women step into their shoes. The US has (for the most part-Bush is an exception) avoided dynastic democracy.

The second factor is precedent. Nations with one sucessful female leader find it easier to stomach a second. Many argue Thatcher was possible because of Britain's previous female queens. This is a convincing argument to me.

Finally, women can turn gender to their advantage when social or economic issues are top concerns. Thus countries where military matters are unimportant (most of Europe) hace found it easier to elect women at the top.

Thatcher was elected 3 times in government but yet never reached over 50% in overall majority she was the biggest argument for changing the British electoral system. For any women out there in other countries who think she did something for women in politics she did nothing she never promoted or helped women in anyway.

Rollo
Oct 9th, 2004, 07:43 AM
she never promoted or helped women in anyway.
That's a fair statement Shenanigans. She simply ignored the gender issue altogether-promoting herself as an individual who made gender irrelevent. Like her or hate her it was a smart decision on her part.

decemberlove
Oct 9th, 2004, 07:45 AM
And the "1 in 4" women will be raped" figure includes date rape, a concept still unheard of in many nations.
what exactly are you trying to get at here?

i don't want to jump to any conclusions :)

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 08:28 AM
Jigglypuff wrote: Huh? MOST Americans-even those who disagree with abortion, agree it's OK in cases of rape. At least the US is still debating about the value of human life-isn't that a good thing?

And-gomenasai, shitsureshimasu-but when has Japan been such a "woman-friendly" country? I lived there, and while I loved it a lot it is in no way paradise for women. Male chauvinism is so bad that many young women aren't even bothering to get married.

And the "1 in 4" women will be raped" figure includes date rape, a concept still unheard of in many nations.

Sorry again there going off on a whole country-but those in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

1-i didnt say "most" i said "many" YOU SAID MOST, not me, so i will not defend something i NEVER said
2-i dont live in a japan, or as you call it "a glass house" :lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: but it ALWAYS amuses me how people attack UNDULY, and UNRELATED an ENTIRE nation, because of a selection on a drop down menu. when, usually, they cant make a valid arguement.
3-the occurance of reported rape in japan, is FAR FAR FAR short of that in the US. now there are a number of reasons this might be and i wont suggest that anyone is more likely than any other i will just list them
-rape is simply not common in japan
-rape is not reported as much as it is in other nations
-sexual abuse (such as that reported on busy subways) does not always include the "rape act" itself, but the abuse remains present
4-yes, "date rape" is "unheard" of many countries, (often because the concept of "dating" unheard" of)
and anyone who has even a passing knowlegde of "date rape" or sexual assualt at all, knows that "date rape" is relatively rare, and (see this time i am saying) MOST (and this time you can say i said it), MOST, not even most the vast majority of sexual assualt cases are those in which the attacker knows the victim well. but of course you knew that. so that brings to mind the question of why you mentioned date rape at all? what was your point again?

5-as for the ignorant and childish comment that because japan is "Male chauvinist" some how that means that america and americans dont have to be held responisble for how they treat women and for why 1 in 4 american women is raped (or as you said "those in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks"), is not only off-topic, immature, completely without any merit, stupid, petty, ridiculous and not to mention just plain cruel and unjust to the women here in america who have to deal with sexual abuse on a scale some may not even imagine!

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 08:46 AM
and because it is unlike me post something without the facts here are the numbers:
According to a year 2000 Gallup Poll:
-Most American adults (51%) currently believe that abortions should be legal under some circumstances.

-28% believe that abortions should be legal under all circumstances.
-19% believe that they should be always illegal -- even to save the life of the woman.
EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE, which was my point in the first place!
77% of those who believe abortions should not be legal are men.


19% of americans seems like "MANY" to me.

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:11 AM
That's a fair statement Shenanigans. She simply ignored the gender issue altogether-promoting herself as an individual who made gender irrelevent. Like her or hate her it was a smart decision on her part.

Personally I hate the old cow, her father was a great man but her mother a weak boring old housewife, she loves her son but her daughter! Who knows!

"Sluggy"
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:31 AM
Jigglypuff wrote: Huh? MOST Americans-even those who disagree with abortion, agree it's OK in cases of rape. At least the US is still debating about the value of human life-isn't that a good thing?

And-gomenasai, shitsureshimasu-but when has Japan been such a "woman-friendly" country? I lived there, and while I loved it a lot it is in no way paradise for women. Male chauvinism is so bad that many young women aren't even bothering to get married.

And the "1 in 4" women will be raped" figure includes date rape, a concept still unheard of in many nations.

Sorry again there going off on a whole country-but those in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

dont take him seriously Rollo. Ive decided that JigglyPuff just likes to get people, especially happy Republican males all hot and bothered. Perhaps a closeted angry person? :confused: Nothing that a good baddling couldnt correct. :devil: And bullshit, The United States takes pretty good care of their women. :angel: Come to new york and take a good look at the Statue of Liberty... it will remind you that America is a nation dedicated to women, and gives them the freedom and nurturing that women need to define themselves as new-age feminity takes shape in the modern world. The US is a caring parent for all women. Im not saying that the United States babies its women, but i can proudly say that no woman is left behind, and any woman could become president if she respects the laws of the nation, and doesnt act like and angry fool.

decemberlove
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:38 AM
dont take him seriously Rollo. Ive decided that JigglyPuff just likes to get people, especially happy Republican males all hot and bothered. Perhaps a closeted angry person? :confused: Nothing that a good baddling couldnt correct. :devil: And bullshit, The United States takes pretty good care of their women. :angel: Come to new york and take a good look at the Statue of Liberty... it will remind you that America is a nation dedicated to women, and gives them the freedom and nurturing that women need to define themselves as new-age feminity takes shape in the modern world. The US is a caring parent for all women. Im not saying that the United States babies its women, but i can proudly say that no woman is left behind, and any woman could become president if she respects the laws of the nation, and doesnt act like and angry fool.
oh, great care.

that's why women with equal or more experience than men in the same field are paid less. and while the men age, their pay increases, a woman's tends to linger around the same numbers she was making in her mid to late thirties.

but we treat our women as equals.

yes, im sure if there was a woman who respected the laws of the nation and didnt act like an angry fool, the US would vote for her. right.

"Sluggy"
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:39 AM
many americans dont even believe a woman should have a right to an abortation, even when its the result of rape,

hell, one in four women in america is raped before she dies,

this isnt the most woman -friendly of nations.

And which is the most woman friendly of nations, Searchlight? And if the United States of America is say 14th on the list as the most friendly of nations, isnt that enough? Why do we have to be the most friendly? Am i permitted to say that in reading your posts, Ive come to the conclusion that you like to act like a Kamakazi? And if I am right, what if you inspire someone to be just as angry than you, or worse? What if someone who actually likes their nation, becomes as angry as you seem to be? Wouldnt that be wonderful? Its people like you that make me want to become a closeted Republican. Im sending in my absentee ballot today and believe it or not, Im conflicted now, I was surely going to vote for Kerry, but if it will piss you off, I might just vote for George W. Bush :hearts: even though i disagree with just about everything he says. Get real, and become a mainstream democrat.... or just vote, but spare the rest of us liberals your agony. :devil:

Shenanigans
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:41 AM
dont take him seriously Rollo. Ive decided that JigglyPuff just likes to get people, especially happy Republican males all hot and bothered. Perhaps a closeted angry person? :confused: Nothing that a good baddling couldnt correct. :devil: And bullshit, The United States takes pretty good care of their women. :angel: Come to new york and take a good look at the Statue of Liberty... it will remind you that America is a nation dedicated to women, and gives them the freedom and nurturing that women need to define themselves as new-age feminity takes shape in the modern world. The US is a caring parent for all women. Im not saying that the United States babies its women, but i can proudly say that no woman is left behind, and any woman could become president if she respects the laws of the nation, and doesnt act like and angry fool.

Get real, you live in France, It was them who gave the US the Statue of Liberty and let's face it they are not going to have a female president any sooner than the USA.

Athena
Oct 9th, 2004, 09:54 AM
Why is it that we cant come up with a viable female candidate for president? So many other countries can :confused:

we cannot come up with one either :(

flyingmachine
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:29 PM
Get real, you live in France, It was them who gave the US the Statue of Liberty and let's face it they are not going to have a female president any sooner than the USA.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

OUT!
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:36 PM
It was jigglypuff who badrepped me that girl needs to learn some geography and history! Or maybe a bit of humanity!No jigglypuff is great, it's just your joke wasn't that funny :o

OUT!
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:41 PM
And which is the most woman friendly of nations, Searchlight? Sweden :)

Kart
Oct 9th, 2004, 01:44 PM
hell, one in four women in america is raped before she dies,

Gosh is that really true ?

That's a lot.

bee
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:14 PM
We just elected a Female President... Pres. Arroyo :)
When all else fails.. elect a woman...

Meesh
Oct 9th, 2004, 02:23 PM
I think Elizabeth Dole would be a better choice then Hillary.

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 03:44 PM
dont take him seriously Rollo. Ive decided that JigglyPuff just likes to get people, especially happy Republican males all hot and bothered. Perhaps a closeted angry person? :confused: Nothing that a good baddling couldnt correct. :devil: And bullshit, The United States takes pretty good care of their women. :angel: Come to new york and take a good look at the Statue of Liberty... it will remind you that America is a nation dedicated to women, and gives them the freedom and nurturing that women need to define themselves as new-age feminity takes shape in the modern world. The US is a caring parent for all women. Im not saying that the United States babies its women, but i can proudly say that no woman is left behind, and any woman could become president if she respects the laws of the nation, and doesnt act like and angry fool.

i am a girl.

and dont suck your own dick too much,

posting that one in four women will be raped has nothing to do "republicans" really? as i have taken to saying:
is your brain on vacation?

Helen Lawson
Oct 9th, 2004, 03:53 PM
I'd like to be the first Oscar winner to be President, but I have too much going against me:
(1) I'm 86
(2) I've been divorced once, widowed another time. Both died from liver disease due to drinking.
(3) I smoke.
(4) I take an excessive number of yellow ones each day, washed down with champagne.
(5) I have no experience in politics and have never held any public office.
(6) I have not held any leadership positions within the movie or Broadway industries.

Maybe Neely could run, she was SAG president!

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:05 PM
Gosh is that really true ?

That's a lot.

yes it is. the number that is most often qouted is 1 in 4. although there is new data that is suggesting 1 in 3. its scary but not untrue, in spite some idiot assesment that i posted the number to bring down the "happy republicans" i have worked i number of times with a number of different organizations that help survivors and sexually abuse women. and i am not at all suprised at the numbers.

i've talked to women where every female in a household was being, or had been sexually abused. and when you think about the fact that
less than 2% of sexual abusers ever serve any time in jail at all. and that rape and sexual abuse are "serial" crimes, that is to say that someone will continue to repeat the crime until they are rehabilitated and or imprisoned. that coupled with the fact that any woman (or girl, regards how young she is) who accuses any man or other woman of sexual abuse is usually assumed (and treated as if) she is liying or mis interperting the situation,

it because very easy to see who so much sexual abuse is possible.

hell just think about what went on in the church. and just like the sexual abuse in the church, its a very small number of people abusing a very large number of women, children.

its sad and frustration, and always the first thing i think about when people talk about justice for woman in america. :sad:

Wigglytuff
Oct 9th, 2004, 04:21 PM
And which is the most woman friendly of nations, Searchlight? And if the United States of America is say 14th on the list as the most friendly of nations, isnt that enough? Why do we have to be the most friendly? Am i permitted to say that in reading your posts, Ive come to the conclusion that you like to act like a Kamakazi? And if I am right, what if you inspire someone to be just as angry than you, or worse? What if someone who actually likes their nation, becomes as angry as you seem to be? Wouldnt that be wonderful? Its people like you that make me want to become a closeted Republican. Im sending in my absentee ballot today and believe it or not, Im conflicted now, I was surely going to vote for Kerry, but if it will piss you off, I might just vote for George W. Bush :hearts: even though i disagree with just about everything he says. Get real, and become a mainstream democrat.... or just vote, but spare the rest of us liberals your agony. :devil:

whatever.

if you think that women should not be free from rape, or that people shoud not know how often it happens, i dont really have response for that.

as the idea that only liberals want people to work to stop rape, YOU need to think carefully before YOU make that arguement, because that is an agruement i would never and have never made.

as for the number of people who feel abortions should be illegal even in cases where the mother might die or the girl is 14 years and was raped by her father, i dont care what thier afficiation is that shows a great lack of respect for women and for the children they are pregnant with.

"Sluggy"
Oct 10th, 2004, 02:59 PM
My apologies GigglyPuff, based on past posts i made the mistaken assumption that you were just an angry man. Apparently that is not the case. Ive never done what you suggest to myself, and I think that you are OVER THE LINE with your comment. Now to cast me as a person who doesnt acknowledge the dangers of sexual abuse committed by men is entirely unfair. If i got through the educational system to the level i have it is not by supporting the abuse or mistreatment of women. And if im approaching my 10 year anniversary and have spawned offspring it is not to see some evil man snatch it away from me. I said earlier in this thread that the United States treats its women well, i didnt say the best compared to all nations. If Sweden has better services and opportunities im sure it is because of factors that do not exist in the United States. WE got a lot of sexual abusers in America and i dont blame the system for creating these caracters. Every nation has its evils people and rapists etc. and I am certainly a person that would stand up to them so you are preaching to the converted.

!<blocparty>!
Oct 10th, 2004, 05:55 PM
the best american female who should run is the one and only...

OPRAH!

She would be amazing :cool:

Bacardi
Oct 10th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Why is it that we cant come up with a viable female candidate for president? So many other countries can :confused:

Because of blind, backwards, hypocritical, anti-feminist people in office like Bush!

I think a woman could do a hell of a lot better job than men do at this job. It's a proven fact we're more intelligent, and sensible. Then again, leave it to the men, then when they ruin the world, we know just who to blame. :lol:

RVD
Oct 10th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Why is it that we cant come up with a viable female candidate for president? So many other countries can :confused:Great question, but very complex to answer. And of course, this is just my opinion.

As many have already stated, the Unite States isn't a very woman-friendly country.
But more specifically, the Constitution was framed in a way that doesn't allow for easy change. Heck, consider the fact that during it's writing, the framers had an incredible opportunity to do SO MUCH good and stop so many evils. One being to allow women to be considered 1st class citizens, and as such allow them to vote. But instead chose to maintain power within the confines of, shall we say, “those considered more fit to lead.”

It wasn't until a few short decades ago that women could vote in this country. And then decades after that for women of color (I added women of color because Black women weren't even considered human [as well as the men] much less women, and as such weren't even considered) in the initial changes. Anyway, to this day, those same ideologies of 'women can't lead'; 'aren't strong, tough, or smart enough', still persist. But like many other evils in this country, these prejudices are successfully masked.

Interesting how the United States floats the word 'Freedom' throughout the world, yet refuses to totally embrace the meaning itself, isn't it?

The United States is a very young republic still, and is centuries behind the more forward-thinking countries that do allow for female leadership.

Then again, the reason could also be as simple as the White male macho psyche not being able to withstand the HUGE hit of allowing themselves to be led by the supposed weaker sex. *shrugs*

A GREAT test will be if and when Hillary does run in 2012 (as she has so often stated). That will be the single most significant test in American politics for the new millenium, imho.

Otherwise, I'd give the U.S. a few more centuries and we may see a spark of change that may lead to a female president one day. Or at least that is my hope. :)

Dave B
Oct 10th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I believe we will see a female president in the next few decades, but not Hillary. Mostly because I think she will be a repulbican. Many people who would want a woman president are already democrats, so the republicans would be pulling a brilliant political move if they nominated one--they could get most of their party base and a lot of t he swing voter soccer moms. One to watch: Kay Baily Hutchison.

RVD
Oct 10th, 2004, 09:45 PM
yes it is. the number that is most often qouted is 1 in 4. although there is new data that is suggesting 1 in 3. its scary but not untrue, in spite some idiot assesment that i posted the number to bring down the "happy republicans" i have worked i number of times with a number of different organizations that help survivors and sexually abuse women. and i am not at all suprised at the numbers.

i've talked to women where every female in a household was being, or had been sexually abused. and when you think about the fact that
less than 2% of sexual abusers ever serve any time in jail at all. and that rape and sexual abuse are "serial" crimes, that is to say that someone will continue to repeat the crime until they are rehabilitated and or imprisoned. that coupled with the fact that any woman (or girl, regards how young she is) who accuses any man or other woman of sexual abuse is usually assumed (and treated as if) she is liying or mis interperting the situation,

it because very easy to see who so much sexual abuse is possible.

hell just think about what went on in the church. and just like the sexual abuse in the church, its a very small number of people abusing a very large number of women, children.

its sad and frustration, and always the first thing i think about when people talk about justice for woman in america. :sad:I must say, Jigglypuff, that what you just related is an unfortunate truth. Of all the females in my life, I know of only one that hasn't been molested/raped on some level...my 8 year old daughter. And my wife and I have already set in motion her entering a very good martial arts class.

Just 2 weeks ago, a grandmother of 5 confided in me of a rape that took place when she was a little girl. It was her uncle who commited this act against her (AND HER BROTEHRS!) :eek: Anyway, she is in her mid-70's and still trying to deal with it. I don't know why women pick me to tell these things to, but it's incredible how many have! My God. I have two sisters, and they've both been raped. As well as my wife.
Unfortunately, my understanding is since it's not happening as much to the men, it's not considered a major problem. But let it reach 1 in 3 with men, and there will be laws up the yang to stop these acts.

Oh, and one last thing that I was surprised to discover.
Most rapes are committed by family members! :eek: Go figure.

*Karen*
Oct 10th, 2004, 10:11 PM
I don't think there will be a female president anytime soon. Not because America is sexist or anything, I just can't think of any candidates.

On the other subject of rape. I believe the figure is atleast 1 in 4, maybe even 1 in 3. The scary thing is most of the time it's someone you know and trust. How can you protect yourself against it. In Scotland it is increasingly date rape/drug rape. I think alot of rapes are because people don't understand that no means no. You also hear stories about men getting raped by other men. I think that male victims are far less likely to report it, so the figure will be alot higher than what it seems.

Wigglytuff
Oct 11th, 2004, 04:08 AM
My apologies GigglyPuff, based on past posts i made the mistaken assumption that you were just an angry man. Apparently that is not the case. Ive never done what you suggest to myself, and I think that you are OVER THE LINE with your comment. Now to cast me as a person who doesnt acknowledge the dangers of sexual abuse committed by men is entirely unfair. If i got through the educational system to the level i have it is not by supporting the abuse or mistreatment of women. And if im approaching my 10 year anniversary and have spawned offspring it is not to see some evil man snatch it away from me. I said earlier in this thread that the United States treats its women well, i didnt say the best compared to all nations. If Sweden has better services and opportunities im sure it is because of factors that do not exist in the United States. WE got a lot of sexual abusers in America and i dont blame the system for creating these caracters. Every nation has its evils people and rapists etc. and I am certainly a person that would stand up to them so you are preaching to the converted.

its not unfair, if my posts are exclusively about rape and sexually abuse, and you say that makes me some crazy person who who deseveres some sort of abuse????.

you MADE YOURSELF out to look like a sexist anti-woman fool. YOU did that not me. here see for yourself:

My first post:
many americans dont even believe a woman should have a right to an abortation, even when its the result of rape,

hell, one in four women in america is raped before she dies,

this isnt the most woman -friendly of nations.

YOUR RESPONSE:
dont take him seriously Rollo. Ive decided that JigglyPuff just likes to get people, especially happy Republican males all hot and bothered. Perhaps a closeted angry person? :confused: Nothing that a good baddling couldnt correct. :devil: ......

and the more you posted the nastier your messages got.

EDIT: i am not saying i am holding a gruding or anything like that, you should really just think about what you say before you post them.

Wigglytuff
Oct 11th, 2004, 04:17 AM
I must say, Jigglypuff, that what you just related is an unfortunate truth. Of all the females in my life, I know of only one that hasn't been molested/raped on some level...my 8 year old daughter. And my wife and I have already set in motion her entering a very good martial arts class.

Just 2 weeks ago, a grandmother of 5 confided in me of a rape that took place when she was a little girl. It was her uncle who commited this act against her (AND HER BROTEHRS!) :eek: Anyway, she is in her mid-70's and still trying to deal with it. I don't know why women pick me to tell these things to, but it's incredible how many have! My God. I have two sisters, and they've both been raped. As well as my wife.
Unfortunately, my understanding is since it's not happening as much to the men, it's not considered a major problem. But let it reach 1 in 3 with men, and there will be laws up the yang to stop these acts.

Oh, and one last thing that I was surprised to discover.
Most rapes are committed by family members! :eek: Go figure.

wow, i am sorry to hear about your wife, grandmother and basicly everywoman in your life. i am glad that your daught is in martial arts case.

and i agree that if it were happening more to men it would be a much much much bigger deal.
its an unfortunate truth as you say. other the doing the awareness that i have been doing just talking about it, its hard to figure out what to do about things like that.

also i think thats why i question just how woman friend this country is. i mean if this was really the best place to be a woman would this be happening?

"Sluggy"
Oct 11th, 2004, 09:06 AM
its not unfair, if my posts are exclusively about rape and sexually abuse, and you say that makes me some crazy person who who deseveres some sort of abuse????.

you MADE YOURSELF out to look like a sexist anti-woman fool. YOU did that not me. here see for yourself:

My first post:


YOUR RESPONSE:


and the more you posted the nastier your messages got.

EDIT: i am not saying i am holding a gruding or anything like that, you should really just think about what you say before you post them.


Alright alright. I said i apologize and i will apologize again. :sad: I dont want to get thrown off the board. Rape and abuse is a very sensitive issue and id rather shy away from it, i still dont understand how i get in the middle of abuse of women issues. :confused: All i did is disagree with your statement that the US is not a woman friendly country. Undeniably men do lots of bad things, but thats not because the US mistreats its women... individuals do that, not the country. I have no solution... cept what i was discussing with friends last night that being...stick all American highschool graduate heterosexual males in work / home domestication camps for 2 years, and then sell them off to women (if marriageable) and then their wives will be their Parol Officers :lol: I am going into hybernation for a bit, so accept my apology and i will avoid scrapes with you in the future. And by the way, i was just upset, I vote for Kerry.

Wigglytuff
Oct 11th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Alright alright. I said i apologize and i will apologize again. :sad: I dont want to get thrown off the board. Rape and abuse is a very sensitive issue and id rather shy away from it, i still dont understand how i get in the middle of abuse of women issues. :confused: All i did is disagree with your statement that the US is not a woman friendly country. Undeniably men do lots of bad things, but thats not because the US mistreats its women... individuals do that, not the country. I have no solution... cept what i was discussing with friends last night that being...stick all American highschool graduate heterosexual males in work / home domestication camps for 2 years, and then sell them off to women (if marriageable) and then their wives will be their Parol Officers :lol: I am going into hybernation for a bit, so accept my apology and i will avoid scrapes with you in the future. And by the way, i was just upset, I vote for Kerry.

you are not going to get thrown off the board dont be silly. it takes a lot to get kicked of this place.

i know you vote for kerry.

it was not my intention to drive you away, just to make you think about how you were coming of.

well anyway, i, and i am sure everyone else here accepts your apology.

"Sluggy"
Oct 11th, 2004, 07:59 PM
you are not going to get thrown off the board dont be silly. it takes a lot to get kicked of this place.

i know you vote for kerry.

it was not my intention to drive you away, just to make you think about how you were coming of.

well anyway, i, and i am sure everyone else here accepts your apology.

Good. I will be more sensitive especially in light of the statistics. :)

LindsayRocks89
Oct 13th, 2004, 03:06 AM
Hillary Clinton :worship:

Crazy Canuck
Oct 13th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Because of blind, backwards, hypocritical, anti-feminist people in office like Bush!

I think a woman could do a hell of a lot better job than men do at this job. It's a proven fact we're more intelligent, and sensible....

Um, no. It's not.