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Volcana
Oct 1st, 2004, 03:04 AM
It wasn't a debate. It was a bunch of policy statements, mixed with a little, 'my opponent is wrong'. Nobody leaning toward either candidate will switch their view.

Kerry gained a little because he was able to lay out that his positions actually were consistent, thus neutralizing, a little, and only among truly un\decided voters, the 'flip-flop' accusation.

Bush gained, a little, because he actually had SOME command of SOME of the details of foreign policy. Not as much as Kerry, but nobody thinks he's a smart as a Kerry.

In other words....

Kerry got himself from 'intelligent flip-flopper' to 'intelligent more-consistent-than-I-thought'.

Bush got himself from 'self-assured idiot' to 'self-assured, maybe-he's-smarter-than-I-thought'.

I'd be surprised if anybody undecided suddenly got decided after seeing that.

eddy
Oct 1st, 2004, 03:30 AM
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KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 1st, 2004, 03:32 AM
For someone that didn't follow the presidential campains that much it was informative but of course it was annoying.

Freewoman33
Oct 1st, 2004, 03:54 AM
Well, if the polls are be believed, CNN Gallop poll of those who watched the debate - Kerry won the debate. Something like 53 percent to 37 for Kerry and Bush respectively.

I also think Kerry won the debate. I was pleasantly surprised at the way he presented himself. His statements and rebuttals were quick and to the point. He didn't drag on, like he tends to do sometimes.

I think Kerry did what he needed to do.

Circe
Oct 1st, 2004, 04:42 AM
yeah i thought kerry did all right. then again i dont know how much difference it would really make to those who were already leaning towards Herr Bush, but at least he got a chance to make his point.
still the debate could have been a fair bit more interesting.

Volcana
Oct 1st, 2004, 06:34 AM
I agree Kerry won. But I don't think he got anybody leaning toward Bush to switch to him.

Freewoman33
Oct 1st, 2004, 11:47 AM
You are right Volcana, but I think the republicans - DICK in particular - have done enough to put the fear of another terror attack, in the American people. I believe Bush will win mainly because of that.

One thing I've noticed since the DNC and RNC. Prior to the conventions when the polls showed both candidates dead even, there were a lot of terror alerts. Those damn colors were changing almost daily. Now that Bush is in the lead, there are no terror warnings.

chrisbutt88
Oct 1st, 2004, 12:19 PM
It wasn't a debate.
In other words....
Kerry former flip-flopper.
Bush from 'self-assured idiot' to 'self-assured, maybe-he's-smarter-than-I-thought'.
I'd be surprised if anybody undecided suddenly got decided after seeing that.:lol: Choosing between an ex flipflopper & a still insecure (looking smart 'cause dick is directing through earphone) marionet ..:hysteric: :haha: Spending time&interesse on this conducted drama is like believing that George is saving our environment !:timebomb: Now better timespending, take per esempio ;

Cybelle Darkholme
Oct 1st, 2004, 12:55 PM
Republicans will vote for bush no matter what.
Democrats will vote for Kerry no matter what.

The undecided finally got a chance to see that kerry is not a "flip flopper" and has a solid position on Iraq: It was bush's mistake and hes going to clean it up and go after the real 911 terrorists like osama.

I think Kerry squashed the flip flopper label while pointing out that bush has been consistently wrong about iraq.

Kerry won hands down. Bush came off like some flummoxed spoiled brat jumping a the bit to respond.

Helen Lawson
Oct 1st, 2004, 01:37 PM
A big, huge Calder mobile like this one and a couple of numbers would have made it more entertaining. I'm not saying they need to do a duet, but a sing-off or something, or they could sign an answer with some dances thrown in.

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ys
Oct 1st, 2004, 02:07 PM
I think it could be a crucial win for Kerry yesterday.. Think of those undecided.. There are 20% of those.. Why do you think they are still undecided? Do yo think they don't know enough of Bush and what expect from him from 4 years of his presidency? No, they know him well.. Then why were they still undecided? Simple.. They are somewhat unhappy about Bush's presidency, they are ready for change. But they were doubting Kerry's abilities or they simply didn't know who Kerry is.. I think, Kerry did an excellent job yesterday to remove those doubts.. A lot more of undecided will go for Kerry now..

Hagar
Oct 1st, 2004, 02:20 PM
totally agree with your assessment- i admit i was impressed with Bush appearing to know exactly what he was speaking on- although we all know he was prepped;) Same feeling on Kerry, I've been saying for months that I don't really know where he stands but i was a bit clearer from last night. I was glad that he was able to make clear that because he voted for the war initially, doesn't mean you can't go back and say hey- mistake lets do something differently- Bush doesn't seem to wanna get that:rolleyes: Anywho- although i know there are more to come, i was a bit annoyed that it was 2 hours of Iraq, war, foreign policy- i wanna hear about some domestic issues already. And i have to go register to vote this morning as i became a citizen on Tuesday:) I know now who i will be voting for pretty much, i'm one of the undecided Americans- oh, my that's sounds weird calling myself an American.
What nationality were you before you became an American citizen?

spartanfan
Oct 1st, 2004, 02:39 PM
totally agree with your assessment- i admit i was impressed with Bush appearing to know exactly what he was speaking on- although we all know he was prepped;) Same feeling on Kerry, I've been saying for months that I don't really know where he stands but i was a bit clearer from last night. I was glad that he was able to make clear that because he voted for the war initially, doesn't mean you can't go back and say hey- mistake lets do something differently- Bush doesn't seem to wanna get that:rolleyes: Anywho- although i know there are more to come, i was a bit annoyed that it was 2 hours of Iraq, war, foreign policy- i wanna hear about some domestic issues already. And i have to go register to vote this morning as i became a citizen on Tuesday:) I know now who i will be voting for pretty much, i'm one of the undecided Americans- oh, my that's sounds weird calling myself an American.
Congrats on becoming an American citizen. Where are you originally from? And the second debate is centered on domestic issues alone. I'm not sure how the third debate is set up or the V.P. debate for that fact.

Circe
Oct 1st, 2004, 03:09 PM
i wonder if the third one will be centered on the economy. seems logical enough.