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CJ07
Sep 22nd, 2004, 01:05 AM
on these reality shows? I mean please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't watch TV, but every single promo or bit or piece of these reality shows its ALWAYS the black dude/girl causing trouble.

Not only on the reality shows, but Real World too. I used to watch that show religiously and it was ALWAYS the black dude that went off on everyone all the time.

Now if thats there personality than thats there personality, but somehow I find it hard to believe thats the case :mad:

AGAIN, I might be wrong. If I am, please correct me.

But I think I'm right.

lizchris
Sep 22nd, 2004, 04:31 PM
on these reality shows? I mean please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't watch TV, but every single promo or bit or piece of these reality shows its ALWAYS the black dude/girl causing trouble.

Not only on the reality shows, but Real World too. I used to watch that show religiously and it was ALWAYS the black dude that went off on everyone all the time.

Now if thats there personality than thats there personality, but somehow I find it hard to believe thats the case :mad:

AGAIN, I might be wrong. If I am, please correct me.

But I think I'm right.

Because that is the reality of the people who are repsonsible for the shows and they are white males.

GBFH
Sep 22nd, 2004, 04:40 PM
don't remember which real world it was, but that dude puck was a real asshole, and white.

Neely OHara
Sep 22nd, 2004, 04:41 PM
Nobody died yet lizchris is here. Egads!

lizchris
Sep 22nd, 2004, 04:48 PM
Nobody died yet lizchris is here. Egads!
The filmaker Russ Meyer and one half (ton) of the Weather Girls died recently.

lizchris
Sep 22nd, 2004, 04:49 PM
don't remember which real world it was, but that dude puck was a real asshole, and white.
He was an aberation. He was the one who badgered the guy with AIDS who has since died from the disease.

griffin
Sep 22nd, 2004, 05:06 PM
don't remember which real world it was, but that dude puck was a real asshole, and white.

It's not that they don't have white assholes, it's how many black assholes the cast compared to home many black people they cast as a whole. It's definitely skewed.

GBFH
Sep 22nd, 2004, 05:21 PM
It's not that they don't have white assholes, it's how many black assholes the cast compared to home many black people they cast as a whole. It's definitely skewed. well the thread starter said it's always the black dudes/dudettes who caused probs on the real world, and i offered puck as an exception.

i agree with your post, though. it's also prevalent in films...anyone ever see, 'not another teen movie' and one of the characters called himself 'the token black guy?' i can't think of any movie off the top of my head where a black actor wasn't cast as the stereotypical buddy or 'angry black man.'

unless it's something like 'boyz in the hood' or 'friday' where the cast is all-black.

Black Mamba.
Sep 22nd, 2004, 05:23 PM
Real World Sand Diego one of the sensible and nice ones happened to be Black and he represented Black people in a postive way, but I understand where you are coming from. Sometimes I shake my head when I see Black folks up on TV making a fool of themselves because that reflects bad on me because it perpetuates stereotypes that all Black people are angry, militant, loud, don't like White people, and are violent.

Dana Marcy
Sep 22nd, 2004, 09:19 PM
on these reality shows? I mean please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't watch TV, but every single promo or bit or piece of these reality shows its ALWAYS the black dude/girl causing trouble.

Not only on the reality shows, but Real World too. I used to watch that show religiously and it was ALWAYS the black dude that went off on everyone all the time.

Now if thats there personality than thats there personality, but somehow I find it hard to believe thats the case :mad:

AGAIN, I might be wrong. If I am, please correct me.

But I think I'm right.

The reason is because the powers that be won't pick regular black folks for these shows. I'm sure that they try out for these shows but they aren't picked because they aren't ghetto or don't have an attitude or don't have a chip on their shoulder. Those are the kinds of black people that most people including some black folks like seeing on reality shows. Look at Marvin on Big Brother. If he spoke proper English and didn't make any waves people would find him boring. LOL

Helen Lawson
Sep 22nd, 2004, 09:31 PM
When I was making movies, Black people could either play the "house-help type" or they ended up as the "unemployed type" off screen, so progress is being made. Being a bitch and backstabber or shit-stirer on a reality show is way better than playing a mamie or a housemaid. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not like it was before!

Knizzle
Sep 22nd, 2004, 09:40 PM
They try to pick militant black people to "shock" the people who come from areas where black people aren't prevalent.

Stamp Paid
Sep 22nd, 2004, 09:47 PM
Well, you had Kwame from the Apprentice, who was a cool brother.

Knizzle
Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:21 PM
Well, you had Kwame from the Apprentice, who was a cool brother.
I didn't like him. He was phony to me. Got Omarosa fired then was dumb enough to pick her for his team in the final task.

OUT!
Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:39 PM
The reason is because the powers that be won't pick regular black folks for these shows. I'm sure that they try out for these shows but they aren't picked because they aren't ghetto or don't have an attitude or don't have a chip on their shoulder. So a regular black person is one that is non-confrontational and who doesn't have a chip on his or her shoulder?

CJ07
Sep 23rd, 2004, 02:21 AM
So a regular black person is one that is non-confrontational and who doesn't have a chip on his or her shoulder?
see this is the problem.

There is no such thing as a "regular" black person. Everyone is their own person.

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 04:33 AM
So a regular black person is one that is non-confrontational and who doesn't have a chip on his or her shoulder?

No. What I meant was that the reality shows won't pick black folks who are just regular. The black women usually have to be acting ghetto in some fashion and the black men have to be intimidating and be angry at the world. They can't be regular as in under the radar like about half the people who are on reality shows. Haven't you noticed that in a reality show that half of the people on them are just normal and sensible and the other half are the troublemakers? Black people on those shows are rarely normal and sensible and fly under the radar because the powers that be prefer black people who act up especially in a stereotypical way. It wouldn't be so bad if there was balance but since most of the shows usually just have 1 black person it's annoying to a lot of us that they always pick the stereotype to be on the shows.

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 04:35 AM
see this is the problem.

There is no such thing as a "regular" black person. Everyone is their own person.

Everyone is their own person but you'd never know that by watching reality shows which is what I think was the point you were trying to make with this thread.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:09 AM
hey you forgot on the real world if the black guy's not angrywith a chip on his shoulder then he *only* dates white girls *cough* Cyrus or is that Syrus??...:unsure:

:lol: :haha:

Mohammed was the only exception in the history of the show. They made sure to never repeat that mistake. :D

I didn't see the Vegas show though so maybe there was a regular guy on that one? :scratch:

If you went by the guys on Real World you really would think Black men can't control their anger. I mean even when they were gay they blow their lid, ie Stephen from Seattle...now that whole slapping of Irene was hilarious but it really was just another brotha who can't handle confrontation on Real World. :shrug:

Now about other reality shows....I don't watch many. I can just imagine what's going. I mean watching one episode of 5th Wheel is enough to make me want to puke.

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:12 AM
They try to pick militant black people to "shock" the people who come from areas where black people aren't prevalent.

Could you be any more politically correct? LOL ;)

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:17 AM
hey you forgot on the real world if the black guy's not angrywith a chip on his shoulder then he *only* dates white girls *cough* Cyrus or is that Syrus??...:unsure:

:lol: :haha:

Mohammed was the only exception in the history of the show. They made sure to never repeat that mistake. :D

I didn't see the Vegas show though so maybe there was a regular guy on that one? :scratch:

If you went by the guys on Real World you really would think Black men can't control their anger. I mean even when they were gay they blow their lid, ie Stephen from Seattle...now that whole slapping of Irene was hilarious but it really was just another brotha who can't handle confrontation on Real World. :shrug:

Now about other reality shows....I don't watch many. I can just imagine what's going. I mean watching one episode of 5th Wheel is enough to make me want to puke.

I lost interest in the RW a long time ago but I follow what you're saying. :) Cyrus, Stephen, militant Kevin from RW1 (who is a smart brother and is doing well for himself as a writer/lecturer) and David the clown from RW2 are good examples of the stereotypes we're all talking about.

LMAO@5th Wheel. :haha:

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:21 AM
Oh I forgot to say about Mohammed. They said later on the reunion that he didn't get a lot of screen time because he wasn't around enough. :rolleyes: Yawl remember when that crybaby white girl asked Mohammed's girlfriend if she was half white? :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:21 AM
I lost interest in the RW a long time ago but I follow what you're saying. :) Cyrus, Stephen, militant Kevin from RW1 (who is a smart brother and is doing well for himself as a writer/lecturer) and David the clown from RW2 are good examples of the stereotypes we're all talking about.

LMAO@5th Wheel. :haha:
Kevin from Season one is so interesting. He was crazy confrontational...:lol: However, I think his issue stemmed from a crush on Julie and he didn't know how to deal with that since he was suppose to be all about the black but he sooo wanted him some Julie. :tape:

He should've just went for it....then he wouldn't have had to scream in her face..:lol:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:24 AM
Oh I forgot to say about Mohammed. They said later on the reunion that he didn't get a lot of screen time becasue he wasn't around enough. :rolleyes: Yawl remember when that crybaby white girl asked Mohammed's girlfriend if she was half white? :lol:
:lol: Yeah I remember that. I remember that look she gave her too. :tape: I think the girl said something about mixed people being pretty or something like that. :haha: I could be remembering it wrong though.

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:27 AM
Kevin from Season one is so interesting. He was crazy confrontational...:lol: However, I think his issue stemmed from a crush on Julie and he didn't know how to deal with that since he was suppose to be all about the black but he sooo wanted him some Julie. :tape:

He should've just went for it....then he wouldn't have had to scream in her face..:lol:

He wanted no such thing. :p Julie represented the narrow-minded crackers that hated Kevin for being intelligent. He was trying to school her not screw her. LOL ;)

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:33 AM
:lol: Yeah I remember that. I remember that look she gave her too. :tape: I think the girl said something about mixed people being pretty or something like that. :haha: I could be remembering it wrong though.

No that's pretty much how it happened. Mo's gf gave crybaby a WTF? look and then Mo had to smooth it over saying it was healthy for crybaby to be curious but at the same telling crybaby that it was insensitive to ask a high yellow sister a question like that. And then crybaby cried some more. :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:36 AM
He wanted no such thing. :p Julie represented the narrow-minded crackers that hated Kevin for being intelligent. He was trying to school her not screw her. LOL ;)
:lol:, I'm sure that's what he told his friends....:unsure:

:p

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:37 AM
No that's pretty much how it happened. Mo's gf gave crybaby a WTF? look and then Mo had to smooth it over saying it was healthy for crybaby to be curious but at the same telling crybaby that it was insensitive to ask a high yellow sister a question like that. And then crybaby cried some more. :lol:
:lol:

It was riot. :D

OUT!
Sep 23rd, 2004, 01:09 PM
see this is the problem.

There is no such thing as a "regular" black person. Everyone is their own person.LOL that was my point.

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2004, 03:59 PM
hey you forgot on the real world if the black guy's not angrywith a chip on his shoulder then he *only* dates white girls *cough* Cyrus or is that Syrus??...:unsure:

:lol: :haha:

Mohammed was the only exception in the history of the show. They made sure to never repeat that mistake. :D

I didn't see the Vegas show though so maybe there was a regular guy on that one? :scratch:

If you went by the guys on Real World you really would think Black men can't control their anger. I mean even when they were gay they blow their lid, ie Stephen from Seattle...now that whole slapping of Irene was hilarious but it really was just another brotha who can't handle confrontation on Real World. :shrug:

Now about other reality shows....I don't watch many. I can just imagine what's going. I mean watching one episode of 5th Wheel is enough to make me want to puke.
Concerning Stephen, I was always taught that men aren't supposed to hit women, but everytime I watch what happened, to me it's almost like she deserved it, lol. Especially since she let the Real World producers talk her into to saying that mess to him. And yes it was hilarious. He popped her HARD in the face. Her head flew back and banged into the headrest. :haha: :haha:

griffin
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:25 PM
Especially since she let the Real World producers talk her into to saying that mess to him.

OT, but I actually know a guy who was on RW a few years back. By the end of it he was pretty much mortified by his own behavior, but he said the show's producers were incredibly manipulative behind the scenes, to the point where they engendered some really destructive behavior. Basically, they're going for drama and controversy to maximize ratings.

Maybe that's not so OT, because I think they cast for stereotype to help create drama/bs they think their audience will buy into more quickly.

DeDe4925
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:31 PM
don't remember which real world it was, but that dude puck was a real asshole, and white.
That's true and the black dude was a really nice guy. I believe he was a musician, but he was hardly home. :p

DeDe4925
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:32 PM
I'm just sick of the black women on the Apprentice being villified. It's a bad representation of what real black women are like. I just think if the Apprentice needs controversey, they can come up with another concept.

DeDe4925
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:32 PM
Chip and Kim were not portrayed badly in TAR.

DeDe4925
Sep 23rd, 2004, 05:36 PM
When I was making movies, Black people could either play the "house-help type" or they ended up as the "unemployed type" off screen, so progress is being made. Being a bitch and backstabber or shit-stirer on a reality show is way better than playing a mamie or a housemaid. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not like it was before!
:rolleyes: Helen didn't take her meds this morning, again.

Dana Marcy
Sep 23rd, 2004, 08:56 PM
I'm just sick of the black women on the Apprentice being villified. It's a bad representation of what real black women are like. I just think if the Apprentice needs controversey, they can come up with another concept.

If not come up with another concept then they could at least pick a second black woman to show some balance. Unfortunately Omarosa's and Stacey's actions still reflect poorly on black people in some people's minds.

DeDe4925
Sep 23rd, 2004, 09:08 PM
If not come up with another concept then they could at least pick a second black woman to show some balance. Unfortunately Omarosa's and Stacey's actions still reflect poorly on black people in some people's minds.
Yeah, but I don't really think Stacie J. did anything wrong. She's just a different kind of person and obviously one that doesn't take any shit. I saw extra board room scenes and the way they cut and edited the regular broadcast made her look insane. Like she went off on her own to get temps when that bitch Ivana told her to do so just to keep her busy. Since she's not this backstabbing, lying bitch that they portrayed Omorosa as, they are trying to portray her as being crazy. :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2004, 10:53 PM
OT, but I actually know a guy who was on RW a few years back. By the end of it he was pretty much mortified by his own behavior, but he said the show's producers were incredibly manipulative behind the scenes, to the point where they engendered some really destructive behavior. Basically, they're going for drama and controversy to maximize ratings.

Maybe that's not so OT, because I think they cast for stereotype to help create drama/bs they think their audience will buy into more quickly.
Oh, who was it? I'm talking about your friend on RW. Spill the beans....:hehehe:

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 23rd, 2004, 10:57 PM
Real World Sand Diego one of the sensible and nice ones happened to be Black and he represented Black people in a postive way,

DA HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a Morehouse man...What do you expect? :angel:

harloo
Sep 24th, 2004, 02:30 AM
I don't think we should look at it as a black thing exclusively. Reality TV is based on finding outrageous characters who cater to stereotypes.

You simply have the breakdown:

The token asian
The angry black male
The bitch
The outsider
The flaming gay guy
The goth chick
The slut
The religious fanatic
The naive small town guy/girl
and The Racially confused

Of course you have a few who may turn out to be different, but for the most part the producers find these type of people to create conflict on the show. The purpose of any successful reality show is to keep the drama at a high level so the audience will continue to tune in.

In reality, REALITY TV is a carefully scripted fictional show. The editing of these shows are done so well, you would think that everyone is at each other's throat 24 hours a day.

My opinion is that no race of people should look to reality tv stars as some type of representation of who they are. Television should be a source of entertainment and ifsomeone judges a race on the actions of one person on a show then they are very ignorant.

Knizzle
Sep 24th, 2004, 02:34 AM
OT, but I actually know a guy who was on RW a few years back. By the end of it he was pretty much mortified by his own behavior, but he said the show's producers were incredibly manipulative behind the scenes, to the point where they engendered some really destructive behavior. Basically, they're going for drama and controversy to maximize ratings.

Maybe that's not so OT, because I think they cast for stereotype to help create drama/bs they think their audience will buy into more quickly.
OT? :scratch:

Forgive me I'm slow.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 24th, 2004, 02:37 AM
Many people here bring up some good points, I just wanted to mention that the only reality TV show I've been watching this past summer is the amazing race, where this stereotype is the farthest thing from the truth! The only black couple on the show not only won, but was beloved! And for good reason. They were the only ones that didn't get ridiculous and childish and embarass themselves at some point during the program.

So no, you aren't right.

Dana Marcy
Sep 24th, 2004, 06:58 AM
I don't think we should look at it as a black thing exclusively. Reality TV is based on finding outrageous characters who cater to stereotypes.

You simply have the breakdown:

The token asian
The angry black male
The bitch
The outsider
The flaming gay guy
The goth chick
The slut
The religious fanatic
The naive small town guy/girl
and The Racially confused

Of course you have a few who may turn out to be different, but for the most part the producers find these type of people to create conflict on the show. The purpose of any successful reality show is to keep the drama at a high level so the audience will continue to tune in.

In reality, REALITY TV is a carefully scripted fictional show. The editing of these shows are done so well, you would think that everyone is at each other's throat 24 hours a day.

My opinion is that no race of people should look to reality tv stars as some type of representation of who they are. Television should be a source of entertainment and ifsomeone judges a race on the actions of one person on a show then they are very ignorant.

This was a good well thought out post but you're obviously a fan of The Real World because your stereotypes pretty much only fit RW and Road Rules. It doesn't apply to the more recent reality hits like Survivor (in 9 editions there have only been 2 Asian contestants), The Amazing Race (no Asians in 5 editions) and The Apprentice (in 2 editions they've had a token LOL).

But since you're a RW fan of sorts I'll tell you this much. In each one there's an unofficial lead guy (and he's ALWAYS white) that MTV is trying to push as the hunk. Look at RW Philly. MJ is the stud but Karamo is relegated to the background in the way they're editing it. I know as do most people that it's all in the editing but the roles still aren't equal. The RW is NOT going to cast a brother that looks like Morris Chestnut or Boris Kodjoe because they would overshadow (no pun intended LOL) the white guy that MTV wants to be the lead guy on that particular edition of RW.

"The racially confused"? Shavonda? LOL :angel:

Oh and where does the cast of Making The Band fit into the equation? :lol:

Dana Marcy
Sep 24th, 2004, 07:07 AM
Many people here bring up some good points, I just wanted to mention that the only reality TV show I've been watching this past summer is the amazing race, where this stereotype is the farthest thing from the truth! The only black couple on the show not only won, but was beloved! And for good reason. They were the only ones that didn't get ridiculous and childish and embarass themselves at some point during the program.

So no, you aren't right.

There's no arguing that Chip & Kim were popular with the viewers but The Amazing Race has had a few black buffoons of sorts in the past. There was Frank and Margarita who were called something like "the single parents" (I wonder if they were white if CBS would've still pointed out that they had a child out of wedlock). Frank was the angry black man and Margarita the smart but docile black woman who put up with his sh_t. There was also Lenny (lazy, shiftless) and Karen (whiny, unsupportive, emasculating). There was that cartoonish brother and sister team who should've never been cast. There were the twins who didn't seem very bright.

Dana Marcy
Sep 24th, 2004, 07:09 AM
OT? :scratch:

Forgive me I'm slow.

OT = :topic:

Crazy Canuck
Sep 24th, 2004, 08:33 AM
There's no arguing that Chip & Kim were popular with the viewers but The Amazing Race has had a few black buffoons of sorts in the past. There was Frank and Margarita who were called something like "the single parents" (I wonder if they were white if CBS would've still pointed out that they had a child out of wedlock). Frank was the angry black man and Margarita the smart but docile black woman who put up with his sh_t. There was also Lenny (lazy, shiftless) and Karen (whiny, unsupportive, emasculating). There was that cartoonish brother and sister team who should've never been cast. There were the twins who didn't seem very bright.
Admittedly, this was my first season watching the Amazing Race, so I missed out on all the others. I will take your word for it.

In fact, apparently my reality TV experience has been more limited than I thought, because the seasons of Survivor and the Amazing Race that I have watched lacked individuals who were cast to be, more or less, the "token" black person.

Aside from Alicia of Survivor, none of the people that I've seen were very "in your face" and really, even she was only like that if you got up into her business ;)

The individuals that come to mind are C... C.... I can't remember his name! Arggg. I'm thinking Survivor Africa, the good looking fellow who got pegged early on for eating the cherry when he took care of somebody who was sick? Clarence? That sound right. He was swell. He just got scapegoated for something stupid that happened on like, day three.

There was also Osten of Survivor Pearl Islands, who should go down as the biggest wuss in reality TV history ;)

I clearly don't watch enough TV to understand where the poster who started this thread is coming from.

cheesestix
Sep 24th, 2004, 12:52 PM
There's no arguing that Chip & Kim were popular with the viewers but The Amazing Race has had a few black buffoons of sorts in the past. There was Frank and Margarita who were called something like "the single parents" (I wonder if they were white if CBS would've still pointed out that they had a child out of wedlock). Frank was the angry black man and Margarita the smart but docile black woman who put up with his sh_t. There was also Lenny (lazy, shiftless) and Karen (whiny, unsupportive, emasculating). There was that cartoonish brother and sister team who should've never been cast. There were the twins who didn't seem very bright.

First of all, Chip and Kim were great!

You point out that there may have been some black buffoons, but there have been WAY MORE white buffoons/assholes on the show!

BTW, Frank and Margarita weren't "the single parents", I believe they were referred to as the "separated parents". Where's the negative connotation with that? Nobody said anything about a "child out of wedlock" or any such nonsense....so why did YOU remember it that way?

cheesestix
Sep 24th, 2004, 01:05 PM
The Amazing Race (no Asians in 5 editions)

Isn't Donny (of Alison and Donny) Asian?

But since you're a RW fan of sorts I'll tell you this much. In each one there's an unofficial lead guy (and he's ALWAYS white) that MTV is trying to push as the hunk. Look at RW Philly. MJ is the stud but Karamo is relegated to the background in the way they're editing it. I know as do most people that it's all in the editing but the roles still aren't equal. The RW is NOT going to cast a brother that looks like Morris Chestnut or Boris Kodjoe because they would overshadow (no pun intended LOL) the white guy that MTV wants to be the lead guy on that particular edition of RW.

Who was the "lead guy" in Real World San Diego? Brad (the drunk, often arrested guy)? Randy (the drunk guy)? I would think in most people's opinion that Jaquise (sp?) was the coolest guy on the show. Not a hunk, per se, but he seemed way cooler than any of other other guys on the show.

And who was the "lead guy" on RW San Francisco? Puck? Judd? Pedro? LOL. Yeah, that's a real stable of hunks.

And what about RW London? I don't remember any "lead guy" in that one.

And what about RW Paris? Who's the lead guy? Ace? LOL. Or was it CT? They made CT look like a total ass on that show.

And what about RW NY 2? Was it Kevin? Mike? LOL. Neither really stood out as a lead guy. Mike only seemed like a "lead guy" after RW was over and when he went on those RW/RR challenges.

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 24th, 2004, 11:18 PM
I didn't like him. He was phony to me. Got Omarosa fired then was dumb enough to pick her for his team in the final task.
I didn't like him either...and I hated him for getting Omarosa fired. I loved how she completely fucked him when he picked her for his final task :lol:. That girl is classic :hearts:.

Dana Marcy
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Admittedly, this was my first season watching the Amazing Race, so I missed out on all the others. I will take your word for it.

In fact, apparently my reality TV experience has been more limited than I thought, because the seasons of Survivor and the Amazing Race that I have watched lacked individuals who were cast to be, more or less, the "token" black person.

Aside from Alicia of Survivor, none of the people that I've seen were very "in your face" and really, even she was only like that if you got up into her business ;)

The individuals that come to mind are C... C.... I can't remember his name! Arggg. I'm thinking Survivor Africa, the good looking fellow who got pegged early on for eating the cherry when he took care of somebody who was sick? Clarence? That sound right. He was swell. He just got scapegoated for something stupid that happened on like, day three.

There was also Osten of Survivor Pearl Islands, who should go down as the biggest wuss in reality TV history ;)

I clearly don't watch enough TV to understand where the poster who started this thread is coming from.

Your post was nice and fair so please don't get offended by my comments. :)

Sorry I disagree because every black person picked for Survivor and TAR is picked for the role of the token black person. If the producers for both shows wanted more blacks on them they'd cast more. So since it's 1 black man and 1 black woman per show (usually) then I see it as tokenism.

On Survivor blacks have done well in that most of them have made the jury. They exploited Clarence as dangerous and greedy though it really seemed like a misunderstanding in the early going. He admitted after the show that the strike against him was that he intimidated a lot of the white people just with his strong presence (his looks weren't soft).

I disagree about Osten (though I know you said it with some humor). To me he was the first person to voluntarily quit the show. Others who were just as physically spent as Osten asked people to vote them off (Shawna from Amazon, Mitchell from Australia, etc).

The poster who started was commenting on not only the blacks selected to be on the shows (they favor confrontative types of blacks) but how editing made them appear to be in a certain that may have been not entirely true (as witnessed on The Apprentice last week when additional footage showed manipulation for dramatic effect)

Dana Marcy
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:17 PM
First of all, Chip and Kim were great!

You point out that there may have been some black buffoons, but there have been WAY MORE white buffoons/assholes on the show!

BTW, Frank and Margarita weren't "the single parents", I believe they were referred to as the "separated parents". Where's the negative connotation with that? Nobody said anything about a "child out of wedlock" or any such nonsense....so why did YOU remember it that way?

There have been more white buffoons on TAR but there are also just as many well-liked white contestants to counterbalance it. Black contestants don't have that luxury.

I stand corrected about F & M's label on TAR. My daughter checked for me and they were in fact called the "separated parents". I just remember that F&M's whole relationship coming across negative. Were they even married? Anyway they came in second so that it's a positive thing.

Dana Marcy
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Isn't Donny (of Alison and Donny) Asian?



Who was the "lead guy" in Real World San Diego? Brad (the drunk, often arrested guy)? Randy (the drunk guy)? I would think in most people's opinion that Jaquise (sp?) was the coolest guy on the show. Not a hunk, per se, but he seemed way cooler than any of other other guys on the show.

And who was the "lead guy" on RW San Francisco? Puck? Judd? Pedro? LOL. Yeah, that's a real stable of hunks.

And what about RW London? I don't remember any "lead guy" in that one.

And what about RW Paris? Who's the lead guy? Ace? LOL. Or was it CT? They made CT look like a total ass on that show.

And what about RW NY 2? Was it Kevin? Mike? LOL. Neither really stood out as a lead guy. Mike only seemed like a "lead guy" after RW was over and when he went on those RW/RR challenges.

I didn't know Donny was Asian. I thought he was Hispanic because he looks just like the kid from That 70's Show. Ok I stand corrected. Donny is the first Asian on TAR. LOL :worship:

As I said before I haven't kept up with RW in recent years so sorry I don't know people from RW SD, Chicago, LV, Paris, etc. I only know Philly because I watched it with my daughter last week and it was only 2 episodes.

We're just not going to agree about RW. :shrug: In the end my point is that RW will NEVER cast a brother who looks like Morris Chestnut or Boris Kodjoe because he will steal the show from the white guys they want to be the focus. Teck from RW Hawaii is more the type that RW likes to pick for their shows. LOL

harloo
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:31 PM
This was a good well thought out post but you're obviously a fan of The Real World because your stereotypes pretty much only fit RW and Road Rules. It doesn't apply to the more recent reality hits like Survivor (in 9 editions there have only been 2 Asian contestants), The Amazing Race (no Asians in 5 editions) and The Apprentice (in 2 editions they've had a token LOL).

But since you're a RW fan of sorts I'll tell you this much. In each one there's an unofficial lead guy (and he's ALWAYS white) that MTV is trying to push as the hunk. Look at RW Philly. MJ is the stud but Karamo is relegated to the background in the way they're editing it. I know as do most people that it's all in the editing but the roles still aren't equal. The RW is NOT going to cast a brother that looks like Morris Chestnut or Boris Kodjoe because they would overshadow (no pun intended LOL) the white guy that MTV wants to be the lead guy on that particular edition of RW.

"The racially confused"? Shavonda? LOL :angel:

Oh and where does the cast of Making The Band fit into the equation? :lol:
I am not really a big fan of Real World and Road Rules anymore because both shows are now very predictable. I still watch them from time to time though.:D

I don't really watch Survivor that often but I do remember one contestant I think her name was Alicia and she was the stereotype sister girl who shook her neck and waved her finger when she argued with other contestants.
LOL.

Their are different representations on a few other shows but for the most part I think stereotyping or type casting applies to all of reality tv. The reason why these people are chosen is because they have views and opinions that can sometimes outrage the average viewer.

You got me thinking of a few more reality characters:

I think I forgot the frat guy, and the Crybaby!!

Making The Band-Hood Rats!!:lol:

Dana Marcy
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:42 PM
I am not really a big fan of Real World and Road Rules anymore because both shows are now very predictable. I still watch them from time to time though.:D

I don't really watch Survivor that often but I do remember one contestant I think her name was Alicia and she was the stereotype sister girl who shook her neck and waved her finger when she argued with other contestants.
LOL.

Their are different representations on a few other shows but for the most part I think stereotyping or type casting applies to all of reality tv. The reason why these people are chosen is because they have views and opinions that can sometimes outrage the average viewer.

You got me thinking of a few more reality characters:

I think I forgot the frat guy, and the Crybaby!!

Making The Band-Hood Rats!!:lol:

Making The Band is extrememly popular in my community to where even adults watch it and sometimes they watch even more than the kids. :lol: The thing that gets me is that MTB is so ghetto but people of all races are addicted to it but if MTB was a reality show about about educated blacks these same people wouldn't even watch it. :rolleyes:

harloo
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:44 PM
I We're just not going to agree about RW. :shrug: In the end my point is that RW will NEVER cast a brother who looks like Morris Chestnut or Boris Kodjoe because he will steal the show from the white guys they want to be the focus. Teck from RW Hawaii is more the type that RW likes to pick for their shows. LOL
Well it seems like they always like to cast frat guys from suburban upbringings who think they are the shit, when actually they are :rolleyes: . In Philly I don't know what the RW producers were thinking when they casted MJ and the other dude.

For the most part a Boris or a Morris look alike will probably get too much attention in the house. Karamo was placed in the Philly house only too simply put a spin on the gay thing IMO. I guess MTV got tired of their own type casting and figured why not find a black gay male who seems straight. :rolleyes: :lol:

Knizzle
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:45 PM
Making The Band is extrememly popular in my community to where even adults watch it and sometimes they watch even more than the kids. :lol: The thing that gets me is that MTB is so ghetto but people of all races are addicted to it but if MTB was a reality show about about educated blacks these same people wouldn't even watch it. :rolleyes:
Who said they weren't educated??

Knizzle
Sep 25th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Well it seems like they always like to cast frat guys from suburban upbringings who think they are the shit, when actually they are :rolleyes: . In Philly I don't know what the RW producers were thinking when they casted MJ and the other dude.

For the most part a Boris or a Morris look alike will probably get too much attention in the house. Karamo was placed in the Philly house only too simply put a spin on the gay thing IMO. I guess MTV got tired of their own type casting and figured why not find a black gay male who seems straight. :rolleyes: :lol:
2 gay dudes made it on the show before 2 full blooded black males could. I hope next season they switch it up and have white culture be the minority in the house.

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Who said they weren't educated??
um, I'm saying it the contestants on Making the Band are not educated. :tape:

harloo
Sep 26th, 2004, 02:21 AM
Who said they weren't educated??
:haha: :haha:

Shenay La Soul
Sep 26th, 2004, 08:41 AM
My opinion is that no race of people should look to reality tv stars as some type of representation of who they are. Television should be a source of entertainment and ifsomeone judges a race on the actions of one person on a show then they are very ignorant.

Many people lose sight of that fact on a regular basis. If opinions of African-Americans were based solely on the impressions of us shown on television, we'd be the most reviled people in history. I never bought into that and never will.

Jakeev
Sep 26th, 2004, 10:28 AM
The filmaker Russ Meyer and one half (ton) of the Weather Girls died recently.
who did?

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2004, 06:27 PM
um, I'm saying it the contestants on Making the Band are not educated. :tape:
Does that mean they didn't graduate from high school or what??

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Does that mean they didn't graduate from high school or what??
Well considering that people graduate high school that can't read all the time...no it doesn't mean they didn't graduate high school...It just means they didn't pay attention in school. :unsure:

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2004, 11:23 PM
Well considering that people graduate high school that can't read all the time...no it doesn't mean they didn't graduate high school...It just means they didn't pay attention in school. :unsure:Lol, but if they were educated, would the show have really been different??

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Lol, but if they were educated, would the show have really been different??LOL, ah Yeah! :D

It wouldn't have been as entertaining. :tape:

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2004, 11:31 PM
LOL, ah Yeah! :D
Really, how so??

Bezz
Sep 26th, 2004, 11:51 PM
I agree that its hard to try and find the "average" black person (or Asian) to go into reality TV shows, cos like many of yu have said, the producers are looking for the crazy people that will cause trouble or make things more interesting. The problem for black and any other minority in the western world is that becuase they are a minority there are only gonna be 1 or 2 per program, cos yu have to account for the majority (which is white) in the west. On the shows yu do get the white people which the public hate, but becuase there are 8 or 9 other white people to get to like then it doesnt seem as if a person is being singled out.

In the UK last year we got to watch Africa BB, and this showed it from the other side, there was only 2 white people (i think, cud have been 3)) in the house (one from namibia and the other S. Africa) and they had 10 black people. So in a way this showed 10 differnt black personalites (the quiet intelligent ones, the annoying loud ones, the funny ones) and only 2 white personalities, and no doubt ppl in Africa were making generalisations based only on 2 representatives of "African Whites".

The problem then is trying to have the ethnic minority in the program but also trying to have a fair representation of them. In the Uk in all the series of BB we have had at least either 1 black or asian person, and they have had very differnt personalities, some like Victor (black) (who was just an arrogant, cocky twat, who thought he ruled the house) was disliked alot on the outside, yet yu had alison (black) and Gos (asian) who were seen as funny and people liked them alot more.

So for some kind of contrast yu wud need to have 10 white people and 10 black people (or asian etc), only then are yu gonna have a somewhat accurate reflection of the different walks of life in each community.

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2004, 12:06 AM
Really, how so??well lets see we wouldn't have seen verbs decimated on a regular basis....Um, they would've have a better sense of history and their place in it. That affects your behavior. Then there was that whole meltdown over receiving their checks...:lol:

Don't get me wrong...I liked the show. I liked the drama but I would've never classified that bunch of arguing people as educated.

sabandborg
Sep 27th, 2004, 12:17 AM
no race of people should look to reality tv stars as some type of representation of who they are.

absolutely!

people who think they know entire races of people after watching these shows are nutso. or looking to confirm preconceived notions that bring them comfort.