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Wigglytuff
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:48 AM
sorry guys i could not help myself!

NO WIRE HANGERS!!!!

No... wire... hangers! What're wire hangers doing in this closet when I told you: no wire hangers EVER!!!!!

I work and work 'till I'm half-dead, and I hear people saying, "She's getting old." And what do I get? A daughter... who cares as much about the beautiful dresses I give her... as she cares about me! What's wire hangers doing in this closet? Answer me! I buy you beautiful dresses, and you treat them like they were some dishrag. You do! Three hundred dollar dress on a wire hanger!

We'll see how many you've got if they're hidden somewhere. We'll see... we'll see. Get out of that bed! All of this is coming out! Out! Out! Out! Out! Out! Out! You've got any more? We're gonna see how many wire hangers you've got in your closet. Wire hangers, why? Why? Christina, get out of that bed! Get out of that bed!

You live in the most beautiful house in Brentwood and you don't care if your clothes are stretched out from wire hangers. And your room looks like some two-dollar-a-week furnished room in some two-bit back street town in Okalahoma! Get up! Get up! Clean up this mess!
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can someone tell me the truth behing the myth?

did this really happen?

what was the real deal with joan?

Shane54
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:58 AM
"CHRISTINA, CHRISTOPHER, DAMMIT!"

"Carol Anne I have asked you to keep the children quiet today!"
Have Tina bring me my coffee"

"Helga, when you clean the floors you have the MOVE THE TREE"
Carol Anne you have to stay on top of things around here. Im not mad at you Helga I MAD at the DIRT!"

"There's a liquor store the right"
" I Should of known you know where to find the BOYS AND THE BOOZE"

bw2082
Sep 27th, 2004, 06:29 AM
Wire hangers are evil. Notice the little horns that they put on the shoulders. It's the devil himself manifesting in your clothes. :p I neatly fold all my clothes. :o

Sam L
Sep 27th, 2004, 11:42 AM
NO MORE WIRE HANGERS, EVER!!!

I think it happened for real.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 27th, 2004, 01:42 PM
I remember watching this at a young age, then re-enacting the scene with my younger brother as I beat him with a wire hanger (pretend of course) ;)

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 01:45 PM
You think you're pretty clever, don't you? Trying to sweep the poor little widow under the carpet? Well, think again. I'm on the board of directors of this lousy company.

Al and I helped build Pepsi to what it is today, and I intend to stay with it!

Look, you drove Al Steele to his grave, and now you're trying to stab me in the back? Forget it! I fought worse monsters than you for years in Hollywood, I know how to win the hard way!

You don't know what hard feelings are, until I come out publically against your product, and you'll see how much you sell.

Don't fuck with me fellas! This ain't my first time at the rodeo. You forget the press I delivered to Pepsi is my power! I can use it anyway I want. It's a sword, cuts both ways.

Thank you, gentlemen, now let's get to work!


It's all true, she beat little Tina, but litte Tina was a real ham, so she kind of deserved it.

Wigglytuff
Sep 27th, 2004, 03:59 PM
It's all true, she beat little Tina, but litte Tina was a real ham, so she kind of deserved it.


see call me crazy, but if i buy my child a 300$ dress TODAY and found it on a wire hanger i would beat the her ass too, now a $300 dress back then was a shit load more money so she would have gotten a shitload more beating

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 04:33 PM
I agree with the dress, I mean, I never bought the twins $300 outfits, who the hell buys a kid clothes that expensive then or now? Kids mistreat clothes, so don't go overboard.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:43 PM
LOL - I love this thread!

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Dammit! Perino's is MYYYY place!

Ma changed husbands faster than she changed bedsheets. Ma, with her sloppiness and her dirt.

Unsuitable?

Ah but nobody ever said life was fair, Tina. I'm bigger and I'm faster. I will always beat you.

Don't you EVER use that tone of voice with me, MISSY! Who do you think you're talking to? I'll tell you what you're gonna do, you'll gonna march yourself up those stairs to your room and you're gonna stay there until I tell you to come out or until you APOLOGIZE!


I never abused the twins. And they know better than to write a tell-all. The twins speak very highly of me.

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Oh, and Tina, if you don't get this part, don't hock 'em!

Tear DOOOWN that BIIIIITCH of a bearing wall, and put a WINDOW where it OUGHT to be!

Gotta a glass?


Actually, Crawford stole that second line from me. When Floyd and I were renovating the ranch in Carrollton, there was a bitch of a bearing wall, and I had it torn down so they could put a window where it ought to be. I mean, when you have a quaint little river on a ranch, you don't want some fucking bearing wall blocking your view!

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:40 PM
"Why can't you treat me with the same respect that you would give any STRANGER on the STREET?!?" "TINA! Bring me the AXE!"

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:48 PM
I'd rather have you going to school bald than looking like a tramp!

Mayer should know the price I pay.

Tina, meat loses its vitamins if it's overcooked.

Tina, you may drink your glass of milk and then you may be excused from the table.

Why must everything be a contest?

She negotiates everything like a god-damn Hollywood agent!

I don't ask much from you, girl, why can't you give me the RESPECT that I'm entitled to? Why can't you treat me like I would be treated by any STRANGER on the STREET?

Is this an institution of learning or a teenage BROTHEL?

My compliments to your school on its IMPECCABLE reputation. Christina, COME ON!

And I think you're UNDERREACTING Mrs. Chadwick!

Alright, Tina. You may keep the doll AND the bracelet.

Oh, come on now, Bill, mother would NEVER approve!

We'll have the New York Strip Steak for 2, rare, and two limestone salads.

Time's are tough. Yet I treat you to this expensive dinner and all I get is smart-aleck back-talk.


Trust me, nothing pisses off a movie star more than smart-aleck back-talk from a child. Hollywood stars are NOT used to being sassed, by anyone. I had to backhand the twins a couple of times when they sassed me, but trust me, it only happened a couple of times, and certainly not after their 10th birthday.

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is a limestone salad?

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:53 PM
I might as well have "Property of MGM" tattooed on my backside!

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:55 PM
...I don't ask much from you, girl, why can't you give me the RESPECT that I'm entitled to? Why can't you treat me like I would be treated by any STRANGER on the STREET?
BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE OF YOUR FANS!

*strangle amongst yourselves*

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is a limestone salad?
Ok, for you Mommie Dearest enthusiasts, limestone lettuce is another name for Bibb lettuce. Big deal. See, I was hoping it was some foul salad that was realy acidic, tart, or even a laxative to go along with her raw meat meals that would have grossed little Tina out even more. Despite hilarously stupid lines, the screenplay is lousy because it's the attention to these types of details that make a movie.

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 07:58 PM
BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE OF YOUR FANS!

*strangle amongst yourselves*
I still can't believe she strangled Tina in front of a reporter. I mean, what was the chick from Redbook going to write after that?

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:19 PM
I still can't believe she strangled Tina in front of a reporter. I mean, what was the chick from Redbook going to write after that?
It's a campy movie, and believe me, you haven't lived until you've seen it at the Castro Theater in San Francisco, but I always preferred Sunset Boulevard to Mommie Dearest. It's a much better film, and besides, I didn't like Faye Dunaway's make-up in Dearest- the eyebrows were all wrong- they arched too quickly from the center- Joan's didn't look like that at all:

http://members.aol.com/HarlowGold/joancrawford.html

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:41 PM
It's a campy movie, and believe me, you haven't lived until you've seen it at the Castro Theater in San Francisco, but I always preferred Sunset Boulevard to Mommie Dearest. It's a much better film, and besides, I didn't like Faye Dunaway's make-up in Dearest- the eyebrows were all wrong- they arched too quickly from the center- Joan's didn't look like that at all:

http://members.aol.com/HarlowGold/joancrawford.html
The movie is campy, but pretty terrible. Sunset Blvd is campy but brilliant. I need to go back to Queen Bee and look at the eyebrows, Dunaway I think was focusing more on Queen Bee/Johnny Guitar in her imitation than the 1930's Crawford, but everything else about the flick is terrible, so I'm not surprised if the eyebrows were off, too.

I wish Johnny Guitar was out on DVD, that's still great every time it's on TV.

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:45 PM
The movie is campy, but pretty terrible. Sunset Blvd is campy but brilliant. I need to go back to Queen Bee and look at the eyebrows, Dunaway I think was focusing more on Queen Bee/Johnny Guitar in her imitation than the 1930's Crawford, but everything else about the flick is terrible, so I'm not surprised if the eyebrows were off, too.

I wish Johnny Guitar was out on DVD, that's still great every time it's on TV.
Don't forget "Female on the Beach" while you're in the Queen Bee mood- nothing like Joan at a beach house with Jeff Chandler performing the handy-man duties!:lol:

I always liked Flamingo Road too- the scenes between Joan and Sydney Greenstreet are terrific. I go way back with Joan flicks, though, from Our Dancing Daughters (1928) to Baby Jane (1962). I couldn't watch anything past that, though, as Hollywood pretty much died after Cleopatra lost all that money.

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Another classic campy film (that wasn't meant to be) is Bringing Up Baby (1937 Howard Hawks directed)- I saw that in the Castro Theater too- and when Cary Grant comes out with the line "Because I just weng GAY all of a sudden!" the roof almost fell in on the theater!

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:50 PM
They did mess up her eyebrows, you are absolutely correct. Well, yet another reason to cackle at this horrible flick. I can't understand, all this crap she did after Baby Jane is on DVD, but her really good stuff from the 40's and 50's isn't. It sounds like I need to find Female on the Beach immediately!

http://mat.ellis.name/archives/joancrawford.gif

http://www.nurse.nu/CLASSIC/SOURCE/DEATH/JPEG/JoanCrawford.jpg

alfajeffster
Sep 27th, 2004, 08:59 PM
They did mess up her eyebrows, you are absolutely correct. Well, yet another reason to cackle at this horrible flick. I can't understand, all this crap she did after Baby Jane is on DVD, but her really good stuff from the 40's and 50's isn't. It sounds like I need to find Female on the Beach immediately!

http://mat.ellis.name/archives/joancrawford.gif

http://www.nurse.nu/CLASSIC/SOURCE/DEATH/JPEG/JoanCrawford.jpg
:lol: at the Jacko corner! If you haven't seen any of the following- I'd recommend them:

Female on the Beach (1955)
Sudden Fear (1952)
Flamingo Road (1949)
Possessed (1947)
Humoresque (1946)- "Be a good boy and wipe my glass"
The Women (1939)- this is THE CAMPIEST FILM EVER MADE
Chained (1934)
Forsaking All Others (1934)
Rain (1933)- Gloria Swanson's silent "Sadie Thompson" is better, but this one ain't as bad as the critics said it was
Grand Hotel (1932)
Our Dancing Daughters (1928)

Courtney Love
Sep 27th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Joan, my idol.

Ah, the memories.

alfajeffster
Sep 28th, 2004, 01:02 PM
:lol: I was actually going through my closet last night (I know, dangerous to feel the need to get back in there, but I had a semi-formal function to attend), and actually found a wire hangar!!!!!:eek: :lol:

Helen Lawson
Sep 28th, 2004, 02:52 PM
:lol: I was actually going through my closet last night (I know, dangerous to feel the need to get back in there, but I had a semi-formal function to attend), and actually found a wire hangar!!!!!:eek: :lol:
Did little Tina not suffer enough for you to learn from her mistakes? ALWAYS be ready for a surprise closet inspection!! :D

The only other time I saw Mara Hobel was she was a neighbor on Roseanne, which of course brings her full circle back to Faye through Estelle Parsons.

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 28th, 2004, 03:08 PM
The minute I get my clothes back from the cleaners, I get rid of the wire hangers...:angel:

alfajeffster
Sep 28th, 2004, 03:21 PM
The only other time I saw Mara Hobel was she was a neighbor on Roseanne, which of course brings her full circle back to Faye through Estelle Parsons.
You totally lost me on that one. Faye I know, Roseanne (uch) I know, Estelle Parsons, I know, but Mara Hobel- nothing.

Helen Lawson
Sep 28th, 2004, 03:38 PM
You totally lost me on that one. Faye I know, Roseanne (uch) I know, Estelle Parsons, I know, but Mara Hobel- nothing.I think I spelled her name correctly, that was the name of the actress who played little Tina in the flick. I never saw her again, and about 4-5 years ago I was casually watching a rerun of Roseanne, and this girl is like friends with DJ or Becky or something, and I'm thinking I've seen that girl before, who is she. It didn't take long for me to recognize that it was little Tina from Mommie Dearest. She looked the same, she looked about 21 or so. She still had the blonde ringlets.

http://www.dreamstarlets.com/features/!bios/mara_hobel22.jpg

I guess she's gotten over her fear of meat, take a look! Mommie would not approve of an overweight Tina, that's for sure, she'd be whipping that girl's butt onto a treadmill. And I bet she hasn't scrubbed the bathroom floor recently either judging by the looks of her. Scrubbing down huge bathrooms with some Dutch Boy keeps the pounds off.

http://www.broadwaydamage.com/hires/BD-3.jpg