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shap_half
Oct 6th, 2004, 05:44 PM
With the holiday season coming up a lot of films are coming out that are just begging for Oscar nominations (Kidman in Birth, Bale in Machinist), I just wanna know what Helen Lawson and all the other posters who follow the film industry's biggest award what their feelings are regarding the last few women to have won Acting Oscars?

2003
BA - Charlize Theron for "Monster"
BSA - Renee Zellweger for "Cold Mountain"

2002
BA - Nicole Kidman for "The Hours"
BSA - Catherine Zeta-Jones for "Chicago"

2001
BA - Halle Berry for "Monster's Ball"
BSA - Jennifer Connelly for "A Beautiful Mind"

2000
BA - Julia Roberts for "Erin Brockavich"
BSA - Marcia Gay Harden for "Pollock"

1999
BA - Hillary Swank for "Boys Don't Cry"
BSA - Angelina Jolie for "Girl, Interrupted"

1998
BA - Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"
BSA - Dame Judi Dench for "Shakespreare In Love"

1997
BA - Helen Hunt for "As Good As It Gets"
BSA - Kim Basinger for "L.A. Confidential"

1996
BA - Frances McDormand for "Fargo"
BSA - Juliette Binoche for "The English Patient"

1995
BA - Susan Sarandon for "Dead Man Walking"
BSA - Mira Sorvino for "Mighty Aphrodite"

1994
BA- Jessica Lange for "Blue Sky"
BSA - Diane Wiest for "Bullets Over Broadway"

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 05:59 PM
I'm doing some rehearsals now, but I'll get more complete answers later. Short answer: They all suck and I'm way better than all of them.

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 06:07 PM
2003
BA - Charlize Theron for "Monster"
BSA - Renee Zellweger for "Cold Mountain"

Charlize was great, but it wasn't really an Oscar worthy role for winning. She captured the real woman, but she didn't have to actually DO the gas chamber scene like I did, she got off easy with the white light bullshit when she walks away. Getting ugly and playing a pathetic character is tough, but it's not that tough. I got pretty and made a ruthless killer appear downright nice. Now that's talent. She was the best of the year, but these days, that's not saying much.

I love Renee, hated Cold Mountain, she's so much better than that. She got screwed for Chicago. I expect big things from her!

2002
BA - Nicole Kidman for "The Hours"
BSA - Catherine Zeta-Jones for "Chicago

Kidman is ok, but all she did was put on a fake nose and act weird. Big deal. I voted for Renee and was NONE TOO HAPPY that Kidman got it. But Kidman wasn't terrible. Again, not bad, but that would have been laughed out of the theatres in the 50's.
Catherine Zeta-Jones is pure talent and gorgeous. I love her and I voted for her. She might be a total bitch in person, but she nailed Velma Kelly. Did I say how beautiful she is? I vote based on looks A LOT!

More later.....

Sally Struthers
Oct 6th, 2004, 07:17 PM
2001
BA - Halle Berry for "Monster's Ball"

Anyone who knocks boots with Billy Bob Thorton deserves an honorary oscar just for enduring that. I think Nicole should have won that year for Moulin Rouge.

BSA - Jennifer Connelly for "A Beautiful Mind"
Well it was better than Marisa Tomei getting #2 for In the Bedroom

2000
BA - Julia Roberts for "Erin Brockavich"
Boring movie. I didn't think she was so great in it but given the competition it was a done deal as soon as the nominations came out

BSA - Marcia Gay Harden for "Pollock"
I didn't see Pollock so I can't comment.

Sally Struthers
Oct 6th, 2004, 07:21 PM
1999
BA - Hillary Swank for "Boys Don't Cry"
I think Annette Benning should have won for American Beauty...

BSA - Angelina Jolie for "Girl, Interrupted"
Mira Sorvino #2 ?


1998
BA - Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"

Please... next

1997
BA - Helen Hunt for "As Good As It Gets"
I hate Helen Hunt. The bitch was riding Jack's coat tails. She should have stayed on TV where she belongs. That being said, I love As Good As It Gets. That one or LA Confidential should have won best picture over that Titanic bullshit. I would have given it to LA Confidential

BSA - Kim Basinger for "L.A. Confidential"
If being on screen for less than 10 minutes constitutes being a best supporting actress, Kim won in a landslide. Ooooo look at me! I can dress in a cloak and screw russel crowe all the while pretending to be Veronica Lake. Who the hell does she think she is impersonating a celebrity? Honestly... the nerve of some people.

shap_half
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:02 PM
Berry winning for Monster's Ball is blasphemy!!!! You've got women like Bjork (in Dancer in the Dark), Naomi Watts (in Mulholland Drive) who weren't even nominated. And why? Because Halle wanted to fuck both P. Diddy and Billy Bob Thorton??? She was the least deserving of all the nominees!

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:21 PM
Helen....I am glad someone posed this thread to you cause i have a question as well...(by the way, i find your opinions on all these actresses and the overall business of hollywood very entertaining although i have no idea who Helen Lawson is, i even did a search on yahoo just to brush up a bit, but feel free to PM me to give me more of your credits please!)

my question is, speaking of former Oscar Winners...this coming tuesday, Tatum Oneal (who i believe is still the youngest oscar winner ever?) has her autobiography coming out, saw her on Access Hollywood last night and she looks great (love that smoky/druggie raspy voice of hers) she still doesnt hold nothing back, if her book is 1/2 as good as her interviews, it should be a ripper....but what do you think of her chances of having a big part again in hollywood, and did she ever really show her true potentinal? Shes shown up recently in little parts like on Sex and the city and a week or so ago on Law and order CI...but isnt she better than that?

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:23 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0060540974.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpgHERES THE COVER..OUT NEXT TUESDAY...SHE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD....I AM A SUCKER FOR THESE TRASH AUTOBIOGRAPHYS....SHE HAS JOHN TO THANK FOR THE BOAT LOAD OF MONEY SHES GONNA MAKE NOW...IF HE HAD KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT AND NOT SPREAD HIS STORIES ABOUT HER IN HIS BOOK, SHE WOULDNT HAVE A BOOK DEAL TO BEGIN WITH

shap_half
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:27 PM
I tried IMDB and I could not find anyone named Helen Lawson. So if you want, Hel, you can also PM me and tell me who you are.

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:29 PM
I tried IMDB and I could not find anyone named Helen Lawson. So if you want, Hel, you can also PM me and tell me who you are.
so i'm not the only one who doesnt know? Why do i fear a diva out-rage attack soon?:eek: Dont go off Helen, at least not until you tell me your thoughts on Tatum

shap_half...Helen Lawson was a character in Valley of the Dolls...a movie in the 60s with patty duke (I think) and Sharon Tate (the lady the Manson Family murdered) other than that, i dont know?

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:33 PM
[QUOTE=Sally Struthers]1999
BA - Hillary Swank for "Boys Don't Cry"
I think Annette Benning should have won for American Beauty...

BSA - Angelina Jolie for "Girl, Interrupted"
Mira Sorvino #2 ?

I agree about Annette Benning...i thought she was awesome...we'll never hear from Hilary Skank again

also thought Frances Mcsomething from Fargo was a joke...hated the movie and hated her in it...anyone else would have been better although i dont even recall any other nominees

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Helen....I am glad someone posed this thread to you cause i have a question as well...(by the way, i find your opinions on all these actresses and the overall business of hollywood very entertaining although i have no idea who Helen Lawson is, i even did a search on yahoo just to brush up a bit, but feel free to PM me to give me more of your credits please!)

my question is, speaking of former Oscar Winners...this coming tuesday, Tatum Oneal (who i believe is still the youngest oscar winner ever?) has her autobiography coming out, saw her on Access Hollywood last night and she looks great (love that smoky/druggie raspy voice of hers) she still doesnt hold nothing back, if her book is 1/2 as good as her interviews, it should be a ripper....but what do you think of her chances of having a big part again in hollywood, and did she ever really show her true potentinal? Shes shown up recently in little parts like on Sex and the city and a week or so ago on Law and order CI...but isnt she better than that?
Darren: I'll let you in on a little Hollywood secret. Most actors and actresses are fucked up messes, egos out of control, totally insecure, mentally ill, and totally psycho. I'm not saying everyone, but I'd say a good 80%. Myself included. It's part of what it takes to make it in showbiz. This of course leads to chain smoking, massive drinking, out of control drug abuse, you name it. Tatum hasn't done a real good job covering this up or keeping it under control, but she's no different than probably 75% of Hollywood, only she's not discrete about it.

Tatum's career is washed up, hence this stupid book. She either needs money or publicity, or both, though I think she got a fortune from McEnroe. Child stars rarely make it big as adults. Neely O'Hara was an exception, though her adult success did not match her teen success, but at least it was still very good. I don't think she's tried that hard to work, either. I thought she was actually pretty good on Sex in the City, she's a good actress, but she's washed up. She's a haggard, drugged-out 40, it doesn't help!

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:01 PM
2001
BA - Halle Berry for "Monster's Ball"
BSA - Jennifer Connelly for "A Beautiful Mind"

Halle Berry, where do I start? Another "look like shit and be pathetic and I can get an Oscar" performance. Where the hell did glamor go? She was ok, she'll never do anything remotely decent again. Her chances for another Oscar are equal to like mine and Marlee Matlin's. I'm 86 and Marlee is deaf. You get the picture.
Jennifer Connelly was fine, I didn't vote for her, but it was ok. My standards for supporting actress are less, I can vote crazy and whimsy in this category (and have in the past).

2000
BA - Julia Roberts for "Erin Brockavich"
BSA - Marcia Gay Harden for "Pollock"
I really don't care for Julia Roberts. She's been in some decent stuff, but I didn't think Erin Brokovich was it. It was dumb and melodramatic, but at least she looked good. I mean, the push up bra, her hair always looked good, Julia at least kept it at a hottie level that i have to respect, given I won an Oscar for playing a woman on death row, all the while looking like I'd just left Elizabeth Arden.

Harden was really good in Pollack, low key, but really held the movie together. She's a good actress and been in some decent stuff.

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:07 PM
1999
BA - Hillary Swank for "Boys Don't Cry"
BSA - Angelina Jolie for "Girl, Interrupted"

This year sucked. I kind of wanted to vote for Bening, but it's tough playing a man when you're a dame, so I looked past the meager virtues and production values and shitty script of Boys Don't Cry and went with Swank. I'm a little disappointed her career hasn't really taken off, she's pretty decent looking. I guess she's a mediocre actress except when she's playing a man. Oh well, I guess we have the 90's Louise Fletcher!
Jolie was brilliant. Simply brilliant. Everyone I know voted for her. It was a flash in the pan/Iva Majoli-type win, but at least the broad's making big bucks now, even if her films suck. Again, I don't expect much from supporting actress winners.

1998
BA - Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"
BSA - Dame Judi Dench for "Shakespreare In Love"

Both are fabulous actresses and Paltrow is beautiful. I vote based on looks. A lot.

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:11 PM
1997
BA - Helen Hunt for "As Good As It Gets"
BSA - Kim Basinger for "L.A. Confidential"

They both sucked. I still can't believe Hunt was even nominated, it was such a crap performance. I guess I'm getting too old. Kim had good make-up and mastered the mysterious-yet-vulnerable look. Barf! L.A. Confidential was a great movie that could have been a classic. It should have ended tragically like Chinatown, and it would be a classic. Instead, they smacked on some happy bullshit ending and now it's just a sappy pile of crap.

1996
BA - Frances McDormand for "Fargo"
BSA - Juliette Binoche for "The English Patient"

I loved Fargo and voted for it across the board. It's the kind of non-traditional role that doesn't win Oscars, but I voted and she won!
Binoche, she's beautiful. I vote based on looks. A lot. She's also someone who will keep her looks and hand out shitty technical awards beforehand in a hotel ballroom, so she's with the program and on board.

selking
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:15 PM
I tried IMDB and I could not find anyone named Helen Lawson. So if you want, Hel, you can also PM me and tell me who you are.

it took me a while to figure this one out too and he/she is pretending to be a charcter played by susan hayword

Joan Rivers
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:16 PM
My standards for supporting actress are less, I can vote crazy and whimsy in this category (and have in the past).


That would explain your submissions of Elizabeth Berkley in Showgirls, Sofia Coppola in The Godfather 3 and your rumored Sharon Stone for Catwoman submission Hel!

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:16 PM
1995
BA - Susan Sarandon for "Dead Man Walking"
BSA - Mira Sorvino for "Mighty Aphrodite"

One of my favorite years. Sarandon comes CLOSE to being the 90's version of me, many times nominated, brilliant on all levels, makes good after many nominations. Only my red hair is better and of course I sing and am more talented, but you get the picture. Mira was perfect, she STEALS that movie and that's tough given the other people in it. When she answers that door and says to Woody in her high little voice, "Are you my one o'clock?" she got my vote right there. Pure genius.

1994
BA- Jessica Lange for "Blue Sky"
BSA - Diane Wiest for "Bullets Over Broadway"

All the leading actresses that year sucked, but Jessica's good looking (before plastic surgery changed her from Caucasian to Asian) and she's done great work over the years. I vote based on looks. A lot.
Weist is great, I thought it was a real hammy role and actually voted for Jennifer Tilly for the same film, but Weist was not a bad choice.

Joan Rivers
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:18 PM
Weist is great, I thought it was a real hammy role and actually voted for Jennifer Tilly for the same film, but Weist was not a bad choice.
Hel I loved Tilly in that movie. Her "Charmed! Charmed!" won it for me. It's the only role where that squeaky voice did not distract!

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:19 PM
Helen thanks for your thoughts on Tatum...


I was watching her teen movie from 1980 "Little Darlings" the other day on cable and was thinking how odd it was that both her and Kristy McNichol (her co-star in this film) were both so good so young (nobody could cry better than Kristy and break your heart) and then they both got so damn messed up, its such a shame really

your thoughts on Kristy? Remember ONLY WHEN I LAUGH with her and Marsha Mason (both nominated that year)....loved that movie and love Mason....what do you think of her?

smarties
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:33 PM
1998
BA - Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"

To me it's the one that really stands out. 1st, her performance was, how should I put it, ''ordinary''; 2nd, the movie sucked!!!

Cate Blanchett got so robbed that year!!!:( she really should have won for her amazing performance in Elixabeth.

darren cahill
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:41 PM
1998
BA - Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"

To me it's the one that really stands out. 1st, her performance was, how should I put it, ''ordinary''; 2nd, the movie sucked!!!

Cate Blanchett got so robbed that year!!!:( she really should have won for her amazing performance in Elixabeth.
I thought ELIZABETH was a better movie too and thought Cate should have won

shap_half
Oct 7th, 2004, 02:22 AM
I agree about Blanchett as well. She really deserved that Oscar over Paltrow. Gaaa.

Helen Lawson
Oct 7th, 2004, 01:47 PM
That would explain your submissions of Elizabeth Berkley in Showgirls, Sofia Coppola in The Godfather 3 and your rumored Sharon Stone for Catwoman submission Hel!
I did nominate Showgirls in a couple of categories. I put in Berkley as leading actress and Gershon as supporting. That guy who was Charlotte's husband on Sex in the City, I gave him a supporting actor nod because he was so good during that lapdance.

I liked the Bone in Casino, but I think she's a whack now, so I won't nominate her for anything again.

Truthwillout
Oct 7th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Stone me to death for saying this but it takes guts for a cutie pie like Charlize to accept playing Aileen in Monster . Actors are much concerned with their image, which generally means not messing around with their looks or not risking alienating their fans by playing an unattractive or repulsive character. The same goes for tennis stars as you can see on this forum. Those who project a 'clean picture' image are generally most popular whilst those who flirt with the dark side bring about hostility or even hatred.

Helen Lawson
Oct 7th, 2004, 03:46 PM
Stone me to death for saying this but it takes guts for a cutie pie like Charlize to accept playing Aileen in Monster . Actors are much concerned with their image, which generally means not messing around with their looks or not risking alienating their fans by playing an unattractive or repulsive character. The same goes for tennis stars as you can see on this forum. Those who project a 'clean picture' image are generally most popular whilst those who flirt with the dark side bring about hostility or even hatred.
I'm not saying it didn't take SOME guts, but a Best Actress Oscar, that was a little generous, in my opinion. The script was very pro-Wuernos, they really downplayed that she was a monster and made it sort of a sad love story where some guys who sort of deserved it get plugged and someone with a pathetic life has a nice 6 months with ill-gotten dough and cutie girlfriend. And of course they toss in the "hooker's heart of gold" scene when she's ready to kill that one dope and ends up giving him a hand job instead. That's not how it was in real life. But I'm all for changing the truth to make a good movie, hell, I won an Oscar doing the same thing. She got my vote, she was better than the other broads, but Oscar quality isn't what it used to be. When it comes right down to it, I played a death row doll, and I did the full monty, I did the gas chamber sequence, pellets, acid, gagging, gasping, the whole bit. She just wandered off into some white light with a chessy voiceover. Copout!

It was SHOCKING when Grace Kelly uglied and frumped up for "The Country Girl." That was 1954. It doesn't carry much of a stigma today, especially if you nab an Oscar.

Truthwillout
Oct 7th, 2004, 04:17 PM
I'm not saying it didn't take SOME guts, but a Best Actress Oscar, that was a little generous, in my opinion. The script was very pro-Wuernos, they really downplayed that she was a monster and made it sort of a sad love story where some guys who sort of deserved it get plugged and someone with a pathetic life has a nice 6 months with ill-gotten dough and cutie girlfriend. And of course they toss in the "hooker's heart of gold" scene when she's ready to kill that one dope and ends up giving him a hand job instead. That's not how it was in real life. But I'm all for changing the truth to make a good movie, hell, I won an Oscar doing the same thing. She got my vote, she was better than the other broads, but Oscar quality isn't what it used to be. When it comes right down to it, I played a death row doll, and I did the full monty, I did the gas chamber sequence, pellets, acid, gagging, gasping, the whole bit. She just wandered off into some white light with a chessy voiceover. Copout!

It was SHOCKING when Grace Kelly uglied and frumped up for "The Country Girl." That was 1954. It doesn't carry much of a stigma today, especially if you nab an Oscar.

Yeah, I remember your gas chamber scene quite well. Pretty ghastly (no bad pun intended) indeed. But I've told you before and I'll tell you again, Helen, to me you've always excelled at comedy (even though this is not the type of flicks people remember you by). A couple of days ago I saw The Honey Pot again and I really enjoyed it.
About Grace Kelly in Country Girl it's been ages since I saw that one. What really struck me when I did was Bing Crosby playing a caddish man (a real heel actually and a far cry from his Going My Way/Bells of St Mary's trademark.)

Neely OHara
Oct 7th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Darren: I'll let you in on a little Hollywood secret. Most actors and actresses are fucked up messes, egos out of control, totally insecure, mentally ill, and totally psycho. I'm not saying everyone, but I'd say a good 80%. Myself included. It's part of what it takes to make it in showbiz. This of course leads to chain smoking, massive drinking, out of control drug abuse, you name it. Tatum hasn't done a real good job covering this up or keeping it under control, but she's no different than probably 75% of Hollywood, only she's not discrete about it.

Tatum's career is washed up, hence this stupid book. She either needs money or publicity, or both, though I think she got a fortune from McEnroe. Child stars rarely make it big as adults. Neely O'Hara was an exception, though her adult success did not match her teen success, but at least it was still very good. I don't think she's tried that hard to work, either. I thought she was actually pretty good on Sex in the City, she's a good actress, but she's washed up. She's a haggard, drugged-out 40, it doesn't help!

Hel, you're too generous! Tatum had three hit films (with tomboy Kristy McNichol stealing one of them from her) and that was it. Madeline Kahn was robbed but in Tatum's defence, Mary Badham and Shirley Knight said that when I won. Tatum and McEnroe deserved each other and the misert that came from it!

shap_half
Oct 8th, 2004, 04:11 AM
Tatum is actually gonna be doing a reading and signing her books at the Lincoln Center Barnes and Noble in NYC.

Neely OHara
Oct 8th, 2004, 02:39 PM
Does anyone born after 1980 even know who Tatum O’Neal is?