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jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:24 AM
It just pathetic that Dick Cheney seems to avoid the question and instead reminescents on past experiences(El Savador, Afghanistan) and the little warm fuzzy stories on how woman in Afghanistan and how its a democracy. Oh Lord, Here he is talking about Wrong War, Wrong Place Wrong Time, Im counting how many times he says it. Cheney's voice sounds boring, Im scared he hasn't had a heart attack yet!! :eek: :haha: Famous quote "It was not 200 billion, but 120 billion to Iraq and the rest went to War on Terrorism." He's just not answering the questions, but sugarcoating it. So far TWICE! He seriously looks depressed.

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:25 AM
I wish I wasnt at work.... I'd love to see this.... :sad:

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Its hilarious!!! All Dick can do is make personal attacks on his voting record, and bases that he cant be a good president on that. :lol:

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:28 AM
I bet.. Dick is just an idiot....... :lol:

How is Edwards doing?!??!

supah-fly
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:38 AM
Edwards is doing better?
How do they measure AUDIENCE REACTION, seriously how do they know that?

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:38 AM
Hes doing pretty good, If he was going against anyone with any sense, they would have noticed his faults, questioned them, and attacked them. I think Kerry-Edwards are a good combination, because Kerry posesses quick thinking and knowlegde, whereas Edwards has the energy and knowledge also. Seriously this is getting really boring with Cheney talking. Its like he is mumbling about nothing, and once again he gets off subject. THREE TIMES hes stated Wrong War, Wrong Time, Wrong Place.

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:41 AM
OMG if he's pounding his fist after every comment like Bush did I would be THROUGH... I swear he did that atleatsd 50 times... :lol:

Tear em up Edwards... I figured with his lawyer background he'd be a smooth talker. And he just appeals to your 'everyday' folks, I think this will help Kerry/Edwards out a lot...

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:42 AM
RE: Haliburton

Cheney: "I can respond, but it's gonna take more than 30 seconds."

Moderator: "Well that's all you've got." :tape:

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:43 AM
RE: Haliburton

Cheney: "I can respond, but it's gonna take more than 30 seconds."

Moderator: "Well that's all you've got." :tape:
:lol::lol:

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:45 AM
I know, and the crowd started laughing. Again, making personal attacks on John Edwards, when they are supposed to be on Israel and Palastine.

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:47 AM
Is it off at 1030? I may be able to catch some of it if so....

GoDominique
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:47 AM
Uh, why are they talking about each other's 'records'? :confused:

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:48 AM
Oooh, score one for Eddy.

He said they keep criticizing Kerry/Edwards record when the same could be said about Cheney and company: Cheney voted against Martin Luther King Jr holiday, etc.

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:48 AM
OMG!!!! Cheney got Punk'd :haha: :lol: John Edwards started talking about his voting record about how he voted against MLK Holiday, releasing Nelson Mandela, Meals on Wheels, Head Start, etc. and Cheney said something like "nothing, his record speaks for himself" It was hilarious.

Mase
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Oooh, score one for Eddy.

He said they keep criticizing Kerry/Edwards record when the same could be said about Cheney and company: Cheney voted against Martin Luther King Jr holiday, etc.
Wow you KNOW the papers will be all over that, AS THEY should be....
What a punk Cheney IS!!!!

Infiniti2001
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:50 AM
The :devil: himself http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.main/top.2136.cheney.pool.jpg :tape: :tape: :tape: :tape:

GoDominique
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:50 AM
I'm glad though that Edwards is not the one running for president. He's too 'aalglatt', as we say in Germany (slippery?).

supah-fly
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:51 AM
Edwards sense of humor isn't bad

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:55 AM
Hallajula, I thought he wasn't going to answer the question, but he did. HAHA Here Cheney is attacking his record again.

njguido11
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:10 AM
WOw this board is so freakin biased. I def admitted that Kerry came out ahead of Bush in their debate. ARE U freakin people watching the same debate as me this time?? CUz how you can say Edwards is doing well is beyond me

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:11 AM
I thought Cheney would be stronger than this. Sometimes he doesn't seem to have enough to say or want the extra 30 secs when he should really be jumping at the chance to defend himself and the administration. On the gay issue I think it's sad that he obviously disagrees with the president's policy but has to support him. You could see the strain in his face.

Mrs. Peel
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:17 AM
I had to laugh when Cheney was asked about jobs and poverty and he rambled on about a plan for education and some other jive:confused: then Edwards asked the moderator, "Now what was your question again?" She clarified that it was indeed regarding jobs and poverty and he laid the classic sublte smackdown, "yeah, I thought the question was about jobs and poverty" :tape: :tape:


I think Edwards is trying to goad Cheney into an out burst or a heart attack :lol:

Mrs. Peel
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:18 AM
WOw this board is so freakin biased. I def admitted that Kerry came out ahead of Bush in their debate. ARE U freakin people watching the same debate as me this time?? CUz how you can say Edwards is doing well is beyond me
I don't see anyone here saying that Edwards is doing "well"....I think he is average :o but given his opponent tonight he looks like a frickin genius :tape:

Wigglytuff
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:19 AM
I wish I wasnt at work.... I'd love to see this.... :sad:

i ammissing it toobecause i was inclass but you can download it about 10 minutes after its done iwill post the linkhere.



sorryabout the funnyspacing, myspacebar is shot. andits a new computer.

Justeenium
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:21 AM
WOw this board is so freakin biased. I def admitted that Kerry came out ahead of Bush in their debate. ARE U freakin people watching the same debate as me this time?? CUz how you can say Edwards is doing well is beyond me

ignore the people on this board. educated people on political forums right now are saying the opposite of them anyways.

google :yeah:

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:29 AM
This "flip flop" charge being thrown around is beyond ridiculous. Both sides have done one thing at one point in time and then changed their minds. It's silly to keep accusing back and forth.

martirogi
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:30 AM
i always think both people do good at these things

Keith
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:40 AM
I can't believe that Edwards likes fat chicks.

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Maybe she wasn't fat when he married her.

I think his smile will win over lots of people. ;)

Mrs. Peel
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:44 AM
ignore the people on this board. educated people on political forums right now are saying the opposite of them anyways.

google :yeah:
then what are you doing in here? slumming? :rolleyes:

Please elucidate, Your Brilliance :retard:

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:44 AM
Or maybe she was. :eek:

Mrs. Peel
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:47 AM
I can't believe that Edwards likes fat chicks.
I guess having children can be murder on a woman's figure..but you don't have to fuck her so why do you care? :confused:

You like to suck dick, he likes his women big..to each his own? :shrug:

jbone_0307
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Anybody who said Edwards didn't do good must be looking at the wrong debate. He attacked Cheney like a person on a cliff, often leaving him speechless. His speech was also effect meaning that he could get his point off in a couple of sentences by his energy. Also, he distinguished the differences between both candidates. He needs to smooth a little rough edges, all in a good, A LOT better than his opponent. All Cheney could do was try and attack their records, and did so pretty ineffectively.

CC
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:04 AM
http://gallery.johnkerry.com/data/photos/medium/99ed2a8c-f5b9-4abf-8817-c61c25513f20.jpg

Elizabeth Edwards is on the right. I think one of their children died, right?





Who is this? :tape:

http://gallery.johnkerry.com/data/photos/medium/ff688d17-9890-45f4-8516-4e50dc88712d.jpg

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:10 AM
Dick lost, Edwards won :yippee:

I'm so glad, finally people are waking up and seeing what :bs: liars Dick and Bush are.

Here's to 4 years of change, not 4 years of the same!
KERRY/EDWARDS '04! :worship:


Also can someone explain to me this, it sounded almost as if Cheney is for homosexual unions, yet Bush is strictly against it. How can that gel, when you have a divided team?

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:11 AM
CC John and Elizabeth had a boy that was 15 or 16 that died in a traffic accident. In his memory they funded an after school computer center in their home town. :)

Justeenium
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:14 AM
then what are you doing in here? slumming? :rolleyes:

Please elucidate, Your Brilliance :retard:

because the server's too full right now on those forums. and the non-tennis section here is more interesting than MTFs which all those dumb thread games.

KindaNice
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:14 AM
I think Edwards did very well....and I don't think that Cheney did necessarily bad. It just that what he spoke about is just sooo wrong! Hey....was that LYNN CHENEY'S GIRLFRIEND who came out with the Cheney family after the debate?!?!

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:17 AM
ignore the people on this board. educated people on political forums right now are saying the opposite of them anyways.

google :yeah:

I suppose this is why, when polled during the debate, something like 49 to like 12 percent favored what Edwards said and thought he knew more than Cheney. Yes, the majority of the USA, the undecided voters, who will decide this election... must be wrong :rolleyes:

Give me a break. More Bushies sugarcoating the truth. I'm surprised at how many times RE: Haliburton came up, and Cheney dodged the question. I don't think he answered once about his company which he is still on the payroll for getting $7.5 million from Iraq.

KindaNice
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:19 AM
WOOPS! I meant to say Mary Cheney....hehe

Volcana
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:22 AM
I got in late from a meeting, so I only saw the last part, plus some repeats. I've got it on tape to watch tomorrow. From what I've seen, it seems to me that Cheney won, but not by as much as Kerry beat Bush. Cheney said some things I thought factually incorrect, but he was authoritative, and self-assured. Edwards seemed visibly less assured, and semed unprepared for the amount and intensity of personal attacks. You can argue that personal atacks were irrelevant, but Edwards being unprepared for them isn't. He was debating Satan tonight. Satan always attacks, and he always attacks at the weakest points, relevant or otherwise. Cheney's goal was to make Edwards look inexperienced, and unprepared to be vice-president. In other words, to make EDWARDS the issue, rather than Cheney himself. And to an extent, he succeeded. It's hard to believe Edwards didn't see that attack on his voting record coming. He should have had a series of responses prepared.

This is where Edwards' 'I don't go negative' posture works against him.

Again, I haven't seen it all, so this is a very prelimnary opinion. However, it seems me that njguido11 has a legitemate point.WOw this board is so freakin biased. I def admitted that Kerry came out ahead of Bush in their debate. ARE U freakin people watching the same debate as me this time?? CUz how you can say Edwards is doing well is beyond meCheney laid down some SERIOUS hits on Edwards. Unless Edwards was doing real well early, gotta give this to Cheney.

njguido11
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:25 AM
I loved when they brought up the fact that health care has gone up and Cheney stated how yes a bill in 1998 said over the next years health care would be going up and you know what KERRY VOTED FOR IT

Wigglytuff
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:25 AM
I suppose this is why, when polled during the debate, something like 49 to like 12 percent favored what Edwards said and thought he knew more than Cheney. Yes, the majority of the USA, the undecided voters, who will decide this election... must be wrong :rolleyes:

Give me a break. More Bushies sugarcoating the truth. I'm surprised at how many times RE: Haliburton came up, and Cheney dodged the question. I don't think he answered once about his company which he is still on the payroll for getting $7.5 million from Iraq.

dont argue with people who blindly support a party line. i mean are republican americans really so desperate that they are willing to support a man who voted AGAINST MLK day? i mean really!!! i am liberal and all but i have my limits. show me a democrate who voted AGAINST MLK day and i will show you someone i will NEVER EVER SUPPORT OR DEFEND.

Justeenium
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:31 AM
dont argue with people who blindly support a party line. i mean are republican americans really so desperate that they are willing to support a man who voted AGAINST MLK day? i mean really!!! i am liberal and all but i have my limits. show me a democrate who voted AGAINST MLK day and i will show you someone i will NEVER EVER SUPPORT OR DEFEND.

more bullshit from you jiggly. first of all, I have never supported Bush or Cheney in the past. (Steve Forbes was my kinda guy) and what the fuck is the big deal about MLK day, its just a fuckin excuse to miss work/school. who cares if who voted either way on it.

and I mentioned one of these forums in the past, only JR said he would look at it. ignorant fucks like you and bacardi think you are so smart just because you post shit on wtaworld :rolleyes: and then the other far left members quote you and go :worship: so you think you're so fucking smart.

and remember bitch, I made a big fucking post a long time ago, the only fucking issue u questioned me on was about misinterpreting another poster, not the big points

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:39 AM
OK Slazenger, not just MLK day, since that day is careless. Since an advocate for civil rights is a worthless human, lets talk about the other things they voted against.

What about the vote against headstart?
What about the vote against meals on wheels for Senior citizens?
What about the vote against education?
What about the vote to cut the military's combat pay?

What does that have to say about Cheney. And another thing, he and Bush can't even agree on their stance on homosexual marriages/unions. Let's see a divided system in office makes us WEAKER, not stronger.

By no means did Edwards run away with this debate, in fact I think he if had a stronger opponent he would have lost badly. However, the American public at large, except for the blinded by (I want to be rich) or the rich are against these :bs: reasons that Bush/Cheney have tried to ride for the last 4 years.

And John Edwards told the truth, when he said "America cannot survive 4 more years of the same".

Wigglytuff
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:40 AM
more bullshit from you jiggly. first of all, I have never supported Bush or Cheney in the past. (Steve Forbes was my kinda guy) and what the fuck is the big deal about MLK day, its just a fuckin excuse to miss work/school. who cares if who voted either way on it.

and I mentioned one of these forums in the past, only JR said he would look at it. ignorant fucks like you and bacardi think you are so smart just because you post shit on wtaworld :rolleyes: and then the other far left members quote you and go :worship: so you think you're so fucking smart.

and remember bitch, I made a big fucking post a long time ago, the only fucking issue u questioned me on was about misinterpreting another poster, not the big points

you are so fucking stupid and racist its sad. i dont usually pray for people, but in your case i will pray.

Justeenium
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:44 AM
you are so fucking stupid and racist its sad. i dont usually pray for people, but in your case i will pray.

there's no fucking law that says we have to give him a holiday. :retard:


:lol: about the racism, speaking of that i'm gonna lead it to the leftist shit on outsourcing.

Outsourcing is good for the consumers
good for the companies
and good for the Indians that get the job

restricting outsourcing is good for american whose job isn't lost.--but since he's born in the US, give him a fucking job and piss on the indian whose probably more qualified and let him live in real poverty.

yeah whose the one's that racist or greedy.

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Hey Slazenger, how old are you? Are you on the same grounds as mboyle/thammer?

Also, haven't you ever heard of "In order to survive you must take care of your own before you take care of others". With the rate Bush/Cheney are going, another 4 years and the USA will be in worse shape than Turkey or India!

I want to see Slazenger work in a real job, and not be a little "student", and go out and tell someone just before Christmas time, or any other time of the year, that has a family of 4, that they just lost their job because the plant is closing to relocate overseas. I want to see you have the heart to tell them, if they protest that they can no longer feed their family, or provide health care for sickness in their family that they are "racist and greedy" for not wanting to give their job up to someone who can't go out and find a damn job in their own country!

It's time for American's for America.

Justeenium
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Hey Slazenger, how old are you? Are you on the same grounds as mboyle/thammer?

Also, haven't you ever heard of "In order to survive you must take care of your own before you take care of others". With the rate Bush/Cheney are going, another 4 years and the USA will be in worse shape than Turkey or India!

I want to see Slazenger work in a real job, and not be a little "student", and go out and tell someone just before Christmas time, or any other time of the year, that has a family of 4, that they just lost their job because the plant is closing to relocate overseas. I want to see you have the heart to tell them, if they protest that they can no longer feed their family, or provide health care for sickness in their family that they are "racist and greedy" for not wanting to give their job up to someone who can't go out and find a damn job in their own country!

[B]It's time for American's for America[/b'.

yeah, you deserve everything just because you were born in the USA, and the left says the right is more selfish :rolleyes:

let the Indians live in some hellhole. fine.

Cam'ron Giles
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:54 AM
more bullshit from you jiggly. first of all, I have never supported Bush or Cheney in the past. (Steve Forbes was my kinda guy) and what the fuck is the big deal about MLK day, its just a fuckin excuse to miss work/school. who cares if who voted either way on it.

and I mentioned one of these forums in the past, only JR said he would look at it. ignorant fucks like you and bacardi think you are so smart just because you post shit on wtaworld :rolleyes: and then the other far left members quote you and go :worship: so you think you're so fucking smart.

and remember bitch, I made a big fucking post a long time ago, the only fucking issue u questioned me on was about misinterpreting another poster, not the big points
But you just quoted her and used a :worship: :confused:

Bacardi
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Slazenger has to be mthammer or mboyle in disguise. Has to be, he's got the same question dodging abilities as those two. Do me a favor, read some news, watch some news, and sit thru watching the entire debates. Don't just channel hop. And then come back, and try to have a decent political conversation. While you are at it, get out into the real world, not just the Houston Bush loving world, and see and talk to American's that lost their job, most of which are college educated and trained, and see how they feel about what it's like to live in "the real world".

Wigglytuff
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:59 AM
actually you idiot MLK is a national holiday. by law. no thanks to cheney. i swear these 13 year old junior racists are just annoying. and sad.

there's no fucking law that says we have to give him a holiday. :retard:


:lol: about the racism, speaking of that i'm gonna lead it to the leftist shit on outsourcing.

Outsourcing is good for the consumers
good for the companies
and good for the Indians that get the job

restricting outsourcing is good for american whose job isn't lost.--but since he's born in the US, give him a fucking job and piss on the indian whose probably more qualified and let him live in real poverty.

yeah whose the one's that racist or greedy.

Crazy Canuck
Oct 6th, 2004, 04:48 AM
because the server's too full right now on those forums. and the non-tennis section here is more interesting than MTFs which all those dumb thread games.
Heh. Nice excuse, but there are 3048329843 forums on the internet, and you still picked this one ;)

(not that I blame you; the "point and laugh" factor is generally pretty high)

Volcana
Oct 6th, 2004, 04:49 AM
I gotta see the first half of this debate. Edwards is kciking Cheney's ass in post-debate polling all over the internet.

Wigglytuff
Oct 6th, 2004, 04:54 AM
I gotta see the first half of this debate. Edwards is kciking Cheney's ass in post-debate polling all over the internet.

well audioshouldbe avaible free by tomorrow night but VIDEO is hard to come by!

Volcana
Oct 6th, 2004, 04:56 AM
well audioshouldbe avaible free by tomorrow night but VIDEO is hard to come by!I got tape. Just no time to watch it all til tomorrow.

Jeleno Benesovo
Oct 6th, 2004, 05:02 AM
I gotta see the first half of this debate. Edwards is kciking Cheney's ass in post-debate polling all over the internet.
This debate was like De La Hoya vs Hopkins fight.... a tremendous KO from Edwards to the ViceP :boxing:

Circe
Oct 6th, 2004, 05:38 AM
i actually thought edwards did better in the second half of the debate. political pundits are insisting it's a draw.
personally i think cheney had the slight edge overall. the thing is, the far-left bleeding hearts have done such a convincing job of telling people that Cheney is the devil in disguise, that the very fact that he doesn't have horns growing out of his head works in his favor. Cheney came across as a firm, experienced patrician while edwards looks just a bit too much like an upstart.
his anti-outsourcing rhetoric will only get him so far. he's still got great hair, of course, and someone with great hair can be forgiven anything :)

i dont think Cheney will be able to win the 2008 election though, inspite of what eight years of Bush misrule will do to the country. just doesnt have any charisma whatsoever. the "calm intelligence" look is good on a veep but doesnt help a president at all. people prefer a charmer like Bill :hearts: or a dimwit like Bush.

Hagar
Oct 6th, 2004, 09:23 AM
I'm glad though that Edwards is not the one running for president. He's too 'aalglatt', as we say in Germany (slippery?)."aalglatt" :devil:
Dutch being my mothertongue and knowing a bit of German, I think I grasp the meaning of this one... :devil:

Pureracket
Oct 6th, 2004, 12:29 PM
i actually thought edwards did better in the second half of the debate. political pundits are insisting it's a draw.
personally i think cheney had the slight edge overall. the thing is, the far-left bleeding hearts have done such a convincing job of telling people that Cheney is the devil in disguise, that the very fact that he doesn't have horns growing out of his head works in his favor. Cheney came across as a firm, experienced patrician while edwards looks just a bit too much like an upstart.
his anti-outsourcing rhetoric will only get him so far. he's still got great hair, of course, and someone with great hair can be forgiven anything :)

i dont think Cheney will be able to win the 2008 election though, inspite of what eight years of Bush misrule will do to the country. just doesnt have any charisma whatsoever. the "calm intelligence" look is good on a veep but doesnt help a president at all. people prefer a charmer like Bill :hearts: or a dimwit like Bush.Cheney isn't running in 2008. JEB, Condoleeza, or some other Senator will. They'll probably run against the Hillary/Obamaa ticket.

Circe
Oct 6th, 2004, 01:13 PM
i stand corrected. or sit corrected, to be more accurate (though it should be sleeping corrected but now i'm awake i might as well stay awake though its still dark as night outside).

i dont think clinton/obama, if it is to follow a eight year Bush term, will be a very strong ticket. but then you never know.