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skanky~skanketta
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:43 PM
i need help. i have this assignment thing due and i need help.

well, basically, i need a movie that has something to do with lacan's "misrecognition of self"....try to make it an easy movie, something recent and popular please!

OR

WAIT, I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE.

these are the questions that i have at the moment and i dont know what to choose or what movies to go with it. HELP!





[1] Freud's concept of the unconscious is said to have overturned the idea of the Cartesian subject. Discuss two films in which this challenge to the "rational self" is explored. You should explore the ways in which this challenge is represented in terms of the narrative, the mise en scene and the characterisation of the main protagonists.


Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen films in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene.


[2] Perhaps no other Freudian idea has been so influential on Hollywood story telling as Freud's concept of the Oedipal complex. Discuss two films (or one film in great detail) in which the Freudian Oedipus complex is explored or is at least the main"driving force" of the narrative. You can choose either to stick to a classic Freudian reading of the film or combine this with a Lacanian view of the "Oedipal triangle".
Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen film(s) in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene.


[3] Discuss a film in which Lacan's notion of the "misrecognition of the self" isarticulated. You should relate this to Lacan's concept of desire and discuss how these concepts can be seen to operate within the film (or films) you have chosen. If you choose more than one film to examine, you must contrast and compare the cinematographic techniques (mise en scene, editing, narrative) of the two or more films in terms of how they articulate Lacanian notions.


[4] Discuss up to three films (you can choose to examine only one film in detail if you like) which seem to have as their theme "liberation through sexuality". You must relate this theme to the ideas of Wilhelm Reich. Evaluate the filmmaker's views of 2 sexuality and compare them to Reich's ideas. Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen film(s) in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene and how they relate to your reading of Reich's concepts of sexuality.


[5] Discuss a film in which you think you can identity at least a couple of Jungian Archetypes (this film cannot be Star Wars!!). Examine the role of these archetypes in terms of the films narrative and characterisations. Compare these archetypes to those found in myths, fairytales or folkstories. Explain the dramatic function of these archetypes in the film you are discussing and the deeper symbolisation they represent.


[6] Examine a film which embodies the "heros journey" structure (again, this film cannot be Star Wars!!). Explain Campbell's concept of the hero and relate it to the film you are examining. Find another film which can be contrasted with the film you are discussing (i.e. the narrative or characterisations either embody a different type of heros journey or, despite superficial resemblances, do not represent this structure at all.



movies i like that may have NOTHING to do with the questions


X-MEN, SPIDERMAN, CATWOMAN, TITANIC, MY BEST FRIENDS WEDDING, HARRY POTTER, FAST AND FURIOUS, MIB2, TERMINATOR 2, CHILDS PLAY, CHARLIES ANGELS, 10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT U, HOW TO LOSE A GUY IN 10 DAYS, INTOLERABLE CRUELTY, SHE'S ALL THAT, SOMETHING ABOUT MARY, NEVER BEEN KISSED, MEET THE PARENTS, WALK TO REMEMBER, TOMB RAIDER,


HELP PLEASE!ASAP!

skanky~skanketta
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:43 PM
oh, i can use a television series for this as well.....please guys, i've never been so desperate before.....i'd even offer free unprotected sex if u want.

Frank
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Dude! This is a nightmare! :scared:

I really feel for you...:o

Can't help you though...:shrug:

Frank
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:47 PM
I've got one tip though...

Try www.imdb.com for a huge movie database...Basically every movie ever made is in there...Maybe it'll help you...

skanky~skanketta
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:48 PM
I've got one tip though...

Try www.imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com/) for a huge movie database...Basically every movie ever made is in there...Maybe it'll help you...
i'm a dudette, but its the questions and i dont know which relates.

Frank
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:50 PM
i'm a dudette, but its the questions and i dont know which relates. Whoops...Excuse me miss...:o

Number 6 shouldn't be too difficult...Many movies have hero journey structures...The rest is kind of abracadabra for me though...:o

skanky~skanketta
Sep 30th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Whoops...Excuse me miss...:o

Number 6 shouldn't be too difficult...Many movies have hero journey structures...The rest is kind of abracadabra for me though...:o
examples of movies please frankie!

Frank
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:01 PM
examples of movies please frankie! Excalibur, Tomb Raider, Armageddon, Terminator...

If that's allowed of course...I guess these movies have hero structures...

Why can't you use Star Wars?

thalle
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:02 PM
Vero, I know nothing about psychology. Nor do I know any movies that relate to all that. :(
Sorry, but I hope you'll make it:):kiss: Gooc luck:)

Frank
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Perhaps you could explain some of the terms used...I have no clue what Freud's concept of the Oedipal complex means...Maybe I can think of a movie when you give short explanations of these terms...

CondiLicious
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Well in order for anyone here to help they have to know psychology and Film and it's various codes. And um... even though I have/am studying psychology and Film... I dunno how the hell to help you... sorry :(

alfajeffster
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:23 PM
i need help. i have this assignment thing due and i need help.

well, basically, i need a movie that has something to do with lacan's "misrecognition of self"....try to make it an easy movie, something recent and popular please!

OR

WAIT, I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE.

these are the questions that i have at the moment and i dont know what to choose or what movies to go with it. HELP!







[1] Freud's concept of the unconscious is said to have overturned the idea of the Cartesian subject. Discuss two films in which this challenge to the "rational self" is explored. You should explore the ways in which this challenge is represented in terms of the narrative, the mise en scene and the characterisation of the main protagonists.




Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen films in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene.


[2] Perhaps no other Freudian idea has been so influential on Hollywood story telling as Freud's concept of the Oedipal complex. Discuss two films (or one film in great detail) in which the Freudian Oedipus complex is explored or is at least the main"driving force" of the narrative. You can choose either to stick to a classic Freudian reading of the film or combine this with a Lacanian view of the "Oedipal triangle".
Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen film(s) in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene.


[3] Discuss a film in which Lacan's notion of the "misrecognition of the self" isarticulated. You should relate this to Lacan's concept of desire and discuss how these concepts can be seen to operate within the film (or films) you have chosen. If you choose more than one film to examine, you must contrast and compare the cinematographic techniques (mise en scene, editing, narrative) of the two or more films in terms of how they articulate Lacanian notions.


[4] Discuss up to three films (you can choose to examine only one film in detail if you like) which seem to have as their theme "liberation through sexuality". You must relate this theme to the ideas of Wilhelm Reich. Evaluate the filmmaker's views of 2 sexuality and compare them to Reich's ideas. Discuss at least two key sequences in your chosen film(s) in detail, i.e. discuss the way the shots, editing etc. articulate the ideas of the scene and how they relate to your reading of Reich's concepts of sexuality.


[5] Discuss a film in which you think you can identity at least a couple of Jungian Archetypes (this film cannot be Star Wars!!). Examine the role of these archetypes in terms of the films narrative and characterisations. Compare these archetypes to those found in myths, fairytales or folkstories. Explain the dramatic function of these archetypes in the film you are discussing and the deeper symbolisation they represent.


[6] Examine a film which embodies the "heros journey" structure (again, this film cannot be Star Wars!!). Explain Campbell's concept of the hero and relate it to the film you are examining. Find another film which can be contrasted with the film you are discussing (i.e. the narrative or characterisations either embody a different type of heros journey or, despite superficial resemblances, do not represent this structure at all.



movies i like that may have NOTHING to do with the questions


X-MEN, SPIDERMAN, CATWOMAN, TITANIC, MY BEST FRIENDS WEDDING, HARRY POTTER, FAST AND FURIOUS, MIB2, TERMINATOR 2, CHILDS PLAY, CHARLIES ANGELS, 10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT U, HOW TO LOSE A GUY IN 10 DAYS, INTOLERABLE CRUELTY, SHE'S ALL THAT, SOMETHING ABOUT MARY, NEVER BEEN KISSED, MEET THE PARENTS, WALK TO REMEMBER, TOMB RAIDER,


HELP PLEASE!ASAP!



It would be very helpful to most people reading this if you explained a little about each of the concepts, starting with lacan's "misrepresentation of self". I think your thread is spectacular, by the way, but for the fact that it's grounded in film, and the foundation for each of the questions is based on the written word. The two could not be more dissparate, but it's an interesting assignment, to say the least. I'll start out with "misrepresentation of self" and point you toward the scene in Harry Potter where Harry is staring at his perceived representation of himself through the reflection of his parents in the mirror. Go for it- the professor is giving you all the answers!

alfajeffster
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:25 PM
P.S.- if you want to score points on the Oedipal complex- research a Woody Allen film from the mid-90s: again, the answers are already given to you. Good Luck!

skanky~skanketta
Sep 30th, 2004, 07:27 PM
thanks alfa, u're the bestest!

kabuki
Sep 30th, 2004, 08:13 PM
5. For Jungian archetypes, what about Fight Club? Obvious Shadow(Brad Pitt) and possible Anima(girlfriend)

kabuki
Sep 30th, 2004, 08:16 PM
6. For Campbell's hero structure, Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit, the Matrix

kabuki
Sep 30th, 2004, 08:26 PM
4. For Reich, The Mother is an excellent example, other possibilities- Barbarella, Under the Tuscan Sun, even Dirty Dancing

kabuki
Sep 30th, 2004, 08:34 PM
3. For Lacan, Lost Highway by David Lynch is a good choice. Hard to follow, but...

kabuki
Sep 30th, 2004, 08:41 PM
2. Oedipal- Tadpole, the Grifters, and the ultimate, Hamlet (many versions)

skanky~skanketta
Oct 1st, 2004, 05:09 PM
thanks y'all....i need help, the stuff i have on hero's journey is pretty superficial....and i'm worried that its not enough. can someone explain to me what else is there to it? please?

Helen Lawson
Oct 1st, 2004, 06:07 PM
All of my performances were extremely complex with many layers, so just select anything I did. But since I did SO MUCH, let's see if I can't narrow it.

Let's see, I was neglected young wife who gave up her brilliant singing career for a man, became a drunk, lost my man and my baby, had a catfight with the woman I thought was messing around with my husband, and then almost killed my baby and myself in a drunken haze/smoking accident, but go straight at the end. 90% of this happens in the last 10 minutes of the movie, so you have a lot to work with, plus throw in a couple of tunes. That was "Smash Up: The Story of a Woman." I'm sure you can support whatever theories you have with that performance.

If you need something else, I was good-time girl/drug-addict/hooker/single mother/petty thief/perjuror/hard-luck dame who falls in with the wrong crowd, tries to help them get out of a murder rap, and I get implicated myself and charged with the murder. That is "I Want to Live!" You can get a lot out of this performance, I mean, I won an Oscar. I don't want to wreck this one for you by telling you the end, but let's just say the main character doesn't get her wish as reflected in the title of the movie.

Helen Lawson
Oct 1st, 2004, 06:16 PM
If you get desperate, use this screen classic. I can guarantee you, you can write anything you like about it, because I can guarantee you, your teacher never saw it. I give Mamie two thumbs up, but the singing sucks.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305771111.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Crazy Canuck
Oct 1st, 2004, 08:26 PM
Heh, cute assignment. That's better than anything I ever had to do. We just wrote lame papers and blah. Of course, most of these touch on the aspects of psychology that I dislike and haven't studied in two years ;)

Hulet
Oct 1st, 2004, 08:57 PM
I am currently reading "The cambridge companion to Freud" so ask me after about a month. :o

Helen Lawson
Oct 1st, 2004, 09:03 PM
I am currently reading "The cambridge companion to Freud" so ask me after about a month. :o
Why would you read that when you could be watching Las Vegas Hillbillys?

See, this is why, even though she and I are NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN in the same category, I really am a fan of Mamie Van Doren. They were doing one of those dumb E! Hollywood True Stories about Jayne Mansfield, and they were interviewing Mamie, and they were talking about how much Jayne hated doing Las Vegas Hillbillys. Mamie is talking about how Jayne was raging bitter on the set, pissed off, and complaining about the movie, the plot, the script. Finally, Mamie says she goes up to Jayne and is like, "Jayne, I think we both know why we're both having to make this movie. We're both desperate and need the money. This can either be fast and pleasant, or you can keep complaining like this and it'll take forever. I'd rather have it be fast and pleasant, wouldn't you?" I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist, and it was classic, because it was the truth. You gotta love Mamie!

Hulet
Oct 1st, 2004, 09:32 PM
He he. TBH Helen I have no clue who those people are - Jayne or Mamie - no I haven't seen LV Hillbillys - so I can't say if "that was the truth" or can't tell what it has got to do with Freud. :o Anyways, I will try to rent LVH. ;)

Joana
Oct 1st, 2004, 09:45 PM
Sorry girl, I'd love to help you, as I've studied psychology myself, but movies are really not my strongest spot. Best of luck though, it's an interesting assignement. :kiss:

WorldWar24
Oct 1st, 2004, 11:59 PM
[2] for the oedipal complex: the movie Psycho(1960), from Albert Hitchcock

~ The Leopard ~
Oct 2nd, 2004, 09:29 AM
Freud really has nothing to do with the goddamn "Cartesian subject". Hmmmm, well I suppose he did in a way. His work supposedly overturned the idea that we have unified rational minds, which Descartes thought, so you need movies in which people have divided minds, conflicting/unconscious, etc, impulses. Movies where people do not know their real, "deeper" selves. There must be zillions of such movies http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/devil.gif . You oughtta find that Freud quote where he compares himself to Copernicus and Darwin in upsetting our understanding of ourselves and our place in the universe (I can't remember where he said it, but surely a google search would find it).

Lacan was a wanker (meaning I don't understand him http://wtaworld.com/ubb/wink.gif ). But there must be lots of movies that involve conflicts between the hero and a father figure (possibly with a woman involved). Think of a movie in which a character is hostile to, maybe even wants to kill someone who is actually his father or is a father figure to him. I'd say The Empire Strikes Back, but I bet they want you to keep away from the Star Wars franchise.

Hero's journey? You have read Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces, yes? If not, this question makes little sense. Yeah, The Lord of the Rings trilogy will do, if you're allowed to use a whole trilogy. Otherwise, how about The Matrix, as kabuki said: Neo departs the Matrix and returns with new power, blah, blah, having been assisted by powerful helpers, surmounted/crossed barriers and defeated opponents. He ultimately destroys Smith and seemingly redeems the Matrix. It's a classic example of the theme. I'm not sure what you'd contrast it with. You need something with a totally different structure. How about Terminator 3, where all the main characters can do is survive? Or simply test the Joseph Campbell structure against all your favourite hero movies. Stories of sheer survival might be one possibility though. Think of Predator as another Arnie flick. The Arnie character departs into, and returns from, the mysterious realm of the jungle, but learns nothing - he simply survives and prevails against the Predator ... and goes back stunned by what he has encountered. There is no sense of any new power or wisdom that he can bring with him to redeem where he originally came from. At most, he has learned that there are powers in the universe that he never imagined.

Liberation through sexuality, eh? Hmmmm, Eyes Wide Shut? Sirens?