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spartanfan
Sep 29th, 2004, 05:42 AM
DeGette raises draft fears, re-enlistment "ultimatums"

By Bruce Finley
Denver Post Staff Writer (bfinley@denverpost.com)

http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/CD28TROOPS.jpg (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~6439~2430982,00.html#)Post / Kathryn Scott OslerVietnam War veteran Marty Coleman of Littleton attends a news conference Monday at the Colorado Veterans Memorial in Denver, where Rep. Diana DeGette called for a probe into reports that active-duty Iraq war vets are being coerced into re-enlisting.



Wartime politics ratcheted up Monday as a Colorado congresswoman raised the specter of a draft and demanded an investigation of allegedly coercive re-enlistment tactics. "The American people are going to have to realize that if the Bush administration is going to push 'pre-emption,' we're going to have to reinstate the draft," Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., said at a news conference in Denver. "I'm just trying to be realistic. We're already stretched with our ventures in Afghanistan and Iraq."

She called for a congressional probe into reports that Army commanders told Iraq veterans at Fort Carson and elsewhere to re-enlist or face possible transfers to Iraq-bound units.

"Soldiers who served honorably, fought in Iraq and are near the end of their service should not be threatened with impressment," DeGette said. "How widespread is this? How high does this go in the Pentagon?"


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Army officials disavowed any coercive tactics. Troops recently were asked to fill out re-enlistment declarations to help commanders project how many will be around in the future, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Gerard Healy said.

"Soldiers shouldn't be getting any kind of ultimatum: Sign it, or go to Iraq. That's not the way the Army does business," Healy said. The fact that some who don't re-enlist could be transferred to Iraq-bound units "shouldn't be said. Whether it was said or not, I don't know. It should just be explained to them what their options are, and it should be explained to them thoroughly why this is being asked."

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Yet at Fort Carson, south of Colorado Springs, soldiers still worried that saying no to re-enlistment could lead to trouble in Iraq.

One of them, Spec. Wesley Swanson, a 23-year-old gunner wounded north of Baghdad, said his wife became pregnant after he returned to Fort Carson. Then a few weeks ago, commanders told him that if he didn't re-enlist, he'd be transferred to a unit that probably would move to Iraq, Swanson said.

"Officers here said, 'I'm just getting my orders and passing them on to you,' " Swanson said. "It just felt like it was an ultimatum: Re-enlist and you get $10,000. Or else, if you don't re-enlist, you'll most definitely get stationed somewhere else, and you'll probably go right back to Iraq."

In Iraq, he manned a .50-caliber machine gun, he said, and his unit took mortar fire nightly and regular gunfire while on patrol.

"The situation is, our cultures are so different we can't get along," he said. "They don't like us because we invaded their country. I know they are appreciative we got rid of Saddam. I've been told that by a lot of Iraqis, but they want us gone. There's no end in sight."

Serving in Iraq "is my duty" and if asked to go back, "I'll do it," Swanson said. "But I do have a baby on the way - our first. I'm not really interested in missing his first year of life, but I will.

"It's just the pressure tactics. That doesn't feel right."

House Armed Services Committee members hadn't heard from DeGette, but the practice she described, if widespread, is "not acceptable," said Harold Stavenas, spokesman for Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., the committee chairman.

Pending legislation would allot funds for adding 10,000 troops, Stavenas said. A separate bill to reinstate a draft "will not see the light of day," he said.

Vietnam veterans working for presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry also are weighing in. Soldiers ordered to fight again in Iraq clearly "are struggling with it," said former fighter and United Airlines pilot Ron Cole, 60.

"Why are we there? Is this really making America safer?" he said.

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Reading this made me sick to my stomach. You know its true and the military and current administration just blinks and says it isn't true. I really believe that if Bush is reelected he will make some lame apology and restart the draft back up. Mark my words.

~{X}~
Sep 29th, 2004, 05:49 AM
Lmao well first I will vote Bush out, if that doesn't work...and a draft occurs..."But I am gay...and I will screw all your Mid-Western boys!"...I am bi so it works to a sense and if that don't work...Canada seems like a nice place to live.

esquímaux
Sep 29th, 2004, 06:04 AM
Hmmm re-enlist OR be shipped to Iraq??? Either way they're going to Iraq?? :scratch:

Infiniti2001
Sep 29th, 2004, 06:10 AM
Yep, I read this in the article below last night ugh :mad:

GIs claim threat by Army
Soldiers say they were told to re-enlist or face deployment to Iraq
By Dick Foster, Rocky Mountain News
September 16, 2004
COLORADO SPRINGS - Soldiers from a Fort Carson combat unit say they have been issued an ultimatum - re-enlist for three more years or be transferred to other units expected to deploy to Iraq.
Hundreds of soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team were presented with that message and a re-enlistment form in a series of assemblies last Thursday, said two soldiers who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The effort is part of a restructuring of the Army into smaller, more flexible forces that can deploy rapidly around the world.
A Fort Carson spokesman confirmed the re-enlistment drive is under way and one of the soldiers provided the form to the Rocky Mountain News. An Army spokesmen denied, however, that soldiers who don't re-enlist with the brigade were threatened.
The form, if signed, would bind the soldier to the 3rd Brigade until Dec. 31, 2007. The two soldiers said they were told that those who did not sign would be transferred out of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team.
"They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers, a sergeant.
The second soldier, an enlisted man who was interviewed separately, essentially echoed that view.
"They told us if we don't re-enlist, then we'd have to be reassigned. And where we're most needed is in units that are going back to Iraq in the next couple of months. So if you think you're getting out, you're not," he said.
The brigade's presentation outraged many soldiers who are close to fulfilling their obligation and are looking forward to civilian life, the sergeant said.
"We have a whole platoon who refuses to sign," he said.
A Fort Carson spokesman said Wednesday that 3rd Brigade recruitment officers denied threatening the soldiers with Iraq duty.
"I can only tell you what the retention officers told us: The soldiers were not being told they will go to Iraq, but they may go to Iraq," said the spokesman, who gave that explanation before being told later to direct all inquiries to the Pentagon.
Sending soldiers to Iraq with less than one year of their enlistment remaining "would not be taken lightly," Lt. Col. Gerard Healy said from the Pentagon Wednesday.
"We realize that we deal with people and with families, and that's got to be a factor," he said.
"There's probably a lot of places on post where they could put those folks (who don't re-enlist) until their time expires. But I don't want to rule out the possibility that they could go to a unit that might deploy," said Healy.
Under current Army practice, members of Iraq-bound units are "stop-lossed," meaning they could be retained in the unit for an entire year in Iraq, even if their active-duty enlistment expires.
A recruiter told the sergeant that the Army would keep them "as long as they needed us."
Extending a soldier's active duty is within Army authority, since the enlistment contract carries an eight-year obligation, even if a soldier signs for only three or four years of active duty.
The 3rd Brigade recruiting effort is part of the Army's plan to restructure large divisions of more than 10,000 soldiers into smaller, more flexible, more numerous brigade- sized "Units of Action" of about 3,500 soldiers each.
The Army envisions building each unit into a cohesive whole and staffing them with soldiers who will stay with the unit for longer periods of time, said John Pike, head of the defense analysis think tank Global Security.
"They want these units to fight together and train together. They're basically trying to keep these brigades together throughout training and deployment, so I can understand why they would want to shed anybody who was not going to be there for the whole cycle," Pike said.
But some soldiers presented with the re-enlistment message last week believe they've already done their duty and should not be penalized for choosing to leave. They deployed to Iraq for a year with the 3rd Brigade last April.
"I don't want to go back to Iraq," said the sergeant. "I went through a lot of things for the Army that weren't necessary and were risky. Iraq has changed a lot of people.''
The enlisted soldier said the recruiters' message left him troubled, unable to sleep and "filled with dread."
"For me, it wasn't about going back to Iraq. It's just the fact that I'm ready to get out of the Army," he said.
Soldiers' choice at Fort Carson
WHAT THE FORM SAID
• "Elect not to extend or re-enlist and understand that the soldier will be reassigned IAW (in accordance with) the needs of the Army by Department of the Army HRC (Human Resources Command) . . . or Fort Carson G1 (Personnel Office).''
WHAT IT MEANS
• Soldiers who sign the letter are bound to the 3rd Brigade Combat Team until Dec. 31, 2007.
• Soldiers who do not sign the letter might be transferred out of the brigade and possibly to Iraq. ABOUT US
did I mention today that I think George Bush is a piece of shit? :tape:

Volcana
Sep 29th, 2004, 06:41 AM
a) Bush will never, EVER admit he was wrong. So we are NOT pulling the army out of Iraq.

b) No one's ever beaten the mountains of Afghanistan. Air power, as the Soviets found out, just doesn't make much difference. If Bush really wants to get bin Laden, we need all 150,000 of our ground troops there, and probably another 150,000 of somebody else's.

c) Pacifying Iraq is another 300,000 soldier jobs. Unless you want to carpet bomb the place.

d) Nobody with any troops worth a damn, out side of Israel, is giving us more than they alreayd have.

e) We either re-institute the draft, or don't let anybody currently in uniform leave. AND re-institute the draft.

The alternative is admitting defeat.

flyingmachine
Sep 29th, 2004, 11:34 AM
This is sound increasely like Vietnam War mark 2. :rolleyes:

PhoenixStorm
Sep 29th, 2004, 04:18 PM
Bush and his republican cohorts make me sick. They lie and bully and then wrap themselves in the flag of america as if they actually care for what it stands for.

He is a liar and the worst thing to happen to this country in four years, yes the worse, he is by far more damaging than 911 ever could be.

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism or the war on terror. NOTHING. Iraq is Bush's private vendetta and I hope kerry says so in the debates. Iraq had no link to Al Qedda. Iraq presented no threat to america.

I knew that and i am not even remotely connected to the intelligence community. I could see right through his snowball tactics. Oh and his pretend war in Aghanistan for a minute before plunging into Iraq. Trust me if Iraq had the resoursces of aganistan then we would not be there at all.

Meanwhile Iran is on the verge of nuclear weapons capability and North Korea already has them. Bush is a fool and those who follow him blindy are as well.


whats worse the republican bushies are actually antiamerica. america protects the rights of the individual and allows for differing opinions and views. But oh no, if you dont pull the line their way you are somehow a "traitor". What kind of bullshit is that? YOU are the traitor to america for trying to silence your detractors, for curtailing liberties with your bastard "patriot act" (nothing partriotic about giving away your rights or stepping on the rights of citizens), you are the traitor for LYING to the american people about our safety.


at least clintons lie about his blowjob didnt cost over a thousand american lives. people are dead because of this quack and you people voted for his dumb ass.

Whats even more laughable but understandable is that you republicans dont care really, do you? I mean its not your friends, sons, daughters, husbands and wives dying in Iraq so why care? I mean thats why they signed up right? so if they die for something they volunteered to do then its no skin off your republican asses is it?

This country needs mandatory army service for all citizens for two years. Thats patriotic.

spartanfan
Sep 30th, 2004, 03:52 AM
Bush and his republican cohorts make me sick. They lie and bully and then wrap themselves in the flag of america as if they actually care for what it stands for.

He is a liar and the worst thing to happen to this country in four years, yes the worse, he is by far more damaging than 911 ever could be.

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism or the war on terror. NOTHING. Iraq is Bush's private vendetta and I hope kerry says so in the debates. Iraq had no link to Al Qedda. Iraq presented no threat to america.

I knew that and i am not even remotely connected to the intelligence community. I could see right through his snowball tactics. Oh and his pretend war in Aghanistan for a minute before plunging into Iraq. Trust me if Iraq had the resoursces of aganistan then we would not be there at all.

Meanwhile Iran is on the verge of nuclear weapons capability and North Korea already has them. Bush is a fool and those who follow him blindy are as well.


whats worse the republican bushies are actually antiamerica. america protects the rights of the individual and allows for differing opinions and views. But oh no, if you dont pull the line their way you are somehow a "traitor". What kind of bullshit is that? YOU are the traitor to america for trying to silence your detractors, for curtailing liberties with your bastard "patriot act" (nothing partriotic about giving away your rights or stepping on the rights of citizens), you are the traitor for LYING to the american people about our safety.


at least clintons lie about his blowjob didnt cost over a thousand american lives. people are dead because of this quack and you people voted for his dumb ass.

Whats even more laughable but understandable is that you republicans dont care really, do you? I mean its not your friends, sons, daughters, husbands and wives dying in Iraq so why care? I mean thats why they signed up right? so if they die for something they volunteered to do then its no skin off your republican asses is it?

This country needs mandatory army service for all citizens for two years. Thats patriotic.

The only thing that Republicans care about is staying in power to make money.

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