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Eric_tennis
Sep 22nd, 2004, 06:06 PM
Hello, all. :wavey:

I'm going to enjoy my vacation in Australia for 11 days from this weekend. I made last minute decision, so any tip would be helpful to me. :D
For now, I have several questions as follows. If anyone answers any of them, it would be greatly appreciated.

1. Any good web site for traveling in Australia? Or good hotel, rent a car, domestic flight reservation site which has better discount than yahoo?
2. I have five major interesting area : (1)Outback area (Alice springs or Uluru) (2) Melbourn area(Philip Island & Great ocean road) (3) Great barrier reef (Cairns) (4) Sydney (5) Tasmania.
But I think for 10days trip, I need to choose 2 or 3 areas only. So which would be worthy for a foreigner? (Which is more unique ) For your reference, I've been to most major European cities and major national park in US and Canada. But never been to Australlia before. My first time to under the equator. ;) It's exciting to go somewhere I've never been to and to watch the stars in the sky I've never seen. :D
3. Any dangerous area among above five due to crime or dangerous animal(with venom?) or virus infection?

I should have studied by myself, but it was just last minute decision just before my week long holiday + several day-off from office. So, I'll buy some travel guide and print out bunch,.. and going to read those on the plane. But I guess, those guides usually don't say Area A is better than area B, blah blah,.. they are just saying all are worthy to visit. But I have limited time for 11 days.

Thanks in advance. ( any comment or link to a certain website would be welcomed.)
:D

Eric_tennis
Sep 22nd, 2004, 06:12 PM
Oh, one more question. ;)

I'm going to rent a car. I'm wondering which rent a car company has GPS navigator equipped like Hertz in US&Canada?
I also like to experience train and domestic flight. Any recommnend regarding the transportation to access above five areas?
:wavey:

DutchieGirl
Sep 22nd, 2004, 06:15 PM
hmm for flights I guess www.jetstar.com.au (http://www.jetstar.com.au) or www.virginblue.com.au (http://www.virginblue.com.au)

Tasmania is really beautiful and I'd really recommend that you go there as one of your places. As for hiring a car... I don't know much about that sorry!

DutchieGirl
Sep 22nd, 2004, 06:17 PM
oh and about taking the train: DON'T! Seriously, well at least the train from Syd-Melb is shite, I dunno about the train to Alice Springs (outback lol) But it also takes a looooooooooooong time and if you only have 10 days, it's really not worth taking a train anywhere!

Experimentee
Sep 22nd, 2004, 06:52 PM
You should probably see Uluru and the Great Barrier Reef, everyone who comes to Australia comes just to see those. They would be the most unique.
I havent been to any of these places besides Great Ocean Road, i dont think thats really that special. Sydney doesnt sound that special either, its like most normal cities in the world.
Jetstar and Virgin Blue are good for cheap domestic flights. But apparently Jetstar has a bad reputation for service, and you have to sign in 30 mins in advance, and if you even come 5 mins later than that they wont let you on the flight. So maybe Virgin Blue might be better.

alfajeffster
Sep 22nd, 2004, 07:44 PM
Hello, all. :wavey:

I'm going to enjoy my vacation in Australia for 11 days from this weekend. I made last minute decision, so any tip would be helpful to me. :D
For now, I have several questions as follows. If anyone answers any of them, it would be greatly appreciated.

1. Any good web site for traveling in Australia? Or good hotel, rent a car, domestic flight reservation site which has better discount than yahoo?
2. I have five major interesting area : (1)Outback area (Alice springs or Uluru) (2) Melbourn area(Philip Island & Great ocean road) (3) Great barrier reef (Cairns) (4) Sydney (5) Tasmania.
But I think for 10days trip, I need to choose 2 or 3 areas only. So which would be worthy for a foreigner? (Which is more unique ) For your reference, I've been to most major European cities and major national park in US and Canada. But never been to Australlia before. My first time to under the equator. ;) It's exciting to go somewhere I've never been to and to watch the stars in the sky I've never seen. :D
3. Any dangerous area among above five due to crime or dangerous animal(with venom?) or virus infection?

I should have studied by myself, but it was just last minute decision just before my week long holiday + several day-off from office. So, I'll buy some travel guide and print out bunch,.. and going to read those on the plane. But I guess, those guides usually don't say Area A is better than area B, blah blah,.. they are just saying all are worthy to visit. But I have limited time for 11 days.

Thanks in advance. ( any comment or link to a certain website would be welcomed.)
:DI visited Australia for 11 days back in 2003 (saw Venus/Serena Oz final), and luckily enough, I had a friend in Canberra whom I was visiting, who picked me up at the airport in Syd and carted me around and made all the reservations (except for OzOpen tix). We saw Sydney for 3 days, Melbourne for 2, and the rest was spent driving around Canberra and out to the ocean, and the last night in Sydney before departure. I have to tell you, I didn't have enough time to see everything I wanted to see, and I would suggest that with only 10 days, you have way too much on your plate.

Australia is a HUGE country- most people don't realize just how big it is. It is every bit as large as the United States (without Alaska), and it will take you a long time to fly to Alice Springs, Melbourne, Sydney, Cairns, and Brisbane all in 10 days. You won't have any time for seeing anything- you'll be in the air the whole time and exhausted when you land. For example, it will take you over 10 hours to drive from Sydney to Melbourne alone (more like 13), and when you get there- to drive out to see the 12 apostles will take you a whole day of driving.

My suggestion would be to plan to only see the Great Barrier Reef and Uluru(it's late Winter/early Spring in Austrlia now, and the weather up North and in the center of the continent should be much warmer than Melbourne).

Another thing- you mention you've been to Europe, so I take it you are used to driving on the left- if not, keep this in mind when you rent a car, because it can be very disconcerting- especially if you decide on Melbourne, as the traffic there has weird patterns in the intersections where you can actually pull out in the middle and wait for the light to change. Lots of foreigners get hit as pedestrians because of the difference, and driving on the left on your own for the first time could be very dangerous in the cities.

Good luck- and enjoy the Australian people- they are one of the loveliest cultures on this planet- very down to earth and no-nonsense. They have a native thing called the "tall poppy syndrome" whereby if any aussie starts to develop an attitude or start to feel a little superior, the mob lops off the top of their poppy head in an instant. Once you learn to relax, you're home. Oh, and always remember- THEY LOVE THEIR BEER!!! Have fun, mate!

P.S.- While Australia has by far the largest number of venomous creatures on the planet- nearly all of them are more afraid of you than you need be of them (I love snakes), so don't spoil your trip worrying about getting bitten. Also- check out the huge Fruit Bats that fly over Sydney harbour every evening- magical!

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:08 AM
hmm for flights I guess www.jetstar.com.au (http://www.jetstar.com.au/) or www.virginblue.com.au (http://www.virginblue.com.au/)

Tasmania is really beautiful and I'd really recommend that you go there as one of your places. As for hiring a car... I don't know much about that sorry!
Thank you so much, inkyfan. :wavey:
The discount flight company info would be really helpfull for me. Whenever I search flight deal on Yahoo, they only show Quantas airline. :(
I'll try to visit Tasmania cause I'm gonna arrive Australlia through Melbourne. :D
As for the train trip, I bought a travel in Australlia DVD, and watched it last night. They showed several railway service (from East coast to Perth, to Alice Springs (Ghan? ), and some others. I mainly showed 1st class cabin, it looked good but most of the passengers were seniors.
:wavey:

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:15 AM
I havent been to any of these places besides Great Ocean Road, i dont think thats really that special. Sydney doesnt sound that special either, its like most normal cities in the world.
Thanks a lot. :wavey:
I'm somewhat disappointed to hear that Great Ocean Road is not that great. :o ;) I expected kind of drive way like US californica coastal road from Pebble beach to Bir Sur.
I'm not going to visit Sydney unless I have enough time available. But whenever I think of Australlia, Opera house of Sydney just popping up in my head. So if I can afford to go there, I take some photo shots.
:D

nitocris_tiger
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:32 AM
alfajeffstar, you sound like the perfect guy to do a commercial for the Aus Tourist Board! Glad you enjoyed Aus :wavey:

Eric_tennis, I agree with everything this guy said!
If you've only got a few days you prob won't want to bother with trains and it's not necessarily going to be cheaper either. Go to www.qantas.com.au (http://www.qantas.com.au), www.virginblue.com.au (http://www.virginblue.com.au) or www.jetstar.com.au (http://www.jetstar.com.au) and you can't go wrong.

Like most Australians I haven't seen most of these tourist destinations (apart from cities) so going to Great Barrier Reef and Uluru are pretty unique.

Wigglytuff
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:38 AM
there is a town called "fucking" someone where in austrialia you could visit that place steal a sign! lol

http://www.snopes.com/photos/austria.asp

AjdeNate!
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:41 AM
www.pleasebringmewithyou.com

Rohin.
Sep 23rd, 2004, 06:07 AM
Have fun :D!!

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 06:41 AM
there is a town called "fucking" someone where in austrialia you could visit that place steal a sign! lol

http://www.snopes.com/photos/austria.asp
I meant Australia not austria. :confused:

bionic71
Sep 23rd, 2004, 08:18 AM
If you can, I suggest that you try and spend a few days in Sydney.
I know you are short on time, but there is a lot you can do in a few days that will give you a good taste of what the city is about.

Take a ferry rip around the harbour...whether it be to Manly or to the Zoo. Both trips are short and well worth the effort.
Walk the Bridge from the city to the North side...spectacular views (and if you feel adventurous do the climb for about $120).
Catch a show or performance at the Opea House one evening....last minute tickets are very reasonable and even if it is just the symphony playing, it is a nice way to spend an evening.

Visit the Eastern Suburbs beaches (about 10 minutes from the City)...there is a great coastal walk between Coogee and Bondi (round trip of about 2 hrs depending on how fit you are feeling). Again, the scenery is amazing and there is a nice Cafe spot at Bronte beach along the way, were you can refuel and maybe take a swim.
Dining out in Sydney is one of the least mentioned aspects... Sydney has a wide range of wonderful food, notably Asian influenced. Some of the finest Thai restaurants can be found in Newtown ( % mins from the City and nice and casual also) and the suburb of Leichardt (about 15 mins West of the city has a fabulous range of Italian eateries (in Norton St).

A few posters above have mentioned that many travellers under-estimate the size of the country. By plane...it is an hour between Sydney and Melbourne, about an hour and 15 mins between Sydney and Brisbane or Gold Coast (add a further 45-50 minutes if you are travelling further North to visit the Barrier Reef), Sydney to Perth is just over 4 hrs.
Aviod the trains...you do not have enough time.

Domestic flight prices within Australia vary greatly....I would start checking now...QANTAS, JETSTAR (Qantas owned) and VIRGIN are your local carriers.
I am unsure when you plan to visit....if your trip coincides with the school vacations then flights are notoriously more expensive. The October break starts tomorrow and runs for 2 weeks. The next break will begin around a week prior to Christmas.

If you have any questions PM me.

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 10:03 AM
www.pleasebringmewithyou.com (http://www.pleasebringmewithyou.com/)
This site is not working to me. :confused: Maybe my office network admin blocks it...? I'll try it when I get home.
Thanks anyway.
:)

fifiricci
Sep 23rd, 2004, 11:37 AM
Take a very large frying pan. You'll need it to kill all the enormous spiders that will crawl into your bed in the middle of the night and snuggle on your chest. ;)

Other than that its a bloody fantastic country and you'll love it if you've got any taste at all (and I'm sure you have).

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:33 PM
If you can, I suggest that you try and spend a few days in Sydney.
Walk the Bridge from the city to the North side...spectacular views (and if you feel adventurous do the climb for about $120). The October break starts tomorrow and runs for 2 weeks. The next break will begin around a week prior to Christmas.
If you have any questions PM me.
Thank you sooo much for the details. :D I should think about going to Sydney after reading your post. Climbing the Bridge was the only interesting thing to me cause I was raised in the big city all the time.
But being in Sydney for a couple days would be nice. Maybe I got to cut off time in Melbourne and spend more time in Sydney.
By the way, I was going drive a car from Melbourne to Sydney rather than flight. Is it a good choice? I hope some good scenic view through the road.
:D

alfajeffster
Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:45 PM
If you like skiing (yes, there is skiing in Australia!)- and you really want to spend all that time driving from Melbourne to Syd, check out area around Mt. Kisciusko National Park:

http://www.pacificislandtravel.com/australia/newsouthwales/mountkisciusko.asp

It's about half-way between the two cities in New South Wales, and it's the highest point in Australia. Not sure how long the very short ski season lasts, but you may have some luck. The scenery should be breathtaking. Once you get past the park and down past Canberra (where you can stop and check out the Telstra tower on top of the mountain above Canberra- and also the National War Museum, and the National Art Gallery- MUST SEE), though, the scenery is pretty dismal- flat expanses with no trees, vegetation, or anything for miles and kilometers from Lake George all the way until you reach the Sydney outskirts. Again, this will take you a lot of time. Sydney is very much like San Francisco- beautiful harbour city with lots of culture and restaurants and things to do.

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:52 PM
Like most Australians I haven't seen most of these tourist destinations (apart from cities) so going to Great Barrier Reef and Uluru are pretty unique.
Thank you. :D Those are my top 2 place to visit.

Eric_tennis
Sep 23rd, 2004, 01:00 PM
though, the scenery is pretty dismal- flat expanses with no trees, vegetation, or anything for miles and kilometers from Lake George all the way until you reach the Sydney outskirts. Again, this will take you a lot of time. Sydney is very much like San Francisco- beautiful harbour city with lots of culture and restaurants and things to do.
Thank you so much for you two posts. :wavey:
It's quite disappointing to hear that the scenery is pretty dismal. :sad: I usually enjoy driving when the scenery is beautiful like the US west coast between Pebble beach and Big sur.
As for skiing, I lived in eastern Canada before, so had enough skiing and still I have many ski resorts in a couple of hours. Anyway, it's somewhat surprising thing, I thought it's only available in New Zealand.
:)

bionic71
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
Thank you so much for you two posts. :wavey:
It's quite disappointing to hear that the scenery is pretty dismal. :sad: I usually enjoy driving when the scenery is beautiful like the US west coast between Pebble beach and Big sur.
As for skiing, I lived in eastern Canada before, so had enough skiing and still I have many ski resorts in a couple of hours. Anyway, it's somewhat surprising thing, I thought it's only available in New Zealand.
:)Hello...
Regarding the drive between Melbourne and Sydney...it will take aboout 9-10 hrs.
If you go via Canberra....it is a bit ugly until you reach the Sydney fringe....however that is just one of the freeway options. For spectacular temperate forests head towards the Coast from Canberra...into Batemans Bay and the South Coast areas and drive into Sydney via the Princes Highway (or Coastal Road). Most is untouched National Park for about 300 kms of nice driving....which will take you through the coastal towns of Batemans Bay, Ulladulla, Mollymook, Berry (slighty inland but lovely), Kiama, Wollongong and onto Sydney via the Southern and Eastern Suburbs...it only adds about 35-45 mins to the journey so it is worth the slight diversion. Som of the coastal scenery about 2 hrs before Sydney is simply divine.

However....as you are only here for such a short stay, I would advise against the drive and take a flight. You could always hire a car in Sydney and take a drive South to some of towns mentioned above...Kiama for example is only 2 hrs drive and is a lovely beach side hamlet. You also drive through the Royal National Park along the way...and this in itself is worth a stop if you want to see a bit of nature.

Another day trip out of Sydney is the Blue Mountains...about 2 hrs by car, slighty longer by train....lovely walking trails, cute coffee shops, great scenery again and only a short trip out of the City.

Enjoy,

alfajeffster
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:08 PM
Hello...
Regarding the drive between Melbourne and Sydney...it will take aboout 9-10 hrs.
If you go via Canberra....it is a bit ugly until you reach the Sydney fringe....however that is just one of the freeway options. For spectacular temperate forests head towards the Coast from Canberra...into Batemans Bay and the South Coast areas and drive into Sydney via the Princes Highway (or Coastal Road). Most is untouched National Park for about 300 kms of nice driving....which will take you through the coastal towns of Batemans Bay, Ulladulla, Mollymook, Berry (slighty inland but lovely), Kiama, Wollongong and onto Sydney via the Southern and Eastern Suburbs...it only adds about 35-45 mins to the journey so it is worth the slight diversion. Som of the coastal scenery about 2 hrs before Sydney is simply divine.

However....as you are only here for such a short stay, I would advise against the drive and take a flight. You could always hire a car in Sydney and take a drive South to some of towns mentioned above...Kiama for example is only 2 hrs drive and is a lovely beach side hamlet. You also drive through the Royal National Park along the way...and this in itself is worth a stop if you want to see a bit of nature.

Another day trip out of Sydney is the Blue Mountains...about 2 hrs by car, slighty longer by train....lovely walking trails, cute coffee shops, great scenery again and only a short trip out of the City.

Enjoy,
Maybe I should get directions to the White City grass courts from you for the next time I go- my friend and I drove around Rushcutters Bay for a while and couldn't find it, and I know we drove right past it. I'm a big tennis history fan, and would love to see the club where so many great matches were played. It'll be 2006 until I get back there, though, as 2005 is reserved already for my first taste of Wimbledon. Cheers, mate!

DutchieGirl
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:17 PM
Thank you so much, inkyfan. :wavey:
The discount flight company info would be really helpfull for me. Whenever I search flight deal on Yahoo, they only show Quantas airline. :(
I'll try to visit Tasmania cause I'm gonna arrive Australlia through Melbourne. :D
As for the train trip, I bought a travel in Australlia DVD, and watched it last night. They showed several railway service (from East coast to Perth, to Alice Springs (Ghan? ), and some others. I mainly showed 1st class cabin, it looked good but most of the passengers were seniors.
:wavey:
Hey...don' be bagging QANTAS! :p My Dad works for them and they are a great airline, but obviously not as cheap as Virgin or jetstar (altought jetstar comes from QANTAS anyway). ;)

Yes, I think it would be nice to go on the trains, but they are expensive AND it takes like 3 days from Melbourne to Perth or something, and so when you only have 10 days, then you don't really have much time to go on the train! ;)

It's very hard to say where you should go and see because I mean Australia is so diverse, landscape wise, that it's hard to see everything in such a short amount of time.

bionic71
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:18 PM
Maybe I should get directions to the White City grass courts from you for the next time I go- my friend and I drove around Rushcutters Bay for a while and couldn't find it, and I know we drove right past it. I'm a big tennis history fan, and would love to see the club where so many great matches were played. It'll be 2006 until I get back there, though, as 2005 is reserved already for my first taste of Wimbledon. Cheers, mate!
Of course...next time you are here I will give you directions.

Oh ...Rushcutters Bay and Edgecliff are difficult to navigate....I only live 10 mins away and I still get lost in there....it is like a rabbit tunnel.
I have played many many times at the old White City....unfortunately not much is left now as much was sold off for development. I attended a function there last year and the club house was still in tact though. Lots of memories there for me..aside from playing juniour events and later badge competition...it was the first place I ball-boyed (1984 or 85??? NSW OPEN)...lots of fun memories.

DutchieGirl
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:24 PM
Thank you sooo much for the details. :D I should think about going to Sydney after reading your post. Climbing the Bridge was the only interesting thing to me cause I was raised in the big city all the time.
But being in Sydney for a couple days would be nice. Maybe I got to cut off time in Melbourne and spend more time in Sydney.
By the way, I was going drive a car from Melbourne to Sydney rather than flight. Is it a good choice? I hope some good scenic view through the road.
:D
umm honestly, NO!!! Trust me, I have done it a few times, and also a few times to Canberra, which is close and it takes like 10 hours and it's way boring! Really, the scenery is either trees, or paddocks. From Melbourne to Albury (at the border of Victoria and NSW) it's so boring, and really nothing to look at! Take it from me, who travels alot by car (ie Albury/Wodonga, Canberra, Mildura, even Brisbane), it's not really fun, especially if you are driving by yourself. Then I think it will take even longer then 10 hours. Usually I am driving with my Dad, and so we can tak it in turns driving.

Have you decided where you would most like to see yet? It will be difficult to see Melbourne, Tasmania, Uluru. Sydney and the Great Barrier Reef in 10 days... oh and the great ocean road... although I also think it's nothing special.

Experimentee
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:07 PM
I agree about the drive, once I drove to Echuca from Melbourne, which is not even half as far as Melbourne to Sydney and I was so bored! It took a few hours and the scenery was boring. Just mainly flat paddocks, and it looks the same the whole time. I havent driven from Melbourne to Sydney, but I would estimate that it would take more than 10 hours, and isnt worth your time.

nicky
Sep 23rd, 2004, 09:22 PM
I'll chip in my two cents as well :).

If you're going to the Barrier Reef - which I highly recommend - I suggest you do not go to (or stay in) Cairns. I didn't find it a very nice city. But if you go a little up north, to Cape Tribulation, there is this wonderfull Youth hostel, Crocodilus Village, where you stay in a sort of hut under the canopy of the rain forest. A unique experience, I can assure you, although I didn't really sleep well because of all the strange noises ;). Check this site: http://www.yha.com.au/hostels/details.cfm?hostelid=44

Another advantage: if you take your trip to the reef from there, it only takes the boat one hour (about 3 hours from Cairns), which gives you a lot more time to snorkel (?) or dive. And the companies/boats operating from there are a lot smaller , which is much more fun.

You can get from Cairns to Cape Tribulation by car (but I think you need a 4WD) or by bus, which is cheaper than renting a car.


If you are going to Uluru, you better fly there, otherwise you'll probably spend two days on a long (and not even winding) road, with absolutely nothing to see. Should you fly to Alice Springs, you might consider taking an organised camping trip, since the ride from there takes a couple of hours as well, and a guide always knows more things to show you. We took a 3-day trip that included King's canyon & Kata Tjuta, and we didn't regret a single minute of it. (Well, except when it happened to rain for the first time in months, and our tents had been placed at the lowest point of the camping site :rolleyes: ;) :) )

And as somebody already said before: Sydney is not an ordinary city - I absolutely loved the place. Take Bionic's advice and visit the places he listed!

Hope this is of some help. Have a great trip :) :wavey:

Eric_tennis
Sep 24th, 2004, 04:01 AM
Thank you sooooo much, guys! :wavey: :hearts:
I really appreciate all of your posts. :D

It's my first visit to Australia, and I'm now very excited to know many kind Aussie posters. I'm not a kind of active poster, so I didn't expect many kind replies and comments like this. I'm really touched, and it really make me feel great now.

Now, I'm going to Airport in 2 hours but I printed out all of your posts and will read them all again in the plane.

Thank you all~~ :hearts:

Lemonskin.
Sep 24th, 2004, 04:47 AM
My suggestion: Do Sydney for a few days, Melbourne/Phillip Island for a few days, maybe Tassie for a few days...

...the outback isn't for everyone. It's not so much things to DO as SEEING sights. I've been there a few times (I live in Sydney) and I thought it was a bit boring. Too bloody hot. But that's not to say you wouldn't enjoy it.

If you were coming in the next two weeks I'd suggest you go to the Bathurst 1000, which is the perrenial Aussie car race. It's a real Aussie icon.

Lemonskin.
Sep 24th, 2004, 04:49 AM
Guess I should have read that closer :p.

Never mind those suggestions :P

switz
Sep 24th, 2004, 11:32 AM
Of course...next time you are here I will give you directions.

Oh ...Rushcutters Bay and Edgecliff are difficult to navigate....I only live 10 mins away and I still get lost in there....it is like a rabbit tunnel.
I have played many many times at the old White City....unfortunately not much is left now as much was sold off for development. I attended a function there last year and the club house was still in tact though. Lots of memories there for me..aside from playing juniour events and later badge competition...it was the first place I ball-boyed (1984 or 85??? NSW OPEN)...lots of fun memories.

white city is not gone at all bionic. i'm a member and it's exactly the same as it has always been. the premises is owned by tennis nsw - the club has bought the land south of canal which includes all the good grasscourts, centre court, and all the hardcourts used for the adidas international. tennis nsw has plans to develop the land north of the canal but council is not likely to let it through.

we have just approved an application from John Alexander's company to re-develop the land we bought. the club will be renovated and centre court will br modified to incorporate a new state of the art gym and swimming centre. the museum etc will be kept as will the centre court itself, the historic southern stand, and all the surrounding courts

switz
Sep 24th, 2004, 11:37 AM
also eric - as has been said sydney is far from a normal city. i lived on the harbour all my life and i still am breathtaken by the view. it truely is the world's most beatiful city scenically speaking and apart from that the beach lifestyle and the city itself gives it a great feel.

the barrier reef is amazing as well.

i would suggest that you're making a big mistake trying to fit a lot into such a short time. it's not like travelling in europe. it's just starting to get hot in sydney, queensland etc as well. you should either extend the trip or just do the GBR, Uluru and Sydney IMO

switz
Sep 24th, 2004, 11:41 AM
here's a good site

http://www.travelandleisure.com/destination/australia.cfm

sydney is world's no.1 city!!

DutchieGirl
Sep 24th, 2004, 12:34 PM
*cough* :BS: *cough* :p

switz
Sep 24th, 2004, 12:59 PM
*cough* :BS: *cough* :p

that's not my personal opinion, it's no.1 according to this well regarded site's survey for the last 4 years. i think sydney harbour is the world's best and the landmarks are great but i don't think we have the best city overall.

please don't say though that you think a dutch city is the world's best inky :)

bionic71
Sep 25th, 2004, 07:15 AM
white city is not gone at all bionic. i'm a member and it's exactly the same as it has always been. the premises is owned by tennis nsw - the club has bought the land south of canal which includes all the good grasscourts, centre court, and all the hardcourts used for the adidas international. tennis nsw has plans to develop the land north of the canal but council is not likely to let it through.

we have just approved an application from John Alexander's company to re-develop the land we bought. the club will be renovated and centre court will br modified to incorporate a new state of the art gym and swimming centre. the museum etc will be kept as will the centre court itself, the historic southern stand, and all the surrounding courtsI suppose I should have clarified my statement saying that much of the proposed development (after the NSW OPEN and TENNIS NSW relocated to Homebush) has not eventuated...thankfully many of the proposals were put to rest. I played much junior tennis there in the 80s...well before the rebound ace courts were installed, and even though I am a fan of grass courts myself, I miss the warm, natural setting that was once White City.

From my perspective White City is "not exactly the same as it always has been"...it is no longer our NSW tennis headquarters, and once the Rebound Ace was installed it lost some of the charm (once again, this is my perspective)...and that was the point I was making. I loved the pre 90s version of the site and find our new Tennis NSW facility at Homebush to be sterile and unwelcoming.

I am aware that Tennis NSW owns the premises...I am also aware of the difficulties being experienced at council level with regard to the surrounding land as you mention...particularly that on the Northern side.

Cheers:) ...for updating the outdated info I posted.

Eric_tennis
Sep 28th, 2004, 12:03 PM
Hi, all. :wavey:

Thank you so much. :D

Now, I'm at an internet cafe in Alice Springs. I just finished my 3day safari tour on Outback (Ulrulu & King's Canyon). Tomorrow morning, I go for ballooning and then leave fo Cairns. I'll stay ther for 4 days and will head to Sydney.
It would be greatly appreciated how to spend my time in Cairns and Sydney.
I reserved all of my iternery using Qantas holiday package (flight and accomodation except Cairns)
Is there any good place in Cairns where I can stay and enjoy ocean activity?
Thanks in advance.
:D

Eric_tennis
Sep 29th, 2004, 03:42 AM
Guess I should have read that closer :p.

Never mind those suggestions :P
Thanks anyway. If I had more time, I would do so.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the outback very much. Climbing Ulrulu and looking around King's canyon was good. And we(the group members of 3 day safari) had a good time in a night club in Alice springs. Only annoying thing was soooo active flies. They're maybe the most aggressive flies in the world. :eek:

Eric_tennis
Sep 29th, 2004, 03:49 AM
also eric - as has been said sydney is far from a normal city. i lived on the harbour all my life and i still am breathtaken by the view. it truely is the world's most beatiful city scenically speaking and apart from that the beach lifestyle and the city itself gives it a great feel.

the barrier reef is amazing as well.

i would suggest that you're making a big mistake trying to fit a lot into such a short time. it's not like travelling in europe. it's just starting to get hot in sydney, queensland etc as well. you should either extend the trip or just do the GBR, Uluru and Sydney IMO
Thanks for your advice.
I actually cut down all other plans and will focus above three. (That's the only option I can take. :sad: ) I'm staying for Outback for 4 days, and will leave for Cairns this afternoon. After spending several days there, I will head for Sydney for my last destination in Australia. People in Australia are sooo kind to me. Even every sales person in store are soo kind and pay me too much time, so sometimes I have to buy something unnecessary stuff considering their effort. ;)

Eric_tennis
Sep 29th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Hey...don' be bagging QANTAS! :p My Dad works for them and they are a great airline, but obviously not as cheap as Virgin or jetstar (altought jetstar comes from QANTAS anyway). ;)

Thank you so much. :wavey:
Anyway, I made whole arrangement using Qantas Holiday package (flight+hotel+tour program) except programs in Cairns. ;)
They have a good program, but I hate to follow all-set tour program, that's why I didn't make any arrangement in Cairns except flight.
Still wondering what can I do in Cairns, though.
:)

Bjorkman_Girl
Sep 29th, 2004, 05:08 AM
Hi Eric :wavey:
I live in Sydney, and a couple of cheap things you could do, but get a lot out of, would be the half hour ferry ride to Manly (from Circular Quay - where the bridge is). You'll get to see some of the coast, and you might get lucky and see some wildlife out there. Hopefully our weather will clear up. Summer's just around the corner and today it's been really hot, but it looks like its gonna storm :lol:

Also, if you've got a lot of money to spend on dining, I'd recommend 'Wildfire', opposite the Opera House. Its expensive, but the quality is great, and the staff are wonderful. If you want a less formal dining area, then I recommend Blackbird, which is in Darling Harbour (on the city side). The food is cheap, the view is nice, and the staff have been known to dance on the bar there from time to time :)

Some other things:
*Centrepoint Tower - you can go to the top and have a great view of the city.
*The Rocks - great markets, you can see a lot of the city's history.
*Kings Cross - for the 'alternative' lifestyle ;)

The bridgeclimb was a good idea... I've done it, our tour guide was a new zealander :rolleyes: lol, had a lot of fun with other tourists.

I hope you enjoy yourself!
Kristen.

Bjorkman_Girl
Oct 1st, 2004, 06:35 AM
Poor Eric. It's pi$$ing down with rain in Sydney at the moment. Has been all day :rolleyes: but we need it :yeah:

Eric_tennis
Oct 5th, 2004, 09:00 AM
Poor Eric. It's pi$$ing down with rain in Sydney at the moment. Has been all day :rolleyes: but we need it :yeah:
Thanks a lot for your comments. :D
Unfortunately, I could see your post after coming back home. :sad:
Anyway, that's the day (Oct. 1) I went to Sydney for the fist time from Cairns. When I arrived at Cairns airport, the Qantas guy said to me while smiling like this. "You have good news and bad news. Bad news is your flight will be delayed for 2 and half hours due to heavy rain in Sydney. But the Good news is you can have $12 free meal if you show this boarding card in a restaurant in this airport." :mad: :fiery: What the hell with free $12 meal. :mad: He could have almost ruined my holiday with that sour comments if I hadn't tried to stay calm.

Eric_tennis
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:15 AM
Hello, all~ :wavey:

I could really enjoy the holidays in Australia with your kind advices. I really appreciate your posts. :D

My holiday was only 12 days (I extended one more day during the trip), so I couldn't visit all the places you guys recommended. But hopefully, I could visit Australia again next year or the next year.

Followings are the places and what I did there.

1. Melbourne : Stayed 2 days.
Wanted to rent a car and drive Great Ocean Road, but couldn't do it cause I get up late, and one of the posters said it was not that great. ;)
I visited Australian Open venue and took some photos. :) It was somewhat disappointing to know it's not a dedicated tennis stadium :sad:, and most of the stadium's name was from sponsors'.

2. Ayers Rock & Alice Springs. : Stayed 4 days.
Climbed up to the top of Uluru (aka Ayers Rock) and it was great. :) Took some photos of Uluru and Olga. Took a trail in the King's Canyon. It was done by a 3 day outback safari tour with international young travellers. It was really fun to hang out with young girls and guys in a long time. They were from Swiss,Mexico,Japan, Germany, Ireland, Scotland and France. :) No Aussie. :eek: ;) Had a good time with them in the outback sleeping outside with swag & sleeping bag. Also had good farewell party in a night club in the last day.
In Alice spings, I enjoyed air ballooning for the first time and could see the Kangaroo in wildlife for the first time. (my 6th day in Aussie)
One more thing, I watched the biggest shooting star I've ever seen while sleeping outside in a swag. :bounce:

3. Cairns : Stayed 3 day.
In Cairns, I stayed in a kind of youth hostel for the first time in my life. :eek: ;) The name was Gilligans and staying there was a not bad experience.
First day, took some photo at the beach and enjoyed night entertainment.
Second day, took a cruise and enjoyed scuba diving(only 30 min) and snorkling in the Great Barrier Reef. It was really beautiful place.
On that night, I happend to find myself awakened by some strange sound. I was sleeping on top of second story bed in 4 person dorm room, and a guy and gilr having sex on the other bed. At first, it was quite embarrasing and couldn't sleep back for 20 minutes and anyway fell to asleep cause I was very tired.
Thrid day, I visit Kurunda tropical forest area with half day tour program, and took 1 hour helicopter tour to Great Barrier Reef. It was really fantastic, so I would recommend anyone to do the helicopter thing and I took many great pictures of GBR and could watch dolphins swimming down my leg. (The Hellicopter was designed for sightseeing so most of the part was transparent glass and with only two passenger.)

4. Sydney : stayed 3 day.
1st day : Arrived late due to flight delay due to storm. Had to change my room after midnight for poor heating system. (Stayed in 'The Sebel Pier One', most of utility was so-so, but I hate their heating system)
2nd day : Went to Blue Mountain and spend all day there. I could see the most complete Rainbow I've ever seen, and it lasted soooo long. An old couple on the road said to me it would bring me a good luck. (Later I bought a Lotto by that comment but it turned out to be wrong, though ;) )
Went to darling harbour, and there were a Festival, '2004 Fiesta'. It was really hilarious one and felt like to dance, the latin one. But I don't know the step. The people there were really enjoying the night and the Cuban band Musig. I'm gonna have Latin dance lesson, someday. :angel:
Visit to King's Cross area at late night. But couldn't find anything special,.. just plain and boring. (No chance against Amsterdam in the respect) ;)
3rd day : Visit to Manly beach using Ferry and took some picture, buying something in a department store. Considering going to Bondi beach but gave up. ( If I had known it was topless beach, I would have gone there. I knew that in the airport in the evening. :mad: :fiery: ) Cause I've never been to that kind of beach. :o


Overall, it was really great holiday to me, and I really enjoyed it.
Thank you, again.
:wavey:

Buitenzorg
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:17 AM
welcome to australia :) you will love this country and enjoy your visit ;)

Buitenzorg
Oct 6th, 2004, 02:19 AM
12 days around australia I don't think is enough though maybe a little bit too rushing ;) but enjoy!

Eric_tennis
Oct 6th, 2004, 08:42 AM
12 days around australia I don't think is enough though maybe a little bit too rushing ;) but enjoy!
Thanks for kind words, but I've enjoyed the holiday already. ;)